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In article <na.fde951473b.a702a0richt@argonet.co.uk>, Richard Travers
<URL:mailto:richt@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> It may have escaped your notice that someone has designed a "Symbol"
> for the ECU (whatever it is to be called).  The symbol is best
> described as the letter C with two horizontal cross-bars.
> 
> Given that this symbol does not appear in any of the standard font sets,
> nor in any printer font sets, I wonder if anyone has considered the
> huge costs for industry, education and home computer users of up-grading
> their fonts and their printers to accomodate the new symbol (it would,
> after all, be highly embarrassing to be unable to print the currency
> symbol for your own currency)?
> 
> In the event that the UK eventually joins the common currency, is it
> proposed that such costs should be funded by the government?

What's the problem. You can simply write 'ECU'.

I think the C is mainly designed as a symbol for the bank notes and coins and not as a general currency symbol.


Marc

In article <ant131910d07PaoN@pmmeier.goslar.netsurf.de>, Marc Meier
<mmeier@goslar.netsurf.de> wrote:
> 
> In article <na.fde951473b.a702a0richt@argonet.co.uk>, Richard Travers
> <URL:mailto:richt@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > Given that this symbol does not appear in any of the standard font sets,
> > nor in any printer font sets, I wonder if anyone has considered the
> > huge costs for industry, education and home computer users of up-grading
> > their fonts and their printers to accomodate the new symbol (it would,
> > after all, be highly embarrassing to be unable to print the currency
> > symbol for your own currency)?
 
> > In the event that the UK eventually joins the common currency, is it
> > proposed that such costs should be funded by the government?
 
> What's the problem. You can simply write 'ECU'.
 
> I think the C is mainly designed as a symbol for the bank notes and coins
> and not as a general currency symbol.

ECU takes up far too much space :-)

That may sound silly (esp with the :-) after it) but what about
in spreadsheets, where you are using currency and set the default
leading character(s) of a cell to contain the currency symbol?
They /can/ be set up to display 'ECU' but on many spreadsheets
this genuinely would take up too much space.

<nostalgia>
With the old text based systems of yesteryear, we could simply
make printers do C<backspace>= and use a nondescript char on
screen. Sigh....
</nostalgia>

Now someone will tell me there /is/ a way to do this using the
current system :-)

VinceH

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  Richard Travers wrote:
> It may have escaped your notice that someone has designed a "Symbol"
> for the ECU (whatever it is to be called).  The symbol is best
> described as the letter C with two horizontal cross-bars.

  The 'European' this week describes it as being:

   "...shaped like a post modern pretzel, borrows the rounded 'e' from
    the EU's own symbol. The twin cross-bars are a deliberate allusion
    to the logos representing the US Dollar and the Japanese Yen ... ".
    
  Not to mention the Pound Sterling .....
    
  Quite a few renditions of it in the weekend press have made it look
  more akin to a (= satellite dish.
  
  Inevitably, it is currently being shown as a graphic, since as yet
  there is no ASCII value assigned to the symbol, let alone properly
  crafted font designs.  Well, I really didn't expect one within just
  24 hours of the design getting it's first public outing.
  
  Does anyone know if an international ASCII value has been assigned ?
  obviously it would need to be the same across all platforms.
  At present the ASCII range 32 - 255 is pretty well spoken for
  apart from 129 - 139 which tends to be reserved for custom use.
  
  Irrespective of whether or not the UK eventually joins the currency
  we will still need to refer to it, just as we often refer to the 'US$';
  it also rules out re-assigning the Pound Sterling symbol, which in any
  case would still need to be written about in future history books.
  
  I'm not a betting man, but my guess is that we'll probably re-assign
  the so-called 'International Currency Symbol' at ASCII 164.

  Personally, I think the 'satellite dish' looks horrid and I would have
  preferred to have seen a florid/copperlate/swash kind of 'E'.
  
  No doubt the disco drug culture will soon be discussing the question

                 " ... how many E's for an 'e'... "
                 
  probably not so different from Thatcher's 'beer token' pound coin;
  but sadly inflation has now dated that particular quip. If only ... 
    

