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"Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
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> CLOSE UP ON ANGLING
> A cruel sport
> http://www.animalaid.org.uk


I look forward with relish to the shit (deservedly) that you will receive
regarding this posting.  You must be some kind of masochist to post  a
message on this newsgroup with such contentious content


>
> There are three types of angling - coarse, sea and game. Coarse
> angling is by far the most popular and probably the most cruel.
>
> Most types of freshwater fish (ie. from rivers, streams and ponds) are
> hunted by coarse anglers, the exceptions being salmon, trout and
> grayling. Their target species include pike, roach, perch, rudd, dace,
> bleak, bream, tench, barbel, carp and chub. Most are inedible.
>
> As well as a rod, line and hook, coarse anglers have to buy a licence
> to enable them to fish. Where a lake, river, canal or reservoir is
> privately owned, a day or season ticket is required.
>
> Maggots are the most common bait and are impaled live onto the hook.
> Earthworms, mealworms and bloodworms are used in the same way.
> Sometimes livebait is applied - small live fish, usually impaled on
> treble hooks to attract predatory fish.
>
> A close season runs from 15 March to 15 June, although regulations
> vary in different regions of the country. The close season is supposed
> to be a time to allow fish respite during their spawning season,
> though it has been scrapped on all still waters (ponds, lakes and
> reservoirs) since 1995.
>
> The most common argument used to defend angling is that fish don't
> feel pain. This is untrue. Fish are vertebrates, with a brain, a
> central nervous system and pain receptors all over their bodies,
> including the lips. As with mammals, it is a biological necessity to
> feel pain and without this capacity they would not survive. Scientific
> research from around the world substantiates this.
>
> In a 1996 report examining the welfare of farmed fish, the Ministry of
> Agriculture's official advisory body, the Farm Animal Welfare Council,
> noted that:
>
> 'Almost all fish live the whole of their lives in water and show a
> maximal emergency response when removed from water, even for a very
> short period. This response includes changes in heart rate, increased
> production of adrenaline, noradrenaline and cortisol and vigorous
> muscle contractions ... All of the scientific evidence concerning such
> effects makes it clear that the term stress is certainly relevant to
> fish and that the means by which stress effects are mediated are very
> similar to those in mammals. Evidence that the term pain is applicable
> to fish comes from anatomical, physiological and behavioural studies
> whose results are very similar to those of studies on birds and
> mammals. The fact that fish are cold blooded does not prevent them
> from having a pain system and, indeed, such a system is valuable in
> preserving life and maximising the biological fitness of individuals.'
> Farm Animal Welfare Council Report on the Welfare of Farmed Fish,
> September 1996.
>
> Fish are caught with either a barbed or barbless hook. Barbed hooks
> cause more damage and are now banned at an increasing number of
> fisheries, but barbless hooks also cause lacerating injuries. Hooked
> fish will struggle out of fear and physical pain. They are then
> dragged out of the water into an alien environment in which they start
> to suffocate, just as we would if we were pulled under water. Their
> gills - similar to our lungs - collapse and may bleed. The swim
> bladder can rupture due to the sudden change in pressure on their
> bodies. Breathing is virtually impossible.
>
> The fish is then handled. Even with wet hands, as recommended by
> anglers, this handling removes the invisible outer mucus layer which
> provides waterproofing. Fish are consequently left open to infection
> if/when eventually returned to water. Time out of water is prolonged
> by those who want their photograph taken with their catch in the hope
> of getting a picture in an angling magazine.
>
> If injured and traumatised fish survive the ordeal of being caught
> they may still die later through stress, or be so weakened that they
> are easy prey for predators.
>
> Anglers present themselves as custodians of the countryside. They
> claim to be conservationists without whom there would be no fish. Yet
> those anglers who monitor waterways, clean up fisheries or take
> polluters to court are greatly outnumbered by those who treat their
> environment with contempt. Hooks and nylon line is lost or discarded,
> with deadly consequences for wildlife. Litter is left behind,
> including jagged bait cans. Maggots contaminated with salmonella and
> botulism have proved fatal to wildfowl. Trampling of vegetation often
> turns banks into mudslides, while the excessive amount of bait which
> is catapulted into the water can rot and pollute.
>
> Each year more waterside birds and mammals die because of discarded
> monofilament than the total number of swans ever killed by lead
> poisoning.
>
> For more information visit the Campaign for the Abolition of Angling's
> website at www.anti-angling.com.
>
>
> --
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> So, you dont like reasoned,
> well thought out, civil debate?
>
> I understand.
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If you thought that was a wel thought out commentary... then explain to me
how a one sided closed minded moron like you self doesnt get bored talking
to yourself??
Can you explain to me what impaling maggot, earth worms, mealworms and other
bait has any place in a posting about fish feeling pain??  Go back to your
PETA cave and have fun eating your salads and roots that grow under the
rocks where you came from.......

