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In article <I0VX7.10375$B61.4953680@news1.rsm1.occa.home.com>,
	"Mr_Smyth" <tryagain@smythville.com> writes:
> Does anyone know here if I will have to install their software when it comes
> out to keep my service up and running? The original @home software had a
> program
> called tioga that kept reporting (something) to an outside
> source. The browser they supplied was hokey also.

Few ISPs actually *REQUIRE* you to install their software. @Home
doesn't, for instance; I use them without using their software. I'd be
shocked if Cox required you to install their software, although it's
possible their kit will include software to configure necessary
settings but no instructions for doing it manually. If so, you might
have to find some way around that problem or install the software. I
have no inside knowledge, though; I'm guessing their software package
won't actually be required based on common industry practices (AOL
notwithstanding).

-- 
Rod Smith, rodsmith@rodsbooks.com
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration

I got rid of all the @home software after I did a port scan and found that
the tioga portion were actually two "trojan like" programs making a
gaping hole in my firewall. Just set up the TCP stuff yourself and use only
your own client software and everything will be fine.

--
Regards,
         Tom Gerhart
"Mr_Smyth" <tryagain@smythville.com> wrote in message
news:I0VX7.10375$B61.4953680@news1.rsm1.occa.home.com...
> Does anyone know here if I will have to install their software when it
comes
> out to keep my service up and running? The original @home software had a
> program
> called tioga that kept reporting (something) to an outside
> source. The browser they supplied was hokey also.
>
>

You will have to install the software to register your computer with the new
Cox.net service but their is nothing saying you can't uninstall it after you
have registered!  I have seen the Cox.Net cd and it includes a "healing agent"
that can put your network settings back to right if they get trashed with just a
couple of mouse clicks!  The Cox.net CD does not contain a browser having
learned the lesson from @home that an emasculated version of IE is worse than
anything!!!  The Cox.net CD will alter IE in on small detail.  It will put the
COX logo in the right hand corner where you see the IE logo now!!  Microsoft has
long allowed and encouraged companies to put their "branding" on the products!

Lloyd
Cox Tech Support

Mr_Smyth wrote:

> Does anyone know here if I will have to install their software when it comes
> out to keep my service up and running? The original @home software had a
> program
> called tioga that kept reporting (something) to an outside
> source. The browser they supplied was hokey also.

When will Omaha Nebraska kit the conversion kits and will it work with
windows xp?
"Lloyd Wayne Reece" <Lloyd@reece.net> wrote in message
news:3C314C9C.DEDF0FCC@reece.net...
> You will have to install the software to register your computer with the
new
> Cox.net service but their is nothing saying you can't uninstall it after
you
> have registered!  I have seen the Cox.Net cd and it includes a "healing
agent"
> that can put your network settings back to right if they get trashed with
just a
> couple of mouse clicks!  The Cox.net CD does not contain a browser having
> learned the lesson from @home that an emasculated version of IE is worse
than
> anything!!!  The Cox.net CD will alter IE in on small detail.  It will put
the
> COX logo in the right hand corner where you see the IE logo now!!
Microsoft has
> long allowed and encouraged companies to put their "branding" on the
products!
>
> Lloyd
> Cox Tech Support
>
> Mr_Smyth wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know here if I will have to install their software when it
comes
> > out to keep my service up and running? The original @home software had a
> > program
> > called tioga that kept reporting (something) to an outside
> > source. The browser they supplied was hokey also.
>

I mean get the kits.

