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In article <EGH7vJ.4Aw.0.sheppard@torfree.net>, ad613@torfree.net says...
>
>This is for the few of you that believe that the current board is not 
>doing what it should, or what it takes to REALLY save the TFN. It is also 
>for those who believe that the TFN will come out intact from it is 
>current crisis (which I believe is denial) through (in my terms in spite 
>of) current board actions (in my terms inaction).

>I would appreciate that someone else be actually responsible for such a 
>fund. Please show your support by following up to this thread stating the 
>amount of money you pledge to such an effort. You will be contacted to 
>provide other data (telephone number, address, etc.) so as we can be 
>prepared whenever is it the time when we shall wake up and the TFN is gone.
>-- 

Ahh, you summed it up in your very first sentance, Nabster. "This is for the 
FEW of you..."

Always the minority causing trouble and rucus for the majority. 

Out of curiosity, Nabil, how much are you contributing to this fund? 

Note: You, as a former director, are liable for 2 years after the termination 
of your tenure, whether it was a voluntary termination or not. Interesting that 
you are proposing to sue yourself...

-- 
-Marc Bissonnette
Daughter and Dad Consulting
(Web site to be Announced)
__________________________________
Visit the Canadian Cookbbok!
http://www.stratcon.ca/cookbook
(respond to dad "at" interlog.com)

In article <5vg1va$5bn$1@news.interlog.com>,
Marc Bissonnette <dad@interlog.com> wrote:
|In article <EGH7vJ.4Aw.0.sheppard@torfree.net>, ad613@torfree.net says...
|>
|>This is for the few of you that believe that the current board is not 
|>doing what it should, or what it takes to REALLY save the TFN. It is also 
|>for those who believe that the TFN will come out intact from it is 
|>current crisis (which I believe is denial) through (in my terms in spite 
|>of) current board actions (in my terms inaction).
|
|>I would appreciate that someone else be actually responsible for such a 
|>fund. Please show your support by following up to this thread stating the 
|>amount of money you pledge to such an effort. You will be contacted to 
|>provide other data (telephone number, address, etc.) so as we can be 
|>prepared whenever is it the time when we shall wake up and the TFN is gone.
|>-- 
|
|Ahh, you summed it up in your very first sentance, Nabster. "This is for the 
|FEW of you..."
|
|Always the minority causing trouble and rucus for the majority. 
|
|Out of curiosity, Nabil, how much are you contributing to this fund? 
|
|Note: You, as a former director, are liable for 2 years after the termination 
|of your tenure, whether it was a voluntary termination or not. Interesting that 
|you are proposing to sue yourself...


	Hmmm, the $$$ which the fund is soliciting for would
	take money away from the TFN's efforts to sustain itself...
	I certainly am not impressed with his sincerity when he
	speaks of "REALLY saving" the TFN (unless he means in
	his bank account 8^)


	My contribution to the fund?  I hereby give warning
	that it's been our experience that Nabil is a
	charlatan (in case anyone wasn't aware of that 8^).
	Please consult the TFN Usenet archives in case
	there is any question in your mind on the subject...


-- 
  ,u,	 Bruce Becker		Toronto, Ontario	1 416 699 1868
a /i/	 Internet: bdb@gts.org	Uucp: ...!gts!bdb
 `\o\-e  "One must respect the customs of those who are unable to speak."
 _< /_	 						- Cody Ann Michaels

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From: Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari <ad613@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
To: Joao Carlos Paulino Cabedal Vicente <ay513@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: You want pledges!?!?!?

On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, Joao Carlos Paulino Cabedal Vicente wrote:

> You don't want to avert the end of TFN just so you can say "I told you
> so" if and when it happens, but guess what!? You won't be able to say it
> because you won't have the TFN to say it in!!!!! Wake up and smell the
> pit you've helped to dig for the TFN.
> 

Well, believe it or not, I did not help in any way in digging that pit. 
That is why I was removed first of all. Only those 'in power' can do that.

Believe me when I say I would rather be proven paranoid and demented than 
proven right. That is why I am exerting pressure on the board right now 
and will continue to do so.

If I merely wanted "I told you so" thing I would have better shut up and 
let things move in the wrong way.

So, if you are so sure of yourself - or at least sure that I am deadly 
wrong - what is the harm in challenging me and pledging whatever you can 
just in case (please make sure to mention your viewpoint about me along 
with your pledge).

