🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: sci.physics
Article #8572

Re: Hammond's Law of Auxology

#8572
From: George Hammond
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 04:36
91 lines
4221 bytes
Dave Knorr wrote:

& I agree with others who have posted on this discussion that Hammond's
& assertions are confusing at best. 

GH:  So is Einstein's Theory to people who properly belong
     in the skilled trades.



& In trying to understand the importance he
& attaches to the "auxology", which I translate to mean "an organism can
grow
& no larger than it can", he provides some incite [sic, insight]
& in his reply to me:
& 

GH:
  "an organism can grow no larger than it can"
Yes... that is a correct statement of the relation of the
phenotype to the genotype.  It accounts for all sigmoidal
curves of growth.



& <start GH quote&
& As far as the question of "how does this Law prove God
& exists"... that is a SEPARATE ISSUE, properly discussed on
& a philosophy or Theology newsgroup.  But, parenthetically,
& let me explain that it is not complicated.  To wit, if
& there is a growth curve deficit as I have argued, then it
& obviously must exist for every organ in the body including
& the human BRAIN.  Obviously according to this 15 or 20%
& of the human brain is actually only "PARTIALLY GROWN" in
& the average human being.  The theory argues (and proves BTW)
& that the average human being only sees "80% of reality"
& because of this, and, not incredibly, refers to the other
& 20$ as "God".  See my website for further details.
& </end GH quote&
& 
& I have a problem with the notion that an organism with a stunted body also
& has stunted brain size 


GH:  This is a proven fact, not an argument. Beyond that
     it's it's intui9tively obvious to even an
     uneducated observer, where it's known as 
     "uniform first order allometry".

&(_not the same as brain development_) and is somehow
& less-able to view reality than another organism.

GH:  This is also a proven fact (e.g. mental Retardation)
     and not an argument.

&  There's too many
& assumptions being made.




GH:
  Those who are ignorant of the facts like to call them
assumptions. 
 I appreciate your problems, but they are only the usual
mundane problems of education. 




&  Also, it's unclear how a plant with smaller leaves
& is different than its genetically identical twin with slightly larger
& leaves. 

GH:
It's called a "growth curve deficit"



& Dave Knorr

GH:  Happy Newyear to you too.


-- 
BE SURE TO VISIT MY WEBSITE, BELOW:
-----------------------------------------------------------
George Hammond, M.S. Physics
Email:    ghammond@mediaone.net
Website:  http://people.ne.mediaone.net/ghammond/index.html
-----------------------------------------------------------
Technical Details
Message-ID: <3A442BDC.5F0825EB@mediaone.net>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!europa.netcrusader.net!207.114.4.11!nntp.abs.net!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
References: <3A3AD2D8.89D52207@mediaone.net> <3A3C3027.68CE18C3@mediaone.net> <wxae9to5yg.fsf@suburbia.net> <3A407870.D1D9055D@mediaone.net> <2000Dec20.223831.3308@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu> <3A41EF2D.713A6E54@mediaone.net> <3a43b088.153677@news.compuserve.com> <G5zps2.Et2.0.loki@lynxgen.com>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit
X-Google-Thread: 115fe3,dffda494dadcf226
X-Google-Attributes: gid115fe3,public
X-Google-Thread: 1119a6,dffda494dadcf226
X-Google-Attributes: gid1119a6,public
X-Google-Thread: f803e,dffda494dadcf226
X-Google-Attributes: gidf803e,public
X-Google-Thread: 10b271,c72698f744b2dd5
X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,public
X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2000-12-22 20:36:19 PST
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!europa.netcrusader.net!207.114.4.11!nntp.abs.net!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
Message-ID: <3A442BDC.5F0825EB@mediaone.net>
From: George Hammond <ghammond@mediaone.net>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: sci.physics,bionet.general,bionet.info-theory,bionet.plants
Subject: Re: Hammond's Law of Auxology
References: <3A3AD2D8.89D52207@mediaone.net> <3A3C3027.68CE18C3@mediaone.net> <wxae9to5yg.fsf@suburbia.net> <3A407870.D1D9055D@mediaone.net> <2000Dec20.223831.3308@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu> <3A41EF2D.713A6E54@mediaone.net> <3a43b088.153677@news.compuserve.com> <G5zps2.Et2.0.loki@lynxgen.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Lines: 91
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 04:36:13 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.30.152.33
X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net
X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 977546173 66.30.152.33 (Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:36:13 EST)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:36:13 EST
Organization: Road Runner