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"tim" <tim@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Watched Costello last week on the 7-30 report. Carried himself very
> well.
>
> I thought there was going to be a debate with Costello and Swan on
> Sunday night but nothing on the ABC or any other channel. How
> disappointing.
>
> I think if Costello had a debate with Rudd, Costello would easily beat
> Rudd in any debate.
>
> Looks like Rudd will win easily, and then it will take Rudd about two
> years to mess up the economy. Costello will then lose the next federal
> election due to the ALP winning by the biggest landslide in 2007. This
> will take a couple of elections to come back from.
>
> Turnball to lead the Libs back into government in 2013 and then run a
> strong economy. He seems a man with a good brain and has the x factor
> where no other polition does in either party.
>
> I think if the Libs moved to Costello now they may have a chance at
> this years election. The ALP dropped Hayden for Hawke 4 weeks out from
> the 1983 federal election.
>
> If the Libs put in Turnball and Boshop on the ticket then this would
> show up Rudd and Gillard and I think the polls would turn quite
> dramatically.
>
> Howards been a great PM. Time looks up for him. Hope the Libs don't go
> with the flow because it could be a nightmare landslide against them
> if they just let it flow as is the case now.
>

#  I agree mostly with your analysis and predictions.
   The Libs look like losing in a landslide, but might have a chance by
switch in leadership even at this late stage.
   On the other hand, if Costello was made leader, who would replace him as
treasurer?  Costello is less popular with the electorate than Howard,
according to polls - but would installing Turnball now, make the difference?
   Probably, the "It's time!" factor is at work, and whatever the Coalition
does, it is doomed - people want a change of govt, on matter what.
   Incidentally, I heard that the intended debate of Costello vs. Swan is
scheduled for tomorrow, Tuesday, on ABC-TV - but can't be sure.  Please
check.

"Don H" <donlhumphries@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> "tim" <tim@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Watched Costello last week on the 7-30 report. Carried himself very
>> well.
>>
>> I thought there was going to be a debate with Costello and Swan on
>> Sunday night but nothing on the ABC or any other channel. How
>> disappointing.
>>
>> I think if Costello had a debate with Rudd, Costello would easily beat
>> Rudd in any debate.
>>
>> Looks like Rudd will win easily, and then it will take Rudd about two
>> years to mess up the economy. Costello will then lose the next federal
>> election due to the ALP winning by the biggest landslide in 2007. This
>> will take a couple of elections to come back from.
>>
>> Turnball to lead the Libs back into government in 2013 and then run a
>> strong economy. He seems a man with a good brain and has the x factor
>> where no other polition does in either party.
>>
>> I think if the Libs moved to Costello now they may have a chance at
>> this years election. The ALP dropped Hayden for Hawke 4 weeks out from
>> the 1983 federal election.
>>
>> If the Libs put in Turnball and Boshop on the ticket then this would
>> show up Rudd and Gillard and I think the polls would turn quite
>> dramatically.
>>
>> Howards been a great PM. Time looks up for him. Hope the Libs don't go
>> with the flow because it could be a nightmare landslide against them
>> if they just let it flow as is the case now.
>>
>
> #  I agree mostly with your analysis and predictions.
>   The Libs look like losing in a landslide, but might have a chance by
> switch in leadership even at this late stage.
>   On the other hand, if Costello was made leader, who would replace him as
> treasurer?  Costello is less popular with the electorate than Howard,
> according to polls - but would installing Turnball now, make the difference?
>   Probably, the "It's time!" factor is at work, and whatever the Coalition
> does, it is doomed - people want a change of govt, on matter what.
>   Incidentally, I heard that the intended debate of Costello vs. Swan is
> scheduled for tomorrow, Tuesday, on ABC-TV - but can't be sure.  Please
> check.

I can't find a telecast mentioned anywhere - not in the articles following the 
announcement, not on the ABC website (just says 7.30 Report), and not on the Sky 
News website.

"tim" <tim@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> Watched Costello last week on the 7-30 report. Carried himself very
> well.

Not really. Smug and smirking as usual.

> I thought there was going to be a debate with Costello and Swan on
> Sunday night but nothing on the ABC or any other channel. How
> disappointing.

Tomorrow.

> I think if Costello had a debate with Rudd, Costello would easily beat
> Rudd in any debate.

Academic point. Party leaders do not debate party deputy leaders.

> Looks like Rudd will win easily, and then it will take Rudd about two
> years to mess up the economy.

As Rudd says, you think the sky will fall in with a Labor government. The last 
one was elected five times in a row, so that view is a bit hard to fathom.

