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Jim (jbg4@jps.net) wrote:
: Someone will 
: come up from behind and there's enough light to read perfectly  inside my 
: vehicle.  The worst offenders are Ford trucks (all), Hondas/Acuras, 
: Chrysler Corp. minivans, and FoMOCo cars.  THe last 3 years or so, it's 

Obviously the glare is preventing you from seeing which newsgroups you 
are posting to.....  ;-)

Frank van Zanten

In article <33066ADE.69AE@jps.net>, Jim <jbg4@jps.net> wrote:

> Unfortunately I have to commute during the hours of darkness.  Why is it 
> everyone needs to use their driving lights or fog lights when they are 
> not really needed.  Also within the last 10 years most vehicles with the 
> halogen/composite headlamps are set wrong from the factory.  Someone will 
> come up from behind and there's enough light to read perfectly  inside my 
> vehicle.  The worst offenders are Ford trucks (all), Hondas/Acuras, 
> Chrysler Corp. minivans, and FoMOCo cars.  THe last 3 years or so, it's 
> been almost every brand of vehicle.  I have a '92 Chev truck that has 
> been just fine from the factory.  I set mine at the lowest legal limit 
> and I see just fine still.  What's taking you so long to have YOUR 
> headlights adjusted.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know your 
> light are too high for those ahead of you.
> Jim........

Um this is the Australian news group, Chrysler Corp doesn't exist in Aus
like in North America.

Ford trucks aren't the same as well... they're what we call Ranger size
and compact pickups, not like OUR (north American) F-150's.

Kyle

Kyle L. McNabb wrote:

: Um this is the Australian news group, Chrysler Corp doesn't exist in Aus
: like in North America.

Thats right Kyle............

: Ford trucks aren't the same as well... they're what we call Ranger size
: and compact pickups, not like OUR (north American) F-150's.

But that's wrong. Australia does have the large Ford trucks...F-100, F-150,
F-250....
We also had the Ford Bronco, and just recently we started seeing the Ford
Discovery on Ford showroom floors.

Jim wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately I have to commute during the hours of darkness.  Why is it
> everyone needs to use their driving lights or fog lights when they are
> not really needed.  Also within the last 10 years most vehicles with the
> halogen/composite headlamps are set wrong from the factory.  Someone will
> come up from behind and there's enough light to read perfectly  inside my
> vehicle.  The worst offenders are Ford trucks (all), Hondas/Acuras,
> Chrysler Corp. minivans, and FoMOCo cars.  THe last 3 years or so, it's
> been almost every brand of vehicle.  I have a '92 Chev truck that has
> been just fine from the factory.  I set mine at the lowest legal limit
> and I see just fine still.  What's taking you so long to have YOUR
> headlights adjusted.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know your
> light are too high for those ahead of you.
> Jim........


---Halogen headlamps---There not out of adjustment there just to damm
bright
I will Not put them on my 86 Blaser or any other car that I have owned.
To
this day I do'nt under stand how they became leagle. I have no use for
them
and no one else should, if you ca'nt see the road with low beam you have
no
bussness on the road at night. Hell I see cars on the road with a full
moon
and thes fools are running with high beams on, I can see the road fine
with 
lights off. You do'nt have to light up the countryside to see were your
going.
All you need to see is just the road 300 ft in front of you at any
speed.

==============================================
If I was in a hurry you wouldn't be behind me.
==============================================
John R Cambron
North Beach MD USA
I add USA after all this is the world wide web.

John R Cambron <connie@mail.drsystems.com> wrote:
> ---Halogen headlamps---There not out of adjustment there just to damm
> bright I will Not put them on my 86 Blaser or any other car that I have
owned.

No, this is false.  I have Hella H4 halogen headlights on my car, and they
are brighter than most headlights out there (80 watt low beams).  As they
are adjusted properly, I *never* get flashed by oncoming traffic.  Why is
this?  It is because the halogen headlights, unlike incandescents, have a
sharper cutoff.  My headlights are adjust so that the do not come above the
trunk of any car in front of me, no matter what the distance.  Adjusted
this way, I can see the road perfectly, and a lot more safely than anyone
with incandescent lights.  With incandescents, you should not be driving
over 40 mph, as you can't see any further than that with those kinds of
headlights.

Just because you choose not to use a product, this doesn't make it bad. 
And nor are halogens bad because half the people out there don't know how
to adjust them.  When used properly, they are safer both for the driver and
the other people on the road who are not blinded by lights improperly
adjusted (and this happens even with incandescents.

-Todd Palino

Darren McElroy <dmcelroy@ozemail.com.au> wrote in article
<01bc1cc2$a0509500$34c76ccb@dmcelroy.ozemail.com.au>...