"Andrew Wees" <wees41@home.com> wrote in message
news:TcdY7.201381$kf1.60319554@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com...
> When will Omaha Nebraska kit the conversion kits and will it work with
> windows xp?
> "Lloyd Wayne Reece" <Lloyd@reece.net> wrote in message
> news:3C314C9C.DEDF0FCC@reece.net...
> > You will have to install the software to register your computer with the
> new
> > Cox.net service but their is nothing saying you can't uninstall it after
> you
> > have registered!  I have seen the Cox.Net cd and it includes a "healing
> agent"
> > that can put your network settings back to right if they get trashed
with
> just a
> > couple of mouse clicks!  The Cox.net CD does not contain a browser
having
> > learned the lesson from @home that an emasculated version of IE is worse
> than
> > anything!!!  The Cox.net CD will alter IE in on small detail.  It will
put
> the
> > COX logo in the right hand corner where you see the IE logo now!!
> Microsoft has
> > long allowed and encouraged companies to put their "branding" on the
> products!
> >
> > Lloyd
> > Cox Tech Support
> >
> > Mr_Smyth wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone know here if I will have to install their software when it
> comes
> > > out to keep my service up and running? The original @home software had
a
> > > program
> > > called tioga that kept reporting (something) to an outside
> > > source. The browser they supplied was hokey also.
> >
>
>

Lloyd

With all do respect to your position with Cox Technical Support, where did
you get this information? Anything that will need to be done (which isn't
much) can be done manually by the average user. Of course this assumes
knowledge of how to change your mail and news account info, as well as IP
addy, DNS and Gateway info.
Not very hard and take all of 5 minutes.


"Lloyd Wayne Reece" <Lloyd@reece.net> wrote in message
news:3C314C9C.DEDF0FCC@reece.net...
> You will have to install the software to register your computer with the
new
> Cox.net service but their is nothing saying you can't uninstall it after
you
> have registered!  I have seen the Cox.Net cd and it includes a "healing
agent"
> that can put your network settings back to right if they get trashed with
just a
> couple of mouse clicks!  The Cox.net CD does not contain a browser having
> learned the lesson from @home that an emasculated version of IE is worse
than
> anything!!!  The Cox.net CD will alter IE in on small detail.  It will put
the
> COX logo in the right hand corner where you see the IE logo now!!
Microsoft has
> long allowed and encouraged companies to put their "branding" on the
products!
>
> Lloyd
> Cox Tech Support
>
> Mr_Smyth wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know here if I will have to install their software when it
comes
> > out to keep my service up and running? The original @home software had a
> > program
> > called tioga that kept reporting (something) to an outside
> > source. The browser they supplied was hokey also.
>

No clue as to when the kits will be sent.  It is all supposed to be happening
before the end if January if possible!

Andrew Wees wrote:

> I mean get the kits.
>
> "Andrew Wees" <wees41@home.com> wrote in message
> news:TcdY7.201381$kf1.60319554@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com...
> > When will Omaha Nebraska kit the conversion kits and will it work with
> > windows xp?
> > "Lloyd Wayne Reece" <Lloyd@reece.net> wrote in message
> > news:3C314C9C.DEDF0FCC@reece.net...
> > > You will have to install the software to register your computer with the
> > new
> > > Cox.net service but their is nothing saying you can't uninstall it after
> > you
> > > have registered!  I have seen the Cox.Net cd and it includes a "healing
> > agent"
> > > that can put your network settings back to right if they get trashed
> with
> > just a
> > > couple of mouse clicks!  The Cox.net CD does not contain a browser
> having
> > > learned the lesson from @home that an emasculated version of IE is worse
> > than
> > > anything!!!  The Cox.net CD will alter IE in on small detail.  It will
> put
> > the
> > > COX logo in the right hand corner where you see the IE logo now!!
> > Microsoft has
> > > long allowed and encouraged companies to put their "branding" on the
> > products!
> > >
> > > Lloyd
> > > Cox Tech Support
> > >
> > > Mr_Smyth wrote:
> > >
> > > > Does anyone know here if I will have to install their software when it
> > comes
> > > > out to keep my service up and running? The original @home software had
> a
> > > > program
> > > > called tioga that kept reporting (something) to an outside
> > > > source. The browser they supplied was hokey also.
> > >
> >
> >

Thanks for the respect I was just trying to answer some questions you all had.
I have had the internal training and I held the CD in my hands long enough to
take it home and look thru it.  Yes the conversion can be done manually but I
would not say that it could be done by the average user!  The average user now
days just wants to click on something and go!  I understand a lot of High Speed
Internet users are more knowledgeable (your assumptions are not most users)
than that and I am happy for them but believe me their is a whole chunk of
subscribers that readly and freely admit they know nothing about this computer
and just want their internet back!!  I hear it everyday.

