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On 11 Apr 2007 16:25:14 -0700, "Holly" <noon_union@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Apr 11, 3:15�pm, "Pete       �(���)�" <farmingfa...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:30:17 +0100, Malcolm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <Malc...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <YIydnRpto5INhYDbRVny...@bt.com>, Pat Gardiner
>> ><patgardi...@btinternet.com> writes
>> >>Some of you will realise that I had a big problem a few days ago when,
>> >>unexpectedly to me, the world famous British Library, of Karl Marx fame,
>> >>shut down as an ISP.
>>
>> >>They were the only government ISP - and very good they were too, as you
>> >>would expect. They hosted Self-Sufficiency in Style
>>
>> >>To be prefectly frank there was total panic in my heart. Readers who have
>> >>known me for years were out of touch. Not least, those official bodies that
>> >>use me as a source of reliable information.
>>
>> >Yes, Pat, of course, Pat. You're absolutely right, Pat. Everyone knows
>> >that you are a source of reliable information.
>>
>> Of course you're right, but do I detect some jealousy?
>>
>> >>but you will all
>> >>recall I have long told you, you were all being very closely watched by a
>> >>huge range of regulatory bodies, here and abroad.
>>
>> >Oh yes, we remember all right. Indeed, you keep repeating it, mentioning
>> >"watchers" and "monitors" and other mysterious beings. I don't recall
>> >you mentioning the "huge range" before, but doubtless you can
>> >substantiate this escalation in your claim.
>>
>> Speaking of claims. Do you remember when you copied Konters book on
>> grebes and got caught out, after making all sorts of false claims/
>> Just before you were booted out of the RSPB for being a liar and
>> fraud, and demon.local as it happens.
>>
>> Here it is in case you forgot....
>>
>> Message from discussion Malcolm gets a kicking
>>
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>> Newsgroups: demon.local, uk.environment.conservation,
>> talk.politics.animals, uk.rec.birdwatching, uk.rec.natural-history
>> From: Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:47:55 +0000
>> Local: Fri 29 Nov 2002 23:47
>> Subject: Malcolm gets a kicking
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>> In article <qqn9uusrsb9ink562o7197q9ka4fbdj...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
>> <paulroo...@aol.com> writes
>>
>> >This one would make a nice present - well illustrated by an author
>> >with first hand knowledge.
>> >http://www.hbw.com/phtml/llibreLynx.phtml?codi=MON0001
>> >'Twould look nice on my shelves!
>>
>> Thank you, Paul.
>>
>> I shall refrain from wondering too much about your motives in suddenly
>> publicising the above - I don't remember you ever recommending a book
>> before - just a couple of days after you learnt that my own book
>> entitled 'Grebes of the World' has just been published. However, I'm
>> grateful for the opportunity to say that my book is available fromwww.nhbs.comand other suppliers.
>>
>> It is a very different book from the above, being a large-format
>> volume
>> of 24 stunning plates by Chris Rose, one of our leading wildlife
>> artists, who has observed grebes across the world and who suggested
>> the
>> project to a publisher. While I haven't seen quite all the species
>> Chris
>> has, the publisher was kind enough to ask me to write an accompanying
>> text in the form of a series of essays, rather than follow a strict
>> 'handbook' format, together with a longish introduction covering all
>> the
>> main aspects of grebes' lives. Appendices contain the basic biological
>> information about each species, together with explanations of the
>> derivations of the English and scientific names, something of a hobby
>> of
>> mine.
>>
>> It will indeed look very nice indeed on anyone's shelves - if you can
>> afford it :-))
>>
>> --
>> Malcolm
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Thank you, Paul.
>>
>> Don't mention it. I was a little surprised that you didn't come across
>> it in your extensive research though �(-:
>>
>> --
>> Paul Rooney
>>
>> Quotes of the year from demon.local:
>> "You *will* either disappear or post with a sig of
>> 4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
>> "Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"
>>
>> In article <ef0auuc8mn9pe9lkcnhiqol8omlrb4n...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
>> <paulroo...@aol.com> writes
>>
>> >On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:44:23 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
>> >wrote:
>> >>Thank you, Paul.
>> >Don't mention it. I was a little surprised that you didn't come across
>> >it in your extensive research though �(-:
>>
>> You shouldn't jump to conclusions. And you shouldn't try and score
>> points when you don't have all the facts. Do you know anything about
>> it
>> at all except what you read in the advert?
>>
>> I have a copy. Have you?
>>
>> --
>> Malcolm
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:56:58 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <ef0auuc8mn9pe9lkcnhiqol8omlrb4n...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
>> ><paulroo...@aol.com> writes
>> >>On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:44:23 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
>> >>wrote:
>> >>>Thank you, Paul.
>> >>Don't mention it. I was a little surprised that you didn't come across
>> >>it in your extensive research though �(-:
>> >You shouldn't jump to conclusions.
>>
>> Did I jump to the wrong conclusion? It's just that you did say yours
>> was the first ever book on the subject, so I not unreasonably
>> concluded that you were unaware of the earlier work.
>> Humble apologies if I have got the wrong end of the stick.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Rooney
>>
>> Quotes of the year from demon.local:
>> "You *will* either disappear or post with a sig of
>> 4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
>> "Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"
>>
>> In article <5l3auucau0o6j9n6dv0cnl0oiacm2om...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
>> <paulroo...@aol.com> writes
>>
>> >On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:56:58 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
>> >wrote:
>> >>In article <ef0auuc8mn9pe9lkcnhiqol8omlrb4n...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
>> >><paulroo...@aol.com> writes
>> >>>On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:44:23 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
>> >>>wrote:
>> >>>>Thank you, Paul.
