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On Apr 11, 3:15 pm, "Pete       ‹(•¿•)›" <farmingfa...@yahoo.com>
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> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:30:17 +0100, Malcolm
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> <Malc...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> >In article <YIydnRpto5INhYDbRVny...@bt.com>, Pat Gardiner
> ><patgardi...@btinternet.com> writes
> >>Some of you will realise that I had a big problem a few days ago when,
> >>unexpectedly to me, the world famous British Library, of Karl Marx fame,
> >>shut down as an ISP.
>
> >>They were the only government ISP - and very good they were too, as you
> >>would expect. They hosted Self-Sufficiency in Style
>
> >>To be prefectly frank there was total panic in my heart. Readers who have
> >>known me for years were out of touch. Not least, those official bodies that
> >>use me as a source of reliable information.
>
> >Yes, Pat, of course, Pat. You're absolutely right, Pat. Everyone knows
> >that you are a source of reliable information.
>
> Of course you're right, but do I detect some jealousy?
>
> >>but you will all
> >>recall I have long told you, you were all being very closely watched by a
> >>huge range of regulatory bodies, here and abroad.
>
> >Oh yes, we remember all right. Indeed, you keep repeating it, mentioning
> >"watchers" and "monitors" and other mysterious beings. I don't recall
> >you mentioning the "huge range" before, but doubtless you can
> >substantiate this escalation in your claim.
>
> Speaking of claims. Do you remember when you copied Konters book on
> grebes and got caught out, after making all sorts of false claims/
> Just before you were booted out of the RSPB for being a liar and
> fraud, and demon.local as it happens.
>
> Here it is in case you forgot....
>
> Message from discussion Malcolm gets a kicking
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> Malcolm    View profile
>   More options 29 Nov 2002, 23:46  
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> Newsgroups: demon.local, uk.environment.conservation,
> talk.politics.animals, uk.rec.birdwatching, uk.rec.natural-history
> From: Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:47:55 +0000
> Local: Fri 29 Nov 2002 23:47
> Subject: Malcolm gets a kicking
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> In article <qqn9uusrsb9ink562o7197q9ka4fbdj...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
> <paulroo...@aol.com> writes
>
> >This one would make a nice present - well illustrated by an author
> >with first hand knowledge.
> >http://www.hbw.com/phtml/llibreLynx.phtml?codi=MON0001
> >'Twould look nice on my shelves!
>
> Thank you, Paul.
>
> I shall refrain from wondering too much about your motives in suddenly
> publicising the above - I don't remember you ever recommending a book
> before - just a couple of days after you learnt that my own book
> entitled 'Grebes of the World' has just been published. However, I'm
> grateful for the opportunity to say that my book is available fromwww.nhbs.comand other suppliers.
>
> It is a very different book from the above, being a large-format
> volume
> of 24 stunning plates by Chris Rose, one of our leading wildlife
> artists, who has observed grebes across the world and who suggested
> the
> project to a publisher. While I haven't seen quite all the species
> Chris
> has, the publisher was kind enough to ask me to write an accompanying
> text in the form of a series of essays, rather than follow a strict
> 'handbook' format, together with a longish introduction covering all
> the
> main aspects of grebes' lives. Appendices contain the basic biological
> information about each species, together with explanations of the
> derivations of the English and scientific names, something of a hobby
> of
> mine.
>
> It will indeed look very nice indeed on anyone's shelves - if you can
> afford it :-))
>
> --
> Malcolm
> wrote:
>
> >Thank you, Paul.
>
> Don't mention it. I was a little surprised that you didn't come across
> it in your extensive research though  (-:
>
> --
> Paul Rooney
>
> Quotes of the year from demon.local:
> "You *will* either disappear or post with a sig of
> 4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
> "Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"
>
> In article <ef0auuc8mn9pe9lkcnhiqol8omlrb4n...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
> <paulroo...@aol.com> writes
>
> >On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:44:23 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
> >wrote:
> >>Thank you, Paul.
