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On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:43:22 GMT, gatehaus@albany.net wrote:

>Before anyone decides to fall for the glitzy advertising of
>Time Warner and signs up for cable internet access, you
>might want to peruse the web pages of a Capital District RR user who
>was apparently censored [and had his account terminated] for
>criticising Time Warner policies relative to software they would or
>would not allow users to utilize.
>
>The URL is http://www.wizvax.net/airborne/roadrunner/complaint.html


How sad...that anybody would care about something like this.  I am
getting RR service at the first possible moment it is available (which
ought to be this fall by their prediction).  This dial up crap is for
the birds.

- Chet Seidel
http://home.att.net/~chetter

Chet Seidel wrote:

> How sad...that anybody would care about something like this.  I am
> getting RR service at the first possible moment it is available (which
> ought to be this fall by their prediction).  This dial up crap is for
> the birds.

Sad to say I didnt' get to see the web site of the original poster's
complaint.  I was one of the first ten subscribers in the Binghamton NY
area to get RR.  I've never looked back. It's great.
jaZZ


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On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:39:50 GMT, Chetter@att.net (Chet Seidel) wrote:

>How sad...that anybody would care about something like this.  I am
>getting RR service at the first possible moment it is available (which
>ought to be this fall by their prediction).  This dial up crap is for
>the birds.
>
Businesses like the subservient, submissive types they can control
like so many mindless lemmings. 
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jaZZ <jaZZ@drunkenbastards.org>, in article
<35AD56D0.5BFB0ECB@drunkenbastards.org> wrote:

>Chet Seidel wrote:
>
>> How sad...that anybody would care about something like this.  I am
>> getting RR service at the first possible moment it is available (which
>> ought to be this fall by their prediction).  This dial up crap is for
>> the birds.
>
>Sad to say I didnt' get to see the web site of the original poster's
>complaint.  [...]

The URL is http://www.wizvax.net/airborne/roadrunner/complaint.html

Chet Seidel (Chetter@att.net) wrote:

>How sad...that anybody would care about something like this.  I am
>getting RR service at the first possible moment it is available (which
>ought to be this fall by their prediction).  This dial up crap is for
>the birds.

Actually, the sad part is that these things actually occur.  I agree
100% with you that cable connections are better than dial-up.  I would
go so far to say that they are in entirely seperate classes when it
comes to usefulness.

However, it because these services are so much better, and because
there is absolutely no competition in this field that these types of
abuses are taking place. 

Just how far do you think Niagra Mohawk would get if they told people
they will not support gas ovens any more because some people disuse
them and there could be an explosion that would damage their lines?
How far do you think would get if they decided to start peeking in
customer's windows to see if they still had a gas oven?  How far do
you think they would get if they shut off the people who complained?

These are the type of things that one company controling a given area
is trying to do, and its just plain wrong.  Someone had to stand up
and say so, and I am that person.


--
Willie Williams 
airborne@wizvax.net
http://www.wizvax.net/airborne/roadrunner/complaint.html

Chet Seidel (Chetter@att.net) wrote:

>I continue to tear up reading your woesome story.  Do you really think
>that Internet Service can be compared to basic utilities such as
>natural gas and electricity?  Internet service is a l-u-x-u-r-y.  

There was a time when people said that electricity was a luxury, when
telephone service was a luxury.  I spent more in internet connection
and services than I did in any other utility...  to me its necessary
and worth what I was paying.

Its less about not having Road Runner than it is a company exterting
undue control over its customers.  I won't allow Niagra Mohawk to tell
me what appliances I can and should use, I won't allow the gas station
on the corner to tell me what kind of car I should be driving, I won't
allow the phone company to tell me who I can and cannot speak to...
why should anyone assume that a cable company has that right?


--
Willie Williams 
airborne@wizvax.net
http://www.wizvax.net/airborne/roadrunner/complaint.html

On 16 Jul 1998 17:51:30 -0500, airborne@wizvax.net (Willie Williams)
wrote:

>Chet Seidel (Chetter@att.net) wrote:
>
>>How sad...that anybody would care about something like this.  I am
>>getting RR service at the first possible moment it is available (which
>>ought to be this fall by their prediction).  This dial up crap is for
>>the birds.
>
>Actually, the sad part is that these things actually occur.  I agree
>100% with you that cable connections are better than dial-up.  I would
>go so far to say that they are in entirely seperate classes when it
>comes to usefulness.
>
>However, it because these services are so much better, and because
>there is absolutely no competition in this field that these types of
>abuses are taking place. 
>
>Just how far do you think Niagra Mohawk would get if they told people
>they will not support gas ovens any more because some people disuse
>them and there could be an explosion that would damage their lines?
>How far do you think would get if they decided to start peeking in
>customer's windows to see if they still had a gas oven?  How far do
>you think they would get if they shut off the people who complained?
>
>These are the type of things that one company controling a given area
>is trying to do, and its just plain wrong.  Someone had to stand up
>and say so, and I am that person.


