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I face the same problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I tried CJKOS. It currently takes 194k of memory in my Palm V with the
fonts. There doesn't seem to be an input method for Japanese however.

It displays Japanese just great. Better than the Japanese addon for US
Outlook in fact.I use WinNT.

Onegaishimasu

stu





Greg Conquest <conquest@surfline.ne.jp> wrote in message
news:37c23004.4564556@enews.newsguy.com...
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to figure out how to add Japanese language capability to my
> Palm IIIx, and it's difficult for me to completely understand my
> options. Please help if you can. I'll post solutions and issues on my
> web page if I can get a good model going. www.efn.org/~conquest
>
> J-OS is what most people have referred me to.
>
http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=89504919990816022405&p
rodID=607
> or search for J-OS at http://www.palmgear.com  if the link above
> doesn't work.
>
> J-OS 1.9  was completed on Oct-28-1997. I can't tell how much RAM it
> will occupy on a Palm, but the author does say that several other
> companion apps are needed including Elisa font (available on PalmGear)
> and several dictionary files (which I can't find on PalmGear and I
> know there are several more versions of available anyway.)
>
> It looks like J-OS *was* the way to go, but links/supporting files are
> hard to find, various improved versions of supporting files are
> available, and the English in the setup files is quite confusing.
>
> Then there's CJKOS.
>
http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=89504919990816022405&p
rodID=3402
> or again search for CJKOS on palmgear's site.
>
> This application allows Chinese, Korean, or Japanese of differing
> encodings to be used, uses 160 K of RAM (according to PalmGear), and
> version 1.32 was updated Aug-20-99.
>
> To me, CJKOS looks better, but I'm not at all sure, and I do have two
> concerns:
> 1) The E-dict series of dictionaries (no reference) state that J-OS is
> required (no mention of CJKOS is made)
> 2) I don't need Chinese and Korean capability for my Palm, so I am
> concerned that the code will be consequently "feature-bloated."
>
> I'm using win98 if that is an issue.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Greg
>
>

Okay, here's the scoop:

First, I have no experience with CJKOS, but if Japanese is what you
want, then JOS is the way to go, anyway.


The freeware (JOS 1.9) route:

- Go to Mr. Tatsushi Yamada's homepage at:
http://www.tt.rim.or.jp/~tatsushi/

- Download both the J-OS 1.9 package and Erisa font.

- Install the appropriate size dictionary file depending on the amount
of free memory you have (dic-s.prc or dic-m.prc).  Install the
appropriate program file depending on the version of your Palm OS
(j-os10.prc for 1.0 users, j-os20.prc for 2.0 or 3.0 users).

- Install the Erisa font.

- Install whatever localizers you want (these files turn the menus and
such in the various built in in apps into Japanese).  You don't need to
use them if you don't want all your apps to become Japanese.

- Soft reset, and turn JOS on in hackmaster.  You should now be able to
input Japanese (by tapping on the "abc" dot in the bottom left corner of
the graffiti area) in any of the built in apps, as well as view Japanese
in other apps that support them (J-Doc, Palmscape, etc.).

- You can also add a single custom dictionary words using a special
entry in the memopad.


The commercial ware (JOS IIIx) route:

- J-OS IIIx is a substantially improved version of J-OS now sold as
commercial ware.   In Japan, you can purchase it at Ikeshop
(http://www.ikeshop.co.jp/) and in the US, you can purchase it from Ark
USA (http://www.arkusa.com/palm/).  It goes for about $50 US.

- Differences of JOS IIIx over the freeware version according to the
author include:

1. You can now use the on-screen keyboard for inputting English (JOS1.9
basically replaces the keyboard with a Japanese input panel).  It is
also now compatible with PiloKey (and the Landware keyboards).
2. The kanji conversion algorithm is smarter.
3. Delete, select, cursor movements now happen properly.  (It
differentiates between double byte and single byte text properly for on
screen handling.)
4. Sort and find features work properly.
5. The input panel is improved, and has been made more friendly for left
handed people.
6. There is now a large Japanese font included.  And it can handle up to
four Japanese fonts.
7. You can now do inline (as opposed to in a window) input.
8. There is now a diagnostic feature that tells you if everything is
properly installed.
9. Now properly handles English wordwrapping when installed.
10. No longer a HackMaster extention, and all files can be burnt into
Flash memory.
11. You can use up to 15 custom dictionaries.
12. You can still use localizers for various apps, but now it is easier
to enable/disable them (1.9 requires that you install/deinstall them).
13. Various minor bug fixes.


So which should people use?  Well, if you only use Japanese very
infrequently (and mostly read Japanese, as opposed to inputting it),
then J-OS 1.9 should meet your needs.  It is less convenient than the
commercial ware version, and a bit klunky, but it is an amazing piece of
software, and it gets the job done.