No doubt the CD can be hacked.  But I was told that at some point in the next 2
months you will have to load the CD and register your computer with COX.  If you
can accomplish that without installing the software great!!  I am not sure you
can because the software is going to send all the necessary info to COX
directly.  Like I said before their is nothing saying you can't uninstall the
software 5 minutes after the regestriation process has been done!

One problem that I tried to commuicate back up the ladder that I think fell on
deaf ears is the fact that the CD install software is totally mouse dependant!
You have no keyboard stroke equivelents for any of the choices and if you are
visually impaired you are even more out of luck because 99% of all the text in
the install program is pure graphic and not text based at all so your screen
reading program will not see it!
Lloyd

PC Medic wrote:

> Lloyd
>
> With all do respect to your position with Cox Technical Support, where did
> you get this information? Anything that will need to be done (which isn't
> much) can be done manually by the average user. Of course this assumes
> knowledge of how to change your mail and news account info, as well as IP
> addy, DNS and Gateway info.
> Not very hard and take all of 5 minutes.
>
> "Lloyd Wayne Reece" <Lloyd@reece.net> wrote in message
> news:3C314C9C.DEDF0FCC@reece.net...
> > You will have to install the software to register your computer with the
> new
> > Cox.net service but their is nothing saying you can't uninstall it after
> you
> > have registered!  I have seen the Cox.Net cd and it includes a "healing
> agent"
> > that can put your network settings back to right if they get trashed with
> just a
> > couple of mouse clicks!  The Cox.net CD does not contain a browser having
> > learned the lesson from @home that an emasculated version of IE is worse
> than
> > anything!!!  The Cox.net CD will alter IE in on small detail.  It will put
> the
> > COX logo in the right hand corner where you see the IE logo now!!
> Microsoft has
> > long allowed and encouraged companies to put their "branding" on the
> products!
> >
> > Lloyd
> > Cox Tech Support
> >
> > Mr_Smyth wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone know here if I will have to install their software when it
> comes
> > > out to keep my service up and running? The original @home software had a
> > > program
> > > called tioga that kept reporting (something) to an outside
> > > source. The browser they supplied was hokey also.
> >

Lloyd -

I am told you can complete the registration process with your browser at
http://support.cox.net/migration/jsp/migrate.jsp  without needing to install 
the CD at all.

I don't have my code yet, but it would appear from the beginning of that 
page this is correct.

Ribbitt


Lloyd Wayne Reece <Lloyd@reece.net> wrote in
news:3C314C9C.DEDF0FCC@reece.net: 

> You will have to install the software to register your computer with
> the new Cox.net service but their is nothing saying you can't uninstall
> it after you have registered!  I have seen the Cox.Net cd and it
> includes a "healing agent" that can put your network settings back to
> right if they get trashed with just a couple of mouse clicks!  The
> Cox.net CD does not contain a browser having learned the lesson from
> @home that an emasculated version of IE is worse than anything!!!  The
> Cox.net CD will alter IE in on small detail.  It will put the COX logo
> in the right hand corner where you see the IE logo now!!  Microsoft has 
> long allowed and encouraged companies to put their "branding" on the
> products! 
> 
> Lloyd
> Cox Tech Support
> 
> Mr_Smyth wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know here if I will have to install their software when it
>> comes out to keep my service up and running? The original @home
>> software had a program called tioga that kept reporting (something) to
>> an outside source. The browser they supplied was hokey also. 
> 

Lloyd Wayne Reece <Lloyd@reece.net> wrote in
news:3C334AC0.7C6370B@reece.net: 

> Thanks for the respect I was just trying to answer some questions you
> all had. I have had the internal training and I held the CD in my hands
> long enough to take it home and look thru it.  Yes the conversion can
> be done manually but I would not say that it could be done by the
> average user!  The average user now days just wants to click on
> something and go!  