>> >>>Don't mention it. I was a little surprised that you didn't come across
>> >>>it in your extensive research though �(-:
>> >>You shouldn't jump to conclusions.
>> >Did I jump to the wrong conclusion? It's just that you did say yours
>> >was the first ever book on the subject, so I not unreasonably
>> >concluded that you were unaware of the earlier work.
>> >Humble apologies if I have got the wrong end of the stick.
>>
>> You did. Apology accepted.
>>
>> --
>> Malcolm
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:49:43 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >In article <5l3auucau0o6j9n6dv0cnl0oiacm2om...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
>> ><paulroo...@aol.com> writes
>> >>On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:56:58 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
>> >>wrote:
>> >>>In article <ef0auuc8mn9pe9lkcnhiqol8omlrb4n...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
>> >>><paulroo...@aol.com> writes
>> >>>>On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:44:23 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
>> >>>>wrote:
>> >>>>>Thank you, Paul.
>> >>>>Don't mention it. I was a little surprised that you didn't come across
>> >>>>it in your extensive research though �(-:
>> >>>You shouldn't jump to conclusions.
>> >>Did I jump to the wrong conclusion? It's just that you did say yours
>> >>was the first ever book on the subject, so I not unreasonably
>> >>concluded that you were unaware of the earlier work.
>> >>Humble apologies if I have got the wrong end of the stick.
>> >You did. Apology accepted.
>>
>> Good-oh!
>> So just to be clear - what did you mean when you said yours was the
>> first book ever devoted to this particular group of birds?
>>
>> --
>> Paul Rooney
>>
>> Quotes of the year from demon.local:
>> "You *will* either disappear or post with a sig of
>> 4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
>> "Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"
>>
>> "Paul Rooney" <paulroo...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > >>Did I jump to the wrong conclusion? It's just that you did say yours
>> > >>was the first ever book on the subject, so I not unreasonably
>> > >>concluded that you were unaware of the earlier work.
>> > >>Humble apologies if I have got the wrong end of the stick.
>> > >You did. Apology accepted.
>> > Good-oh!
>> > So just to be clear - what did you mean when you said yours was the
>> > first book ever devoted to this particular group of birds?
>> > Paul Rooney
>>
>> ROFL :-)
>>
>> <msdl20...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> >ROFL :-)
>>
>> You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
>> Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
>> My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
>> and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
>> is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.
>>
>> Malcolm
>>
>> In article <vphauuo4g5p251r6l9l1hf7re8kblda...@4ax.com>,
>> M...@indaal.demon.co.uk says...
>>
>> > On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:13:50 -0000, "peter kook"
>> > <msdl20...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> > >ROFL :-)
>> > You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
>> > Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
>> > My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
>> > and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
>> > is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.
>> > Malcolm
>>
>> KONTER (Andre) - Grebes of our World. Visiting all Species on Five
>> Continents - 2001, 8vo. 187pp. Colour photographs, line drawings. �A
>> description of the 22 species of grebes, their natural history,
>> ecology
>> and behaviour.
>>
>> Grebes of the World
>> Malcolm Ogilvie
>> The book starts with an authoritative introduction on the origin,
>> evolution, distribution, physiology and behaviour of grebes, followed
>> by
>> accounts of each of the 22 species
>>
>> Malcolm it looks as though Konter might dispute that statement!
>> --
>> Rob
>>
>> In article <MPG.184f5eb42c4e3237989...@news.freeserve.net>, Rob Jack
>> <kcajbornos...@lineone.net> writes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >In article <vphauuo4g5p251r6l9l1hf7re8kblda...@4ax.com>,
>> >M...@indaal.demon.co.uk says...
>> >> On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:13:50 -0000, "peter kook"
>> >> <msdl20...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >ROFL :-)
>> >> You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
>> >> Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
>> >> My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
>> >> and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
>> >> is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.
>> >> Malcolm
>> >KONTER (Andre) - Grebes of our World. Visiting all Species on Five
>> >Continents - 2001, 8vo. 187pp. Colour photographs, line drawings. �A
>> >description of the 22 species of grebes, their natural history, ecology
>> >and behaviour.
>> >Grebes of the World
>> >Malcolm Ogilvie
>> >The book starts with an authoritative introduction on the origin,
>> >evolution, distribution, physiology and behaviour of grebes, followed by
>> >accounts of each of the 22 species
>> >Malcolm it looks as though Konter might dispute that statement!
>>
>> Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter,
>> but
>> please note that you are replying to a forged message.
>>
>> Can I advise that people look at the headers of any messages
>> purporting
>> to come from me, now that Pete has started forging people's names and
>> e-mail addresses again. The above message ID ends in @4ax. I post
>> through Demon so mine end in @indaal.demon.co.uk, the same as my
>> e-mail
>> address. You'll also note that the forged message didn't have a
>> Reply-to
>> header line. Mine do.
>>
>> --
>> Malcolm Ogilvie
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter, but
>> >please note that you are replying to a forged message.
>>
>> You're not the first academic to propagate an untruth in order to look
>> good, and I doubt you'll be the last. A bit shabby though,
>> particularly as it took you so long to own up.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Rooney
>>
>> Quotes of the year from demon.local:
>> "You *will* either disappear or post with a sig of
>> 4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
>> "Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"
>>
>> In article <6bsbuusm6dbrucb08dsh9purbq2l7ca...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
>> <paulroo...@aol.com> writes
>>