Thank you. Sincerely,




-- 
---------------------------O00Oo-   -o000O----------------------------
Nabil M. El-Khodari              \ / "Men use thought to justify their 
IP, TFN                           V  injustices, and speech to conceal 
                                  |  their thoughts"        -Voltaire-

On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari wrote:

[snip]

> This is for the few of you that believe that the current board is not 
> doing what it should, or what it takes to REALLY save the TFN. It is also 
> for those who believe that the TFN will come out intact from it is 
> current crisis (which I believe is denial) through (in my terms in spite 
> of) current board actions (in my terms inaction).

They have done absolutely nothing, contrary to what they say and think.
They have passed a lot of motions that they have not yet followed up with
(eg. IRC, etc)

> The board is LIABLE, irrespective of the bylaws...

They don't follow the bylaws.

> The board is certainly not seeking to achieve the passed motions in that 
> last AGM (GUI, IRC) by the membership, something that may eventually save 
> the TFN through a greater user support.

Sorry, I just said that :D

> The board believes it can do what it wants, not what we elected them to 
> do. Let us show them that we mean business if they do not get their 
> collective asses together and do really something instead of the lip 
> service we have been receiving.

Do?  The board does nothing, as previously mentioned.  The board should do
the right thing, and call a new AGM.  Perhaps then, new board members
would be elected who would actually get things done, instead of sitting on
their collective asses.

Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:
: For those two groups, I suggest that we start a fund right now to sue 
: them in the unlikely (for me the sure) event that the TFN would dissolve 
: and the TFCN (Bruce, McGregor, Dmytri, et al.) would end up inheriting it.

   Hmmmm.  This is a good question.  You mention about the TFCN 
"inheriting" the remains or such of the TFN.  My question is how will 
they inherit the remains and such of the TFN and is there anything stated 
or listed in the bylaws to deal with when the TFN becomes bankrupt???  
Maybe they would sell off their assets and donate the money to a charity 
or something???  Hmmm.  Maybe that's something to check on. :)  Of 
course, the sale of assets should be done by an independent organization. :)

: The board is certainly not seeking to achieve the passed motions in that 
: last AGM (GUI, IRC) by the membership, something that may eventually save 
: the TFN through a greater user support.

   Hmmmm.  Ok.  You mention the GUI and IRC.  Well, the GUI, although 
nice, is really a luxury item, right?  As for the IRC, well, it too can 
be considered a luxury item as well.  Yes the IRC has been used with some 
meetings I've heard or such and if it is available, it should be usable 
by the general population here.
   Though one thing you have to remember here.  Anybody could have made a 
suggestion to be voted on during the last AGM, right?  If so, who says 
that even if a suggest was made, it was a good suggest.  You have to 
think realistically.  Just cause something sounds nice doesn't mean it 
can be practical.

   Will
-- 
---------
Email: az295@torfree.net                 Motto: Just have fun :)
       wmcelhon@acs.ryerson.ca

In article <EGI5Cx.CnD.0.queen@torfree.net>, ad613@torfree.net says...


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At 10:51 AM 9/14/97 -0400, you wrote:

>As for the minority/majority issue, is not that what democracy is 
all 
>about? 

No, A democracy, by definition, is rule by majority.

>As for the very flimsy threat - which I believe is why this was sent 
as 
>an e-mail rather than a post - I shall gladly take my chances, as 
well as 
>I believe all last board members. 

It is no threat, merely a fact all of us have to live with - the fact 
that we are all liable up to two years after leaving the board. It is 
stated very clearly in the Ontario Incorporations act, something we 
hall had the duty to familiarize ourselves with before accepting the 
post with the TFN.

As for "sending it by email", you demonstrate your ignorance of the 
Internet again. The original message was posted to tor.general and 
any other groups you originally had in your header. It was CC'ed to 
your email by default, as you have your newsreader set to "CC By 
Mail" and your email address.

>You see Marc, you have had more than an ample chance to correct and 
>implement any measures to correct the demise of the TFN... By doing 
>practically nothing and stupidly refusing to resign and admit it, it 

>would be clear to any judge that you are at least incompetent - if 
not 
>criminal - in performing the duties you have volunteered for. Being 
a 
>volunteer is no excuse.