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In article <ant131910d07PaoN@pmmeier.goslar.netsurf.de>, Marc Meier
<mmeier@goslar.netsurf.de> wrote:
> 
> In article <na.fde951473b.a702a0richt@argonet.co.uk>, Richard Travers
> <URL:mailto:richt@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > It may have escaped your notice that someone has designed a "Symbol"
> > for the ECU (whatever it is to be called).  The symbol is best
> > described as the letter C with two horizontal cross-bars.
> > 
> What's the problem. You can simply write 'ECU'.
>                                           ^^^
Actually it's called the 'EURO' now.

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In message <na.fde951473b.a702a0richt@argonet.co.uk> Richard Travers wrote:

> It may have escaped your notice that someone has designed a "Symbol"
> for the ECU (whatever it is to be called).  The symbol is best
> described as the letter C with two horizontal cross-bars.
> 
> Given that this symbol does not appear in any of the standard font sets,
> nor in any printer font sets, I wonder if anyone has considered the
> huge costs for industry, education and home computer users of up-grading
> their fonts and their printers to accomodate the new symbol (it would,
> after all, be highly embarrassing to be unable to print the currency
> symbol for your own currency)?
> 
> In the event that the UK eventually joins the common currency, is it
> proposed that such costs should be funded by the government?
> 

But WHY do we need a SYMBOL for the new currency? You don't need it for
Deutschmarks (DM), for example. Neither for Pounds (just say UKP!)
And it works fine. Why don't say "ECU" then?

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In article Richard Travers wrote:
... 
> In the event that the UK eventually joins the common currency, is it
> proposed that such costs should be funded by the government?

No! Whatever made you think that was likely. You know who will pay ...

Sorry! That was probably a retorical question anyway.

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In article <na.6c6b0e473c.a50120protovale@argonet.co.uk>, John Alldred
<protovale@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> I've often wondered what purpose the character 164 � "currency" is for

It's not on RPC keyboards... (but it is on previous systems)


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In article <19961215.175834.03@saale.hof.baynet.de>, wombat@hof.baynet.de
(Christian Kohlsch�tter) wrote:

> But WHY do we need a SYMBOL for the new currency? You don't need it for
> Deutschmarks (DM), for example. Neither for Pounds (just say UKP!)
> And it works fine. Why don't say "ECU" then?

ECU is too long :-)

Not to type - to display/print in complex/full spreadsheets. A
single character is *much* more useful.

VinceH

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In article <na.be227b473d.a50110vince.mh@argonet.co.uk>, Vince M Hudd
<vince.mh@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
  
> ECU is too long :-)

etc snipped

Damn damn damn damn.

I forgot I'd already posted something to that effect. Bloody news
server *only just* gave it back to me, two days after posting.

Bah :-(

VinceH

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In article <na.469386473c.a50220rob.direction@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Wilcox
<URL:mailto:rob.direction@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>   I'm not a betting man, but my guess is that we'll probably re-assign
>   the so-called 'International Currency Symbol' at ASCII 164.

Ah! I always wondered what that was for. I noticed it was dropped from
the keyboard with the RiscPC - did anyone ever use it before?!

>   Personally, I think the 'satellite dish' looks horrid and I would have
>   preferred to have seen a florid/copperlate/swash kind of 'E'.

I don't like the symbol either, and personally I could manage perfectly
well without joining the single currency. Apart from it being an excuse
to put prices up [*] it will mean re-learning how much things cost.
Because we're all used to pounds we can see a price and instantly know
whether it's good value or not. If we switch to a "foreign" currency
then for the first year (at least) we won't have a clue how much we're
paying for things. Sigh.

[*] I understand this happened with decimalsation, but that was before
    my time.  ;-)

Not to mention having to get used to the new coins and horrible-looking
notes they've produced. Oh well.

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Rob Wilcox wrote:
> 
>   The 'European' this week describes it as being:
> 
>    "...shaped like a post modern pretzel, borrows the rounded
>     'e' from the EU's own symbol. The twin cross-bars are a
>     deliberate allusion to the logos representing the US
>     Dollar and the Japanese Yen ... ".
> 
>   Not to mention the Pound Sterling .....