>> >On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:01:13 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
>> >wrote:
>> >>Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter, but
>> >>please note that you are replying to a forged message.
>> >You're not the first academic to propagate an untruth in order to look
>> >good, and I doubt you'll be the last. A bit shabby though,
>> >particularly as it took you so long to own up.
>>
>> Hmm, I think you should look to your own behaviour before rushing to
>> criticise others.
>>
>> The error I made was in a chatty piece about the actual writing of the
>> book which I posted to a non-birdwatching newsgroup where I wasn't
>> advertising the book and didn't even give the title of the book or the
>> name of the publisher. You then chose to introduce the subject of
>> books
>> on grebes to this newsgroup by suggesting the other book as a good
>> Christmas present without mentioning mine. This deliberate, even
>> shabby,
>> action of yours was perhaps not unconnected with the fact that, having
>> a
>> little while ago accidentally discovered, via a crosspost, the
>> newsgroup
>> in which I had posted my piece, you set about being deliberately
>> disruptive, flooding it with nearly 700 messages in just four weeks,
>> for
>> which behaviour you have been rightly criticised by myself and many
>> other regulars of that newsgroup.
>>
>> BTW, that's twice you've called me an academic. Why? It is my
>> understanding that academics work in universities. I don't and never
>> have.
>>
>> --
>> Malcolm
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:22:13 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <6bsbuusm6dbrucb08dsh9purbq2l7ca...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
>> ><paulroo...@aol.com> writes
>> >>On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:01:13 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
>> >>wrote:
>> >>>Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter, but
>> >>>please note that you are replying to a forged message.
>> >>You're not the first academic to propagate an untruth in order to look
>> >>good, and I doubt you'll be the last. A bit shabby though,
>> >>particularly as it took you so long to own up.
>> >Hmm, I think you should look to your own behaviour before rushing to
>> >criticise others.
>> >The error I made was in a chatty piece about the actual writing of the
>> >book which I posted to a non-birdwatching newsgroup where I wasn't
>> >advertising the book and didn't even give the title of the book or the
>> >name of the publisher.
>>
>> You clearly and explicitly stated that yours was the first book on the
>> subject, in the full knowledge that the topic had recently been
>> covered very thoroughly in Konter's book.
>> The facts speak for themselves. You are a liar who only had the grace
>> to own up when you had been found out - you even persisted in giving
>> the impression that you were the first to write it *after* I had drawn
>> attention to your untruth. Your apology comes a little late.
>> You do yourself no credit in introducing other, wholly irrelevant
>> matters in order to deflect criticism from your behaviour. Shame on
>> you.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Rooney
>>
>> Quotes of the year from demon.local:
>> "You *will* either disappear or post with a sig of
>> 4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
>> "Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Malcolm" <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > Hmm, I think you should look to your own behaviour before rushing to
>> > criticise others.
>> > The error I made was in a chatty piece about the actual writing of the
>> > book which I posted to a non-birdwatching newsgroup where I wasn't
>> > advertising the book and didn't even give the title of the book or the
>> > name of the publisher. You then chose to introduce the subject of books
>> > on grebes to this newsgroup by suggesting the other book as a good
>> > Christmas present without mentioning mine. This deliberate, even shabby,
>> > action of yours was perhaps not unconnected with the fact that, having a
>> > little while ago accidentally discovered, via a crosspost, the newsgroup
>> > in which I had posted my piece, you set about being deliberately
>> > disruptive, flooding it with nearly 700 messages in just four weeks, for
>> > which behaviour you have been rightly criticised by myself and many
>> > other regulars of that newsgroup.
>> > BTW, that's twice you've called me an academic. Why? It is my
>> > understanding that academics work in universities. I don't and never
>> > have.
>> > --
>> > Malcolm
>>
>> --
>>
>> Avoid the rush at the last judgement. Be converted now instead!
>>
>> PRAYER FOR A NATION
>>
>> When Pastor Joe Wright, of Central Christian Church, was asked
>> to open the new session of the Kansas Senate, everyone was expecting
>> �the usual politically correct generalities.
>> But what they heard instead was this:
>>
>> Heavenly Father, we come before You today to ask Your forgiveness
>> and seek your direction and guidance.
>> We know Your Word says,
>> �Woe on those who call evil good,� but that�s exactly what we have done.
>> We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and inverted our values.
>>
>> We confess that:
>>
>> We have ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word and called it pluralism;
>>
>> We have, worshipped other gods and called it multiculturalism;
>>
>> We have endorsed perversion and called it an alternative lifestyle;
>>
>> We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery;
>>
>> We have neglected the needy and called it self-preservation;
>>
>> We have killed our unborn and called it choice;
>>
>> We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self-esteem;
>>
>> We have abused power and called it political savvy;
>>
>> We have coveted our neighbour�s possessions and called it ambition;
>>
>> We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression;
>>
>> We have ridiculed the time-honoured values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.
>>
>> Search us, 0 God, and know our hearts today; try us and see if there be some wicked way in us;
>> cleanse us from every sin and set us free. Guide and bless these men and women who have
>> been sent here by the people of Kansas, and who have been ordained by You, to govern this great state.
>>
>> Grant them Your wisdom to rule and may their decisions direct us to the centre of Your will. I ask it in the name of Your Son, the Living Saviour, Jesus Christ. Amen.�
>>
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Avoid the rush at the last judgement. Be converted now instead!