> >Don't mention it. I was a little surprised that you didn't come across
> >it in your extensive research though  (-:
>
> You shouldn't jump to conclusions. And you shouldn't try and score
> points when you don't have all the facts. Do you know anything about
> it
> at all except what you read in the advert?
>
> I have a copy. Have you?
>
> --
> Malcolm
>
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:56:58 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <ef0auuc8mn9pe9lkcnhiqol8omlrb4n...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
> ><paulroo...@aol.com> writes
> >>On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:44:23 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
> >>wrote:
> >>>Thank you, Paul.
> >>Don't mention it. I was a little surprised that you didn't come across
> >>it in your extensive research though  (-:
> >You shouldn't jump to conclusions.
>
> Did I jump to the wrong conclusion? It's just that you did say yours
> was the first ever book on the subject, so I not unreasonably
> concluded that you were unaware of the earlier work.
> Humble apologies if I have got the wrong end of the stick.
>
> --
> Paul Rooney
>
> Quotes of the year from demon.local:
> "You *will* either disappear or post with a sig of
> 4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
> "Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"
>
> In article <5l3auucau0o6j9n6dv0cnl0oiacm2om...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
> <paulroo...@aol.com> writes
>
> >On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:56:58 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
> >wrote:
> >>In article <ef0auuc8mn9pe9lkcnhiqol8omlrb4n...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
> >><paulroo...@aol.com> writes
> >>>On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:44:23 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>>Thank you, Paul.
> >>>Don't mention it. I was a little surprised that you didn't come across
> >>>it in your extensive research though  (-:
> >>You shouldn't jump to conclusions.
> >Did I jump to the wrong conclusion? It's just that you did say yours
> >was the first ever book on the subject, so I not unreasonably
> >concluded that you were unaware of the earlier work.
> >Humble apologies if I have got the wrong end of the stick.
>
> You did. Apology accepted.
>
> --
> Malcolm
>
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:49:43 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >In article <5l3auucau0o6j9n6dv0cnl0oiacm2om...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
> ><paulroo...@aol.com> writes
> >>On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 17:56:58 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
> >>wrote:
> >>>In article <ef0auuc8mn9pe9lkcnhiqol8omlrb4n...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
> >>><paulroo...@aol.com> writes
> >>>>On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:44:23 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>>Thank you, Paul.
> >>>>Don't mention it. I was a little surprised that you didn't come across
> >>>>it in your extensive research though  (-:
> >>>You shouldn't jump to conclusions.
> >>Did I jump to the wrong conclusion? It's just that you did say yours
> >>was the first ever book on the subject, so I not unreasonably
> >>concluded that you were unaware of the earlier work.
> >>Humble apologies if I have got the wrong end of the stick.
> >You did. Apology accepted.
>
> Good-oh!
> So just to be clear - what did you mean when you said yours was the
> first book ever devoted to this particular group of birds?
>
> --
> Paul Rooney
>
> Quotes of the year from demon.local:
> "You *will* either disappear or post with a sig of
> 4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
> "Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"
>
> "Paul Rooney" <paulroo...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > >>Did I jump to the wrong conclusion? It's just that you did say yours
> > >>was the first ever book on the subject, so I not unreasonably
> > >>concluded that you were unaware of the earlier work.
> > >>Humble apologies if I have got the wrong end of the stick.
> > >You did. Apology accepted.
> > Good-oh!
> > So just to be clear - what did you mean when you said yours was the
> > first book ever devoted to this particular group of birds?
> > Paul Rooney
>
> ROFL :-)
>
> <msdl20...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >ROFL :-)
>
> You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
> Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
> My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
> and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
> is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.
>
> Malcolm
>
> In article <vphauuo4g5p251r6l9l1hf7re8kblda...@4ax.com>,
> M...@indaal.demon.co.uk says...
>
> > On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:13:50 -0000, "peter kook"
> > <msdl20...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > >ROFL :-)
> > You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
> > Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
> > My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
> > and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
> > is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.