By the way... my food ... EATS SALAD... then I eat it!

hehehe

"Derek" <delboynic@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
> news:5d11e488221e246b2ae26e464a8e1512@free.teranews.com...
> > CLOSE UP ON ANGLING
> > A cruel sport
> > http://www.animalaid.org.uk
>
>
> I look forward with relish to the shit (deservedly) that you will receive
> regarding this posting.  You must be some kind of masochist to post  a
> message on this newsgroup with such contentious content


> > So, you dont like reasoned,
> > well thought out, civil debate?
> >
> > I understand.
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In article <bdqm2s$lks$1@hercules.btinternet.com>, Derek
<URL:mailto:delboynic@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> 
> "Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
> news:5d11e488221e246b2ae26e464a8e1512@free.teranews.com...
> > CLOSE UP ON ANGLING

> I look forward with relish to the shit (deservedly) that you will receive
> regarding this posting.  You must be some kind of masochist to post  a
> message on this newsgroup with such contentious content

Oh it's not so bad for one of Pete's postings - I didn't write it of course
but I'm sure Pete will correct the attribution now that the error has been
flagged.

There's very little in the body of it that's actually contentious although
it's slanted to outrage the naif and gullible - which is presumably why Pete
fell for it.

Cheerio,


-- 
>> derek.moody@clara.net

Bunghole, the stupidest shitbag in the UK, wrote:
[...]

> 
> For more information visit the Campaign for the Abolition of Angling's
> website at www.anti-angling.com.

This is rich, Bunghole, you prickcheese.  In your other 
fuckwitted post, you copied the anti-hunt hystericals 
as saying:

   A ban on hunting would inevitably lead to bans on
   shooting and fishing...NONSENSE!


But in fact, the same cocksucking, urban do-nothings 
who want to ban hunting do INDEED want to ban fishing.

Fuck off, bunghole.

"Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
news:5d11e488221e246b2ae26e464a8e1512@free.teranews.com...
> If injured and traumatised fish survive the ordeal of being caught
> they may still die later through stress, or be so weakened that they
> are easy prey for predators.

Woohoo!  Stupid fish, I say kill 'em all!

