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NightSerf wrote:

> It wouldn't be necessary to "blind" the driver to get a pic of
> the face.  For one thing, the flash would have to be positioned
> in a different spot than the camera or the camera would only
> capture the return of the flash from the windshield.  The flash
> would be located well away from any spot that the driver would
> be likely to focus on at the time.  Also, the frequency of the
> light the flash emits could be chosen to minimize the
> after-image.
>
> That being said, the response just before yours does confirm
> that it is the rear of the car that is photographed, leaving it
> up the the owner of the car to either identify the driver or
> accept the ticket.
>
> This brings up a problem with the camera:  moving citations
> have always been issued to the offending driver, not the car's
> owner.  The burden of proof lies with the prosecution, and
> while the camera provides evidence that a light was run by a
> specific car, it does not identify the driver.  What happens if
> someone is driving the car without the knowledge or permission
> of the owner?  Does the burder shift or does the Commonwealth
> still have to prove that the owner was at the wheel?
>
> In va.general Paul R <prouda@asqnet.gro> wrote:
> > I would hope that the people who set up these cameras would have
> > the good sense not to set off a flash right in the eyes of a driver.
>
> > Cameras are being placed at busy intersections.  Running a red
> > light at a busy intersection is a pretty lame-brained thing to do.
> > But running it blind has got to be worse.  You'd hope that the
> > cameras weren't positioned to blind the lame-brain that's
> > running the red light.
>

What about night vision technology?

>
> > Paul R
>
> > "NightSerf" <acs6j@Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
> > news:9fpd7u$b8j$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...
> > > You may be right.  My thinking was that a night camera, in order
> > > to photograph the car along with the front plate and the
> > > driver's face, would have to flash at the front of the car.  If
> > > that's true, then flashes in the rear view mirror would be
> > > catching someone moving through the intersection from the
> > > opposite direction.  But if the camera is photographing the
> > > rear of the car, then a flash in the rear view mirror would be
> > > doing just as you said.
> > >
> > > A year or so ago, someone posted that his daughter had been
> > > nabbed while cutting classes, which is what made me believe
> > > that the cameras were positioned so as to photograph the driver
> > > as well as the license plate.  Not so?
> > >
> > > In va.general John R Cambron <*cambronj@chesapeake.net*> wrote:
> > >
> > > > NightSerf wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In va.general Ken M. <poboxdc@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > > > > natejax wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > I was just driving it was dark and rainy out, I was one of a few
> > cars
> > > > > > > going through on a yellow, in my rearview mirror i saw 2 bright
> > > > > > > flashes and was thinking i may be at risk for getting a ticket for
> > the
> > > > > > > red light camera, i had heard that these tickets do not carry
> > points
> > > > > > > in the state of VA, is that correct?  ive searched google and the
> > web
> > > > > > > and could not get a straight answer though it seems that this is
> > the
> > > > > > > case. please advise.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanks in advance.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Get ready to pay a fine!
> > > > >
> > > > > > (ken)
> > > > >
> > > > > Not necesarily.  What Nate saw may have been flashes from a
> > > > > camera catching some one going through from the opposite
> > > > > direction.  If he was most of the way through before the light
> > > > > turned red--he didn't mention seeing the red light--he was
> > > > > probably not captured.
> > >
> > > > If he saw flashes in his "rearview" mirror it is likely either he
> > > > or some one behind him was caught. I have seen the same flashes
> > > > after clearing the intersection when I entered intersection after
> > > > the light turned yellow and other car entered the intersection
> > > > during yellow and red.
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>
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