Indeed - standard daisywheel pound sign is L<bckspce>= - in fact 
pound signs are stylised Ls with lines through them.


> Inevitably, it is currently being shown as a graphic, since
> as yet there is no ASCII value assigned to the symbol, let
> alone properly crafted font designs.
>
> Does anyone know if an international ASCII value has been
> assigned ?

I assume this is really a problem for ISO - it'll be some 
variant of an ISO-Latin font.  You can't expect Americans to get 
it right - they still think that a pound sign symbol (in ASCII) 
is two vertical bars crossing two horizontal bars, presumably 
because (a) UK PC keyboards have the pound sign where you get 
the hash on a US one and (b) putting printers into 'English' 
mode makes hash symbols turn into pound signs...

It's not such a huge problem for PS printers, because they give 
all the characters names, and then define mappings between 8 bit 
numbers and characters, so all that's required is for a new 
glyph name to be assigned.  It's windows that worries me.  
(Specifically and generally.)


> Irrespective of whether or not the UK eventually joins the
> currency we will still need to refer to it, just as we often
> refer to the 'US$';

Clearly.  I assume nobody round here sends out invoices with 
'UKP' on instead of a pound sign.  Assuming we don't get the 
complete collapse of the European monetary system when the Euro 
comes in, then regardless of whether the UK is in or out, there 
are likely to be a few people around wanting to print out euro 
signs.


> I'm not a betting man, but my guess is that we'll probably
> re-assign the so-called 'International Currency Symbol' at
> ASCII 164.

But it's so useful.  Actually I have seen it used - in strings 
where you need to indicate that a currency symbol appropriate to 
locale is to be substituted.  Can't remember where I saw it now, 
but it was definitely there.  Presumably on RiscOS, because 
Acorn produce the only machines I've ever seen where you can 
actually type the international currency symbol.


> Personally, I think the 'satellite dish' looks horrid and I
> would have preferred to have seen a florid/copperlate/swash
> kind of 'E'.

But that would be easily confused with a pound sign wouldn't it?  
Given that the top of the L is always swept across with UKP, 
then an E is going to look a bit similar.


>   No doubt the disco drug culture will soon be discussing the
> question
> 
>  " ... how many E's for an 'e'... "

I'll have an E please Bob!


> probably not so different from Thatcher's 'beer token' pound
> coin;  but sadly inflation has now dated that particular quip.
> If only ...

Yeah - you have blue, brown and purple beer tokens these days.  
And those little round half-beer (down to third-beer, depending 
on whether you're in a nightclub or not) tokens.

Not as depressing as Ford Prefect buying six pints of beer, and 
being told by the bar man:  "Keep the change?  From a fiver?", 
where the bar man wasn't meaning "Are you taking the piss or 
something?  Give us the rest!"


--
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In article <ant1611380b0evuQ@aberry.demon.co.uk>
          Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I don't like the symbol either, and personally I could manage perfectly
> well without joining the single currency. Apart from it being an excuse
> to put prices up [*] it will mean re-learning how much things cost.
> Because we're all used to pounds we can see a price and instantly know
> whether it's good value or not. If we switch to a "foreign" currency
> then for the first year (at least) we won't have a clue how much we're
> paying for things. Sigh.

And also, does anyone really believe that it will facilitate the free
movement of money across borders [1]? Ha! No, it will be even harder and
more bureaucratic than before, just like "Free Trade".

[1] Except for criminals.

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In article <32B56E91.6FBD@dev.madge.com>
          Ian Griffiths <igriffit@dev.madge.com> wrote:

> Acorn produce the only machines I've ever seen where you can 
               ^d
> actually type the international currency symbol.


> >   No doubt the disco drug culture will soon be discussing the
> > question
> > 
> >  " ... how many E's for an 'e'... "
> 
> I'll have an E please Bob!