> Costello will then lose the next federal
> election due to the ALP winning by the biggest landslide in 2007. This
> will take a couple of elections to come back from.
>
> Turnball to lead the Libs back into government in 2013

An eternity away in politics. Don't waste your time thinking about it.

> and then run a
> strong economy. He seems a man with a good brain and has the x factor
> where no other polition does in either party.
>
> I think if the Libs moved to Costello now they may have a chance at
> this years election.

It wouldn't make any difference. People already know they'd be voting for Howard 
and then getting Costello.

> The ALP dropped Hayden for Hawke 4 weeks out from
> the 1983 federal election.

Hawke was very popular. Costello isn't.

> If the Libs put in Turnball and Boshop

Bishop? Julie Bishop? (You couldn't possibly mean Bronwyn.)

> on the ticket then this would
> show up Rudd and Gillard and I think the polls would turn quite
> dramatically.

Why?

> Howards been a great PM.

No, he's been an awful PM. A disgrace.

> Time looks up for him.

And it's about time it was.

> Hope the Libs don't go
> with the flow because it could be a nightmare landslide against them
> if they just let it flow as is the case now.

A nightmare landslide is exactly what they, and Howard in particular, deserve.

tim wrote:
> Watched Costello last week on the 7-30 report. Carried himself very
> well.
> 
> I thought there was going to be a debate with Costello and Swan on
> Sunday night but nothing on the ABC or any other channel. How
> disappointing.
> 
> I think if Costello had a debate with Rudd, Costello would easily beat
> Rudd in any debate.
> 
> Looks like Rudd will win easily, and then it will take Rudd about two
> years to mess up the economy. Costello will then lose the next federal
> election due to the ALP winning by the biggest landslide in 2007. This
> will take a couple of elections to come back from.
> 
> Turnball to lead the Libs back into government in 2013 and then run a
> strong economy. He seems a man with a good brain and has the x factor
> where no other polition does in either party.
> 
> I think if the Libs moved to Costello now they may have a chance at
> this years election. The ALP dropped Hayden for Hawke 4 weeks out from
> the 1983 federal election. 
> 
> If the Libs put in Turnball and Boshop on the ticket then this would
> show up Rudd and Gillard and I think the polls would turn quite
> dramatically. 
> 
> Howards been a great PM. Time looks up for him. Hope the Libs don't go
> with the flow because it could be a nightmare landslide against them
> if they just let it flow as is the case now.
> 

TurnBull could have the slogan

A vote for Turnbull ia a Vote for the Environment
or maybe
No Bull, vote Turnbull

son of a bitch wrote:
> tim wrote:
>> Watched Costello last week on the 7-30 report. Carried himself very
>> well.
>>
>> I thought there was going to be a debate with Costello and Swan on
>> Sunday night but nothing on the ABC or any other channel. How
>> disappointing.
>>
>> I think if Costello had a debate with Rudd, Costello would easily beat
>> Rudd in any debate.
>>
>> Looks like Rudd will win easily, and then it will take Rudd about two
>> years to mess up the economy. Costello will then lose the next federal
>> election due to the ALP winning by the biggest landslide in 2007. This
>> will take a couple of elections to come back from.
>>
>> Turnball to lead the Libs back into government in 2013 and then run a
>> strong economy. He seems a man with a good brain and has the x factor
>> where no other polition does in either party.
>>
>> I think if the Libs moved to Costello now they may have a chance at
>> this years election. The ALP dropped Hayden for Hawke 4 weeks out from
>> the 1983 federal election.
>> If the Libs put in Turnball and Boshop on the ticket then this would
>> show up Rudd and Gillard and I think the polls would turn quite
>> dramatically.
>> Howards been a great PM. Time looks up for him. Hope the Libs don't go
>> with the flow because it could be a nightmare landslide against them
>> if they just let it flow as is the case now.
>>
> 
> TurnBull could have the slogan
> 
> A vote for Turnbull ia a Vote for the Environment
> or maybe
> No Bull, vote Turnbull
> 
> 

Turnbull is being used as the fall guy on environment, pretty soon even 
the faithful will see through him. Even those who like him will have to 
be prepared to see him retire to whatever oblivion this sacrifice 
condemns him to. Maybe the libs think we will swallow it or maybe it's 
Turnbull's big test - if he can pass off that crap he can proceed to the 
next level... Bob Hawke style.

On Oct 29, 3:18 am, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Watched Costello last week on the 7-30 report. Carried himself very
> well.
>
> I thought there was going to be a debate with Costello and Swan on
> Sunday night but nothing on the ABC or any other channel. How
> disappointing.
>
> I think if Costello had a debate with Rudd, Costello would easily beat
> Rudd in any debate.
>

Personally, I doubt it. Rudd could simply invite Costello to develop
his ideas on why the banks have no business putting up rates. If Swan
has half a brain, he'll ask Costello that. There's no answer Costello
can give to that which doesn't make him look less credible.

