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In article <842468517snx@trmphrst.demon.co.uk>
   cppnews@trmphrst.demon.co.uk (Nikki Locke - Cppnews newsreader support) writes:
>I have recently been having a long conversation with Steve Nutt, who uses
>cppnews with a screen-reading speech program. He is very enthusiastic
>about the program, but has pointed out a few drawbacks in the way the
>screen is updated, which sometimes foxes his speech program.

  Hello All, I'm here!

>I am now considering putting a lot of effort into cppnews to make it more
>"speech friendly".

  I think considering is a little modest, I think you already _have_ put
  in a lot of effort.  Thank you for that.

>I now discover that there are at least two blind cppnews users, and I
>wonder if there are any more out there?
>
>If there are, I would like to involve you all in our discussions of the
>best way to improve cppnews for blind users.

  Once again, here here!

>As this is, in theory, a public newsgroup (judging by the number of spams
>we get in here :-), I would also welcome contributions from any _potential_
>users as well. If you know someone who isn't a cppnews user, but might
>want to be if it was more speech friendly, please ask them to join in.

  I have one or two ideas of other people who may want to join in.  I
  will ask them first and if anything comes of it, I'll try and get them
  to join in as well.

  Regarding our last conversation we had by mail, yes, I believe reading
  out (or writing to BIOS) all the options then the currently selected
  item is a good idea, but only once.  I.e., when you move to the next
  item, just send the current option through BIOS if possible.  Hope
  this helps.

  Thanks for a great program.  By the way, I'll try to
  get my wife Angie involved here too, as she uses CPPNews and is also
  blind, so she relies on the same speech system as I do.  Also,
  following your request for blind people to get involved, may I also
  put in a request for blind people particularly who use different
  screen readers to the one I use.  I use Vocal-Eyes by GW Micro, so if
  any blind people out there use HAL, Flipper, JAWS or any screen
  reader, do come in and hopefully, tell us how well these versions work
  with these particular speech packages.

  All the best
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In article <842931858snx@comproom.demon.co.uk>
           Steve@comproom.demon.co.uk "Steve Nutt" writes:

> In article <842468517snx@trmphrst.demon.co.uk>
>    cppnews@trmphrst.demon.co.uk (Nikki Locke - Cppnews newsreader support)
>  writes:
> >I have recently been having a long conversation with Steve Nutt, who uses
> >cppnews with a screen-reading speech program. He is very enthusiastic
> >about the program, but has pointed out a few drawbacks in the way the
> >screen is updated, which sometimes foxes his speech program.
> 
>   Hello All, I'm here!
Hy Steve and other blind colleagues,
	I use Hal5.204, and up to now - touch wood - I
haven't experienced any problems with reading
and writing in the newsgroups section.
	However, I have difficulty in deleting newsgroups from
my list as it is always the top of the
list that is deleted when I am in the delete mode, i.e., f6.
If I want to delete a group lower down in the list, I 
have to delete all the ones leading down to it.
Muting my reader and synthesizer, then counting and entering
when I 'think' I have reached the one
to be deleted doesn't work - it is 
always the top one that is deleted, then the next and
so on. 
	Adding a group is no problem.  
	As regards the mail service.  No problems
at all here - all works well so simply.
Best wishes to all. 
> >I am now considering putting a lot of effort into cppnews to make it more
> >"speech friendly".
> 
>   I think considering is a little modest, I think you already _have_ put
>   in a lot of effort.  Thank you for that.
> 
> >I now discover that there are at least two blind cppnews users, and I
> >wonder if there are any more out there?
> >
> >If there are, I would like to involve you all in our discussions of the
> >best way to improve cppnews for blind users.
> 
>   Once again, here here!
> 
> >As this is, in theory, a public newsgroup (judging by the number of spams
> >we get in here :-), I would also welcome contributions from any _potential_
> >users as well. If you know someone who isn't a cppnews user, but might
> >want to be if it was more speech friendly, please ask them to join in.
> 
>   I have one or two ideas of other people who may want to join in.  I
>   will ask them first and if anything comes of it, I'll try and get them
>   to join in as well.
> 
>   Regarding our last conversation we had by mail, yes, I believe reading
>   out (or writing to BIOS) all the options then the currently selected
>   item is a good idea, but only once.  I.e., when you move to the next
>   item, just send the current option through BIOS if possible.  Hope
>   this helps.
> 
>   Thanks for a great program.  By the way, I'll try to
>   get my wife Angie involved here too, as she uses CPPNews and is also
>   blind, so she relies on the same speech system as I do.  Also,
>   following your request for blind people to get involved, may I also
>   put in a request for blind people particularly who use different
>   screen readers to the one I use.  I use Vocal-Eyes by GW Micro, so if
>   any blind people out there use HAL, Flipper, JAWS or any screen
>   reader, do come in and hopefully, tell us how well these versions work
>   with these particular speech packages.
> 
>   All the best
> --
> Computer Room Services - for fast & confidential Braille transcription
> Telephone Voice:  +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS:  +44(0)1438 759589
> Telephone mobile:  +44(0)956 334938
> Internet:  Steve@comproom.demon.co.uk, FidoNet:  2:257/72
> 

-- 
Gerald Locke

In article <843666822snz@ting.demon.co.uk>
   Gerald@ting.demon.co.uk (Gerald Locke) writes:
> 	However, I have difficulty in deleting newsgroups from
> my list as it is always the top of the
> list that is deleted when I am in the delete mode, i.e., f6.
> If I want to delete a group lower down in the list, I 
> have to delete all the ones leading down to it.
> Muting my reader and synthesizer, then counting and entering
> when I 'think' I have reached the one
> to be deleted doesn't work - it is 
> always the top one that is deleted, then the next and
> so on. 

I don't understand this.

To delete newsgroups, you have to run the cppsetup program.

As far as I am aware, there is no "delete mode" in cppsetup, and no f6
hot key. You cursor to the group you want to delete, and hit AltD.

Alternatively, you can delete groups using cppsetup from the command line.
Just enter "cppsetup -demon.ip.cppnews" for example. The "-" (minus sign) 
indicates you wish to delete a group. A plus sign indicates you want to 
add a group.

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