SAD BASTARD
"Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
news:5d11e488221e246b2ae26e464a8e1512@free.teranews.com...
> CLOSE UP ON ANGLING
> A cruel sport
> http://www.animalaid.org.uk
>
> There are three types of angling - coarse, sea and game. Coarse
> angling is by far the most popular and probably the most cruel.
>
> Most types of freshwater fish (ie. from rivers, streams and ponds) are
> hunted by coarse anglers, the exceptions being salmon, trout and
> grayling. Their target species include pike, roach, perch, rudd, dace,
> bleak, bream, tench, barbel, carp and chub. Most are inedible.
>
> As well as a rod, line and hook, coarse anglers have to buy a licence
> to enable them to fish. Where a lake, river, canal or reservoir is
> privately owned, a day or season ticket is required.
>
> Maggots are the most common bait and are impaled live onto the hook.
> Earthworms, mealworms and bloodworms are used in the same way.
> Sometimes livebait is applied - small live fish, usually impaled on
> treble hooks to attract predatory fish.
>
> A close season runs from 15 March to 15 June, although regulations
> vary in different regions of the country. The close season is supposed
> to be a time to allow fish respite during their spawning season,
> though it has been scrapped on all still waters (ponds, lakes and
> reservoirs) since 1995.
>
> The most common argument used to defend angling is that fish don't
> feel pain. This is untrue. Fish are vertebrates, with a brain, a
> central nervous system and pain receptors all over their bodies,
> including the lips. As with mammals, it is a biological necessity to
> feel pain and without this capacity they would not survive. Scientific
> research from around the world substantiates this.
>
> In a 1996 report examining the welfare of farmed fish, the Ministry of
> Agriculture's official advisory body, the Farm Animal Welfare Council,
> noted that:
>
> 'Almost all fish live the whole of their lives in water and show a
> maximal emergency response when removed from water, even for a very
> short period. This response includes changes in heart rate, increased
> production of adrenaline, noradrenaline and cortisol and vigorous
> muscle contractions ... All of the scientific evidence concerning such
> effects makes it clear that the term stress is certainly relevant to
> fish and that the means by which stress effects are mediated are very
> similar to those in mammals. Evidence that the term pain is applicable
> to fish comes from anatomical, physiological and behavioural studies
> whose results are very similar to those of studies on birds and
> mammals. The fact that fish are cold blooded does not prevent them
> from having a pain system and, indeed, such a system is valuable in
> preserving life and maximising the biological fitness of individuals.'
> Farm Animal Welfare Council Report on the Welfare of Farmed Fish,
> September 1996.
>
> Fish are caught with either a barbed or barbless hook. Barbed hooks
> cause more damage and are now banned at an increasing number of
> fisheries, but barbless hooks also cause lacerating injuries. Hooked
> fish will struggle out of fear and physical pain. They are then
> dragged out of the water into an alien environment in which they start
> to suffocate, just as we would if we were pulled under water. Their
> gills - similar to our lungs - collapse and may bleed. The swim
> bladder can rupture due to the sudden change in pressure on their
> bodies. Breathing is virtually impossible.
>
> The fish is then handled. Even with wet hands, as recommended by
> anglers, this handling removes the invisible outer mucus layer which
> provides waterproofing. Fish are consequently left open to infection
> if/when eventually returned to water. Time out of water is prolonged
> by those who want their photograph taken with their catch in the hope
> of getting a picture in an angling magazine.
>
> If injured and traumatised fish survive the ordeal of being caught
> they may still die later through stress, or be so weakened that they
> are easy prey for predators.
>
> Anglers present themselves as custodians of the countryside. They
> claim to be conservationists without whom there would be no fish. Yet
> those anglers who monitor waterways, clean up fisheries or take
> polluters to court are greatly outnumbered by those who treat their
> environment with contempt. Hooks and nylon line is lost or discarded,
> with deadly consequences for wildlife. Litter is left behind,
> including jagged bait cans. Maggots contaminated with salmonella and
> botulism have proved fatal to wildfowl. Trampling of vegetation often
> turns banks into mudslides, while the excessive amount of bait which
> is catapulted into the water can rot and pollute.
>
> Each year more waterside birds and mammals die because of discarded
> monofilament than the total number of swans ever killed by lead
> poisoning.
>
> For more information visit the Campaign for the Abolition of Angling's
> website at www.anti-angling.com.
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So, you dont like reasoned,
> well thought out, civil debate?
>
> I understand.
>
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>                          /�../
>                         /..../
>                   /��/'...'/���`��
>                /'/.../..../......./��\
>             ('(...�...�.... �~/'...')
>              \.................'...../
>               ''...\.......... _.��
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Malcolm wrote:
: CLOSE UP ON ANGLING
: A  brilliant sport
:  http://www.animalaid.org.uk/letskillsomemaggots
:
< reposted shite snipped>

why not just rip off someone else's post from years ago instead of having
your own views and opinions.(oh, you did)
try to be original and don't try to abuse people, as the header suggests
Derek Moody written this piece of garbage, but a quick search on
http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en reveals its been doing the
rounds for years.
you cannot even be bothered to use your real email address and instead
(typically) decided to hide behind a made up one.
really, is this all your sad lot can manage?
'til you've got an intelligent argument to put forward please refrain from
aimlessly reposting inaccurate propaganda.
We've all got something to bring to this discussion, but the best thing you
can bring is silence.

"Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
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> CLOSE UP ON ANGLING
> A cruel sport
> http://www.animalaid.org.uk
>
All shite snipped!


As long as humans have teeth, we'll eat meat and fish - ans salad, and veg
and.................

It's the perks of being top of the food chain. ;>)

.
> 
> By the way... my food ... EATS SALAD... then I eat it!
> 

I love vegetarians







they taste like chicken

"Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
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> CLOSE UP ON ANGLING
> A cruel sport
> http://www.animalaid.org.uk
>
<Inane drivel deleted>

[PLONK!]

don't feed the trolls they aren't on solids yet  ;o)

rich


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Hey Malcolm

Where was the motherboard on the computer you used to post that message
made? How much was the worker who made it paid?, were they unionised?, are
they allowed to refuse overtime?, are they paid a living wage?, how old were
they? Do you apply the same eithics you have for fish to everything else you
use on a daily basis?

Squid



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> don't feed the trolls they aren't on solids yet  ;o)
>
> rich
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Thought it was an advert for a sex site - animal laid.

Big Man

"Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
news:5d11e488221e246b2ae26e464a8e1512@free.teranews.com...
> CLOSE UP ON ANGLING
> A cruel sport
> http://www.animalaid.org.uk
>

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OR

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"Jonathan Ball" <jonball@whitehouse.not> wrote in message
news:3F00EB5B.8050901@whitehouse.not...
> Bunghole, the stupidest shitbag in the UK, wrote:
> [...]
>
> >
> > For more information visit the Campaign for the Abolition of Angling's
> > website at www.anti-angling.com.
>
> This is rich, Bunghole, you prickcheese.  In your other
> fuckwitted post, you copied the anti-hunt hystericals
> as saying:
>
>    A ban on hunting would inevitably lead to bans on
>    shooting and fishing...NONSENSE!
>
>
> But in fact, the same cocksucking, urban do-nothings
> who want to ban hunting do INDEED want to ban fishing.
>
> Fuck off, bunghole.

Why do ignorant gnomes like you automatically assume that people who care
about animals live in cities. I don't live in a city, I live in a village,
always have done. Incidentally I bet my garage is larger than the dump of a
hovel you rent, possibly cleaner too.

You know nothing about country living my growth inhibited little friend. In
fact you know nothing about anything. You just sit day in day out poking
your dirty little fingers at your grime infested keyboard. The only country
life you see is when you go on your shirtlifting jaunts. Even then I bet you
don't take a shovel. Or indeed a spade, but that one may be wasted on you!

Soon be time for your little August jaunt into the wilderness ~~Jonnie~~Upon
your return, No1 priority is get some pictures posted on your pisspot
website. We all like a laugh at your expense.  A little bit of friendly
information you may care to pass on to your photographer. There is a camera
attachment called a 'shift lens', intended to correct perspective
distortion. In the right hands, it could make you look normal. Very
expensive, but I suppose you could always steal one. I'm not going to even
mention the hat and shorts.

Just one request ~~Jonnie~~ how about an animal related posting?, free from
abuse and english usage correction. You are incapable, for you have no
interest in the subject.