On the other hand, if you routinely use Japanese, then using the
commercial ware version is well worth the investment.  The improvements
are, as you can tell, quite numerous, and the usability is considerably
improved.  It behaves as if the Palm was designed to do this from the
beginning.  It is a very good piece of software.

I would suggest downloading the freeware version, and if you can live
with its limitations, then just use that.  You can always move up to the
commercial ware version.  And it does give you Japanese capabilities
immediately.

Also, it should be noted that J-OS III was upgraded recently to include
support for the IIIx and V.  I am not entirely positive that the
freeware version is fully compatible with the most recent Palm machines,
although it does support the 3.0 OS.

Finally, if you want to input Japanese into your Palm using the desktop:
There is a quick and easy patch that you can apply to the Mac version of
the desktop app that allows Japanese input via JLK.  As for Windows, I'm
not positive about this, but there should be a similar patch as well
(and you might even be able to get the fully localzied Japanese version
of the software from IBM Japan).

Hope this helps.

Tomoharu Nishino
tomoharu_nishino@post.harvard.edu

Stuart Lester <slester@nospam.gol.com> wrote:

> I face the same problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> I tried CJKOS. It currently takes 194k of memory in my Palm V with the
> fonts. There doesn't seem to be an input method for Japanese however.
> 
> It displays Japanese just great. Better than the Japanese addon for US
> Outlook in fact.I use WinNT.
> 
> Onegaishimasu
> 
> stu

On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:48:44 -0400, tomoharu_nishino@post.harvard.edu
(Tomoharu Nishino) wrote:

>Okay, here's the scoop:
>
>First, I have no experience with CJKOS, but if Japanese is what you
>want, then JOS is the way to go, anyway.
>
>
>The freeware (JOS 1.9) route:
>
>- Go to Mr. Tatsushi Yamada's homepage at:
>http://www.tt.rim.or.jp/~tatsushi/
>
>- Download both the J-OS 1.9 package and Erisa font.
>
>- Install the appropriate size dictionary file depending on the amount
>of free memory you have (dic-s.prc or dic-m.prc).  Install the
>appropriate program file depending on the version of your Palm OS
>(j-os10.prc for 1.0 users, j-os20.prc for 2.0 or 3.0 users).
>
>- Install the Erisa font.
>
>- Install whatever localizers you want (these files turn the menus and
>such in the various built in in apps into Japanese).  You don't need to
>use them if you don't want all your apps to become Japanese.
>
>- Soft reset, and turn JOS on in hackmaster.  You should now be able to
>input Japanese (by tapping on the "abc" dot in the bottom left corner of
>the graffiti area) in any of the built in apps, as well as view Japanese
>in other apps that support them (J-Doc, Palmscape, etc.).
>
>- You can also add a single custom dictionary words using a special
>entry in the memopad.

Thanks for the reply, Nishino-san. It has been helpful. I have J-OS on
my Palm IIIx now, and I can input characters OK.

Now, I'm wondering about the dictionaries. I installed the included
dic-m (I think it was), but I don't see it anywhere. I want to be able
to enter an English or a Japanese word and get a translation. Now I
see nothing relating to definitions or Furigana -- just an IME for
entering Japanese into and reading the Palm OS.

(more below)

>The commercial ware (JOS IIIx) route:
>
>- J-OS IIIx is a substantially improved version of J-OS now sold as
>commercial ware.   In Japan, you can purchase it at Ikeshop
>(http://www.ikeshop.co.jp/) and in the US, you can purchase it from Ark
>USA (http://www.arkusa.com/palm/).  It goes for about $50 US.

I found the products on these pages. There is very little English info
about the program. Did you translate all the info below?
(more)

>
>- Differences of JOS IIIx over the freeware version according to the
>author include:
>
>1. You can now use the on-screen keyboard for inputting English (JOS1.9
>basically replaces the keyboard with a Japanese input panel).  It is
>also now compatible with PiloKey (and the Landware keyboards).
>2. The kanji conversion algorithm is smarter.
>3. Delete, select, cursor movements now happen properly.  (It
>differentiates between double byte and single byte text properly for on
>screen handling.)
>4. Sort and find features work properly.
>5. The input panel is improved, and has been made more friendly for left
>handed people.
>6. There is now a large Japanese font included.  And it can handle up to
>four Japanese fonts.
>7. You can now do inline (as opposed to in a window) input.
>8. There is now a diagnostic feature that tells you if everything is
>properly installed.
>9. Now properly handles English wordwrapping when installed.
>10. No longer a HackMaster extention, and all files can be burnt into
>Flash memory.
>11. You can use up to 15 custom dictionaries.

Are these included, or does it mention which one's are available? Will
some of these work with J-OS 1.9? Do any of them show some kind of
furigana when translating an English word into Japanese?