PRAYER FOR A NATION


When Pastor Joe Wright, of Central Christian Church, was asked 
to open the new session of the Kansas Senate, everyone was expecting
 the usual politically correct generalities. 
But what they heard instead was this:

Heavenly Father, we come before You today to ask Your forgiveness 
and seek your direction and guidance. 
We know Your Word says, 
�Woe on those who call evil good,� but that�s exactly what we have done. 
We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and inverted our values.

We confess that:

We have ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word and called it pluralism;

We have, worshipped other gods and called it multiculturalism;

We have endorsed perversion and called it an alternative lifestyle;

We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery; 

We have neglected the needy and called it self-preservation; 

We have killed our unborn and called it choice; 

We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self-esteem; 

We have abused power and called it political savvy;

We have coveted our neighbour�s possessions and called it ambition;

We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression;

We have ridiculed the time-honoured values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.

Search us, 0 God, and know our hearts today; try us and see if there be some wicked way in us; 
cleanse us from every sin and set us free. Guide and bless these men and women who have 
been sent here by the people of Kansas, and who have been ordained by You, to govern this great state.

Grant them Your wisdom to rule and may their decisions direct us to the centre of Your will. I ask it in the name of Your Son, the Living Saviour, Jesus Christ. Amen.�


                      ****************


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