Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like warnings of medieval Inquisition about the trip to the edge of w...

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Author: janpajak
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:57

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Although it can shock us enormously, so-called "laws" which according
to present science supposedly rule energy, are equally absurd like
warnings of monks from early medieval times about the travelling to
the edge of world and falling down from a cliff there directly to the
"hell". After all, these laws were formulated before the science was
able to earn the knowledge as to what actually this "energy" is. On
the other hand, without knowing what energy actually is, the science
had no either logical basis, nor required data, to discover the true
laws that rule over energy. In turn erroneous assumption of scientists
that the "laws", which the science formulated much earlier, still are
supposedly correct, make it impossible for the science to determine
what really "energy" is, and what laws really rule over this energy.
In the result, in matters of energy the official human science pushed
itself into the situation of a "dog that tries to bite its own tail",
means in a kind of "vicious-cycle" which has no end. In this post, as
well as in item #I1 of the totaliztic web page named
"telekinetics.htm", I am going to justify the above finding.

A problem with medieval monks that provided e.g. staff for
Inquisition, boiled down to issuing judgements and warning exclusively
on the basis of their own imagination, instead on the basis of
confirmed facts. For example, these monks had no even a slightest idea
about the shape of Earth. However, they still issued definitive and
authoritative judgements about trips to the edge of world. While not
knowing the definition of the Earth which would, amongst others,
inform about the true shape of our planet, these monks imagined that
the world is flat like a pancake, while at edges it finishes with a
cliff that leads straight to the "hell". So according to their claims,
everyone who in medieval times would attempt to sail e.g. to present
New Zealand or to Australia, at some stage of the trip would fall down
from the edge of Earth and would land in the "hell". So in order to
save such impudent travellers from the "hell", monks just in case
burned them on stake immediately after they expressed the wish to go
sailing for such a distant trip. However, the most shocking is that
this strange medieval behaviour is copied exactly by present "modern"
scientists in all matters relating to energy.

Let us consider how and why the claims of present human science about
energy, copy exactly the behaviour of these medieval monks. Well, in
spite that scientists still have NOT earned a definition that would
explain what actually this "energy" is and how energy works, the
science insisted long ago on the formulation of "laws", such as the
"principle of energy conservation", or so-called "laws of
thermodynamics". Thus, the only thing on which these "laws" were
based, were believes and views - very similar to these ones which
people from the early medieval times had about the shape of Earth.
After all, without knowing the definition of energy that would explain
exactly what this "energy" really is, the official science does NOT
have any rational basis for the formulation of "laws" which would
describe behaviours of that energy. This is because claiming how the
energy behaves, when actually we do NOT know what this energy is,
actually copies such medieval opinions of monks about what happens
when someone goes into a trip to edges of world - announced in the
situation when in fact no-one had a slightest idea what shape this
world really takes.

In order to illustrate here how absurd are opinions of present science
about attributes and behaviours of energy, let us consider an example
of the definition of energy which the official science provides today.
Although depending on the textbook which one uses, these definitions
may utilise slightly different wordings, basically all of them are
going to state something along the lines that "energy is an ability to
complete work". In other words, present scientific definition of
energy is a copy of medieval definition of the planet Earth, which
stated something along lines that "the Earth is a place where godly
creatures can live". Means none of these definitions teaches us about
the attributes and work of whatever it describes. For example, in case
of energy, the present official scientific definition still does NOT
explain characteristics of energy nor allows to deduce how energy
works. In turn, in case of the planet Earth, the medieval definition
does NOT explain anything about the shape of Earth nor allows to
deduce how one can travel safely across the Earth. Furthermore, none
of these definitions allows to deduce anything about "laws" that rule
over whatever is defined.

Of course, scientists can also attempt to define energy on the basis
of "laws" which supposedly rule over the behaviour of it. For example,
from the content of the "conservation of energy principle" it would
appear that "energy" is a kind of "indestructible substance or
liquid", and thus it fulfils the "law of balance" called the
"principle of energy conservation". But the formulation of definition
on the basis of "laws" which were formulated without having these
definition, is logically wrong. It resembles the attempt to "lift
ourselves by pulling our own hair". In other words, both the
understanding of energy as an "indestructible liquid", and also the
"principle of energy conservation" announced to supposedly be obeyed
by this "indestructible liquid", are just a big nonsense. For me
personally it is difficult to understand why rationally thinking
scientists treat both these as sure truths. After all, these both
represent just speculations and empty words which are based just on
themselves - means on the same speculations and empty words, while
they are NOT based on the reality that surrounds us.