And, sorry for so many questions, can I write a kanji instead of using
the romaji IME? If I see a new Kanji somewhere (there everywhere
around me, actually), I'd like to be able to write it down (guessing
at the proper stroke order), and get a definition. Can I do this with
the apps included with J-OS III?

Again, thanks so much for your time, Nishino-san.

Greg Conquest
Zushi, Japan

>12. You can still use localizers for various apps, but now it is easier
>to enable/disable them (1.9 requires that you install/deinstall them).
>13. Various minor bug fixes.
>
>
>So which should people use?  Well, if you only use Japanese very
>infrequently (and mostly read Japanese, as opposed to inputting it),
>then J-OS 1.9 should meet your needs.  It is less convenient than the
>commercial ware version, and a bit klunky, but it is an amazing piece of
>software, and it gets the job done.
>
>On the other hand, if you routinely use Japanese, then using the
>commercial ware version is well worth the investment.  The improvements
>are, as you can tell, quite numerous, and the usability is considerably
>improved.  It behaves as if the Palm was designed to do this from the
>beginning.  It is a very good piece of software.
>
>I would suggest downloading the freeware version, and if you can live
>with its limitations, then just use that.  You can always move up to the
>commercial ware version.  And it does give you Japanese capabilities
>immediately.
>
>Also, it should be noted that J-OS III was upgraded recently to include
>support for the IIIx and V.  I am not entirely positive that the
>freeware version is fully compatible with the most recent Palm machines,
>although it does support the 3.0 OS.
>
>Finally, if you want to input Japanese into your Palm using the desktop:
>There is a quick and easy patch that you can apply to the Mac version of
>the desktop app that allows Japanese input via JLK.  As for Windows, I'm
>not positive about this, but there should be a similar patch as well
>(and you might even be able to get the fully localzied Japanese version
>of the software from IBM Japan).
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Tomoharu Nishino
>tomoharu_nishino@post.harvard.edu
>
>Stuart Lester <slester@nospam.gol.com> wrote:
>
>> I face the same problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> I tried CJKOS. It currently takes 194k of memory in my Palm V with the
>> fonts. There doesn't seem to be an input method for Japanese however.
>> 
>> It displays Japanese just great. Better than the Japanese addon for US
>> Outlook in fact.I use WinNT.
>> 
>> Onegaishimasu
>> 
>> stu

Greg Conquest <conquest@surfline.ne.jp> wrote:

> Thanks for the reply, Nishino-san. It has been helpful. I have J-OS on
> my Palm IIIx now, and I can input characters OK.
> 
> Now, I'm wondering about the dictionaries. I installed the included
> dic-m (I think it was), but I don't see it anywhere. I want to be able
> to enter an English or a Japanese word and get a translation. Now I
> see nothing relating to definitions or Furigana -- just an IME for
> entering Japanese into and reading the Palm OS.

Ah, the "dictionary" files are *conversion* dictionaries.  To get what
you ask, you need a separete program.  I think there was such a thing,
but do not remember for certain.  If you read Japaenese, go to:

http://www.palmfan.com/
http://muchy.com/

and look around, you should be able find an e-j/j-e dictionary program
there.

J-OS is an IME.


> I found the products on these pages. There is very little English info
> about the program. Did you translate all the info below?
> (more)

Well, I presume the web page authors assume that if you are there
looking for J-OS info, then you are also capable of reading Japanese.
But, yes, I did translate the info.

> Are these included, or does it mention which one's are available? Will
> some of these work with J-OS 1.9? Do any of them show some kind of
> furigana when translating an English word into Japanese?

The improvements are all rolled into the J-OS III program.  None are
separeately available for J-OS 1.9.  As I noted above, J-OS is an IME,
it does not offer any e-to-j translation dictionaries, nor does it give
you furigana.  (Presumably, if you are using IME to enter Japanese, you
already know the phonetic pronounciation, and thus do not need
furigana.)

> And, sorry for so many questions, can I write a kanji instead of using
> the romaji IME? If I see a new Kanji somewhere (there everywhere
> around me, actually), I'd like to be able to write it down (guessing
> at the proper stroke order), and get a definition. Can I do this with
> the apps included with J-OS III?

No.  Again, J-OS III is an IME and localization engjine.  It is not an
dictionary app.  Whenever J-OS refers to a dictionary, it is talking
about a *conversion* dictionary that translates romaji to kanji.

As for Kanji handwriting recognition, it does not exist -- even for the
Japaense Palm machines that IBM sells in that market.  (I suspect it is
just too much to implement on such a small memory.)

Even the dictionary solution I mention above requires phonetic input of
Japanese words.  For what you ask, the best solution is an old fashioned
pocket j-e/e-j dictionary, or if you want to go the electronic route,
the electronic dictionary sets available from casio and sony and the
like.

> Again, thanks so much for your time, Nishino-san.

No problem.  Hope this helped.