You are a piss poor 'troll' -nothing else.
Kind regards.
>

an opinion is very similiar to an asshole..................best hidden, and
rarely heard

"Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
news:5d11e488221e246b2ae26e464a8e1512@free.teranews.com...
> CLOSE UP ON ANGLING
> A cruel sport
> http://www.animalaid.org.uk
>
> There are three types of angling - coarse, sea and game. Coarse
> angling is by far the most popular and probably the most cruel.
>
> Most types of freshwater fish (ie. from rivers, streams and ponds) are
> hunted by coarse anglers, the exceptions being salmon, trout and
> grayling. Their target species include pike, roach, perch, rudd, dace,
> bleak, bream, tench, barbel, carp and chub. Most are inedible.
>
> As well as a rod, line and hook, coarse anglers have to buy a licence
> to enable them to fish. Where a lake, river, canal or reservoir is
> privately owned, a day or season ticket is required.
>
> Maggots are the most common bait and are impaled live onto the hook.
> Earthworms, mealworms and bloodworms are used in the same way.
> Sometimes livebait is applied - small live fish, usually impaled on
> treble hooks to attract predatory fish.
>
> A close season runs from 15 March to 15 June, although regulations
> vary in different regions of the country. The close season is supposed
> to be a time to allow fish respite during their spawning season,
> though it has been scrapped on all still waters (ponds, lakes and
> reservoirs) since 1995.
>
> The most common argument used to defend angling is that fish don't
> feel pain. This is untrue. Fish are vertebrates, with a brain, a
> central nervous system and pain receptors all over their bodies,
> including the lips. As with mammals, it is a biological necessity to
> feel pain and without this capacity they would not survive. Scientific
> research from around the world substantiates this.
>
> In a 1996 report examining the welfare of farmed fish, the Ministry of
> Agriculture's official advisory body, the Farm Animal Welfare Council,
> noted that:
>
> 'Almost all fish live the whole of their lives in water and show a
> maximal emergency response when removed from water, even for a very
> short period. This response includes changes in heart rate, increased
> production of adrenaline, noradrenaline and cortisol and vigorous
> muscle contractions ... All of the scientific evidence concerning such
> effects makes it clear that the term stress is certainly relevant to
> fish and that the means by which stress effects are mediated are very
> similar to those in mammals. Evidence that the term pain is applicable
> to fish comes from anatomical, physiological and behavioural studies
> whose results are very similar to those of studies on birds and
> mammals. The fact that fish are cold blooded does not prevent them
> from having a pain system and, indeed, such a system is valuable in
> preserving life and maximising the biological fitness of individuals.'
> Farm Animal Welfare Council Report on the Welfare of Farmed Fish,
> September 1996.
>
> Fish are caught with either a barbed or barbless hook. Barbed hooks
> cause more damage and are now banned at an increasing number of
> fisheries, but barbless hooks also cause lacerating injuries. Hooked
> fish will struggle out of fear and physical pain. They are then
> dragged out of the water into an alien environment in which they start
> to suffocate, just as we would if we were pulled under water. Their
> gills - similar to our lungs - collapse and may bleed. The swim
> bladder can rupture due to the sudden change in pressure on their
> bodies. Breathing is virtually impossible.
>
> The fish is then handled. Even with wet hands, as recommended by
> anglers, this handling removes the invisible outer mucus layer which
> provides waterproofing. Fish are consequently left open to infection
> if/when eventually returned to water. Time out of water is prolonged
> by those who want their photograph taken with their catch in the hope
> of getting a picture in an angling magazine.
>
> If injured and traumatised fish survive the ordeal of being caught
> they may still die later through stress, or be so weakened that they
> are easy prey for predators.
>
> Anglers present themselves as custodians of the countryside. They
> claim to be conservationists without whom there would be no fish. Yet
> those anglers who monitor waterways, clean up fisheries or take
> polluters to court are greatly outnumbered by those who treat their
> environment with contempt. Hooks and nylon line is lost or discarded,
> with deadly consequences for wildlife. Litter is left behind,
> including jagged bait cans. Maggots contaminated with salmonella and
> botulism have proved fatal to wildfowl. Trampling of vegetation often
> turns banks into mudslides, while the excessive amount of bait which
> is catapulted into the water can rot and pollute.
>
> Each year more waterside birds and mammals die because of discarded
> monofilament than the total number of swans ever killed by lead
> poisoning.
>
> For more information visit the Campaign for the Abolition of Angling's
> website at www.anti-angling.com.
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So, you dont like reasoned,
> well thought out, civil debate?
>
> I understand.
>
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>                         /..../
>                   /��/'...'/���`��
>                /'/.../..../......./��\
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>               ''...\.......... _.��
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>                  \.............\..