Ah, no. Again you demonstrate your ignorance. I will not even delve 
into what we have done over the last year since you steadfastly 
refuse to admit anything but your own delusional imagings. The fact, 
however, that when we were all elected the TFN was due to go belly up 
in January, and we are still around today, should poitn out your 
fallibilities quite clearly.

This response is in email only, in order to save you ambarrassment 
from your ignorance. If, however, when I check the groups in about an 
hour, I find you have posted this traditionally inaccurate and 
paranoidal letter to the groups, this reply will be forwarded there 
in it's entirety.

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-- 
-Marc Bissonnette
Daughter and Dad Consulting
(Web site to be Announced)
__________________________________
Visit the Canadian Cookbook!
http://www.stratcon.ca/cookbook
(respond to dad "at" interlog.com)

Hi William:

I am at no position to discuss either the bylaws, or the motions that 
passed. This is not a discussion of the merits of GUI - with its value to 
both users and advertisers. The motion to apply GUI was passed in a legal 
AGM, and as such should have been implemented by the board who is 
selected by the membership to do what the membership - not to mention 
many other FreeNets - have done long ago. 

The fact is the current board is legally responsible and can be held 
accountable. 

You will see a lot of garbage thrown on me and a lot of lip service of 
what WILL be done and what have been done (all are very flimsy gains and 
I beleive they knew it from the start)....

They would keep the TFN the Dinosaur it has been (not to mention cutting 
a limb here and there in the name of security).

Sincerely,

Nabil

William Paul McElhone (az295@torfree.net) wrote:
: Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:
: : For those two groups, I suggest that we start a fund right now to sue 
: : them in the unlikely (for me the sure) event that the TFN would dissolve 
: : and the TFCN (Bruce, McGregor, Dmytri, et al.) would end up inheriting it.

:    Hmmmm.  This is a good question.  You mention about the TFCN 
: "inheriting" the remains or such of the TFN.  My question is how will 
: they inherit the remains and such of the TFN and is there anything stated 
: or listed in the bylaws to deal with when the TFN becomes bankrupt???  
: Maybe they would sell off their assets and donate the money to a charity 
: or something???  Hmmm.  Maybe that's something to check on. :)  Of 
: course, the sale of assets should be done by an independent organization. :)

: : The board is certainly not seeking to achieve the passed motions in that 
: : last AGM (GUI, IRC) by the membership, something that may eventually save 
: : the TFN through a greater user support.

:    Hmmmm.  Ok.  You mention the GUI and IRC.  Well, the GUI, although 
: nice, is really a luxury item, right?  As for the IRC, well, it too can 
: be considered a luxury item as well.  Yes the IRC has been used with some 
: meetings I've heard or such and if it is available, it should be usable 
: by the general population here.
:    Though one thing you have to remember here.  Anybody could have made a 
: suggestion to be voted on during the last AGM, right?  If so, who says 
: that even if a suggest was made, it was a good suggest.  You have to 
: think realistically.  Just cause something sounds nice doesn't mean it 
: can be practical.

:    Will
: -- 
: ---------
: Email: az295@torfree.net                 Motto: Just have fun :)
:        wmcelhon@acs.ryerson.ca
-- 
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Nabil M. El-Khodari              \ / "Men use thought to justify their 
IP, TFN                           V  injustices, and speech to conceal 
                                  |  their thoughts"        -Voltaire-

In article <Pine.BSF.3.95q.970914144730.27093E-100000@sasami.jurai.net>,
Jae M Carlson  <enkil@jurai.net> wrote:
|On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari wrote:
|
|[snip]
|
|> This is for the few of you that believe that the current board is not 
|> doing what it should, or what it takes to REALLY save the TFN. It is also 
|> for those who believe that the TFN will come out intact from it is 
|> current crisis (which I believe is denial) through (in my terms in spite 
|> of) current board actions (in my terms inaction).
|
|They have done absolutely nothing, contrary to what they say and think.
|They have passed a lot of motions that they have not yet followed up with
|(eg. IRC, etc)
|
|> The board is LIABLE, irrespective of the bylaws...
|
|They don't follow the bylaws.