Best,

Tn

Thanks, great help

arrigatou goziamasu

stu


Tomoharu Nishino <tomoharu_nishino@post.harvard.edu> wrote in message
news:1dx350x.an1zat1jjz800N@233.mercerville-15-20rs.nj.dial-access.att.net..
.
> Okay, here's the scoop:
>
> First, I have no experience with CJKOS, but if Japanese is what you
> want, then JOS is the way to go, anyway.
>
>
> The freeware (JOS 1.9) route:
>
> - Go to Mr. Tatsushi Yamada's homepage at:
> http://www.tt.rim.or.jp/~tatsushi/
>
> - Download both the J-OS 1.9 package and Erisa font.
>
> - Install the appropriate size dictionary file depending on the amount
> of free memory you have (dic-s.prc or dic-m.prc).  Install the
> appropriate program file depending on the version of your Palm OS
> (j-os10.prc for 1.0 users, j-os20.prc for 2.0 or 3.0 users).
>
> - Install the Erisa font.
>
> - Install whatever localizers you want (these files turn the menus and
> such in the various built in in apps into Japanese).  You don't need to
> use them if you don't want all your apps to become Japanese.
>
> - Soft reset, and turn JOS on in hackmaster.  You should now be able to
> input Japanese (by tapping on the "abc" dot in the bottom left corner of
> the graffiti area) in any of the built in apps, as well as view Japanese
> in other apps that support them (J-Doc, Palmscape, etc.).
>
> - You can also add a single custom dictionary words using a special
> entry in the memopad.
>
>
> The commercial ware (JOS IIIx) route:
>
> - J-OS IIIx is a substantially improved version of J-OS now sold as
> commercial ware.   In Japan, you can purchase it at Ikeshop
> (http://www.ikeshop.co.jp/) and in the US, you can purchase it from Ark
> USA (http://www.arkusa.com/palm/).  It goes for about $50 US.
>
> - Differences of JOS IIIx over the freeware version according to the
> author include:
>
> 1. You can now use the on-screen keyboard for inputting English (JOS1.9
> basically replaces the keyboard with a Japanese input panel).  It is
> also now compatible with PiloKey (and the Landware keyboards).
> 2. The kanji conversion algorithm is smarter.
> 3. Delete, select, cursor movements now happen properly.  (It
> differentiates between double byte and single byte text properly for on
> screen handling.)
> 4. Sort and find features work properly.
> 5. The input panel is improved, and has been made more friendly for left
> handed people.
> 6. There is now a large Japanese font included.  And it can handle up to
> four Japanese fonts.
> 7. You can now do inline (as opposed to in a window) input.
> 8. There is now a diagnostic feature that tells you if everything is
> properly installed.
> 9. Now properly handles English wordwrapping when installed.
> 10. No longer a HackMaster extention, and all files can be burnt into
> Flash memory.
> 11. You can use up to 15 custom dictionaries.
> 12. You can still use localizers for various apps, but now it is easier
> to enable/disable them (1.9 requires that you install/deinstall them).
> 13. Various minor bug fixes.
>
>
> So which should people use?  Well, if you only use Japanese very
> infrequently (and mostly read Japanese, as opposed to inputting it),
> then J-OS 1.9 should meet your needs.  It is less convenient than the
> commercial ware version, and a bit klunky, but it is an amazing piece of
> software, and it gets the job done.
>
> On the other hand, if you routinely use Japanese, then using the
> commercial ware version is well worth the investment.  The improvements
> are, as you can tell, quite numerous, and the usability is considerably
> improved.  It behaves as if the Palm was designed to do this from the
> beginning.  It is a very good piece of software.
>
> I would suggest downloading the freeware version, and if you can live
> with its limitations, then just use that.  You can always move up to the
> commercial ware version.  And it does give you Japanese capabilities
> immediately.
>
> Also, it should be noted that J-OS III was upgraded recently to include
> support for the IIIx and V.  I am not entirely positive that the
> freeware version is fully compatible with the most recent Palm machines,
> although it does support the 3.0 OS.
>
> Finally, if you want to input Japanese into your Palm using the desktop:
> There is a quick and easy patch that you can apply to the Mac version of
> the desktop app that allows Japanese input via JLK.  As for Windows, I'm
> not positive about this, but there should be a similar patch as well
> (and you might even be able to get the fully localzied Japanese version
> of the software from IBM Japan).
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Tomoharu Nishino
> tomoharu_nishino@post.harvard.edu
>
> Stuart Lester <slester@nospam.gol.com> wrote:
>
> > I face the same problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > I tried CJKOS. It currently takes 194k of memory in my Palm V with the
> > fonts. There doesn't seem to be an input method for Japanese however.
> >
> > It displays Japanese just great. Better than the Japanese addon for US
> > Outlook in fact.I use WinNT.
> >
> > Onegaishimasu
> >
> > stu