I continue to tear up reading your woesome story.  Do you really think
that Internet Service can be compared to basic utilities such as
natural gas and electricity?  Internet service is a l-u-x-u-r-y.  

Bob Reardon wrote;

> I know all too well about uncaring ISP's and their attempts to silence
> critics. I live in Glens Falls, NY and used to have Global1 (now
> Global2000) for my ISP. They had lots of trouble with their
> connections in Glens Falls, many times not exceeding 9600 baud or was
> completely down for hours at a time. They had a listserv mailing list
> called Go-Talk-Discussion that many of us would use to voice our
> complaints about their lousy connections.  They would always blame the
> problem on NYNEX or equipment not delivered and never once offered to
> give a pro-rated refund when the question was asked by dissatisfied
> customers. To top it all off they sold their domain name to a German
> ISP and became Global2000. This was a disaster for a few folks who had
> businesses with links all over the world to their web pages at
> Global1.

That's what happened.  I was following some sites including the Post Star
and all of a sudden I couldn't find these sites.  When this sort of thing
happens I am in the habit of following the chain to the source and all of a
sudden I am on some German site.  Always wondered what that was about. 
Wonder how much they got to sell thier identity.
 
> ISP's are a mostly unregulated business where you don't have much
> recourse when you get bad service other than to jump ship like I did
> with GlobalShitheads. TimeWarner has the cable franchise here in Glens
> Falls but they aren't talking about when they'll have the RoadRunner
> service, if they ever will.
> 


Thanks for solving one mystery Bob.

Regards,

Jim
whitelawNOSPAM@his.com
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airborne@wizvax.net (Willie Williams) wrote:

>Chet Seidel (Chetter@att.net) wrote:

>>How sad...that anybody would care about something like this.  I am
>>getting RR service at the first possible moment it is available (which
>>ought to be this fall by their prediction).  This dial up crap is for
>>the birds.

>Actually, the sad part is that these things actually occur.  I agree
>100% with you that cable connections are better than dial-up.  I would
>go so far to say that they are in entirely seperate classes when it
>comes to usefulness.

Why are they better?  I know cable connections are faster, but other
than that, what's more useful about them?

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!
sue at interport net

On 16 Jul 1998 20:54:01 -0500, airborne@wizvax.net (Willie Williams)
wrote:

>Chet Seidel (Chetter@att.net) wrote:
>
>>I continue to tear up reading your woesome story.  Do you really think
>>that Internet Service can be compared to basic utilities such as
>>natural gas and electricity?  Internet service is a l-u-x-u-r-y.  
>
>There was a time when people said that electricity was a luxury, when
>telephone service was a luxury.  I spent more in internet connection
>and services than I did in any other utility...  to me its necessary
>and worth what I was paying.
>
>Its less about not having Road Runner than it is a company exterting
>undue control over its customers. 

Of course they have control - they own something that you want, and
want so bad that you will exchange money for it.  You have got to let
go of this socialist dream of yours that Internet Service is a RIGHT.
It is a COMMODITY.  You DON'T own it, and Time Warner DOES own it.
When they don't want to SELL it to you they don't have to sell it to
you.  And when that happens you ought to just move on unless you have
some grand plans (which I suspect you do not)to purchase Time Warner
and change the rules.

- Chet Seidel
http://home.att.net/~chetter

Chet Seidel (Chetter@att.net) wrote:

>Of course they have control - they own something that you want, and
>want so bad that you will exchange money for it.  You have got to let
>go of this socialist dream of yours that Internet Service is a RIGHT.
>It is a COMMODITY.  You DON'T own it, and Time Warner DOES own it.
>When they don't want to SELL it to you they don't have to sell it to
>you.  And when that happens you ought to just move on unless you have
>some grand plans (which I suspect you do not)to purchase Time Warner
>and change the rules.

I never said internet service was a right, I never claimed it was
anything but a commodity.  However, you must realize its a monopoly
commodity.  There was a time when the telephone company owned all the
lines going into your home, and you HAD to buy or lease their
telephones to put on those lines.  You had to have permission for each
any every thing you connected to their lines.  These things are no
longer the case because it was found that the phone company was
exterting undue control over its customers.  The issue with the cable
modem is very much like that.  When a company has no competition, and
then uses their monopoly to control their consumers, its wrong.  It
doesn't matter what the commodity is, its still wrong.

I hope you're happy with the service you get.  I have never wished ill
will on anyone who uses the service.  But its important that you know
the business practices that Time Warner Road Runner is currently
engaged in because they will effect you if and when you are a
customer.  If you don't care for the warning, that's fine.  Ignore it
all you want.  I just hope they never overstep their boundries when
you're a customer.

--
Willie Williams 
airborne@wizvax.net
http://www.wizvax.net/airborne/roadrunner/complaint.html