	You're going to need to document this rather
	bald allegation if you wanted to have it taken
	at all seriously.


|> The board is certainly not seeking to achieve the passed motions in that 
|> last AGM (GUI, IRC) by the membership, something that may eventually save 
|> the TFN through a greater user support.
|
|Sorry, I just said that :D
|
|> The board believes it can do what it wants, not what we elected them to 
|> do. Let us show them that we mean business if they do not get their 
|> collective asses together and do really something instead of the lip 
|> service we have been receiving.
|
|Do?  The board does nothing, as previously mentioned.  The board should do
|the right thing, and call a new AGM.  Perhaps then, new board members
|would be elected who would actually get things done, instead of sitting on
|their collective asses.


	You need to attend a board meeting or two in order
	to have a a realistic basis with which to pass
	judgement.  Please note that the board and most
	of the TFN are volunteers - things don't get done
	mostly because there is far more to do than there
	are volunteers to do them.  If you don't like
	something, the best way to try to fix it is to
	get involved & put your own best effort into it
	(otherwise you are subject to the criticism that
	you are taking potshots while sitting on your
	own collective ass 8^)...


-- 
  ,u,	 Bruce Becker		Toronto, Ontario	1 416 699 1868
a /i/	 Internet: bdb@gts.org	Uucp: ...!gts!bdb
 `\o\-e  "One must respect the customs of those who are unable to speak."
 _< /_	 						- Cody Ann Michaels

That was some very selective editing you did, but it doesn't matter, the
full text of my message to you follows.
Why couldn't you answer back using email? Because you want attention, be
it positive or negative. That is how desperate you are for attention, you
poor reject.

Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:
: From: Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari <ad613@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
: To: Joao Carlos Paulino Cabedal Vicente <ay513@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
: Subject: Re: You want pledges!?!?!?

: On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, Joao Carlos Paulino Cabedal Vicente wrote:

: >No matter how much I try, I can't avoid coming to the same
: >conclusion...you are a seriously deranged person, Nabil. Either that or
: >you are dumber than a door knob!
: >
: >You, the "Ohmygawdthey'regonnaburyTFN" knight. You who proclaim to want
: >nothing more than to save TFN have now shown your true colors! You are a
: >snotty, petty, lowly sample of a real man who wants nothing else besides
: >revenge.
: >
: >Shame on you Nabil for always portraying the TFN in such a bad light when
: >you've received so much from it all along. Shame on you for throwing
: >these continuous tantrums instead of focusing your energy more
: >positivelly in trying to prolong the TFN's life. Shame on you for
: >starting up a fund for something other than prolonguing TFN's life. Shame
: >on you for being a part of the problem instead of the solution!
: >
: >You don't want to avert the end of TFN just so you can say "I told you
: >so" if and when it happens, but guess what!? You won't be able to say it
: >because you won't have the TFN to say it in!!!!! Wake up and smell the
: >pit you've helped to dig for the TFN.
: >
: >     A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the
: >     value of nothing. -- Oscar Wilde

: Well, believe it or not, I did not help in any way in digging that pit.
: That is why I was removed first of all. Only those 'in power' can do that.

Maybe you really are dumb! 

: Believe me when I say I would rather be proven paranoid and demented than
: proven right. That is why I am exerting pressure on the board right now
: and will continue to do so.

Pressure SHMESSURE! You are just throwing another tantrum because things 
didn't go your way. Wouldn't it be easier to look for an opening instead 
of banging your head on that same brick wall forever? Give it a rest 
Nabil, there are easier and better ways of achieving positive changes.

: If I merely wanted "I told you so" thing I would have better shut up and
: let things move in the wrong way.

But you are doing just that BY NOT SHUTTING UP AND TAKING POSITIVE
ACTION!!!! I guess ACTION is not on your vocabulary...just demagogy.

: So, if you are so sure of yourself - or at least sure that I am deadly
: wrong - what is the harm in challenging me and pledging whatever you can
: just in case (please make sure to mention your viewpoint about me along
: with your pledge).

You're starting to disgust me with your lack of a conscience. You have 
become the snake you accuse others of being.