This is something many people here don't understand.  Those of us who prefer 
to manage our own computers and handle our own settings are a SMALL 
minority.  The vast majority of users think a DHCP server is a waiter at the 
Department of Housing and Consumer Products cafeteria and get all confused 
when you ask them to do complex things like "right click".

> I understand a lot of High Speed Internet users are
> more knowledgeable (your assumptions are not most users) than that and
> I am happy for them but believe me their is a whole chunk of 
> subscribers that readly and freely admit they know nothing about this
> computer and just want their internet back!!  I hear it everyday.

I got an email from a woman in my church who is also an @home user last week 
who said that she no longer had web access.  She also copied a half-dozen 
other church members (also @home users)  From her description it was clear 
she just didn't know how to do anything without that "excite@home" start 
page.  I replied to her and the other people she sent the letter to and 
explained how to get to the new cox.net site and make it her default page.  
I got FOUR responses thanking me for the help becuse none of the four could 
figure it out and all thought that they had lost web access after the Excite 
portal closed down.  These are NOT stupid people . . .  every one of them 
has a college degree . . .  they just aren't computer people.
 
> No doubt the CD can be hacked.  But I was told that at some point in
> the next 2 months you will have to load the CD and register your
> computer with COX.  If you can accomplish that without installing the
> software great!! 

Once again, I think you can do it at 
http://support.cox.net/migration/jsp/migrate.jsp

> I am not sure you can because the software is going
> to send all the necessary info to COX directly.  Like I said before
> their is nothing saying you can't uninstall the software 5 minutes
> after the regestriation process has been done! 

My problem as a power user is that ISP software also tends to do little 
things to network settings that can be painful to reestablish, and I am one 
of those folks who insists on knowing exactly what changes are being made to 
my machine.  If it turns out that the CD is a requirement I'll throw a spare 
hard drive in my machine, do a defalut installation of Windows on it, then 
put my real drive back in.

Thanks for the info though.

Ribbitt.

Thanks for the link.  I believe you are right about being able to register your
computer on line!!!  A much better alternative for those who know how to handle
it!
I was afraid Cox was not going to offer a less obtrusive way.  As usual the
training lags the reality just a shade!  This is a much better way!!!  Will
allow all those users who know how to do something besides point and click to
get on with their connections!
Thanks for the heads up!
Lloyd

Greenfrog wrote:

> Lloyd -
>
> I am told you can complete the registration process with your browser at
> http://support.cox.net/migration/jsp/migrate.jsp  without needing to install
> the CD at all.
>
> I don't have my code yet, but it would appear from the beginning of that
> page this is correct.
>
> Ribbitt
>
> Lloyd Wayne Reece <Lloyd@reece.net> wrote in
> news:3C314C9C.DEDF0FCC@reece.net:
>
> > You will have to install the software to register your computer with
> > the new Cox.net service but their is nothing saying you can't uninstall
> > it after you have registered!  I have seen the Cox.Net cd and it
> > includes a "healing agent" that can put your network settings back to
> > right if they get trashed with just a couple of mouse clicks!  The
> > Cox.net CD does not contain a browser having learned the lesson from
> > @home that an emasculated version of IE is worse than anything!!!  The
> > Cox.net CD will alter IE in on small detail.  It will put the COX logo
> > in the right hand corner where you see the IE logo now!!  Microsoft has
> > long allowed and encouraged companies to put their "branding" on the
> > products!
> >
> > Lloyd
> > Cox Tech Support
> >
> > Mr_Smyth wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone know here if I will have to install their software when it
> >> comes out to keep my service up and running? The original @home
> >> software had a program called tioga that kept reporting (something) to
> >> an outside source. The browser they supplied was hokey also.
> >

