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"Philippe Cousson" <filipo@citeweb.net> wrote

> How to read files from Atari ST diskettes on a Windows PC ?
>

You mean for use in an emulator ? I think the program is usually bundled -
it is a long time since I downloaded emulators though. I use a program
called Makedisk which makes a virtual disk from a real ST floppy. It needs
to be the right format - or you need to specify what the format is if ti
different to normal.

Steve M

Format the floppy on 720kb, and you're ready.
Both system can access it.

(I'm almost sure, that on HD diskettes, you have to tape one of the "holes"
in the corner)



"Philippe Cousson" <filipo@citeweb.net> escribi� en el mensaje
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> How to read files from Atari ST diskettes on a Windows PC ?
>
> Philippe
>
>

Thanks for your answer, but...

No, what I mean is how to get files, mainly texts, from diskettes first used
on an Atari ST, for use on a Windows PC.

Philippe

"Steve Marshall" <sdm@atmosBlockA.plus.com> a �crit dans le message news:
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> "Philippe Cousson" <filipo@citeweb.net> wrote
>
> > How to read files from Atari ST diskettes on a Windows PC ?
> >
>
> You mean for use in an emulator ? I think the program is usually bundled -
> it is a long time since I downloaded emulators though. I use a program
> called Makedisk which makes a virtual disk from a real ST floppy. It needs
> to be the right format - or you need to specify what the format is if ti
> different to normal.
>
> Steve M
>
>
>

In comp.sys.atari.st <c1mbe0$v82$1@news1.nivel5.cl>
Firulais wrote on Thu 26-02-2004 23:51 (-0300):

>Format the floppy on 720kb, and you're ready.
>Both system can access it.
>
>(I'm almost sure, that on HD diskettes, you have to tape one of the "holes"
>in the corner)

Note that the MS Windows gui is broken when it comes to formatting 720 
floppies. In Win2000 you simply can't format a 720 floppy unless it is 
already formatted! On the other hand I have managed to read 1440 floppies 
formatted (on Atari) to 720 without covering the HD hole!

To format 720 floppies in Windows open a DOS window and enter the format 
command with proper parameters. Perhaps "format ?" will return available 
switches, my memory is short when it comes to MS DOS...

>"Philippe Cousson" <filipo@citeweb.net> escribi� en el mensaje
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>> How to read files from Atari ST diskettes on a Windows PC ?

-- 
      Kenneth Medin <kennethm@tripnet.se>
    Atari TT at home: http://atari.mine.nu/
  <<Produced with 100% pure Atari equipment>>

That's true...

It's better when using a disk format utility (i use winimage)


"Kenneth Medin" <kennethm@tripnet.se> escribi� en el mensaje
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> In comp.sys.atari.st <c1mbe0$v82$1@news1.nivel5.cl>
> Firulais wrote on Thu 26-02-2004 23:51 (-0300):
>
> >Format the floppy on 720kb, and you're ready.
> >Both system can access it.
> >
> >(I'm almost sure, that on HD diskettes, you have to tape one of the
"holes"
> >in the corner)
>
> Note that the MS Windows gui is broken when it comes to formatting 720
> floppies. In Win2000 you simply can't format a 720 floppy unless it is
> already formatted! On the other hand I have managed to read 1440 floppies
> formatted (on Atari) to 720 without covering the HD hole!
>
> To format 720 floppies in Windows open a DOS window and enter the format
> command with proper parameters. Perhaps "format ?" will return available
> switches, my memory is short when it comes to MS DOS...
>
> >"Philippe Cousson" <filipo@citeweb.net> escribi� en el mensaje
> >news:c1lo10$k63$1@news.tiscali.fr...
> >> How to read files from Atari ST diskettes on a Windows PC ?
>
> -- 
>       Kenneth Medin <kennethm@tripnet.se>
>     Atari TT at home: http://atari.mine.nu/
>   <<Produced with 100% pure Atari equipment>>
>

In message <c1mtrj$rbm$1@news.tiscali.fr>, philippe.cousson1@libertysurf.fr said:

>No, what I mean is how to get files, mainly texts, from diskettes first used
>on an Atari ST, for use on a Windows PC.

Hi Philippe!

That rather depends what format the text files are in! If it's 
pure ASCII, there should be no problem (once you use makedisk if 
your PC won't read the Atari-formatted disks - this depends on how 
old the Atari is, or rather what TOS it used; 1.4-on should be PC 
compatible. Even then, problems can arise if the disk was 
formatted non-standard, with more sectors or tracks, though I 
think makedisk can handle that.)

However, if the files are in a proprietary format, there could be 
problems. 1st WOrd/1st WOrd Plus for instance used the ASCII 
characters 29 and 30 for stretch spaces, and 2-letter escape codes 
for text styles. The whole document was prefixed with four lines 
of numbers and a ruler, such as 
066000200000000132000004000000000
10
2-#-0
F0110000001
9[...................................................]0110

(some of these characters are unlikely to survive the ISO 
conversion of the mailer, I fear).

Anyway, the preamble can be cut off in an editor such as notepad, 
and you should be able to use the find and replace function to put 
proper spaces in.

A similar thing applies if the text was written by some other 
application.

Regards, /Peter/

>How to read files from Atari ST diskettes on a Windows PC ?
>
>Philippe
>

It the Atari disk was formatted with TOS 1.4 or Higher, then all 
you have to do is to just put it in the PC and the files should 
just come up. For users with TOS less than 1.4, there are special 
formatting programs that will format a disk with a special sector 
that will allow it to be read in a PC.