> But that's wrong. Australia does have the large Ford trucks...F-100,
F-150,
> F-250....
> We also had the Ford Bronco, and just recently we started seeing the Ford
> Discovery on Ford showroom floors.
> 
> 

Umm, sorry Darren, but this is also wrong. It's called the Ford Explorer,
not the Ford Discovery.

Land Rover makes the Discovery.

Chris

Darren McElroy wrote:
> 
> Kyle L. McNabb wrote:
> 
> : Um this is the Australian news group, Chrysler Corp doesn't exist in Aus
> : like in North America.
> 
> Thats right Kyle............
> 
> : Ford trucks aren't the same as well... they're what we call Ranger size
> : and compact pickups, not like OUR (north American) F-150's.
> 
> But that's wrong. Australia does have the large Ford trucks...F-100, F-150,
> F-250....
> We also had the Ford Bronco, and just recently we started seeing the Ford
> Discovery on Ford showroom floors.


We get Chrylser Neon, Cherokee, Grand Cherokee and Wrangler.
All have there headlights changed for our specs (which are similar to 
europe) and we don't get the running lights.

We get the Ford Explorer. We don't "officially" get and other large US 
Ford Truck.  Most Ford commercials come from Mazda ( except European Ford 
Transit).


Richard
-- 
To e-mail me, remove the * from the address

John R Cambron wrote:
> ---Halogen headlamps---There not out of adjustment there just to damm
> bright
> I will Not put them on my 86 Blaser or any other car that I have owned.
> To
> this day I do'nt under stand how they became leagle. I have no use for
> them
> and no one else should, if you ca'nt see the road with low beam you have
> no
> bussness on the road at night. Hell I see cars on the road with a full
> moon
> and thes fools are running with high beams on, I can see the road fine
> with
> lights off. You do'nt have to light up the countryside to see were your
> going.
> All you need to see is just the road 300 ft in front of you at any
> speed.

The're too bright because they're using crappy American optics, and no one 
in the US ever seems to aim their lights properly (or even know which 
lights to use, look at all those ignoramuses driving around with their 
auxiliary lighting on all the time---frequently also not properly aimed).  
If/when Euro-spec lights become legal you won't have this problem.  The 
Euro low beams seem even brighter than US halogens to the driver of the 
car but to anyone outside the car, they don't look very bright at all.  In fact 
they work so well you practically never need brights.  This is due to the 
much better reflector optics, and the type of bulb the European systems 
use.

Aardwolf.

Matt Julian Swan wrote:
> It also makes sense that you need to see further in front of you at
> higher speeds.  A normal 60/55W high/low globe is fine for driving at
> 100kph, whereas 140/100W globes are only just acceptable if you are going
> to do high speed interstate runs in the middle of the night... (Not that
> anyone would do that of course...) :-)

Yeah, but you could use a pair of auxiliary 100+W "pencil beams", 
couldn't ya?  Linked up to only operate when the brights are on?

Aardwolf.

On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, John R Cambron wrote:

> 
> ---Halogen headlamps---There not out of adjustment there just to damm
> bright
> I will Not put them on my 86 Blaser or any other car that I have owned.
> To
> this day I do'nt under stand how they became leagle. I have no use for
> them
> and no one else should, if you ca'nt see the road with low beam you have
> no
> bussness on the road at night. Hell I see cars on the road with a full
> moon
> and thes fools are running with high beams on, I can see the road fine
> with 
> lights off. You do'nt have to light up the countryside to see were your
> going.
> All you need to see is just the road 300 ft in front of you at any
> speed.
> 
> John R Cambron
> 
"Leagle" huh?               Try: "legal"
"under stand" huh?          Try: "understand"
"ca'nt" huh?                Try: "can't"
"do'nt" huh?                Try: "don't"
"were your going" huh?      Try: "where you're going"
Mate... You really know how to spell.  :-)

By the way, in Australia, fog lights are only allowed to be used where 
conditions require them.  That is, you can get booked for using them when 
there is no fog around.

It also makes sense that you need to see further in front of you at 
higher speeds.  A normal 60/55W high/low globe is fine for driving at 
100kph, whereas 140/100W globes are only just acceptable if you are going 
to do high speed interstate runs in the middle of the night... (Not that 
anyone would do that of course...) :-)

Chris Gorgioski <coso@oZramp.net.au> wrote in article
<01bc1d5a$cca419e0$5d4911cb@default>...
: Umm, sorry Darren, but this is also wrong. It's called the Ford Explorer,
: not the Ford Discovery.
: 
: Land Rover makes the Discovery.
: 
DOH!