On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:01:34 +0100, "Handy Andy"
<boot.DOT.legger@virgin.net> wrote:

>Please sign up here to         "Flog a Dead Horse !"


HOW MUCH?



John O'Connell

Wood burning camp stoves
www.occuk.co.uk/outdoor

Silly boy  John -- >>
Not Cockney slang  LOL ===

'Flog' as in 'Flagellate'
'Dead' as in ' Necromancy'
'Horse' as defined in OED = "place (person) on man's back to be flogged"

It's FREE     +++++        QED

"occ" <occ@TAKEOUToccuk.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 22:01:34 +0100, "Handy Andy"
> <boot.DOT.legger@virgin.net> wrote:
>
> >Please sign up here to         "Flog a Dead Horse !"
>
>
> HOW MUCH?
>
>
>
> John O'Connell
>
> Wood burning camp stoves
> www.occuk.co.uk/outdoor
>
>

> > Wood burning camp stoves
> > www.occuk.co.uk/outdoor

Hey John - I see they are only �22:00 = cheap at half the price - looks nice
for a winter cod trip .......
.......Do they manage to burn seaweed OK ?

Malcolm wrote:
: CLOSE UP ON ANGLING
: A brilliant sport, and good fun too!
: http://www.animalaid.org.uk

these constant attacks on angling do nothing for the cause of banning
foxhunting etc.
the sooner you realise this the better, i know i've made several replies to
this post, but i'm in and out all the time (fishing!).
there are three million anglers in the uk which equates to one in twenty of
the population, so theres every possibility theres at least one angler in
your family if not more.
you are asking these people and their loved ones to join you on a crusade
(banning foxhunting)which will eventually lead to the demise of fishing in
the UK.
this is madness.
while many people dislike foxhunting etc, when you try to lump angling in
the same category, you are effectively producing pro-foxhunting supporters!
no self respecting angler would vote for the banning of his sport/pastime
and if it took an acceptance of foxhunting to do it, then so be it.
I for one was against foxhunting (and still am in principle) but if it leads
to the death of angling then i'm all for it.

Tally-Ho!

This sad bastard has benefited from the advancements in agriculture to the
point where he no longer has to plod about on a farm to scratch out supper;
no longer has to creep through the woods to hunt down a bit of
flesh-on-the-hoof for the occasional protein infusion.  He now is afforded a
grand, luxurious lifestyle, complete with free time to ruminate about the
feelings of maggots, fish, and other necessary links in the very same food
chain that kept this mutton-head's ancestors alive.

The only reason he's alive today is the fact that his ancestors were capable
of developing the tools and methods that insured their survival (fishing,
hunting, crop management).  How sad it will be when all knowledge of basic
survival techniques are abolished by these people.

I say toss his ass out in the woods for a year and see if a little
perspective shift doesn't occur.

P.S.  Who says a lettuce doesn't scream when slashed violently from its cozy
birthplace just to be ingested by a dirty, two-legged, hairless rat bastard?