In <3C3503C6.3A877493@reece.net>, Lloyd Wayne Reece <Lloyd@reece.net> writes:

>>
>> Lloyd Wayne Reece <Lloyd@reece.net> wrote in
>> news:3C314C9C.DEDF0FCC@reece.net:
>>
>> > You will have to install the software to register your computer with
>> > the new Cox.net service but their is nothing saying you can't uninstall
>> > it after you have registered!  I have seen the Cox.Net cd and it
>> > includes a "healing agent" that can put your network settings back to
>> > right if they get trashed with just a couple of mouse clicks!  The
>> > Cox.net CD does not contain a browser having learned the lesson from
>> > @home that an emasculated version of IE is worse than anything!!!  The
>> > Cox.net CD will alter IE in on small detail.  It will put the COX logo
>> > in the right hand corner where you see the IE logo now!!  Microsoft has
>> > long allowed and encouraged companies to put their "branding" on the
>> > products!
>> >
>> > Lloyd
>> > Cox Tech Support
>> >
>> > Mr_Smyth wrote:
>> >
>> >> Does anyone know here if I will have to install their software when it
>> >> comes out to keep my service up and running? The original @home
>> >> software had a program called tioga that kept reporting (something) to
>> >> an outside source. The browser they supplied was hokey also.
>> >
>

Haven't registered yet but swung the 
newsreader over to <<news.west.cox.net>>

Speed today isn't quite what we had 
with @home but it's all coming from 
one server right now.  Things look 
like they are going to go well -- even
for us folks who use off beat systems.

Paul Hine
posted with NR/2 v2.0
<< paul.nospamuop2@homenospam.com >>

"Paul Hine" <paul.nospamuop2@homenospam.com> wrote in message
news:wQl%7.10$N93.10265@news1.east.cox.net...
> In <3C3503C6.3A877493@reece.net>, Lloyd Wayne Reece <Lloyd@reece.net>
writes:
>
> >>
> >> Lloyd Wayne Reece <Lloyd@reece.net> wrote in
> >> news:3C314C9C.DEDF0FCC@reece.net:
> >>
> >> > You will have to install the software to register your computer with
> >> > the new Cox.net service but their is nothing saying you can't
uninstall
> >> > it after you have registered!  I have seen the Cox.Net cd and it
> >> > includes a "healing agent" that can put your network settings back to
> >> > right if they get trashed with just a couple of mouse clicks!  The
> >> > Cox.net CD does not contain a browser having learned the lesson from
> >> > @home that an emasculated version of IE is worse than anything!!!
The
> >> > Cox.net CD will alter IE in on small detail.  It will put the COX
logo
> >> > in the right hand corner where you see the IE logo now!!  Microsoft
has
> >> > long allowed and encouraged companies to put their "branding" on the
> >> > products!
> >> >
> >> > Lloyd
> >> > Cox Tech Support
> >> >
> >> > Mr_Smyth wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Does anyone know here if I will have to install their software when
it
> >> >> comes out to keep my service up and running? The original @home
> >> >> software had a program called tioga that kept reporting (something)
to
> >> >> an outside source. The browser they supplied was hokey also.
> >> >
> >
>
No you do not have to run the CD!! Though many at their help desk will try
to convince you otherwise.
For more info see http://support.cox.net/custsup/advanceuser.shtml here.