The nonsense of scientific "laws" related to energy, and formulated in
the situation when the science does NOT know the correct definition
which would explain what this "energy" actually is, is well
illustrated by the definition of energy formulated by the "theory of
everything" called the Concept of Dipolar Gravity (described
comprehensively on the totaliztic web page named
"dipolar_gravity.htm"). (Notice that so-far the Concept of Dipolar
Gravity is NOT recognised by the official human science.) This
definition states that "energy is a kind of most elementary natural
program that resides in the counter-matter and that describes the
behaviour of matter in every situation to which this matter can be
subjected". The more comprehensive description of this definition is
contained in publications which explain the Concept of Dipolar Gravity
- for example in item #E2 from the totaliztic web page
"dipolar_gravity.htm" - about the Concept of Dipolar Gravity, or from
subsections H4.1 (see "C1" in there) and H9.2 in volume 4 of monograph
[1/5] (to download it free of charge visit the totaliztic web page
named "text_1_5.htm"). The difference between the definitions to-date
disseminated by the official science, and the above definition of
energy formulated by the Concept of Dipolar Gravity (which is still
ignored by the official human science), is enormous. After all, the
Concept of Dipolar Gravity explains to us exactly what actually this
energy is. In this way the Concept of Dipolar Gravity provides us with
scientific foundations for rational deducing attributes and behaviours
of energy. As it turns out, energy actually is a "natural program" and
thus it displays all attributes of a "program" - not attributes of an
"indestructible substance or liquid" that so-far were given to it by
"laws of science".

Of course, differences between behaviours of a "natural program", and
behaviours of an "indestructible substance or liquid", are huge. For
example, into a program can be imprinted an algorithm of such a
behaviour that the "principle of energy conservation" is fulfilled in
the majority of cases. But due to the complexity of this program,
which must correspond to already learned algorithms of complex
behaviours of energy, it will inevitably have both, some intentionally
introduced sections, as well as algorithmic paradoxes, which are going
to allow that this "principle of energy conservation" in special
circumstances is going to be replaced by a completely different
principle - sometimes even by an exactly opposite one. In turn this
hypothetic "indestructible substance or liquid"  that results from
"laws of science" to-date, always must fulfil the "principle of energy
conservation". In other words, because of defining "laws" that rule
over energy, before the "energy" itself was defined, the official
human science put itself into a kind of misleading "vicious-cycle".
This vicious-cycle closes the science from the capability to notice
and to seek non-typical capabilities which true attributes and true
behaviours of energy offer to people.

Trapped inside of the "vicious-cycle" which it created for itself, the
present official human science refuses to consider a whole range of
capabilities of energy generation which are created by the true
attributes and true behaviours of energy. Examples of such
capabilities include the construction of devices that have over 100%
energy efficiency, and also the construction of devices presently
called the "generators of free energy", while in past simply named
"perpetual motion". In spite that working prototypes of these devices
were already constructed and tested on the Earth, and in spite that
these prototypes actually do work - as this is described on the
totaliztic web page "free_energy.htm" - about telekinetic generators
of free energy, the official human science trapped inside of a
"vicious-cycle" that it created for itself, stubbornly refuses to
recognise the existence of these devices and these capabilities. What
is even more interesting, the present science takes such a definite
stand in spite that everything it states about "energy" in fact is
"sucked from a finer" (or taken from a ceiling) and does NOT finds
confirmation in the existing reality. It is shocking that these claims
of "modern" scientists regarding energy copy so closely statements of
medieval monks about the shape of Earth. This is even more painful,
because similarly as medieval monks utilised tortures to impose their
views on the rest of society, also present official human science
utilises modern versions of medieval tortures in order to also impose
their wrong views onto the entire human civilisation. Only that
instead of "burning on stake", present science uses e.g. blocking from
access to employment and from source of income, public accusations,
calling names, scoffing, throwing mud, etc., etc. (For examples of
"tools of torture" used by modern science and scientists - see fates
of inventions discussed on the web page "mozajski_uk.htm" - about fate
of inventors of first airplanes, or see examples of reactions of
scientists to major inventions and discoveries summarised in
subsection JB7.3 from volume 7 of monograph [1/4]. (Monograph [1/4]
can be download free of charge from the totaliztic web page named
"xext_1_4.htm".)

