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2frtwoody@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Jesse Slicer) writes:

>Say gang?  Where has everybody been as of late?  This place seems fairly dead
>as far as newsgroups go.  So let's get up a nice lively topic.  How about the
>Kansas abortion bill?  Good, too restrictive, not restrictive enough?!?  Let's
>hear some action! 

Hi Jesse!

Abortion?  In this group!  Whoa!  This is not a very good ice breaker.

Let's talk about KU-Manhattan.  Why does KU want to usurp K-State's
academic computing?  Well, I guess that's a pretty defensive topic.
We'll drop that one too.

I would like to know (actually) what the undergraduate computer
science programs are like in other schools across the state.  Do you
get experience working on multi-user environments?  What operating
systems do you work with primarily?  DOS, UNIX, VMS?  What languages
do you come out having learned?

Here at K-State, freshman typically use DOS boxes to learn Pascal.
The assembly course is taught on PDP-11's, running RT11.  The
introductory OS course is taught with a UNIX system, and introduces
students to C.  The Software Engineering course is taught with C as
well, and students typically use SunOS running X11R5.  The typical
student will come out without any VMS experience at all.

Recently, every student on campus is allowed a UNIX account on
matt.ksu.ksu.edu, usually limited to a 2 meg disk quota.  matt is a
Solbourne, configured with 4 processors.  As usual, any student may
also have an account on the IBM box, KSUVM, which has (to my knowledge
(i am not too sure)) MVS and CMS.  There are a few PC labs here and
there.

G'night, Gracie.

>Jesse C. Slicer
>University of Kansas Computer Science
>Internet: 2frtwoody@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
>Bitnet: 2frtwoody@bitnet.ukanvax

>"A mind is a wonderful thing to waste!"

You watched "Growing Pains", didn't ya'?
-- 
James C. Hu (jxh@math.ksu.edu), 1804 Denholm Dr., Manhattan, KS 66502
Opinions expressed are mine.  Let me know if they are someone else's.

jxh@math.ksu.edu (James C. Hu) writes:

>Let's talk about KU-Manhattan.  Why does KU want to usurp K-State's
>academic computing?  Well, I guess that's a pretty defensive topic.
>We'll drop that one too.

Actually, that's administrative computing (student records, purchasing,
payroll, etc.).  You KU'ers might want to ask your local suits why they
seem so willing to spend a lot of KU money so KSU can move its MVS and
VM systems to KU's Amdahl.

Oh, hadn't you heard of this plan?  The suits here haven't exactly
been broadcasting it to the world either.

[ speaking only for myself, of course ]

tar@math.ksu.edu (Tim Ramsey) writes:

>jxh@math.ksu.edu (James C. Hu) writes:

>>Let's talk about KU-Manhattan.  Why does KU want to usurp K-State's
>>academic computing?  Well, I guess that's a pretty defensive topic.
>>We'll drop that one too.

>Actually, that's administrative computing (student records, purchasing,
>payroll, etc.).  You KU'ers might want to ask your local suits why they
>seem so willing to spend a lot of KU money so KSU can move its MVS and
>VM systems to KU's Amdahl.

  Actually, accourding to some sources I interviewed for a paper on this,
ALL of the functions currently on our IBM mf will be moved including 
academic and administrative stuff.  Of course, insert your standard
disclaimer here as all this is totally unofficial and still in the
planning stages.  Nobody really knows whats going to happen, if anything.
-- 
  Bruce White(bewhite@matt.ksu.ksu.edu)
  "I live like I type - Fast, and with a lot of mistakes"

In article <s0qm2INN3am@hilbert.math.ksu.edu> tar@math.ksu.edu (Tim Ramsey) writes:
>jxh@math.ksu.edu (James C. Hu) writes:
>
>>Let's talk about KU-Manhattan.  Why does KU want to usurp K-State's
>>academic computing?  Well, I guess that's a pretty defensive topic.
>>We'll drop that one too.
>
>Actually, that's administrative computing (student records, purchasing,
>payroll, etc.).  [...]