Lloyd,
I wonder if you can give me a clue as to what happened in this case: I
followed Cox's "migration" instructions, used the CD and loaded the
software. Once everything was working, I uninstalled all the Cox
software. The next time I rebooted there was no connection, and
ipconfig revealed that I was set back to my old @home ip address. I
manually entered the new ip address and gateway (that I had received
after converting) in the "alternate" tab in tcp/ip properties, and
regained the connection. It's been good for about 12 hours now, but
I'm wondering how long this will last considering ip addresses are
supposed to expire every four hours with the Cox system. . . (using
Windows XP).
Thanks in advance for any info. you can provide!
Suellen

Lloyd Wayne Reece <Lloyd@reece.net> wrote in message news:<3C334AC0.7C6370B@reece.net>...
> Thanks for the respect I was just trying to answer some questions you all had.
> I have had the internal training and I held the CD in my hands long enough to
> take it home and look thru it.  Yes the conversion can be done manually but I
> would not say that it could be done by the average user!  The average user now
> days just wants to click on something and go!  I understand a lot of High Speed
> Internet users are more knowledgeable (your assumptions are not most users)
> than that and I am happy for them but believe me their is a whole chunk of
> subscribers that readly and freely admit they know nothing about this computer
> and just want their internet back!!  I hear it everyday.
> 
> No doubt the CD can be hacked.  But I was told that at some point in the next 2
> months you will have to load the CD and register your computer with COX.  If you
> can accomplish that without installing the software great!!  I am not sure you
> can because the software is going to send all the necessary info to COX
> directly.  Like I said before their is nothing saying you can't uninstall the
> software 5 minutes after the regestriation process has been done!
> 
> One problem that I tried to commuicate back up the ladder that I think fell on
> deaf ears is the fact that the CD install software is totally mouse dependant!
> You have no keyboard stroke equivelents for any of the choices and if you are
> visually impaired you are even more out of luck because 99% of all the text in
> the install program is pure graphic and not text based at all so your screen
> reading program will not see it!
> Lloyd
> 
> PC Medic wrote:
> 
> > Lloyd
> >
> > With all do respect to your position with Cox Technical Support, where did
> > you get this information? Anything that will need to be done (which isn't
> > much) can be done manually by the average user. Of course this assumes
> > knowledge of how to change your mail and news account info, as well as IP
> > addy, DNS and Gateway info.
> > Not very hard and take all of 5 minutes.
> >
> > "Lloyd Wayne Reece" <Lloyd@reece.net> wrote in message
> > news:3C314C9C.DEDF0FCC@reece.net...
> > > You will have to install the software to register your computer with the
>  new
> > > Cox.net service but their is nothing saying you can't uninstall it after
>  you
> > > have registered!  I have seen the Cox.Net cd and it includes a "healing
>  agent"
> > > that can put your network settings back to right if they get trashed with
>  just a
> > > couple of mouse clicks!  The Cox.net CD does not contain a browser having
> > > learned the lesson from @home that an emasculated version of IE is worse
>  than
> > > anything!!!  The Cox.net CD will alter IE in on small detail.  It will put
>  the
> > > COX logo in the right hand corner where you see the IE logo now!!
>  Microsoft has
> > > long allowed and encouraged companies to put their "branding" on the
>  products!
> > >
> > > Lloyd
> > > Cox Tech Support
> > >
> > > Mr_Smyth wrote:
> > >
> > > > Does anyone know here if I will have to install their software when it
>  comes
> > > > out to keep my service up and running? The original @home software had a
> > > > program
> > > > called tioga that kept reporting (something) to an outside
> > > > source. The browser they supplied was hokey also.
> > >

  What the lease expiration means is that if you are off the network for
more than 4 hours (PC shut off, etc...) you will get a different IP next
time you  boot up. As long as the PC remains on and is connected to the
network, it will renew its lease on the same IP address. 
   The reason your IP went back to the old one was you uninstalled the
software; undoing the changes made when you ran it. As long as your PC
is set to obtain an IP automatically, you should be fine without the
software anyway.