-- 
Joao	>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/quad/2634 <<<<<

	A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the 
	value of nothing. -- Oscar Wilde

In article <EGIq8u.1En.0.bloor@torfree.net>,
William Paul McElhone <az295@torfree.net> wrote:
|Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:
|: For those two groups, I suggest that we start a fund right now to sue 
|: them in the unlikely (for me the sure) event that the TFN would dissolve 
|: and the TFCN (Bruce, McGregor, Dmytri, et al.) would end up inheriting it.
|
|   Hmmmm.  This is a good question.  You mention about the TFCN 
|"inheriting" the remains or such of the TFN.  My question is how will 
|they inherit the remains and such of the TFN and is there anything stated 
|or listed in the bylaws to deal with when the TFN becomes bankrupt???  
|Maybe they would sell off their assets and donate the money to a charity 
|or something???  Hmmm.  Maybe that's something to check on. :)  Of 
|course, the sale of assets should be done by an independent organization. :)


	In the event of a TFN failure there are strict
	procedures to ensure the fairest possible disposition
	of remaining assets.  Nabil is either misinformed
	(as usual) or misrepresenting that scenario (or both).


|: The board is certainly not seeking to achieve the passed motions in that 
|: last AGM (GUI, IRC) by the membership, something that may eventually save 
|: the TFN through a greater user support.
|
|   Hmmmm.  Ok.  You mention the GUI and IRC.  Well, the GUI, although 
|nice, is really a luxury item, right?  As for the IRC, well, it too can 
|be considered a luxury item as well.  Yes the IRC has been used with some 
|meetings I've heard or such and if it is available, it should be usable 
|by the general population here.
|   Though one thing you have to remember here.  Anybody could have made a 
|suggestion to be voted on during the last AGM, right?  If so, who says 
|that even if a suggest was made, it was a good suggest.  You have to 
|think realistically.  Just cause something sounds nice doesn't mean it 
|can be practical.


	Right now the HW/SW group is up to its eyeballs in
	preparing both the tiered-access & a new version of
	lynx for production - these are both _major_ efforts
	which proceed at the pace that volunteers with available
	time can give to it (including CSAS members).


	No matter what reality intervenes to indicate otherwise,
	I fear Mr. El-Khodari will continue to ignore it so
	he can contiune to rant and rave.  Perhaps (as I and
	many others have done) the deployment of a killfile
	entry with your newsreader might be indicated...


-- 
  ,u,	 Bruce Becker		Toronto, Ontario	1 416 699 1868
a /i/	 Internet: bdb@gts.org	Uucp: ...!gts!bdb
 `\o\-e  "One must respect the customs of those who are unable to speak."
 _< /_	 						- Cody Ann Michaels

Dear Joao:

I do not want attention. I prefer to have the TFN working. As for 
positive or negative attention as you put it, in my vocabulary they are 
advocacy. You seem not to have dealt with an activist before, nor does 
the current board. Rest assured that I am not looking for an 'opening' as 
you put it.

However, just for your info. I have volunteered to work at the office - 
even after my removal - and actually renewed my pledge to do so, after 
being informed that Geoffrey Gies can no longer volunteer. 

So please Joaoa, do whatever you want to do, whether positive or 
negative, I do not care.

Now to put every one at ease, I - though informed that at least 8 
positions were be opened for elections - clearly made my point that I am 
not going to appoint myself. I would prefer to keep my privileges as an 
ordinary user, with a healthy interest - as opposed to apathy - in what 
goes on.

Only time would tell..

Sincerely,

Nabil

Joao Carlos Paulino Cabedal Vicente (ay513@torfree.net) wrote:

: That was some very selective editing you did, but it doesn't matter, the
: full text of my message to you follows.
: Why couldn't you answer back using email? Because you want attention, be
: it positive or negative. That is how desperate you are for attention, you
: poor reject.

: Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:
: : From: Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari <ad613@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
: : To: Joao Carlos Paulino Cabedal Vicente <ay513@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
: : Subject: Re: You want pledges!?!?!?

: : On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, Joao Carlos Paulino Cabedal Vicente wrote:

: : >No matter how much I try, I can't avoid coming to the same
: : >conclusion...you are a seriously deranged person, Nabil. Either that or
: : >you are dumber than a door knob!
: : >
: : >You, the "Ohmygawdthey'regonnaburyTFN" knight. You who proclaim to want
: : >nothing more than to save TFN have now shown your true colors! You are a
: : >snotty, petty, lowly sample of a real man who wants nothing else besides
: : >revenge.
: : >
: : >Shame on you Nabil for always portraying the TFN in such a bad light when
: : >you've received so much from it all along. Shame on you for throwing
: : >these continuous tantrums instead of focusing your energy more
: : >positivelly in trying to prolong the TFN's life. Shame on you for
: : >starting up a fund for something other than prolonguing TFN's life. Shame
: : >on you for being a part of the problem instead of the solution!
: : >
: : >You don't want to avert the end of TFN just so you can say "I told you
: : >so" if and when it happens, but guess what!? You won't be able to say it
: : >because you won't have the TFN to say it in!!!!! Wake up and smell the
: : >pit you've helped to dig for the TFN.
: : >
: : >     A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the
: : >     value of nothing. -- Oscar Wilde

: : Well, believe it or not, I did not help in any way in digging that pit.
: : That is why I was removed first of all. Only those 'in power' can do that.

