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packer@fermi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:

>A friend told me, at 9:20 AM EST, that there was radio news of
>a quake in the San Fernando Valley, west of Los Angeles.
>Occurred around 4 AM, PST. How about some firsthand reports?
>There are a lot of net folks out there. At 11;30 AM EST I see
>nothing in ca.earthquakes, but somebody in sci.geo.geology said
>there is already traffic in that newsgroup about the quake

At 4:31 A.M. a 6.5 centered in Northridge in the San Fernando Valley
occured.

Power and phones are out. Freeway overpasses have collapsed. Having
recently moved to the east coast from the Northridge area I've already
been in contact with relatives and friends in Northridge and the surrounding
area -- most people in their right minds aren't in a big rush to go to 
work and get on the net.

It's also a holiday for a lot of people too.

Give 'em a chance though, they'll be on as soon as it's safe to do so.

--

Kaleb Keithley

I estimate MM intensity approx III-IV here in the University City
section of San Diego, in a wood frame house on a mesa. Somewhat weaker
than my Landers experience in another wood frame house on another San
Diego mesa (Mira Mesa), for which I estimated IV-V.

I was awake at the time, having just climbed into bed after a long
night of hacking. EXACTLY the same personal circumstances as for
Landers. Eerie.

No noticeable aftershocks so far. No damage that I'm aware of in San
Diego.

Phil

packer@fermi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:



>A friend told me, at 9:20 AM EST, that there was radio news of
>a quake in the San Fernando Valley, west of Los Angeles.
>Occurred around 4 AM, PST. How about some firsthand reports?
>There are a lot of net folks out there. At 11;30 AM EST I see
>nothing in ca.earthquakes, but somebody in sci.geo.geology said
>there is already traffic in that newsgroup about the quake


Yes there is in alt.current-events.usa and  bit.listserv.banyan-l


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packer@fermi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
>A friend told me, at 9:20 AM EST, that there was radio news of
>a quake in the San Fernando Valley, west of Los Angeles.
>Occurred around 4 AM, PST. How about some firsthand reports?
>There are a lot of net folks out there. At 11;30 AM EST I see
>nothing in ca.earthquakes, but somebody in sci.geo.geology said
>there is already traffic in that newsgroup about the quake

Fresh from sci.geo.geology: (quoted w/o permission)

Southern California earthquake:

epicenter: 34.0 N / 118.7 W
                  Depth 10 km

event time 12:30 Universal Time

Magnitude: 6.6

Dave "further bulletins as events warrant" DeLaney
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in article <2heec7$qfd@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> packer@fermi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) scribbles in crayon:
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>A friend told me, at 9:20 AM EST, that there was radio news of
>a quake in the San Fernando Valley, west of Los Angeles.
>Occurred around 4 AM, PST. How about some firsthand reports?
>There are a lot of net folks out there. At 11;30 AM EST I see
>nothing in ca.earthquakes, but somebody in sci.geo.geology said
>there is already traffic in that newsgroup about the quake

i think it completely irresponsible on the part of sacramento lawmakers
never to have enacted *any* policy illegalizing or at least sharply
limiting the size of earthquakes.  what do they think they're paid for?

d
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In article <mofoCJsBvs.DzE@netcom.com> mofo@netcom.com (mofo) writes:
>in article <2heec7$qfd@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> packer@fermi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) scribbles in crayon:
>>
>>A friend told me, at 9:20 AM EST, that there was radio news of
>>a quake in the San Fernando Valley, west of Los Angeles.
>>Occurred around 4 AM, PST. How about some firsthand reports?

>i think it completely irresponsible on the part of sacramento lawmakers
>never to have enacted *any* policy illegalizing or at least sharply
>limiting the size of earthquakes.  what do they think they're paid for?

I hear they're going to institute a 15-day waiting period to allow people
time to prepare (or panic).

Karl Dussik                | Standard disclaimer: Speaking only for myself. |
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In article <reiser-170194145852@macw-sir.inel.gov>,
Steven Reiser, P.E. <reiser@pmafire.inel.gov> wrote:
>
>At least 9 states and rumors of up to 14 states in the west lost power.