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997 22:21:47 -0700, sony@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (Kyle
L. McNabb) wrote:

>In article <33066ADE.69AE@jps.net>, Jim <jbg4@jps.net> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately I have to commute during the hours of darkness.  Why is it 
>> everyone needs to use their driving lights or fog lights when they are 
>> not really needed.  Also within the last 10 years most vehicles with the 
>> halogen/composite headlamps are set wrong from the factory.  Someone will 
>> come up from behind and there's enough light to read perfectly  inside my 

>Um this is the Australian news group, Chrysler Corp doesn't exist in Aus
>like in North America.
>
>Ford trucks aren't the same as well... they're what we call Ranger size
>and compact pickups, not like OUR (north American) F-150's.

It does apply to a lot of cars here in Aust too. 
I've seen many cars that have there headlights set wrong from the
factory. Instead of pointing towards the road they point straight
ahead. Nearly as bad as high beam.

Tony

Matt Julian Swan wrote:
> By the way, in Australia, fog lights are only allowed to be used where
> conditions require them.  That is, you can get booked for using them > when there is no fog around.

In Victoria the law relating to fog lights states that non-white front
fog lamps (amber) can only be used when conditions warrant their use.
Normal white driving/fog lamps can be used any time. Rear red lens fog
lamps can only be used when conditions require their use.
-- 
Glenn R. Corey
corey@aardvark.apana.org.au
Melboune, Victoria, Australia.

Matt Julian Swan wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, John R Cambron wrote:
> 
> >
> > ---Halogen headlamps---There not out of adjustment there just to damm
> > bright
> > I will Not put them on my 86 Blaser or any other car that I have owned.
> > To
> > this day I do'nt under stand how they became leagle. I have no use for
> > them
> > and no one else should, if you ca'nt see the road with low beam you have
> > no
> > bussness on the road at night. Hell I see cars on the road with a full
> > moon
> > and thes fools are running with high beams on, I can see the road fine
> > with
> > lights off. You do'nt have to light up the countryside to see were your
> > going.
> > All you need to see is just the road 300 ft in front of you at any
> > speed.
> >
> > John R Cambron
> >
> "Leagle" huh?               Try: "legal"
> "under stand" huh?          Try: "understand"
> "ca'nt" huh?                Try: "can't"
> "do'nt" huh?                Try: "don't"
> "were your going" huh?      Try: "where you're going"
> Mate... You really know how to spell.  :-)
> 
> By the way, in Australia, fog lights are only allowed to be used where
> conditions require them.  That is, you can get booked for using them when
> there is no fog around.
> 
> It also makes sense that you need to see further in front of you at
> higher speeds.  A normal 60/55W high/low globe is fine for driving at
> 100kph, whereas 140/100W globes are only just acceptable if you are going
> to do high speed interstate runs in the middle of the night... (Not that
> anyone would do that of course...) :-)

OK I got the message... I can see very fine at night thank you
with my sealed beam head lights. What I'am tring to say is you
don't need enough light to read the number on the renewal sticker
on the car in front of you. All you need is enough light to see
the road in front of you.
-- 
John R Cambron
North Beach MD USA
I add USA after all this is the world wide web.

Glenn R. Corey wrote:
> 
> Matt Julian Swan wrote:
> > By the way, in Australia, fog lights are only allowed to be used where
> > conditions require them.  That is, you can get booked for using them > when there is no fog around.
> 
> In Victoria the law relating to fog lights states that non-white front
> fog lamps (amber) can only be used when conditions warrant their use.
> Normal white driving/fog lamps can be used any time. Rear red lens fog
> lamps can only be used when conditions require their use.
...

I think what Matt was implying, was that you can't just drive around
with driving/fog lamps on all the time; they're classed as High Beam. I
know people in NSW that have been booked for doing this, and Victorian
road laws are even more draconian; and besides, having those over-bright
lights on is so dangerous to oncoming traffic, I'm sure it'd be illegal
in Victoria.


Forg.

Forg wrote:
> 
> Glenn R. Corey wrote:
> >
> > Matt Julian Swan wrote:
> > > By the way, in Australia, fog lights are only allowed to be used where
> > > conditions require them.  That is, you can get booked for using them > when there is no fog around.
> >
> > In Victoria the law relating to fog lights states that non-white front
> > fog lamps (amber) can only be used when conditions warrant their use.
> > Normal white driving/fog lamps can be used any time. Rear red lens fog
> > lamps can only be used when conditions require their use.
> ...
> 
> I think what Matt was implying, was that you can't just drive around
> with driving/fog lamps on all the time; they're classed as High Beam. I
> know people in NSW that have been booked for doing this, and Victorian
> road laws are even more draconian; and besides, having those over-bright
> lights on is so dangerous to oncoming traffic, I'm sure it'd be illegal
> in Victoria.
> 
> Forg.