> > Malcolm
>
> KONTER (Andre) - Grebes of our World. Visiting all Species on Five
> Continents - 2001, 8vo. 187pp. Colour photographs, line drawings.  A
> description of the 22 species of grebes, their natural history,
> ecology
> and behaviour.
>
> Grebes of the World
> Malcolm Ogilvie
> The book starts with an authoritative introduction on the origin,
> evolution, distribution, physiology and behaviour of grebes, followed
> by
> accounts of each of the 22 species
>
> Malcolm it looks as though Konter might dispute that statement!
> --
> Rob
>
> In article <MPG.184f5eb42c4e3237989...@news.freeserve.net>, Rob Jack
> <kcajbornos...@lineone.net> writes
>
>
>
>
>
> >In article <vphauuo4g5p251r6l9l1hf7re8kblda...@4ax.com>,
> >M...@indaal.demon.co.uk says...
> >> On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 22:13:50 -0000, "peter kook"
> >> <msdl20...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >ROFL :-)
> >> You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
> >> Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
> >> My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
> >> and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
> >> is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.
> >> Malcolm
> >KONTER (Andre) - Grebes of our World. Visiting all Species on Five
> >Continents - 2001, 8vo. 187pp. Colour photographs, line drawings.  A
> >description of the 22 species of grebes, their natural history, ecology
> >and behaviour.
> >Grebes of the World
> >Malcolm Ogilvie
> >The book starts with an authoritative introduction on the origin,
> >evolution, distribution, physiology and behaviour of grebes, followed by
> >accounts of each of the 22 species
> >Malcolm it looks as though Konter might dispute that statement!
>
> Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter,
> but
> please note that you are replying to a forged message.
>
> Can I advise that people look at the headers of any messages
> purporting
> to come from me, now that Pete has started forging people's names and
> e-mail addresses again. The above message ID ends in @4ax. I post
> through Demon so mine end in @indaal.demon.co.uk, the same as my
> e-mail
> address. You'll also note that the forged message didn't have a
> Reply-to
> header line. Mine do.
>
> --
> Malcolm Ogilvie
>
> wrote:
>
> >Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter, but
> >please note that you are replying to a forged message.
>
> You're not the first academic to propagate an untruth in order to look
> good, and I doubt you'll be the last. A bit shabby though,
> particularly as it took you so long to own up.
>
> --
> Paul Rooney
>
> Quotes of the year from demon.local:
> "You *will* either disappear or post with a sig of
> 4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
> "Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"
>
> In article <6bsbuusm6dbrucb08dsh9purbq2l7ca...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
> <paulroo...@aol.com> writes
>
> >On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:01:13 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
> >wrote:
> >>Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter, but
> >>please note that you are replying to a forged message.
> >You're not the first academic to propagate an untruth in order to look
> >good, and I doubt you'll be the last. A bit shabby though,
> >particularly as it took you so long to own up.
>
> Hmm, I think you should look to your own behaviour before rushing to
> criticise others.
>
> The error I made was in a chatty piece about the actual writing of the
> book which I posted to a non-birdwatching newsgroup where I wasn't
> advertising the book and didn't even give the title of the book or the
> name of the publisher. You then chose to introduce the subject of
> books
> on grebes to this newsgroup by suggesting the other book as a good
> Christmas present without mentioning mine. This deliberate, even
> shabby,
> action of yours was perhaps not unconnected with the fact that, having
> a
> little while ago accidentally discovered, via a crosspost, the
> newsgroup
> in which I had posted my piece, you set about being deliberately
> disruptive, flooding it with nearly 700 messages in just four weeks,
> for
> which behaviour you have been rightly criticised by myself and many
> other regulars of that newsgroup.
>
> BTW, that's twice you've called me an academic. Why? It is my
> understanding that academics work in universities. I don't and never
> have.