Let us summarise here the main point that the above findings try to
make. Namely, the appropriate use of "natural programs", which
presently we call "energy", promises an easy access of humanity to
unlimited resources of free energy. The exploitation of this free
energy would NOT cause any damage to the natural environment. All that
people need to do to harvest these unlimited energy resources is to
initiate a mass industrial production of so-called "free energy
devices" which have over 100% energy efficiency, and which work
similarly as the so-called "perpetual motion" devices described in
past. There are already working prototypes of such "free energy
devices" - described on the totaliztic web page "free_energy.htm".
Furthermore, theoretical findings of the "theory of everything" called
the Concept of Dipolar Gravity (described on the web page
"dipolar_gravity.htm") prove that these free energy devices truly can
be build. Unfortunately, the humanity has a "philosophical problem"
with undertaking the building and industrial production of devices
which accomplish over 100% energy efficiency, and thus which in past
used to be called "perpetual motion". (For more details regarding
present philosophies of people see the totaliztic web pages named
"totalizm.htm" and "parasitism.htm".) Namely, as this is explained
above, the official human science placed itself into the situation of
as a "dog which tries to bite its own tail". This is because it
postulated "laws" which supposedly rule over energy, while the science
still does NOT know what this energy really is. Furthermore, presently
the science uses these baseless (supposed) "laws" to define attributes
of energy and behaviours of energy. In this way the science closes the
circulation of empty speculations putting itself into a "vicious-
cycle" which disallows it to learn what energy truly is. This "vicious-
cycle" stops the science from attempts to develop correct "laws" that
would described the true behaviour of energy. In addition to the
above, present science is atheistic. This in turn places in front of
its adepts an additional "philosophical obstacle" which in the real
universe does NOT exist nor work. Namely, the atheism makes impossible
for scientists to understand, that the universe created by God (see
the totaliztic web page named "god_proof.htm"), was intentionally
designed so intelligently, that "everything that can be invented can
also be completed" - as more comprehensively it is explained in item
#I2 of the web page "telekinetics.htm".

The explanations presented above are adopted from item #I1 of the
totaliztic web page "telekinetics.htm", update of 12 July 2008, or
later. The latest update of this web page should be available from all
web sites of totalizm (if these sites were NOT sabotaged lately), e.g.
from web sites:
http://ufonauci.w.interia.pl/telekinetics.htm

(Normally I would provide here a list of addresses to web sites of
totalizm containing the web page "telekinetics.htm". Unfortunately,
starting from May 2008, someone managed to sabotage my Google profile
in such a manner that now I am unable to provide any link to web pages
of totalizm on my threads. Therefore, these readers who wish to review
the web page "telekinetics.htm" and see further descriptions of the
Oscillatory Chamber or other technical solutions for the problem of
deficiency of fossil fuels on the Earth, should type the key words
"Jan Pajak free_energy.htm", "Jan Pajak telekinetics.htm", or "Jan
Pajak dipolar_gravity.htm" (but without quotes) to the www.google.com
search engine, and then visit any address of the totaliztic web pages
that this search engine is to provide. In turn from menus of every
totaliztic web page there are links to every other web page of
totalizm, including all web pages indicated in this post. So it is
enough to find one of web pages the names of which are listed in these
post, and then from it every other my web page can be visited.)

Please notice that links to the web page "telekinetics.htm" can also
be found on blogs of totalizm which are accessible through the
following addresses:
http://totalizm.wordpress.com
http://www.getablog.net/totalizm
http://totalizm.blox.pl/html
http://totalizm.myblog.net

With the totaliztic salute,
Jan Pajak

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like warnings of medieval Inquisition about the trip to the edge ...

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Author: Uncle Al
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:44

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janpajak@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Although it can shock us enormously, so-called "laws" which according
> to present science supposedly rule energy, are equally absurd 
[snip crap]

Violate one, then get back to us.

