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Article #1090Re: Yes, Virginia, there's no superluminal communication
From: paul
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:05
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:05
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In article <2694@dove.nist.gov>, gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan) writes: > > What makes people uncomfortable about the wavefunction collapse is the > same thing that made people uncomfortable about electricity and gravity > before the advent of quantum field theory. They don't like the idea of > action at a distance. The principal objection Newton had to address with > his theory that gravity was responsible for the orbits of heavenly bodies > was that no one liked to think that one body could influence another > when there was no physical connection between the two. Field theory in the form of Maxwell's equations and general relativity both predate quantum field theory and resolve the problem of nonlocal effects quite nicely by *eliminating* them. This is not to imply that I have any objections to quantum field theory, but it was not needed to deal with these issues. > ... However, we still get > uncomfortable with the idea of action at a distance in > quantum-mechanical measurement. This is because this is the only place where non local effects remain. These effect don't make me uncomfortable. I just see no reason to believe they exist. > There's another, related, problem: Schrodinger's cat. Put a cat in a > box with an ``infernal machine.'' The machine contains a single atom > of a radioactive isotope and a detector that can detect this decay. > When the detector fires, the machine breaks a vial of cyanide gas, > which kills the cat. > > The paradox is, when exactly one half-life has passed, the cat's > wavefunction is 50% alive and 50% dead. If I look into the box > (perform a measurement) and find the cat dead, did I kill it by > looking (collapsing the wave function)? If I wait until the > probability that the nucleus has decayed is 99.9999% and look in the > box, if the cat is miraculously still alive, have I brought it back > from the dead? These conclusions violate our common sense about > things and it makes people uncomfortable to feel that belief in > quantum mechanics would require them to say that looking can kill (or > revive) the cat. I doubt if a majority of physicists believe that quantum collapse is caused by making an observation. This is part of the interpretation or metaphysics of quantum mechanics rather than part of physics. Of course if quantum collapse has an objective cause, as I think most likely then it will eventually become part of physics. What does make be uncomfortable is talking about and even teaching metaphysical speculation as if it were established scientific fact. I challenge you or any readers of `sci.physics' to come up with any scientific basis for preferring the Cosmic Accountant (standard interpretation) theory of quantum collapse to the local mechanistic version. Cosmic Accountant theory Local mechanistic theory (Standard interpretation) ____________________________________________________________________________ Quantum collapse is instantaneous. Quantum collapse has an unknown local Lorentz invariant structure. Quantum collapse is caused by a Quantum collapse has an objective sentient being making an unknown cause and can be forced to experimental observation. happen by experimental conditions. There is no mechanism to reconcile There is an unknown local mechanistic quantum uncertainty with exact process that explains both quantum conservation laws. It is as if a uncertainty and exact conservation metaphysical Cosmic Accountant is laws. This process is nonlinear and continually balancing the books. probably chaotic. Randomness in quantum mechanics is This nonliner process produces fundamental. No more complete model (probably because of its chaotic is possible. nature) the apparent randomness of quantum mechanics. Quantum collapse may be a completely deterministic process. Paul Budnik
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!mtnmath!paul From: paul@mtnmath.UUCP (paul) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Yes, Virginia, there's no superluminal communication Summary: No, Virgina, there's no scientific basis for a Cosmic Accountant Message-ID: <220@mtnmath.UUCP> Date: 11 Apr 92 18:05:11 GMT References: <217@mtnmath.UUCP> <ktv2arINNqjp@network.ucsd.edu> <2694@dove.nist.gov> Organization: Mountain Math Software, P. O. Box 2124, Saratoga. CA 95070 Lines: 78