: Maybe you really are dumb! 

: : Believe me when I say I would rather be proven paranoid and demented than
: : proven right. That is why I am exerting pressure on the board right now
: : and will continue to do so.

: Pressure SHMESSURE! You are just throwing another tantrum because things 
: didn't go your way. Wouldn't it be easier to look for an opening instead 
: of banging your head on that same brick wall forever? Give it a rest 
: Nabil, there are easier and better ways of achieving positive changes.

: : If I merely wanted "I told you so" thing I would have better shut up and
: : let things move in the wrong way.

: But you are doing just that BY NOT SHUTTING UP AND TAKING POSITIVE
: ACTION!!!! I guess ACTION is not on your vocabulary...just demagogy.

: : So, if you are so sure of yourself - or at least sure that I am deadly
: : wrong - what is the harm in challenging me and pledging whatever you can
: : just in case (please make sure to mention your viewpoint about me along
: : with your pledge).

: You're starting to disgust me with your lack of a conscience. You have 
: become the snake you accuse others of being.



: -- 
: Joao	>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/quad/2634 <<<<<

: 	A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything, and the 
: 	value of nothing. -- Oscar Wilde
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---------------------------O00Oo-   -o000O----------------------------
Nabil M. El-Khodari              \ / "Men use thought to justify their 
IP, TFN                           V  injustices, and speech to conceal 
                                  |  their thoughts"        -Voltaire-

In article <EGJE7s.FyI.0.sheppard@torfree.net>, ay513@torfree.net says...
>
>That was some very selective editing you did, but it doesn't matter, the
>full text of my message to you follows.
>Why couldn't you answer back using email? Because you want attention, be
>it positive or negative. That is how desperate you are for attention, you
>poor reject.

Joao;

Your summary of Nabil is accurate to the last point. Many of us have tried of 
the last year to get him to see where his faults in logic lay, or even the 
simple nastiness of his disposition. Alas, as a truly disturbed person, he 
refuses to act for the greater good, but merely for his own attention. 

If you want a chuckle, check out my little project on him at

http://www.passport.ca/~draco/nabster

A detailed look into his posting records for evidence of his own paranoia
--
 
-Marc Bissonnette

Jae M Carlson (enkil@jurai.net) wrote:
: On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari wrote:
: [snip]
: > This is for the few of you that believe that the current board is not 
: > doing what it should, or what it takes to REALLY save the TFN. It is also 
: > for those who believe that the TFN will come out intact from it is 
: > current crisis (which I believe is denial) through (in my terms in spite 
: > of) current board actions (in my terms inaction).

: They have done absolutely nothing, contrary to what they say and think.
: They have passed a lot of motions that they have not yet followed up with
: (eg. IRC, etc)
<snip -- the rest continues in this tone and worse>

Jae, according to our membership database, you are not a TFN member.  So 
why are you so critical of TFN?  Why on earth would you care?


Wendy
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> Jae, according to our membership database, you are not a TFN member.  So 
> why are you so critical of TFN?  Why on earth would you care?

That should make no difference.  I have a few good friends in Toronto,
hence my concern.

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This was hilarious, of course we miss Sue. As for your money, sure it is 
needed if the TFN is to survive. Whether you chose to contribute to 
Bruce-sustainability fund, or to pledge it in case the test of time 
proves what the current board is actually accelerating the demise of TFN, 
is entirely up to you. 

Of course, if a lawyer donates his services, and I am contacting one, 
there may be no need even to pledge any money except those needed to file 
the suite.

Again it is up to you and what value you attach to TFN services (or more 
appropriately would be services) to the users and the community.

Thanks for the laugh.
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IP, TFN                           V  injustices, and speech to conceal 
                                  |  their thoughts"        -Voltaire-

Uhh, Sue is no longer on the Board.  Helllooo - reality check!  She's been
gone for over a year.  Hello?  And even if she were, charmingly lady that
she was indeed, would I give her money? 

