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In article <843958130snx@comproom.demon.co.uk>
   Steve Nutt <Steve@comproom.demon.co.uk> writes:
> Would it be possible to include the "Re:" in subject lines on the list
> of displayed messages.  Currently, I believe you see just the subject
> line until you select the message to read it, then it says "Re:  Subject
> Line".  If I have goofed again and there is some way in the
> documentation for me to do this, please point me in the right direction
> and accept my apology for wasting your time.

Which list of displayed messages is this?

The thread display is a list of threads, and shows the subject common to 
the whole thread. Including "Re:" is therefore inappropriate.

The message list display obtained by pressing Control Z does not include 
the subject.

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In article <844222927snx@trmphrst.demon.co.uk>
   cppnews@trmphrst.demon.co.uk (Nikki Locke - Cppnews newsreader support) writes:
>Which list of displayed messages is this?
>
>The thread display is a list of threads, and shows the subject common to
>the whole thread. Including "Re:" is therefore inappropriate.

  What about if there is only one message in the thread and it contains
  "RE:" in the subject line, would it then be possible to change the
  thread listing for just the one message.  I appreciate this wouldn't
  be appropriate generally, but if you have deleted all messages in your
  thread and the next day you get one more message which contains "Re:",
  I just thought it would be quite nice to "change" the display to
  reflect that it is, in fact, a continuation of that thread, rather
  than a new message.  I agree that if there is more than one message,
  then the "Re:" should be stripped though.  By the way, I am talking
  about the thread display that hits you when you first enter your mail
  or news folder.

  Incidentally, while we are on such things, would it be possible to
  "sort" the threads a little better.  For example, in a news and mail
  folder, you may see three messages in a thread, go down a few threads,
  then see a few more with the same thread.  Why not sort them all into
  one thread?  This would be particularly helpful in lists and
  newsgroups, as you tend to "filter" a lot of rubbish.  Now you could
  "kill" all the threads, but this takes longer than just scanning down
  quickly, and finding multiple occurrences of the same thread when
  doing this is just a little irritating.  Would it be possible to do
  something about sorting?  Perhaps in the indexes?  Or, are you
  displaying all the threads in "date" order, so if a thread comes
  later, you get it again later.  Is this it?  I would be interested in
  your thoughts.

  All the best and keep up the good work.
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In article <844384411snx@comproom.demon.co.uk>
   Steve Nutt <Steve@comproom.demon.co.uk> writes:
>   What about if there is only one message in the thread and it contains
>   "RE:" in the subject line, would it then be possible to change the
>   thread listing for just the one message.

Possible. But I'm only going to do it if lots of other people think it is 
a good idea.

>   Incidentally, while we are on such things, would it be possible to
>   "sort" the threads a little better.  For example, in a news and mail
>   folder, you may see three messages in a thread, go down a few threads,
>   then see a few more with the same thread.  Why not sort them all into
>   one thread?  

You have two ways of sorting messages into threads. Either by Subject, or 
by Reference.

Sorting into threads by Reference relies on the message sender(s) putting 
correct "References" or "In-Reply-To" headers in their messages. Although 
this is the "correct" way to thread, it is not particularly good, because 
there are quite a few people out there using newsreaders that don't do 
this correctly. And there are also quite a few who press the wrong key, 
and start a new thread when they really meant to contribute to an existing
one.

Cppnews therefore also offers threading by Subject. This is selected from 
the Options menu - just turn OFF the tick next to "Thread by Reference". 
This method tries to link together all articles with the same subject. It 
uses a "fuzzy matching" process which attempts to cope with the vaguaries 
of Usenet postings. It strips of "Re:" from the start, ignores case 
distinctions, copes with truncated subjects, and ignores some other 
differences. It is not perfect, but it is usually pretty good.

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In article <844472677snx@trmphrst.demon.co.uk>,
Nikki Locke - Cppnews newsreader support <cppnews@trmphrst.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>correct "References" or "In-Reply-To" headers in their messages. Although 
>this is the "correct" way to thread, it is not particularly good, because 
>there are quite a few people out there using newsreaders that don't do 
>this correctly. And there are also quite a few who press the wrong key, 

This is much less of a problem (Malcolm Muir and the current anarchist
on demon.ip.support.unix, apart) than it used to be because all the mass
market products now thread properly.  In fact, I seem to remember that
CPPNews is one of the problem programs, as a result of not handling
continuation lines properly.

>and start a new thread when they really meant to contribute to an existing
>one.
>
>Cppnews therefore also offers threading by Subject. This is selected from 
>the Options menu - just turn OFF the tick next to "Thread by Reference". 

trn, does the best of both worlds.  It threads all threadable threads
completely, then looks at all the subjects of the articles and combines
everything with a subject in that set into a forest of thread trees.
You can still see the individual subjects and where the subject changes.

I actually implemented an outboard threader for CPPNews, a couple of years
ago in Perl, although it is limited because CPPNews can't represent
missing and expired articles and can't show subject changes in the way that
trn does.

It was in Perl, although it exposed a bug in the Perl 4 port for DOS and
I was moving to Linux at the time, so it mainly got run under Linux until
I had C-News and trn up.  I think the bug was to do with embedded carriage
return characters.

It's 248 lines long, if anyone is interested.
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