Suellen wrote:
> 
> Lloyd,
> I wonder if you can give me a clue as to what happened in this case: I
> followed Cox's "migration" instructions, used the CD and loaded the
> software. Once everything was working, I uninstalled all the Cox
> software. The next time I rebooted there was no connection, and
> ipconfig revealed that I was set back to my old @home ip address. I
> manually entered the new ip address and gateway (that I had received
> after converting) in the "alternate" tab in tcp/ip properties, and
> regained the connection. It's been good for about 12 hours now, but
> I'm wondering how long this will last considering ip addresses are
> supposed to expire every four hours with the Cox system. . . (using
> Windows XP).
> Thanks in advance for any info. you can provide!
> Suellen
> 
> Lloyd Wayne Reece <Lloyd@reece.net> wrote in message news:<3C334AC0.7C6370B@reece.net>...
> > Thanks for the respect I was just trying to answer some questions you all had.
> > I have had the internal training and I held the CD in my hands long enough to
> > take it home and look thru it.  Yes the conversion can be done manually but I
> > would not say that it could be done by the average user!  The average user now
> > days just wants to click on something and go!  I understand a lot of High Speed
> > Internet users are more knowledgeable (your assumptions are not most users)
> > than that and I am happy for them but believe me their is a whole chunk of
> > subscribers that readly and freely admit they know nothing about this computer
> > and just want their internet back!!  I hear it everyday.
> >
> > No doubt the CD can be hacked.  But I was told that at some point in the next 2
> > months you will have to load the CD and register your computer with COX.  If you
> > can accomplish that without installing the software great!!  I am not sure you
> > can because the software is going to send all the necessary info to COX
> > directly.  Like I said before their is nothing saying you can't uninstall the
> > software 5 minutes after the regestriation process has been done!
> >
> > One problem that I tried to commuicate back up the ladder that I think fell on
> > deaf ears is the fact that the CD install software is totally mouse dependant!
> > You have no keyboard stroke equivelents for any of the choices and if you are
> > visually impaired you are even more out of luck because 99% of all the text in
> > the install program is pure graphic and not text based at all so your screen
> > reading program will not see it!
> > Lloyd
> >
> > PC Medic wrote:
> >
> > > Lloyd
> > >
> > > With all do respect to your position with Cox Technical Support, where did
> > > you get this information? Anything that will need to be done (which isn't
> > > much) can be done manually by the average user. Of course this assumes
> > > knowledge of how to change your mail and news account info, as well as IP
> > > addy, DNS and Gateway info.
> > > Not very hard and take all of 5 minutes.
> > >
> > > "Lloyd Wayne Reece" <Lloyd@reece.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3C314C9C.DEDF0FCC@reece.net...
> > > > You will have to install the software to register your computer with the
> >  new
> > > > Cox.net service but their is nothing saying you can't uninstall it after
> >  you
> > > > have registered!  I have seen the Cox.Net cd and it includes a "healing
> >  agent"
> > > > that can put your network settings back to right if they get trashed with
> >  just a
> > > > couple of mouse clicks!  The Cox.net CD does not contain a browser having
> > > > learned the lesson from @home that an emasculated version of IE is worse
> >  than
> > > > anything!!!  The Cox.net CD will alter IE in on small detail.  It will put
> >  the
> > > > COX logo in the right hand corner where you see the IE logo now!!
> >  Microsoft has
> > > > long allowed and encouraged companies to put their "branding" on the
> >  products!
> > > >
> > > > Lloyd
> > > > Cox Tech Support
> > > >
> > > > Mr_Smyth wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know here if I will have to install their software when it
> >  comes
> > > > > out to keep my service up and running? The original @home software had a
> > > > > program
> > > > > called tioga that kept reporting (something) to an outside
> > > > > source. The browser they supplied was hokey also.
> > > >

Brian wrote:

> What�the�lease�expiration�means�is�that�if�you�are�off�the�network�for
> more than 4 hours (PC shut off, etc...) you will get a different IP
> next time you��boot�up.

You *MIGHT* get a different IP.  Normally a DHCP server tries to 
reassign the previous address.  However, the longer you're off, the 
greater the chance of a different IP.

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