   1) Time is homogeneous.
   2) Noether's theorems.
   3) Energy is locally conserved.
   4) Idiot.
   5) Second law of thermodynamics.
   6) Large Number theorem.
   7) All real world systems are dissipative.
   8) Idiot.
   9) Idiot.
  10) Idiot.

-- 
Uncle Al 
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ 
 (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) 
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like warnings of medieval Inquisition about the trip to the edge ...

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Author: john
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:14

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On Jul 12, 6:44 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
> janpa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Although it can shock us enormously, so-called "laws" which according
> > to present science supposedly rule energy, are equally absurd
>
> [snip crap]
>
> Violate one, then get back to us.
>
>    1) Time is homogeneous.
>    2) Noether's theorems.
>    3) Energy is locally conserved.
>    4) Idiot.
>    5) Second law of thermodynamics.
>    6) Large Number theorem.
>    7) All real world systems are dissipative.
>    8) Idiot.
>    9) Idiot.
>   10) Idiot.
>
> --
> Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
>  (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2

Al, dare I say that your top
end is as closed as your bottom
end is open?
John

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like warnings of medieval Inquisition about the trip to the edge ...

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Author: Bob Eld
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:21

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<janpajak@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0c863c7e-a3a6-4a0f-baa3-ea581841efc6@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Although it can shock us enormously, so-called "laws" which according
> to present science supposedly rule energy, are equally absurd like
> warnings of monks from early medieval times about the travelling to
> the edge of world and falling down from a cliff there directly to the
> "hell".
snip the crap

Total unmitigated bull shit. Clearly you have no clue what energy is nor
have you any idea about the related science and its underpinnings. So,
without a basis in knowledge, why do you postulate such ridiculous nonsense.
Me thinks your time would be better spent learning a few things first,
before engaging in such a pointless mental masturbation.

Now, go back to the more normal form of masturbation, you'll enjoy it more
and spare us the idiocy.

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like warnings of medieval Inquisition about the trip to the edge ...

#7854

Author: janpajak
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:13

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On Jul 13, 3:21 pm, "Bob Eld" <nsmontas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
...
> Total unmitigated bull shit. Clearly you have no clue what energy is nor
> have you any idea about the related science and its underpinnings. So,
> without a basis in knowledge, why do you postulate such ridiculous nonsense.
> Me thinks your time would be better spent learning a few things first,
> before engaging in such a pointless mental masturbation.
>
> Now, go back to the more normal form of masturbation, you'll enjoy it more
> and spare us the idiocy.

Well, so these are all arguments that you are able to present in
support of orthodox understanding of "energy" - for which many present
scientists are taking such huge salaries?

No wonder that we have energy crisis, when the present understanding
of "energy" is supported by people who can squize from their brains
only such "products of human intellects" ast these stated above.

With the totaliztic salute,
Jan Pajak

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like warnings of medieval Inquisition about the trip to the edge ...

#7855

Author: Paul Ciszek
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:30

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In article <a0186e22-728a-4892-8195-bf55754de1aa@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
 <janpajak@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Well, so these are all arguments that you are able to present in
>support of orthodox understanding of "energy" - for which many present
>scientists are taking such huge salaries?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Oh, my.  If there was any doubt that you know nothing
at all about science, you just proved it unequivocally.

-- 
Please reply to:            | President Bush is promoting Peace and Democracy
pciszek at panix dot com    | in the Middle East by selling Weapons to the
Autoreply is disabled       | King of Saudi Arabia.

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like warnings of medieval Inquisition about the trip to the edge ...

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Author: DB
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:24

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janpajak@gmail.com wrote:
> Although it can shock us enormously, so-called "laws"...

Boring....
<why read more?>

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like warnings of medieval Inquisition about the trip to the edge ...

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Author: DB
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:28

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Uncle Al wrote:
> janpajak@gmail.com wrote:
>> Although it can shock us enormously, so-called "laws" which according
>> to present science supposedly rule energy, are equally absurd 
> [snip crap]
> 
> Violate one, then get back to us.
> 
>    1) Time is homogeneous.
>    2) Noether's theorems.
>    3) Energy is locally conserved.
>    4) Idiot.
>    5) Second law of thermodynamics.
>    6) Large Number theorem.
>    7) All real world systems are dissipative.
>    8) Idiot.
>    9) Idiot.
>   10) Idiot.
> 

8 and 10 are most relevant. 4 is important too.....