--"I don't like this cobbling sort of business--I don't like it at all; it's
undignified; it's not my place.  Let tinkers' brats do tinkerings; we are
their betters.  I like to take in hand none but clean, virgin,
fair-and-square mathematical jobs, something that regularly begins at the
beginning, and is at the middle when midway, and comes to an end at the
conclusion; not a cobbler's job that's at an end in the middle, and at the
beginning at the end."
--Herman Melville

"Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
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> CLOSE UP ON ANGLING
> A cruel sport
> http://www.animalaid.org.uk
>

sean lee wrote:

> an opinion is very similiar to an asshole..................best hidden, and
> rarely heard
and when It's heard, it's usually offensive
-- 
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Boomerang Fishing Pro. , Straight Up Hooks ,
Straight Up Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights,
and the EZKnot          http://www.ezknot.com

"> P.S.  Who says a lettuce doesn't scream when slashed violently from its
cozy
> birthplace just to be ingested by a dirty, two-legged, hairless rat
bastard?
>
>
>
     Let us not forget the barbaric practice of  cutting the eyes off of the
harmless potato or ripping the ears off the stoic corn plant. The very
thought of ripping baby carrots from the bed they were born in.
Imagine the horror of the lowly artichoke being plunged into a cauldron of
boiling water.All this and more is being perpetuated by the very same folks
who feel the need to save the fishes from the dreaded
cheese ball. Only on planet fluff bunny...................

Most Canadians do not deal in British Pounds
"Handy Andy" <boot.DOT.legger@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:SXvMa.15601$sh4.1188549@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
> > > Wood burning camp stoves
> > > www.occuk.co.uk/outdoor
>
> Hey John - I see they are only �22:00 = cheap at half the price - looks
nice
> for a winter cod trip .......
> .......Do they manage to burn seaweed OK ?
>
>

I tried eating vegetarians once but gave it up - there's not enough meat 
on 'em!



Peter Cliff

I wonder if Malcolm, Derek, et. al. are as concerned with the feelings of an
animal much closer to them in anatomy.

A mammalian with the desire to co-habitate with humans.

An animal that eats the same food as humans;  is often maintained as a pet.


How do they feel when they pay the exterminator to crush the skulls of these
creatures?  Do they not feel pain like the maggot or carp?  Do they not
scream with pain when murdered?

Maybe it's simply homicide (or rat-o-cide)....just eliminating the
competition.

"Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
news:5d11e488221e246b2ae26e464a8e1512@free.teranews.com...
> CLOSE UP ON ANGLING
> A cruel sport
> http://www.animalaid.org.uk
>
>. As with mammals, it is a biological necessity to
> feel pain and without this capacity they would not survive. Scientific
> research from around the world substantiates this.
>
> All of the scientific evidence concerning such
> effects makes it clear that the term stress is certainly relevant to
> fish and that the means by which stress effects are mediated are very
> similar to those in mammals. Evidence that the term pain is applicable
> to fish comes from anatomical, physiological and behavioural studies
> whose results are very similar to those of studies on birds and
> mammals.
>