I remember watching "Look and Read" a year or two ago and being amazed
that they still had that "Wizard Magic E" sketch from years ago. The
rest of the show was devoted to How to Speak Geordie, which does seem to
be helpful for a showbiz career these days.

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In article <na.fde951473b.a702a0richt@argonet.co.uk>, Richard Travers
<richt@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> It may have escaped your notice that someone has designed a "Symbol"
> for the ECU (whatever it is to be called).  The symbol is best
> described as the letter C with two horizontal cross-bars.
> 
It is very easy to create in draw and I am sure somebody like Chris Jarman
could easily produce a suitable font incorporating the ecu or euro.  

Phil

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In article <na.fde951473b.a702a0richt@argonet.co.uk>,
	Richard Travers <richt@argonet.co.uk> writes:
> It may have escaped your notice that someone has designed a "Symbol"
> for the ECU (whatever it is to be called).  The symbol is best
> described as the letter C with two horizontal cross-bars.

Sounds like the Commodore logo - hope they have trademark clearence :-)

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In article <na.9ada29473c.a70110gerald.dodson@argonet.co.uk>, G N Dodson
<gerald.dodson@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> In article Richard Travers wrote:
> ... 
> > In the event that the UK eventually joins the common currency, is it
> > proposed that such costs should be funded by the government?
> 
> No! Whatever made you think that was likely. You know who will pay ...
> 
> Sorry! That was probably a retorical question anyway.


No!  It was, however, a rhetorical question ;-)

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In article <19961215.175834.03@saale.hof.baynet.de>, wombat@hof.baynet.de
(Christian Kohlsch�tter) wrote:

> But WHY do we need a SYMBOL for the new currency? You don't need it for
> Deutschmarks (DM), for example. Neither for Pounds (just say UKP!)
> And it works fine. Why don't say "ECU" then?

Point 1 - the Americans, British and Japanese (and probably others too)
          are historically used to using a particular symbol for there
          currencies.  No set of accounts, price list, financial
          prospectus, business plan or any other document quoting pounds
          sterling would ever use UKP in place of the Pound symbol, 
          because that is the symbol that represents our currency.
          Lacking such a symbol yourself, you probably underestimate
          the importance of this.

Point 2 - There seems little point in designing a symbol for a currency
          if the users of that currency are not going to be able to use
          the symbol.  In other words, if you are going to have a symbol,
          make it one that is readily available to people.

Point 3 - The European Currency appears to be called the Euro, not the ECU.

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Richard Travers wrote:
> 
> It may have escaped your notice that someone has designed a "Symbol"
> for the ECU (whatever it is to be called).  The symbol is best
> described as the letter C with two horizontal cross-bars.
> 
Anyone have a URL for the logo?

--
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Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> >   I'm not a betting man, but my guess is that we'll probably re-assign
> >   the so-called 'International Currency Symbol' at ASCII 164.
> Ah! I always wondered what that was for. I noticed it was dropped from
> the keyboard with the RiscPC - did anyone ever use it before?! 

Yes - it was so rarely used we used it to denote the start of all text
effect commands in the documents for a disc magazine displayer jobbie.  I
was very peeved when I had to start doing Shift-Alt-3 on getting a Risc PC!

Cheers,
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In article <32B56E91.6FBD@dev.madge.com>, Ian Griffiths
<URL:mailto:igriffit@dev.madge.com> wrote:

[snip]
 
> Yeah - you have blue, brown and purple beer tokens these days.  
> And those little round half-beer (down to third-beer, depending 
> on whether you're in a nightclub or not) tokens.
> 
> Not as depressing as Ford Prefect buying six pints of beer, and 
> being told by the bar man:  "Keep the change?  From a fiver?", 
> where the bar man wasn't meaning "Are you taking the piss or 
> something?  Give us the rest!"

Hmm. It doesn't seem too long ago when a Friday night round of 5 pints was a
pound (note). :-(

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I know which symbol I'd use. �.

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In article <473EA9004A%arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Darren Salt
<URL:mailto:arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I know which symbol I'd use. �.