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like warnings of medieval Inquisition about the trip to the edge ...

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Author: DB
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:30

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Bob Eld wrote:
> <janpajak@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0c863c7e-a3a6-4a0f-baa3-ea581841efc6@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

...

> Total unmitigated bull shit.

Well, Duh!

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like warnings of medieval Inquisition about the trip to the edge ...

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Author: DB
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:38

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janpajak@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Well, so these are all arguments that you are able to present in
> support of orthodox understanding of "energy"...

Now it is 'orthodox'. You are so special....

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like warnings of medieval Inquisition about the trip to the edge ...

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Author: Sylvia Else
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:48

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janpajak@gmail.com wrote:
> Although it can shock us enormously, so-called "laws" which according
> to present science supposedly rule energy, are equally absurd like
> warnings of monks from early medieval times about the travelling to
> the edge of world and falling down from a cliff there directly to the
> "hell". After all, these laws were formulated before the science was
> able to earn the knowledge as to what actually this "energy" is. 

Science still does not know. Science never will know. The concept of 
"energy" is simply a term that appears in equations that describe the 
results of measuring the behaviour of physical systems.

> On
> the other hand, without knowing what energy actually is, the science
> had no either logical basis, nor required data, to discover the true
> laws that rule over energy. In turn erroneous assumption of scientists
> that the "laws", which the science formulated much earlier, still are
> supposedly correct, make it impossible for the science to determine
> what really "energy" is, and what laws really rule over this energy.

The law of conservation of energy is named a 'law' rather than a theory 
because it has no theoretical underpinning. It is simply an apparent 
rule that has been observed. Of course, it had to be modified by the 
realisation that the mass and energy terms in theories could be 
interchanged. The law is now known as the law of conservation of 
mass-energy.

> Furthermore, theoretical findings of the "theory of everything" called
> the Concept of Dipolar Gravity (described on the web page
> "dipolar_gravity.htm") prove that these free energy devices truly can
> be build.

A theory cannot prove that. Rather, the construction of a free energy 
device would invalidate theories that indicate that such a device is 
impossible, and tend to support theories that allow their existence.

We're stuck with the inconvenient fact that despite the multiple claims 
for free energy devices, none is yet available for purchase in the shops.

Sylvia.

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Author: Mauried
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:57

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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:48:52 +1000, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

>janpajak@gmail.com wrote:
>> Although it can shock us enormously, so-called "laws" which according
>> to present science supposedly rule energy, are equally absurd like
>> warnings of monks from early medieval times about the travelling to
>> the edge of world and falling down from a cliff there directly to the
>> "hell". After all, these laws were formulated before the science was
>> able to earn the knowledge as to what actually this "energy" is. 
>
>Science still does not know. Science never will know. The concept of 
>"energy" is simply a term that appears in equations that describe the 
>results of measuring the behaviour of physical systems.
>
>> On
>> the other hand, without knowing what energy actually is, the science
>> had no either logical basis, nor required data, to discover the true
>> laws that rule over energy. In turn erroneous assumption of scientists
>> that the "laws", which the science formulated much earlier, still are
>> supposedly correct, make it impossible for the science to determine
>> what really "energy" is, and what laws really rule over this energy.
>
>The law of conservation of energy is named a 'law' rather than a theory 
>because it has no theoretical underpinning. It is simply an apparent 
>rule that has been observed. Of course, it had to be modified by the 
>realisation that the mass and energy terms in theories could be 
>interchanged. The law is now known as the law of conservation of 
>mass-energy.
>
>> Furthermore, theoretical findings of the "theory of everything" called
>> the Concept of Dipolar Gravity (described on the web page
>> "dipolar_gravity.htm") prove that these free energy devices truly can
>> be build.
>
>A theory cannot prove that. Rather, the construction of a free energy 
>device would invalidate theories that indicate that such a device is 
>impossible, and tend to support theories that allow their existence.
>
>We're stuck with the inconvenient fact that despite the multiple claims 
>for free energy devices, none is yet available for purchase in the shops.
>
>Sylvia.