Here's some "Packer bait".  In San Diego I woke up at 4:31 because the
closet doors rattled a few seconds.  That's it.  No electricity outage
at all.  I was awakened again a couple hours later by a phone call from
a frantic relative back east wondering if we were OK.  That's the first
I knew it wasn't a normal little rumble.  We're probably 120 - 150 miles 
from the epicenter.

Disclaimer:  Our power is supplied by SDG&E (as in San Diego) and I
sleep on a waveless waterbed.

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	Intermittent newsfeed at best and only to selected groups.
	My opinions certainly don't match those of my employer.

In article <1994Jan18.161508.1303@spectra.com>,
Boyd Johnson <johnson@spectra.com> wrote:
>Here's some "Packer bait".  In San Diego I woke up at 4:31 because the
>closet doors rattled a few seconds.  That's it.  No electricity outage

Whoa! Have I acquired some kind of reputation, or what?

My motive in asking for firsthand reports is to promote the use
of the net as a direct source of news, short-circuiting the 
establishment press. That's the same goal as the various futurist
global-village prophets were proclaiming for years before
it all became feasible. 

People seem to be reluctant to tell their stories, though, if the
response to date is any indication. Of course, I'd expect it to be
a while before Cal State students get back on-line. At any
rate, you don't have to be some kind of fantastic prose stylist
to write on the net, and just about any experience of a rare event
like this would be of interest.

For example, in 1971 my father, a retired nuclear engineer
without any special poetic gifts, was able to evoke the
experience of the Sylmar quake as felt in Pasadena very
concisely. He said it was like standing on a passenger train
-- of the type where you can walk from one car to another --
in the vestibule between two cars, and being jerked back and
forth as the train traveled at high speed.

In article <1994Jan18.161508.1303@spectra.com>, Boyd Johnson writes:

> In article <reiser-170194145852@macw-sir.inel.gov>,
> Steven Reiser, P.E. <reiser@pmafire.inel.gov> wrote:
> >
> >At least 9 states and rumors of up to 14 states in the west lost power.
>
I think they might have been referring to the fact that power generating
facilities in that many states shut down. The L.A. basin purchases power
from that far away and some of those generating facilities are almost
exclusively for their use.

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In <cvZcu*+Og@caron.ati.com> ronell@caron.ati.com (Ronald Elliott) writes:
>In article <1994Jan18.161508.1303@spectra.com>, Boyd Johnson writes:
>> In article <reiser-170194145852@macw-sir.inel.gov>,
>> Steven Reiser, P.E. <reiser@pmafire.inel.gov> wrote:
>> >
>> >At least 9 states and rumors of up to 14 states in the west lost power.
>>
>I think they might have been referring to the fact that power generating
>facilities in that many states shut down. The L.A. basin purchases power
>from that far away and some of those generating facilities are almost
>exclusively for their use.

The problem that occurred was that the western states are on a huge power
grid.  When a huge power load (and LA is a *big* load) is suddenly removed
from the grid, there is a pulse created on the grid due to overgeneration
that just can't stop instantly.  The pulse traveled thru 14 states of the
power grid before damping itself out.  The power pulse caused systems in
those 14 states to trip offline, but they were brought back online when the
grid stabilized. 

I'm not an expert, that's just how it was explained to me.
--GaryM

In article <cvZcu*+Og@caron.ati.com>, ronell@caron.ati.com (Ronald Elliott) says:

>In article <1994Jan18.161508.1303@spectra.com>, Boyd Johnson writes:

>I think they might have been referring to the fact that power generating
>facilities in that many states shut down. The L.A. basin purchases power
>from that far away and some of those generating facilities are almost
>exclusively for their use.

The actual problem was with the Pacific Intertie, the damage  to the link
into Los Angeles, created a cascading overload into the power grid as
I have been led to believe.  I'd be interested in hearing about outages and
durations in other areas.  Also, from anyone directly involved with the Pacific
power distribution grid