Driving lights yes. Low mounted white fog lamps as fitted to most sports
hatches, SS Commodores and Euro's are OK to use in Victoria at anytime,
if correctly aligned. 
-- 
Glenn R. Corey
corey@aardvark.apana.org.au
Melboune, Victoria, Australia.

Glenn R. Corey wrote:
> 
> Forg wrote:
> >
> > Glenn R. Corey wrote:
> > >
> > > Matt Julian Swan wrote:
> > > > By the way, in Australia, fog lights are only allowed to be used where
> > > > conditions require them.  That is, you can get booked for using them > when there is no fog around.
> > >
> > > In Victoria the law relating to fog lights states that non-white front
> > > fog lamps (amber) can only be used when conditions warrant their use.
> > > Normal white driving/fog lamps can be used any time. Rear red lens fog
> > > lamps can only be used when conditions require their use.
> > ...
> >
> > I think what Matt was implying, was that you can't just drive around
> > with driving/fog lamps on all the time; they're classed as High Beam. I
> > know people in NSW that have been booked for doing this, and Victorian
> > road laws are even more draconian; and besides, having those over-bright
> > lights on is so dangerous to oncoming traffic, I'm sure it'd be illegal
> > in Victoria.
> >
> > Forg.
> 
> Driving lights yes. Low mounted white fog lamps as fitted to most sports
> hatches, SS Commodores and Euro's are OK to use in Victoria at anytime,
> if correctly aligned.
> --
> Glenn R. Corey
> corey@aardvark.apana.org.au
> Melboune, Victoria, Australia.

IMHO is still doesn't change the fact that the people who drive around
with fog/high intensity driving lights ablaze on city & suburban streets
are tossers who are just out for some attention.

YOU DON'T NEED THEM GOING ON STREET-LIGHTED ROADWAYS IF YOUR NORMAL
HEADLIGHTS ARE ALIGNED CORRECTLY.

BTW, if you're a real fan of "wanker lights" come to Newcastle - we'd
have to be Australia's home of bumper illumination! More TX3s,
Clubsports, Geminis, Excels with SCG/MCG floodlighting than you can poke
a stick at. Very sad indeed. No wonder people take the piss outta
Newcastle...

DJ
(In a Flame-Proof Suit)

> BTW, if you're a real fan of "wanker lights" come to Newcastle - we'd
> have to be Australia's home of bumper illumination! More TX3s,
> Clubsports, Geminis, Excels with SCG/MCG floodlighting than you can poke
> a stick at. Very sad indeed. No wonder people take the piss outta
> Newcastle...
> 
> DJ
> (In a Flame-Proof Suit)

No, come down to the Haymarket area of Syd.  Down here you can make up
your own road rules.  Want spazzy lights?  they're yours.  Want to chop
your suspension?  go ahead.  Want to park anywhere (literally)  just
pull up.  One way streets, you were only going one way anyway (the wrong
way).  Only one rule down here though...You must have your fog lights
on....10am, summer's day, well it was foggy in Glasgow last year.  
I lied, there is a second rule.  U-Turns must be made at least every 3
minutes.  Regardless of where you are.  No exceptions.

Have Fun
Tony B.

"Glenn R. Corey" <corey@aardvark.apana.org.au> wrote:

>Driving lights yes. Low mounted white fog lamps as fitted to most sports
>hatches, SS Commodores and Euro's are OK to use in Victoria at anytime,
>if correctly aligned. 

I thought fog lamps were the yellow tinted ones.
as far as i knew, all the clear ones were classified as driving
lights, and having themon at inappropriate times in NSW is a 110 buck
fine, thankyou verymuch officer

-- 
   Nathan Wong                    http://www.nectar.com.au/~alfacors
                                  Super Touring and Motorsport Links
   AlfaCors@pobox.com                Club Cars - Alfa Romeo - F1
           

Jim wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately I have to commute during the hours of darkness.  Why is it
> everyone needs to use their driving lights or fog lights when they are
> not really needed.  Also within the last 10 years most vehicles with the
> halogen/composite headlamps are set wrong from the factory.  Someone will
> come up from behind and there's enough light to read perfectly  inside my
> vehicle.  The worst offenders are Ford trucks (all), Hondas/Acuras,
> Chrysler Corp. minivans, and FoMOCo cars.  THe last 3 years or so, it's
> been almost every brand of vehicle.  I have a '92 Chev truck that has
> been just fine from the factory.  I set mine at the lowest legal limit
> and I see just fine still.  What's taking you so long to have YOUR
> headlights adjusted.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know your
> light are too high for those ahead of you.
> Jim........
The trick to some of these guys is to adust your reaview mirror so that
it shines back in their face.  I have been thinking of building a shiny
piece of metal that can be attached to back of my truck that I could
adjust from the inside to do the same.