If free energy devices can be built, then the universe will melt,
unless someone also invents a energy consumption device 
that takes energy and produces nothing.
So far, Ive not seen any claims for such a device.

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like warnings of medieval Inquisition about the trip to the edge ...

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Author: DB
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:10

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Sylvia Else wrote:
> janpajak@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Furthermore, theoretical findings of the "theory of everything" called
>> the Concept of Dipolar Gravity (described on the web page
>> "dipolar_gravity.htm") prove that these free energy devices truly can
>> be build.
> 
> A theory cannot prove that. Rather, the construction of a free energy 
> device would invalidate theories that indicate that such a device is 
> impossible, and tend to support theories that allow their existence.

Yes. It is a prevalent misunderstanding that one can conjure up numbers 
that tell mother nature what she should be.
> 
> We're stuck with the inconvenient fact that despite the multiple claims 
> for free energy devices, none is yet available for purchase in the shops.

More so, the device is simple and could be presented to any university 
physics lab for a quick look. If there were anything to it, all hell 
would break loose.

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like

#7832

Author: V for Vendicar
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:50

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<janpajak@gmail.com> wrote
> Although it can shock us enormously, so-called "laws" which according
> to present science supposedly rule energy, are equally absurd like
> warnings of monks from early medieval times about the travelling to
> the edge of world and falling down from a cliff there directly to the
> "hell". After all, these laws were formulated before the science was
> able to earn the knowledge as to what actually this "energy" is.

 Such astonishing Stupidity.  He should immediatly immigrate to AmeriKKKa 
and become a RepubliKKKunt.

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like

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Author: V for Vendicar
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:56

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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote
>   1) Time is homogeneous.
>   2) Noether's theorems.
>   3) Energy is locally conserved.
>   4) Idiot.
>   5) Second law of thermodynamics.
>   6) Large Number theorem.
>   7) All real world systems are dissipative.
>   8) Idiot.
>   9) Idiot.
>  10) Idiot.

None of which are physical laws, or at least not laws that are precisely 
stated.  Norther's theorems for example are simply mathematical in nature, 
relating to mathematical symmetry and the existance of constants in 
mathematical systems that can be characterized by a Lagrangian or 
Hamiltonian mechanics.  Similarly the large number theorem is strictly 
mathematical in nature.

The Idiot entries are however, exactly precise.

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like

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Author: V for Vendicar
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<janpajak@gmail.com> wrote
> No wonder that we have energy crisis, when the present understanding
> of "energy" is supported by people who can squize from their brains
> only such "products of human intellects" ast these stated above.

  Some people like JanPajak think that if they whine hard enough, the 
universe will hear them.

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Author: V for Vendicar
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"Mauried" <mauried@tpg.com.au> wrote
> If free energy devices can be built, then the universe will melt,
> unless someone also invents a energy consumption device
> that takes energy and produces nothing.

  Well there is the RepubliKKKunt party for that.

  Endlessly destructive.  RepubliKKKunt ideology is anti-progress.

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like

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Author: V for Vendicar
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:01

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"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote
> Science still does not know. Science never will know. The concept of 
> "energy" is simply a term that appears in equations that describe the 
> results of measuring the behaviour of physical systems.

  True.

  Do  you think you have a point?

  If so... What is it?

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like

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Author: DB
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:04

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V for Vendicar wrote:
> "Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote
>>   1) Time is homogeneous.
>>   2) Noether's theorems.
>>   3) Energy is locally conserved.
>>   4) Idiot.
>>   5) Second law of thermodynamics.
>>   6) Large Number theorem.
>>   7) All real world systems are dissipative.
>>   8) Idiot.
>>   9) Idiot.
>>  10) Idiot.
> 
> None of which are physical laws...

Oh yea, sure! 4 and 10 uno....

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like

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Author: DB
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:07

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V for Vendicar wrote:
> <janpajak@gmail.com> wrote
>> No wonder that we have energy crisis, when the present understanding
>> of "energy" is supported by people who can squize from their brains
>> only such "products of human intellects" ast these stated above.
> 
>   Some people like JanPajak think that if they whine hard enough, the 
> universe will hear them.