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Easiest option...
Hit the ST ftp sites and find a utility to convert the boot sectors of your ST
formatted floppies so they have the little MS_DOS code where it belongs.  See,
the disk formats are the same, the fat tables are the same.  Only difference is
that early versions of TOS set a unique disk ID each time you formatted a disk
from the desk-top.  This way TOS/GEM had the potential to know any time you did
a disk swap, and even be told to keep various and seperate caches for each disk
you might be using.  DOS however, wants to see the words MS_DOS instead of an ID
number there.  Such a utility simply writes over the ID number MS_DOS, and
you're in buissness.

Don't use this utility on origonal factory distribution disks such as games, or
your origonal copy of NeoDesk!.  It's perfect for back-ups and your data tank
disks tho'.  All it does is change a few bits so dumb arse DOS-WIN can tell the
disk format is indeed compatable.

Also note...some versions of Norton Disk Doctor running on windows can detect
and correct this problem.  Maybe even other disk-fixing utilities PC side.  If
you have such an animal on your windows box...use an unimportant back-up disk
and try it :)

Another option...
Get a null modem cable or adaptor ($5 tops at Radio Shack)...
With your favorite terminal programs on both machines, Initiate a standard batch
dump using your favorite modem protocol (Zmodem, Ybatch, etc...)

Brian

"Philippe Cousson" <philippe.cousson1@libertysurf.fr> wrote

> No, what I mean is how to get files, mainly texts, from diskettes first
used
> on an Atari ST, for use on a Windows PC.
>

It helps if you have the same program on both machines so that it will
recognise the formatting. not many people have PC versions of Atari word
processors though.

Format a disk to IBM standard then save the file as doc or txt etc and see
which  are useable on the PC. It depends what PC programs you have as to
which will work best. The chances are you may have to reformat the document
which may mean going through every line.

Steve M

Steve Marshall wrote:
> 
> "Philippe Cousson" <philippe.cousson1@libertysurf.fr> wrote
> 
> > No, what I mean is how to get files, mainly texts, from diskettes first
> used
> > on an Atari ST, for use on a Windows PC.
> >
> 
> It helps if you have the same program on both machines so that it will
> recognise the formatting. not many people have PC versions of Atari word
> processors though.
> 
> Format a disk to IBM standard then save the file as doc or txt etc and see
> which  are useable on the PC. It depends what PC programs you have as to
> which will work best. The chances are you may have to reformat the document
> which may mean going through every line.
> 
There was a word processor for Atari that would load the
most common Atari word processor files, and let you save
them as .rtf (rich text format) files. These can be read
in by word, and maintain the formatting.

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"Charles Richmond" <richchas@comcast.net> wrote

> >
> There was a word processor for Atari that would load the
> most common Atari word processor files, and let you save
> them as .rtf (rich text format) files. These can be read
> in by word, and maintain the formatting.
>

Any clues as to which it was or what it's name is ?

Steve M

Philippe Cousson (philippe.cousson1@libertysurf.fr) wrote:
: Thanks for your answer, but...

: No, what I mean is how to get files, mainly texts, from diskettes first used
: on an Atari ST, for use on a Windows PC.

: Philippe

I think the easiest would be to format a new disk on the PC, as mentioned
elsewhere, and then use the Atari to copy the files to the new disk.  I
think you have to copy one file at a time because a full atari disk to
disk copy will overwrite the bits required by the PC, and the PC won't 
read it after that.

However, as alternative I recall that you can read the disks on a PC 
by using linux.

You can get various very small distributions of linux (i.e. 3-4 diskettes
only) that install and run "on top of" DOS/Windows using the existing dos
file system.  Unzip the linux distro into a directory, run linux-start.bat
(or whatever it's called), and it boots into linux using your dos/windows
file system.  Now mount the atari diskette and copy the contents into a
directory.  Now reboot and you're back to dos/windows, and the atari files
will be there on your hard disk where you put them.

In the past I have used "mini-linux", but that was long long ago.  There 
are much more up to date distros of linux designed to be started from 
dos/windows.  You would need to google for them yourself, I don't know 
what they are.

In message <47fbfc79$1@news.victoria.tc.ca>, yf110@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca said:
>
>Philippe Cousson (philippe.cousson1@libertysurf.fr) wrote:
>: Thanks for your answer, but...
>
>: No, what I mean is how to get files, mainly texts, from diskettes first used
>: on an Atari ST, for use on a Windows PC.
>
>: Philippe
>
>I think the easiest would be to format a new disk on the PC, as mentioned
>elsewhere, and then use the Atari to copy the files to the new disk.  I
>think you have to copy one file at a time because a full atari disk to
>disk copy will overwrite the bits required by the PC, and the PC won't 
>read it after that.

There is a simpler solution if you still have the Atari, and the 
diskettes are standard 80 tracks and 9 sectors/track: There is a 
PD program called DISKMOD.TOS (7187 bytes) that needs BLOCK0.DAT 
(512 bytes) in the same directory. If you put the old Atari disk 
in the drive (with write-protection off) and then run DISKMOD.TOS, 
it writes a new IBM-style boot sector (from BLOCK0.DAT) to the 
disk *without affecting anything else on the disk*. You can then 
run the disk on the PC.

I suggest for the first disk or two you make a back-up first on 
the Atari, but I have never known it to fail (although there may 
be problems with 'skewed' formats, but the older Ataris did not 
produce that).

If you have problems locating the programs, send me your email 
addrress and I'll forward them to you.

Regards, /Peter/