  But not strictly administrative computing.  The library system is
academic computing but will be moving to KU if such a thing happens.
Any academic computing on the mainframe would move or migrate to other
platforms.  Expect a surge in the number of Unix systems if the move
takes place.

>Oh, hadn't you heard of this plan?  The suits here haven't exactly
>been broadcasting it to the world either.

  I've heard to expect more information in July.  We have already met
with Walentine to detail our computing needs.  I still get the impression 
that the decision is going to be based on costs and not how well it
meets the users needs.  Hopefully they will look at the users needs
before making a final decision if the dollar figure looks good.

-- 
Dan Scott : NOTIS Tech 1 : dscott@{matt.ksu.edu|ksuvm.{ksu.edu|bitnet}}
Farrell Library, Kansas State University, Manhattan, KS 66502 - 913.532.7461

> I would like to know (actually) what the undergraduate computer
> science programs are like in other schools across the state.  Do you
> get experience working on multi-user environments?  What operating
> systems do you work with primarily?  DOS, UNIX, VMS?  What languages
> do you come out having learned?

KU's undergraduate computer science curriculum is fairly restrictive.  Every
class I have taken so far has used VAX/VMS.  Except for CS 200, which uses a
very wimpy Pascal INTERPRETER for the Macintoshes.  The only language that
is enforced as a teaching device is Pascal.  While there are classes in C
and Lisp (!), they don't have much ramifications anywhere else in the program.
Anyhow, I'll step down off of my soapbox for the time being.
Jesse

By the way, "A mind is a wonderful thing to waste" comes off the back of a
t-shirt that I wear that has a picture of Einstein wearing sunglasses.

> very wimpy Pascal INTERPRETER for the Macintoshes.  The only language that

I think they've moved to a Pascal COMPILER now 8-)

665instr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (CS 665 Lab GTA) writes:

>I think they've moved to a Pascal COMPILER now 8-)

Actually, I did attend KU last year for a semester.  I took one CS
course while I was there: CS 400.  It was the VAX assembler course
taught on the VM, and I remember that I had to brush up on my Pascal.
Are they teaching Pascal on the VAX now?  The VAX did have a C
compiler, which I used a little to write some small utilities for
myself.

Which course uses lisp?  I am taking a course here now that uses
scheme.  It is called "Introduction to Programming Languages".  We are
learning just that, from what I can tell so far...
-- 
James C. Hu (jxh@math.ksu.edu), 1804 Denholm Dr., Manhattan, KS 66502
Opinions expressed are mine.  Let me know if they are someone else's.

jxh@math.ksu.edu (James C. Hu) writes:
>Which course uses lisp?  I am taking a course here now that uses
>scheme.  It is called "Introduction to Programming Languages".  We are
>learning just that, from what I can tell so far...

  Let me know if you DO learn anthing from that class!  At least, let me 
know if you learn more than "what a compiler is" and "what an 
interpretor is".  I sat in that class for 16 weeks and that was the whole
point of it all, so Dr. Danvy told me anyway.  What a waste.

-=- Brett
-- 
Brett D. Watson
brettw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu | brettw@harris.cis.ksu.edu

> 
> I think they've moved to a Pascal COMPILER now 8-)
> 
Now THERE is a step into the late 1980's for ya!  Perhaps maybe now they have
it save in standard ASCII format......  Now I'm railing on them too much.  665
Lab GTA, eh?  Looks like I may run into you next semester then.
-- 

Jesse C. Slicer
University of Kansas Computer Science
Internet: 2frtwoody@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Bitnet: 2frtwoody@bitnet.ukanvax

"A mind is a wonderful thing to waste!"

jxh@math.ksu.edu (James C. Hu) writes:

>course while I was there: CS 400.  It was the VAX assembler course
>taught on the VM, and I remember that I had to brush up on my Pascal.

Wow, what a concept: VAX assembler, only it's done on a VM box with
Pascal.  Cool, dood.

Next semester I hear they're offering Cray Ada done on a Timex-Sinclair
1000 in BASIC.