If we had as much choice as that then I'd stick with the currency as
well as the symbol. Let them get used to *our* ways seeing as they're so
keen on a single currency.  :-)

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In article <na.5c1718473d.a50110glover@argonet.co.uk>
          David Glover <glover@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <na.6c6b0e473c.a50120protovale@argonet.co.uk>, John Alldred
> <protovale@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>> I've often wondered what purpose the character 164 � "currency" is for

> It's not on RPC keyboards... (but it is on previous systems)

Yes it is. Alt-Shift-3.

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In article <na.ab9ecc473c.a50190jasim@argonet.co.uk>
          Alan Simpson <jasim@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <ant131910d07PaoN@pmmeier.goslar.netsurf.de>, Marc Meier
> <mmeier@goslar.netsurf.de> wrote:
> > 
> > What's the problem. You can simply write 'ECU'.
> >                                           ^^^
> Actually it's called the 'EURO' now.

Yep, bet it took a lot of thought to come up with that ;). They should have
put it up for a Blue Peter naming competition or something :)

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In article <19961215.175834.03@saale.hof.baynet.de>, wombat@hof.baynet.de
(Christian Kohlsch�tter) wrote:

> But WHY do we need a SYMBOL for the new currency? You don't need it for
> Deutschmarks (DM), for example. Neither for Pounds (just say UKP!)
> And it works fine. Why don't say "ECU" then?

Germany may have the advantage of one Euro being one DM (come t think of it,
it doesn't), but in Britain, we are destined to go through 6 months of dual
currency. It is therefore essential that our cash registers refer to money
tendered in Euro / UKP. and change given in Euro / UKP.

I am firmly of the belief that this is all academic, in that any countries
participating will be bankrupt in 6 weeks.

Adrian


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In article <na.16a88a473e.a50220rob.direction@argonet.co.uk>, Rob Wilcox
<URL:mailto:rob.direction@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >  The symbol is best described as the letter C 
> >  with two horizontal cross-bars.
> 
> >  more akin to a 'satellite dish'
> 
>    Yer Tiz my luvs - in all its ... er ... glory ?
> 
>    Please don't flame me for this - it IS less than 2k in size !
>    and it seems that very few folks have seen one.
> 
>    Now all we need to do is:
> 
>       * Convert to Drawfile with Image Outliner or similar
> 
>       * Create Outline Font character with !D2Font
> 
>    and we can quickly get one jump ahead of the PeeeCeee sheep!
> 
> begin 

I've converted it to a draw file using !Trace, and it's turned out quite
well. If anyone wants a copy then it's under 2K and I'll be happy to
send it. The horizontal edges aren't quite horizontal, but I'm sure
someone could tidy it up.

I've got !D2Font but don't feel confident enough to use it!

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In article <ant192154339evuQ@aberry.demon.co.uk>, Andrew Berry
<URL:mailto:andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> In article <473EA9004A%arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Darren Salt
> <URL:mailto:arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > I know which symbol I'd use. �.
> 
> If we had as much choice as that then I'd stick with the currency as
> well as the symbol. Let them get used to *our* ways seeing as they're so
> keen on a single currency.  :-)

Oops. Sorry to follow up my own post, but I've realised that this could
possibly cause offence to people reading this in Europe, and that was
not my intention.

I draw your attention to the smiley, and would like to point out that my
statement was intended for certain foreign governments who are
trying to press Britain into a single currency, rather than people in
other countries who might have read my post.

My apologies if I've upset anyone.

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In article <473EFD5FBC%arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Darren Salt
<arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes it is. Alt-Shift-3.

Oh come on. If you're gonna be like that, then you can say that ALL the
characters are on the keyboard. It's just ALT-xxx. I don't have to press
more than two keys for any other character, why should I have to for the
Euro symbol?


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In article <473EA9004A%arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Darren Salt
<URL:mailto:arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I know which symbol I'd use. �.
> 
Or even better, the Pound sign is no longer needed and can be
replaced by the new C= sign.