Piss off swampy what you given up on fox hunting now, go back to you veggie
burgers
"Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
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> CLOSE UP ON ANGLING
> A cruel sport
> http://www.animalaid.org.uk
>
> There are three types of angling - coarse, sea and game. Coarse
> angling is by far the most popular and probably the most cruel.
>
> Most types of freshwater fish (ie. from rivers, streams and ponds) are
> hunted by coarse anglers, the exceptions being salmon, trout and
> grayling. Their target species include pike, roach, perch, rudd, dace,
> bleak, bream, tench, barbel, carp and chub. Most are inedible.
>
> As well as a rod, line and hook, coarse anglers have to buy a licence
> to enable them to fish. Where a lake, river, canal or reservoir is
> privately owned, a day or season ticket is required.
>
> Maggots are the most common bait and are impaled live onto the hook.
> Earthworms, mealworms and bloodworms are used in the same way.
> Sometimes livebait is applied - small live fish, usually impaled on
> treble hooks to attract predatory fish.
>
> A close season runs from 15 March to 15 June, although regulations
> vary in different regions of the country. The close season is supposed
> to be a time to allow fish respite during their spawning season,
> though it has been scrapped on all still waters (ponds, lakes and
> reservoirs) since 1995.
>
> The most common argument used to defend angling is that fish don't
> feel pain. This is untrue. Fish are vertebrates, with a brain, a
> central nervous system and pain receptors all over their bodies,
> including the lips. As with mammals, it is a biological necessity to
> feel pain and without this capacity they would not survive. Scientific
> research from around the world substantiates this.
>
> In a 1996 report examining the welfare of farmed fish, the Ministry of
> Agriculture's official advisory body, the Farm Animal Welfare Council,
> noted that:
>
> 'Almost all fish live the whole of their lives in water and show a
> maximal emergency response when removed from water, even for a very
> short period. This response includes changes in heart rate, increased
> production of adrenaline, noradrenaline and cortisol and vigorous
> muscle contractions ... All of the scientific evidence concerning such
> effects makes it clear that the term stress is certainly relevant to
> fish and that the means by which stress effects are mediated are very
> similar to those in mammals. Evidence that the term pain is applicable
> to fish comes from anatomical, physiological and behavioural studies
> whose results are very similar to those of studies on birds and
> mammals. The fact that fish are cold blooded does not prevent them
> from having a pain system and, indeed, such a system is valuable in
> preserving life and maximising the biological fitness of individuals.'
> Farm Animal Welfare Council Report on the Welfare of Farmed Fish,
> September 1996.
>
> Fish are caught with either a barbed or barbless hook. Barbed hooks
> cause more damage and are now banned at an increasing number of
> fisheries, but barbless hooks also cause lacerating injuries. Hooked
> fish will struggle out of fear and physical pain. They are then
> dragged out of the water into an alien environment in which they start
> to suffocate, just as we would if we were pulled under water. Their
> gills - similar to our lungs - collapse and may bleed. The swim
> bladder can rupture due to the sudden change in pressure on their
> bodies. Breathing is virtually impossible.
>
> The fish is then handled. Even with wet hands, as recommended by
> anglers, this handling removes the invisible outer mucus layer which
> provides waterproofing. Fish are consequently left open to infection
> if/when eventually returned to water. Time out of water is prolonged
> by those who want their photograph taken with their catch in the hope
> of getting a picture in an angling magazine.
>
> If injured and traumatised fish survive the ordeal of being caught
> they may still die later through stress, or be so weakened that they
> are easy prey for predators.
>
> Anglers present themselves as custodians of the countryside. They
> claim to be conservationists without whom there would be no fish. Yet
> those anglers who monitor waterways, clean up fisheries or take
> polluters to court are greatly outnumbered by those who treat their
> environment with contempt. Hooks and nylon line is lost or discarded,
> with deadly consequences for wildlife. Litter is left behind,
> including jagged bait cans. Maggots contaminated with salmonella and
> botulism have proved fatal to wildfowl. Trampling of vegetation often
> turns banks into mudslides, while the excessive amount of bait which
> is catapulted into the water can rot and pollute.
>
> Each year more waterside birds and mammals die because of discarded
> monofilament than the total number of swans ever killed by lead
> poisoning.
>
> For more information visit the Campaign for the Abolition of Angling's
> website at www.anti-angling.com.
>
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> So, you dont like reasoned,
> well thought out, civil debate?
>
> I understand.
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I know ............... let's go fishing...................

"Lou W" <sailounot@home.com> wrote in message
news:_uCMa.60255$1e.1207@fed1read04...
>
> "> P.S.  Who says a lettuce doesn't scream when slashed violently from its
> cozy
> > birthplace just to be ingested by a dirty, two-legged, hairless rat
> bastard?
> >
> >
> >
>      Let us not forget the barbaric practice of  cutting the eyes off of
the
> harmless potato or ripping the ears off the stoic corn plant. The very
> thought of ripping baby carrots from the bed they were born in.
> Imagine the horror of the lowly artichoke being plunged into a cauldron of
> boiling water.All this and more is being perpetuated by the very same
folks
> who feel the need to save the fishes from the dreaded
> cheese ball. Only on planet fluff bunny...................
>

Oh, the old "carrots feel pain" crap. I've never heard that one! Wanker.

>