All they want is my money.

G
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deliver you from all sinful reaction.  Do not fear."  -  God, Bhagavad-gita

Geeze, you guys make a Monty Python skit look dull (splinter!!
splinter!!)

Let me see if I have this correct: a group of people, not satisfied
with how TFN is being run, start their own little junior boys club.
This club itself destructs soon after. Now, certain former member(s)
of the group want to sue the TFN board, even though one of them would
actually be suing himself....
jamesg@pathcom.com

In article <341e26c2.1000184@news.pathcom.com>, address@bottom.com says...
>
>Geeze, you guys make a Monty Python skit look dull (splinter!!
>splinter!!)
>
>Let me see if I have this correct: a group of people, not satisfied
>with how TFN is being run, start their own little junior boys club.
>This club itself destructs soon after. Now, certain former member(s)
>of the group want to sue the TFN board, even though one of them would
>actually be suing himself....

That's pretty much the size of it :) 

Hmmm, Nabil's Flying Circus... Sorta has a ring to it, doesn't it?

-- 
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Daughter and Dad Consulting
(Web site to be Announced)
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Well, I shall take my chances in front of a judge. I actually would be 
very happy to do so. Only then would we expect the truth or something 
very near to it. If you find that amusing, I find it the ultimate degree 
of responsibility and actually being confident in whatever actions that I 
have made during my very short period as a TFN board member.

Though I am, for all what matters, no longer in a position of 
responsibility, yet I am sure that the TFN membership knows that I have 
not turned down their trust or the privileged votes that I have gained. 

Just for a clarification, I hope that the pledges would not be called, as 
I hope that the mere idea of a suing the board would force the board to 
take the necessary actions to do their best - instead of .... - to save 
the TFN or actually submit their resignation as a group before the next 
nearby elections.

Sincerely,

Nabil

jaalgo (address@bottom.com) wrote:
: Geeze, you guys make a Monty Python skit look dull (splinter!!
: splinter!!)

: Let me see if I have this correct: a group of people, not satisfied
: with how TFN is being run, start their own little junior boys club.
: This club itself destructs soon after. Now, certain former member(s)
: of the group want to sue the TFN board, even though one of them would
: actually be suing himself....
: jamesg@pathcom.com
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IP, TFN                           V  injustices, and speech to conceal 
                                  |  their thoughts"        -Voltaire-

Marc Bissonnette (dad@interlog.com) wrote:
: You see, Nabil? This is what I mean. You take one little tidbit of 
informatio$

Dear Marc:

I believe it is outrageous to suggest that someone who does mistakes, is 
all the time mistaken. It is obvious that only dead - or functionally 
dead - people (and angles) are the onl;y ones that do not do mistakes.

Add to that the fact that any mistake I have made, I was responsible
enough to apologize for... theory', only the current board can prove me
wrong. 

I am still defying you - or any board member for that matter - to publish
a comaparative table between the 'performance criteria' posted elsewhere
between the current board (supposed to be functioning) and the previous
board (that we all know was a dysfunctioning one, thank To McGregor role
and the Allisat Affair). Please do not compare through number of users,
which we all know is balooney). 

Such objective comparison is the only valid response that will not only
shut me up, but also is the thing that would be a correct response to the
media. 

The media - and I hope the membership - have had enough speaches,
opinions, etc.

It is seems this is coming at an appropraite time for the board, which
should be busy preparing its financial statement for the coming AGM... Or
shall we expect no financial statement???? 

Sincerely,

Nabil
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IP, TFN                           V  injustices, and speech to conceal 
                                  |  their thoughts"        -Voltaire-

In article <EGo7Dy.5MG.0.sheppard@torfree.net>, ad613@torfree.net says...

>I am still defying you - or any board member for that matter - to publish
>a comaparative table between the 'performance criteria' posted elsewhere
>between the current board (supposed to be functioning) and the previous
>board (that we all know was a dysfunctioning one, thank To McGregor role
>and the Allisat Affair). Please do not compare through number of users,
>which we all know is balooney). 
>

Nabil, in the past two years, I have spent so much time in posting facts and 
figures to prove you wrong that doing your bidding is simply pointless. If you 
want to kill the TFN so badly, go ahead, mister, give it your best shot. You. 
Will. Fail.
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