I believe a more interesting debate would be between either John
Howard or Peter Costello and Malcolm Turnbull to see who should get
the job of leading the Liberal Party on the other side of the
election.

Maybe all three coul make their pitch -- Howard for 18 months,
Costello and Turnbull for three years.

Fran

"David W" <no@email.provided> wrote in message
> "Don H" <donlhumphries@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>   Incidentally, I heard that the intended debate of Costello vs. Swan is
>> scheduled for tomorrow, Tuesday, on ABC-TV - but can't be sure.  Please
>> check.
>
> I can't find a telecast mentioned anywhere - not in the articles following the 
> announcement, not on the ABC website (just says 7.30 Report), and not on the 
> Sky News website.

It's at 12.30 pm on ABC TV.

Clueless Commie deadbeat Fran wrote:
> On Oct 29, 3:18 am, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > Watched Costello last week on the 7-30 report. Carried himself very
> > well.
> >
> > I thought there was going to be a debate with Costello and Swan on
> > Sunday night but nothing on the ABC or any other channel. How
> > disappointing.
> >
> > I think if Costello had a debate with Rudd, Costello would easily beat
> > Rudd in any debate.
> >
>
> Personally, I doubt it. Rudd could simply invite Costello to develop
> his ideas on why the banks have no business putting up rates. If Swan
> has half a brain, he'll ask Costello that. There's no answer Costello
> can give to that which doesn't make him look less credible.

Are you an idiot, Flan? The banks have no business putting up rates
because its not their prerogative. Its the role of the Reserve Bank.

> I believe a more interesting debate would be between either John
> Howard or Peter Costello and Malcolm Turnbull to see who should get
> the job of leading the Liberal Party on the other side of the
> election.
>
> Maybe all three coul make their pitch -- Howard for 18 months,
> Costello and Turnbull for three years.

Maybe you could get a clue.

On Oct 29, 12:22 pm, Little Johnny Howard <pmjwhow...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Clueless Commie deadbeat Fran wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 3:18 am, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > Watched Costello last week on the 7-30 report. Carried himself very
> > > well.
>
> > > I thought there was going to be a debate with Costello and Swan on
> > > Sunday night but nothing on the ABC or any other channel. How
> > > disappointing.
>
> > > I think if Costello had a debate with Rudd, Costello would easily beat
> > > Rudd in any debate.
>
> > Personally, I doubt it. Rudd could simply invite Costello to develop
> > his ideas on why the banks have no business putting up rates. If Swan
> > has half a brain, he'll ask Costello that. There's no answer Costello
> > can give to that which doesn't make him look less credible.
>
> Are you an idiot, Flan? The banks have no business putting up rates
> because its not their prerogative.


Sure they do. The reserve bank is only the bank that does the official
cash rate to other banks. Private banks can charge their customers
what they like. Costello was lecturing them the other day saying that
in his opinion, they shouldn't put rates up. You're the one who is
clueless.

> Its the role of the Reserve Bank.
>
> > I believe a more interesting debate would be between either John
> > Howard or Peter Costello and Malcolm Turnbull to see who should get
> > the job of leading the Liberal Party on the other side of the
> > election.
>
> > Maybe all three coul make their pitch -- Howard for 18 months,
> > Costello and Turnbull for three years.
>
> Maybe you could get a clue

Pot, kettle, black ...

"Little Johnny Howard" <pmjwhoward@gmail.com> wrote in message
> Clueless Commie deadbeat Fran wrote:
>> On Oct 29, 3:18 am, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> > Watched Costello last week on the 7-30 report. Carried himself very
>> > well.
>> >
>> > I thought there was going to be a debate with Costello and Swan on
>> > Sunday night but nothing on the ABC or any other channel. How
>> > disappointing.
>> >
>> > I think if Costello had a debate with Rudd, Costello would easily beat
>> > Rudd in any debate.
>> >
>>
>> Personally, I doubt it. Rudd could simply invite Costello to develop
>> his ideas on why the banks have no business putting up rates. If Swan
>> has half a brain, he'll ask Costello that. There's no answer Costello
>> can give to that which doesn't make him look less credible.
>
> Are you an idiot, Flan? The banks have no business putting up rates
> because its not their prerogative. Its the role of the Reserve Bank.

The banks can do what they like. They aren't run by the government. Costello 
only thinks he can tell them what to do, which just goes to show how power has 
gone to his head.