In article <330C4012.5F1D@aardvark.apana.org.au>,
"Glenn R. Corey" <corey@aardvark.apana.org.au> wrote:


>Normal white driving/fog lamps can be used any time. Rear red lens fog
>lamps can only be used when conditions require their use.
>-- 

So why does every wanker with a Hyundai turn their rear fog on when a dog
pisses against the tyre?

Brad

On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:04:47 +1100, bratley@cia.com.au (Bradley Gray)
wrote:

>So why does every wanker with a Hyundai turn their rear fog on when a dog
>pisses against the tyre?

Speaking of wankers I really laugh when I see guys driving cars with
instrument gauges tacked onto the bonnet of their cars.  Looks
absolutely ridiculous.

I laugh even harder when I see guys driving absolute pieces of shit on
the road with very expensive alloy wheels and low profile tyres.  The
two just don't go together.

John R Cambron (pfairla@chesapeake.net) wrote:
: Matt Julian Swan wrote:
: 
: OK I got the message... I can see very fine at night thank you
: with my sealed beam head lights. What I'am tring to say is you
: don't need enough light to read the number on the renewal sticker
: on the car in front of you. All you need is enough light to see
: the road in front of you.

i strongly disagree. tell me this, when your reading at night, do you use the 
moon or tv or other similar light source or do you turn a light on so you 
can see the print clearly? from what you've been saying i expect i actually
need an answer to this question!


-- 
            Justin Brymer  Email: brymer@arcadia.cs.rmit.edu.au
          "If only he knew now, what he knew then" - Eddie Vedder

Justin wrote:
> 
> John R Cambron (pfairla@chesapeake.net) wrote:
> : Matt Julian Swan wrote:
> :
> : OK I got the message... I can see very fine at night thank you
> : with my sealed beam head lights. What I'am tring to say is you
> : don't need enough light to read the number on the renewal sticker
> : on the car in front of you. All you need is enough light to see
> : the road in front of you.
> 
> i strongly disagree. tell me this, when your reading at night, do you use the
> moon or tv or other similar light source or do you turn a light on so you
> can see the print clearly? from what you've been saying i expect i actually
> need an answer to this question!
> 
> --
>             Justin Brymer  Email: brymer@arcadia.cs.rmit.edu.au
>           "If only he knew now, what he knew then" - Eddie Vedder


Justin,

Listen to what you're saying (read what you're writing)! Of course you
turn on a light when reading at night rather than using ambient light
sources...what John was saying is that you don't need to get a 500w
outdoor floodlight to do the job efficiently.

Get it now?

DJ
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Tony Rae <tonyrae@netspace.net.au> wrote in article
<330e1c95.453725@news.netspace.net.au>...
> On Sun, 16 Feb 1997 22:21:47 -0700, sony@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (Kyle
> L. McNabb) wrote:
> 
> >In article <33066ADE.69AE@jps.net>, Jim <jbg4@jps.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Unfortunately I have to commute during the hours of darkness.  Why is
it 
> >> everyone needs to use their driving lights or fog lights when they are

> >> not really needed.  Also within the last 10 years most vehicles with
the 
> >> halogen/composite headlamps are set wrong from the factory.  Someone
will 
> >> come up from behind and there's enough light to read perfectly  inside
my 
> 
> >Um this is the Australian news group, Chrysler Corp doesn't exist in Aus
> >like in North America.
> >
> >Ford trucks aren't the same as well... they're what we call Ranger size
> >and compact pickups, not like OUR (north American) F-150's.
> 
> It does apply to a lot of cars here in Aust too. 
> I've seen many cars that have there headlights set wrong from the
> factory. Instead of pointing towards the road they point straight
> ahead. Nearly as bad as high beam.
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> 
OK I lost the thread and the original message quoted above about the
Australian news group and Chrysler corp. Sorry to disappoint you mate, but
Chrysler corp is well and truly in Australia.
Queensland to be precise. Who do you suppose owns Jeep.

And I though f150's were still available in Australia.
Oh I get it,  these quotes were from an article that must have been written
by an American.
The yanks are all stupid anyway


-- 
Brett Anderson

BMW and ASE master technician

Not another wanker that uses their fog / driving lights in the middle
of the day.     Must be hard to drive with on one free hand..