>
> --
> Malcolm
>
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:22:13 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <6bsbuusm6dbrucb08dsh9purbq2l7ca...@4ax.com>, Paul Rooney
> ><paulroo...@aol.com> writes
> >>On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:01:13 +0000, Malcolm <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk>
> >>wrote:
> >>>Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter, but
> >>>please note that you are replying to a forged message.
> >>You're not the first academic to propagate an untruth in order to look
> >>good, and I doubt you'll be the last. A bit shabby though,
> >>particularly as it took you so long to own up.
> >Hmm, I think you should look to your own behaviour before rushing to
> >criticise others.
> >The error I made was in a chatty piece about the actual writing of the
> >book which I posted to a non-birdwatching newsgroup where I wasn't
> >advertising the book and didn't even give the title of the book or the
> >name of the publisher.
>
> You clearly and explicitly stated that yours was the first book on the
> subject, in the full knowledge that the topic had recently been
> covered very thoroughly in Konter's book.
> The facts speak for themselves. You are a liar who only had the grace
> to own up when you had been found out - you even persisted in giving
> the impression that you were the first to write it *after* I had drawn
> attention to your untruth. Your apology comes a little late.
> You do yourself no credit in introducing other, wholly irrelevant
> matters in order to deflect criticism from your behaviour. Shame on
> you.
>
> --
> Paul Rooney
>
> Quotes of the year from demon.local:
> "You *will* either disappear or post with a sig of
> 4 lines or less. There is no third possibility."
> "Apostrophe alert! Apostrophe alert!"
>
>
>
>
>
> "Malcolm" <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> > Hmm, I think you should look to your own behaviour before rushing to
> > criticise others.
> > The error I made was in a chatty piece about the actual writing of the
> > book which I posted to a non-birdwatching newsgroup where I wasn't
> > advertising the book and didn't even give the title of the book or the
> > name of the publisher. You then chose to introduce the subject of books
> > on grebes to this newsgroup by suggesting the other book as a good
> > Christmas present without mentioning mine. This deliberate, even shabby,
> > action of yours was perhaps not unconnected with the fact that, having a
> > little while ago accidentally discovered, via a crosspost, the newsgroup
> > in which I had posted my piece, you set about being deliberately
> > disruptive, flooding it with nearly 700 messages in just four weeks, for
> > which behaviour you have been rightly criticised by myself and many
> > other regulars of that newsgroup.
> > BTW, that's twice you've called me an academic. Why? It is my
> > understanding that academics work in universities. I don't and never
> > have.
> > --
> > Malcolm
>
> --
>
> Avoid the rush at the last judgement. Be converted now instead!
>
> PRAYER FOR A NATION
>
> When Pastor Joe Wright, of Central Christian Church, was asked
> to open the new session of the Kansas Senate, everyone was expecting
>  the usual politically correct generalities.
> But what they heard instead was this:
>
> Heavenly Father, we come before You today to ask Your forgiveness
> and seek your direction and guidance.
> We know Your Word says,
> ‘Woe on those who call evil good,’ but that’s exactly what we have done.
> We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and inverted our values.
>
> We confess that:
>
> We have ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word and called it pluralism;
>
> We have, worshipped other gods and called it multiculturalism;
>
> We have endorsed perversion and called it an alternative lifestyle;
>
> We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery;
>
> We have neglected the needy and called it self-preservation;
>
> We have killed our unborn and called it choice;
>
> We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self-esteem;
>
> We have abused power and called it political savvy;
>
> We have coveted our neighbour’s possessions and called it ambition;
>
> We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression;
>
> We have ridiculed the time-honoured values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.
>
> Search us, 0 God, and know our hearts today; try us and see if there be some wicked way in us;
> cleanse us from every sin and set us free. Guide and bless these men and women who have
> been sent here by the people of Kansas, and who have been ordained by You, to govern this great state.
>
> Grant them Your wisdom to rule and may their decisions direct us to the centre of Your will. I ask it in the name of Your Son, the Living Saviour, Jesus Christ. Amen.”
>
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