>> I believe a more interesting debate would be between either John
>> Howard or Peter Costello and Malcolm Turnbull to see who should get
>> the job of leading the Liberal Party on the other side of the
>> election.
>>
>> Maybe all three coul make their pitch -- Howard for 18 months,
>> Costello and Turnbull for three years.
>
> Maybe you could get a clue.

Pardon?

On Oct 29, 3:18 am, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Watched Costello last week on the 7-30 report. Carried himself very
> well.
>
> I thought there was going to be a debate with Costello and Swan on
> Sunday night but nothing on the ABC or any other channel. How
> disappointing.
>
> I think if Costello had a debate with Rudd, Costello would easily beat
> Rudd in any debate.
>

Personally, I doubt it. Rudd could simply invite Costello to develop
his ideas on why the banks have no business putting up rates. If Swan
has half a brain, he'll ask Costello that. There's no answer Costello
can give to that which doesn't make him look less credible.

I believe a more interesting debate would be between either John
Howard or Peter Costello and Malcolm Turnbull to see who should get
the job of leading the Liberal Party on the other side of the
election.

Maybe all three coul make their pitch -- Howard for 18 months,
Costello and Turnbull for three years.

Fran

Fran wrote:

> I believe a more interesting debate would be between either John
> Howard or Peter Costello and Malcolm Turnbull to see who should get
> the job of leading the Liberal Party on the other side of the
> election.
>
> Maybe all three coul make their pitch -- Howard for 18 months,
> Costello and Turnbull for three years.

It's amazing to see all the turds rising to the top: Costello, Abbot,
and Turdball think they have what it takes to run the Liberal Party -
will they ever cotton-on to the fact that they are revolting
duplicitous turds, hated by the electorate, and chief instruments of
the Liberals' imminent demise?

(I didn't include Downer : he's much to funny to be a turd).

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:14:46 -0700, Arthur Brain
<arthur_brain@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>Fran wrote:
>
>> I believe a more interesting debate would be between either John
>> Howard or Peter Costello and Malcolm Turnbull to see who should get
>> the job of leading the Liberal Party on the other side of the
>> election.
>>
>> Maybe all three coul make their pitch -- Howard for 18 months,
>> Costello and Turnbull for three years.
>
>It's amazing to see all the turds rising to the top: Costello, Abbot,
>and Turdball think they have what it takes to run the Liberal Party -
>will they ever cotton-on to the fact that they are revolting
>duplicitous turds, hated by the electorate, and chief instruments of
>the Liberals' imminent demise?
>
>(I didn't include Downer : he's much to funny to be a turd).

I think you are worried that if theywere to be leaders Rudd would be
in trouble which is why you posyed what you did.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:11:48 GMT, "Don H" <donlhumphries@bigpond.com>
wrote:

>"tim" <tim@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:2oc9i314d15jo74ifj1jn702fa229r5r39@4ax.com...
>>
>> Watched Costello last week on the 7-30 report. Carried himself very
>> well.
>>
>> I thought there was going to be a debate with Costello and Swan on
>> Sunday night but nothing on the ABC or any other channel. How
>> disappointing.
>>
>> I think if Costello had a debate with Rudd, Costello would easily beat
>> Rudd in any debate.
>>
>> Looks like Rudd will win easily, and then it will take Rudd about two
>> years to mess up the economy. Costello will then lose the next federal
>> election due to the ALP winning by the biggest landslide in 2007. This
>> will take a couple of elections to come back from.
>>
>> Turnball to lead the Libs back into government in 2013 and then run a
>> strong economy. He seems a man with a good brain and has the x factor
>> where no other polition does in either party.
>>
>> I think if the Libs moved to Costello now they may have a chance at
>> this years election. The ALP dropped Hayden for Hawke 4 weeks out from
>> the 1983 federal election.
>>
>> If the Libs put in Turnball and Boshop on the ticket then this would
>> show up Rudd and Gillard and I think the polls would turn quite
>> dramatically.
>>
>> Howards been a great PM. Time looks up for him. Hope the Libs don't go
>> with the flow because it could be a nightmare landslide against them
>> if they just let it flow as is the case now.
>>
>
>#  I agree mostly with your analysis and predictions.
>   The Libs look like losing in a landslide, but might have a chance by
>switch in leadership even at this late stage.
>   On the other hand, if Costello was made leader, who would replace him as
>treasurer?  Costello is less popular with the electorate than Howard,

I think if Costello had Julie Bishop as his number two then this would
make a huge difference. Julia Bishop is a brilliant speaker and a good
brain and has personality. Turnball could be the treasurer, after all
he's been a successful merchant banker. I thik that team would swing
the vote around. Of course if that happened Howard would resign now
and they would lose his current seat to the ALP.