Did you get that from me? I do remember your whining about how the gray 
of quantum, energy, should work. Uno?

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like

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Author: Sylvia Else
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:10

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V for Vendicar wrote:
> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote
>> Science still does not know. Science never will know. The concept of 
>> "energy" is simply a term that appears in equations that describe the 
>> results of measuring the behaviour of physical systems.
> 
>   True.
> 
>   Do  you think you have a point?
> 
>   If so... What is it?
> 
> 

That it is unreasaonable to take a term that appears in physical 
theories, assume, without any proof at all, that there is someing in the 
real world that corresponds to it, and then complain because physical 
theory does not say what that assumed thing is.

Sylvia

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like

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Author: DB
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:10

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V for Vendicar wrote:
> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote
>> Science still does not know. Science never will know. The concept of 
>> "energy" is simply a term that appears in equations that describe the 
>> results of measuring the behaviour of physical systems.
> 
>   True.
> 
>   Do  you think you have a point?

Sylvia makes better point than all the rest, including me.

>   If so... What is it?

So V. So full of yourself.....

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like

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Author: DB
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:19

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Sylvia Else wrote:
> V for Vendicar wrote:
>> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote
>>> Science still does not know. Science never will know. The concept of 
>>> "energy" is simply a term that appears in equations that describe the 
>>> results of measuring the behaviour of physical systems.
>>
>>   True.
>>
>>   Do  you think you have a point?
>>
>>   If so... What is it?
>>
>>
> 
> That it is unreasaonable to take a term that appears in physical 
> theories, assume, without any proof at all, that there is someing in the 
> real world that corresponds to it, and then complain because physical 
> theory does not say what that assumed thing is.

Careful here, getting philosophical and all. First rule, never use the 
term, 'proof'. You leave yourself wide open for the cleverness that V 
thinks he possesses. Other than that, he is simply baiting you....

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like

#7842

Author: V for Vendicar
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:18

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"DB" <abc@some.net> wrote
> I do remember your whining about how the gray of quantum, energy, should 
> work. Uno?

  I have never heard the phrase "gray of quantum energy" used before, and 
don't care to hear it again.

  Perhaps you should clarify.

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like

#7843

Author: V for Vendicar
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:22

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"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote
> That it is unreasaonable to take a term that appears in physical theories, 
> assume, without any proof at all, that there is someing in the real world 
> that corresponds to it, and then complain because physical theory does not 
> say what that assumed thing is.

  I sympathize.  Can you prove to us that the 1 in 1 apple corresponds to 
the mathematical concept of 1 precisely.

  Or do you just assume that 1 apple + 1 apple = 2 apples without proof?

  You <almost> have a point to make.  But you haven't realized what it is 
yet.

  Continue in this thread and you will learn something interesting.

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like

#7844

Author: V for Vendicar
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:23

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"DB" <abc@some.net> wrote
> So V. So full of yourself.....

  Who else could I be full of?

   Should the time come, I plan to be full of cooked RepubliKKKan.

   How about you?

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like

#7845

Author: V for Vendicar
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:45

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"DB" <abc@some.net> wrote
> Careful here, getting philosophical and all. First rule, never use the 
> term, 'proof'. You leave yourself wide open for the cleverness that V 
> thinks he possesses. Other than that, he is simply baiting you....

Well, she did make that mistake, but if she thinks a little bit she might 
actually learn something.

You too if you manage to pay attention long enough.

Re: Present "scientific laws" that supposedly rule energy, are like

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Author: Sylvia Else
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:03

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V for Vendicar wrote:
> "Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote
>> That it is unreasaonable to take a term that appears in physical theories, 
>> assume, without any proof at all, that there is someing in the real world 
>> that corresponds to it, and then complain because physical theory does not 
>> say what that assumed thing is.
> 
>   I sympathize.  Can you prove to us that the 1 in 1 apple corresponds to 
> the mathematical concept of 1 precisely.

That would be problematic in the absence of a mathematical definition of 
what the 1 in 1 apple means.

> 
>   Or do you just assume that 1 apple + 1 apple = 2 apples without proof?

Ditto for a definition of the 2 in 2 apples.

Sylvia.

🚀 go-pugleaf

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