Cheers

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In article <na.469f1f473f.a701a0awarrick@argonet.co.uk>, Adrian John Warrick
<URL:mailto:awarrick@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> In article <19961215.175834.03@saale.hof.baynet.de>, wombat@hof.baynet.de
> (Christian Kohlsch�tter) wrote:
> 
> > But WHY do we need a SYMBOL for the new currency? You don't need it for
> > Deutschmarks (DM), for example. Neither for Pounds (just say UKP!)
> > And it works fine. Why don't say "ECU" then?
> 
> Germany may have the advantage of one Euro being one DM (come t think of it,
> it doesn't), but in Britain, we are destined to go through 6 months of dual
> currency. It is therefore essential that our cash registers refer to money
> tendered in Euro / UKP. and change given in Euro / UKP.
> 
> I am firmly of the belief that this is all academic, in that any countries
> participating will be bankrupt in 6 weeks.
> 
> Adrian
> 
> 

Yes. Yes. But we want to keep our Scottish promisary notes...

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Douglas G McKenzie <dgm@millport.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Yes. Yes. But we want to keep our Scottish promisary notes.
                                    ^        ^         ^
hmmm  SPN or is it SNP hmmm


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In article <ant192154339evuQ@aberry.demon.co.uk>
          Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <473EA9004A%arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Darren Salt
> <URL:mailto:arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk> wrote:

>> I know which symbol I'd use. �.

> If we had as much choice as that then I'd stick with the currency as well
> as the symbol. Let them get used to *our* ways seeing as they're so keen on
> a single currency.  :-)

Exactly. They can have any single currency they like as long as it's the
pound sterling. :-)

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In article <4741BD31A6%arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Darren Salt
<URL:mailto:arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Exactly. They can have any single currency they like as long as it's the
> pound sterling. :-)

Why create a totally new currency when you could just make everyone else
use ours? It would save a lot of trouble...  ;-)  ;-)

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In article <ant2219120b0Xuqh@t669454.tip.nl>
          Nico ter Haar <nico.terhaar@tip.nl> wrote:

> In article <473EA9004A%arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Darren Salt
> <URL:mailto:arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk> wrote:

>> I know which symbol I'd use. �.

> Or even better, the Pound sign is no longer needed and can be replaced by
> the new C= sign.

No it can't. Aside from the argument concerning accounts (see elsewhere), a
lot of 'old' text would still need it.

Not to mention the fact that this single currency is one way of removing a
large chunk of our various national identities (and as such is utterly
deplorable).

Anyway, I thought they'd stopped using the <spit> C= symbol a few years
ago, when they went bust and sold the rights for the Amoeba... ;-)

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No matter what they tell you, it's not the whole truth.

In article <na.6223534740.a50110glover@argonet.co.uk>
          David Glover <glover@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <473EFD5FBC%arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Darren Salt
> <arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk> wrote:
> > Yes it is. Alt-Shift-3.

> Oh come on. If you're gonna be like that, then you can say that ALL the
> characters are on the keyboard. It's just ALT-xxx.

I might well say that :-)

> I don't have to press more than two keys for any other character,

You'd be surprised. Want the degree symbol? Alt-Shift-`. Want the copyright
symbol? Alt-Shift-C.

Dare I mention accented characters?

> why should I have to for the Euro symbol?

So it suddenly isn't a generic currency symbol?

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In article <4742B1BF59%arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk>, Darren Salt
<arcsalt@spuddy.mew.co.uk> wrote:
> I might well say that :-)
> 
> You'd be surprised. Want the degree symbol? Alt-Shift-`. Want the
> copyright
> symbol? Alt-Shift-C.

Um, er, yeah, OK. Although I don't actually use those a lot.
 
> Dare I mention accented characters?

No. :P

> So it suddenly isn't a generic currency symbol?

I though the idea was to get rid of it and turn it into the Euro symbol?


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In article <ant2516120b0evuQ@aberry.demon.co.uk>, Andrew Berry
<andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Why create a totally new currency when you could just make everyone else
> use ours? It would save a lot of trouble...  ;-)  ;-)
> 
And then get the b***ers to speak English!

;-)

Whoops - I forgot - I'm a (potentially unemployed) French teacher!

Regards
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