I think its worth taking a chance. As it is now the ALP will win
easily.

The LIBS will at least have control of the senate up to July next
year. The Libs could let Rudd lose and let him mess up the economy or
they could block his every move up to July. If they block Rudd the
economy will be fine up to July. If they let Rudd run amock then Rudd
will destroy the economy but the Libs will be blamed for agreeing with
Rudd.

If I was the Libs I'd block supply and force another election abot
March next year by which time Rudd will have broken all his promises
because he can't get anything through the house.

>according to polls - but would installing Turnball now, make the difference?
>   Probably, the "It's time!" factor is at work, and whatever the Coalition
>does, it is doomed - people want a change of govt, on matter what.
>   Incidentally, I heard that the intended debate of Costello vs. Swan is
>scheduled for tomorrow, Tuesday, on ABC-TV - but can't be sure.  Please
>check.

If its 12-30pm no one will be watching. Would be better if it was in
the 7-30pm time slot. I like watching the 7-30 report, the last of the
true current affair programs.

The Nerk wrote:
> On Oct 29, 12:22 pm, Little Johnny Howard <pmjwhow...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Clueless Commie deadbeat Fran wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On Oct 29, 3:18 am, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > > Watched Costello last week on the 7-30 report. Carried himself very
> > > > well.
> >
> > > > I thought there was going to be a debate with Costello and Swan on
> > > > Sunday night but nothing on the ABC or any other channel. How
> > > > disappointing.
> >
> > > > I think if Costello had a debate with Rudd, Costello would easily beat
> > > > Rudd in any debate.
> >
> > > Personally, I doubt it. Rudd could simply invite Costello to develop
> > > his ideas on why the banks have no business putting up rates. If Swan
> > > has half a brain, he'll ask Costello that. There's no answer Costello
> > > can give to that which doesn't make him look less credible.
> >
> > Are you an idiot, Flan? The banks have no business putting up rates
> > because its not their prerogative.
>
> Sure they do. The reserve bank is only the bank that does the official
> cash rate to other banks.

Exactly.

> Private banks can charge their customers what they like.

But they don't, do they?

> Costello was lecturing them the other day saying that
> in his opinion, they shouldn't put rates up. You're the one who is
> clueless.

See previous two points.

> > Its the role of the Reserve Bank.
> >
> > > I believe a more interesting debate would be between either John
> > > Howard or Peter Costello and Malcolm Turnbull to see who should get
> > > the job of leading the Liberal Party on the other side of the
> > > election.
> >
> > > Maybe all three coul make their pitch -- Howard for 18 months,
> > > Costello and Turnbull for three years.
> >
> > Maybe you could get a clue
>
> Pot, kettle, black ...

And the reason you call yourself a nerk is ...?

tim wrote:

> year. The Libs could let Rudd lose and let him mess up the economy or
> they could block his every move up to July.

You are a stupid parrot.

We have a strong, modern economy thanks to the reforms of Keating's
"labor" government.

The libs have added essentially nothing and subtracted a lot, in the
form of subsidies for crap like private health care and selling off
excellent money-making machines like Telstra.

The Workchoices bullshit is already hurting businesses and it will
only get worse while we wait for the entire mess to be rolled back..

tim wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:14:46 -0700, Arthur Brain
> <arthur_brain@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >It's amazing to see all the turds rising to the top: Costello, Abbot,
> >and Turdball think they have what it takes to run the Liberal Party -
> >will they ever cotton-on to the fact that they are revolting
> >duplicitous turds, hated by the electorate, and chief instruments of
> >the Liberals' imminent demise?
> >
> >(I didn't include Downer : he's much to funny to be a turd).
>
> I think you are worried that if theywere to be leaders Rudd would be
> in trouble which is why you posyed what you did.

Costello & Abbott spell trouble for the Liberals, not the Labor party.
Get rid of them and hire some people with brains.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:24:38 -0700, Arthur Brain
<arthur_brain@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>tim wrote:
>
>> year. The Libs could let Rudd lose and let him mess up the economy or
>> they could block his every move up to July.
>
>You are a stupid parrot.

You sound like a union thug. Keep it up as it will swing peopl eto the
Libs wih your foul language.

>
>We have a strong, modern economy thanks to the reforms of Keating's
>"labor" government.

hahaha, your a comedian now.

>
>The libs have added essentially nothing and subtracted a lot, in the
>form of subsidies for crap like private health care and selling off
>excellent money-making machines like Telstra.
>
>The Workchoices bullshit is already hurting businesses and it will
>only get worse while we wait for the entire mess to be rolled back..