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Josh B wrote in message <36415F77.CEAE5997@ozemail.com.au>...

> Does anyone know where the Windows 95 hardware devices are kept.

Usually in the case. Some are outside the case.

> Are they stored in the registry or another place.

Its a bit more complex than it looks. Win9x does keep track of what has
previously been installed, mainly for the situation where hardware may or
may not be always seen at boot time, particulary with the stuff that can
be powered off at boot time or not be plugged in like with external stuff.

> My problem is thus:

Your problem is this:

> To use my scanner, I have to disable my network card. I can't
> seem to use the both together. I've had long discussions with
> people in both NGs, but I can't work the problem out.

Did you actually try what was suggested ?  Particularly removing something
that uses an IRQ and seeing if it would allocate the resources to both of
those in THAT situation so you can use them both at the same time.

> So the best I can do is disable either one or
> the other when I need to use one or the other.

Bet its possible to end up with a better solution than that.

> I was thinking that if values were stored in a registry, I could
> just make a .reg file and that could change values easily.

Its more complicated than that because Win9x attempts to
detect what is present at boot time, mainly to cover the situation
where some stuff may not be powered up at boot time etc.

And you dont need to use .reg files to achieve what you want to do, there is
a hardware profiles system in the device manager which does what you want.

> Can anyone think of a better solution?

Fix the fundamental problem so you can get the scanner
and network card working together. That has to be possible.

If you dont want to do that, use the hardware profiles.

why don't u just go to control panel and click on system and then double
click device manager and choose a hardware profile to disable, it should be
as simple as that if I understand u right...

Rod Speed wrote in message <71rrbg$g4$1@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>...
>
>Josh B wrote in message <36415F77.CEAE5997@ozemail.com.au>...
>
>> Does anyone know where the Windows 95 hardware devices are kept.
>
>Usually in the case. Some are outside the case.
>
>> Are they stored in the registry or another place.
>
>Its a bit more complex than it looks. Win9x does keep track of what has
>previously been installed, mainly for the situation where hardware may or
>may not be always seen at boot time, particulary with the stuff that can
>be powered off at boot time or not be plugged in like with external stuff.
>
>> My problem is thus:
>
>Your problem is this:
>
>> To use my scanner, I have to disable my network card. I can't
>> seem to use the both together. I've had long discussions with
>> people in both NGs, but I can't work the problem out.
>
>Did you actually try what was suggested ?  Particularly removing something
>that uses an IRQ and seeing if it would allocate the resources to both of
>those in THAT situation so you can use them both at the same time.
>
>> So the best I can do is disable either one or
>> the other when I need to use one or the other.
>
>Bet its possible to end up with a better solution than that.
>
>> I was thinking that if values were stored in a registry, I could
>> just make a .reg file and that could change values easily.
>
>Its more complicated than that because Win9x attempts to
>detect what is present at boot time, mainly to cover the situation
>where some stuff may not be powered up at boot time etc.
>
>And you dont need to use .reg files to achieve what you want to do, there
is
>a hardware profiles system in the device manager which does what you want.
>
>> Can anyone think of a better solution?
>
>Fix the fundamental problem so you can get the scanner
>and network card working together. That has to be possible.
>
>If you dont want to do that, use the hardware profiles.
>
>
>

> > Does anyone know where the Windows 95 hardware devices are kept.
>
> Usually in the case. Some are outside the case.

Haha. I see you haven't lost your comic ability.

> > To use my scanner, I have to disable my network card. I can't
> > seem to use the both together. I've had long discussions with
> > people in both NGs, but I can't work the problem out.
>
> Did you actually try what was suggested ?  Particularly removing something
> that uses an IRQ and seeing if it would allocate the resources to both of
> those in THAT situation so you can use them both at the same time.

No because I need everything else.

> > So the best I can do is disable either one or
> > the other when I need to use one or the other.
>
> Bet its possible to end up with a better solution than that.

I'm sure it is, but I can't envisage one.

> > I was thinking that if values were stored in a registry, I could
> > just make a .reg file and that could change values easily.
>
> Its more complicated than that because Win9x attempts to
> detect what is present at boot time, mainly to cover the situation
> where some stuff may not be powered up at boot time etc.

Yeah, thought that may be the case.

> And you dont need to use .reg files to achieve what you want to do, there is
> a hardware profiles system in the device manager which does what you want.

Ah, so that's what that does.

> If you dont want to do that, use the hardware profiles.

So do I do that through device manager, properties, exists in all properties
(unchecking the box)?

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On Thu, 05 Nov 1998 19:19:03 +1100, Josh B <joshb.DELETEME.@ozemail.com.au>
wrote:

>Here is a challenging one for all computer nerds alike:
>
>Does anyone know where the Windows 95 hardware devices are kept. Are
>they stored in the registry or another place.

All in the registry

>My problem is thus:
>To use my scanner, I have to disable my network card. I can't seem to

What irqs CAN the scanner use?  what i/o can the scanner use?
What irqs CAN the network card use?  what i/o does the network card use?

>use the both together. I've had long discussions with people in both
>NGs, but I can't work the problem out. So the best I can do is disable
>either one or the other when I need to use one or the other. I was
>thinking that if values were stored in a registry, I could just make a
>.reg file and that could change values easily.
>
>Can anyone think of a better solution?

do not want to think about that yet.

>
>Thanks -- Josh
>
>NOTE: Cross posted to both ozemail.users and aus.computers.ibm-pc.

Josh B wrote in message <36418586.2223492F@ozemail.com.au>...

>>> To use my scanner, I have to disable my network card. I can't
>>> seem to use the both together. I've had long discussions with
>>> people in both NGs, but I can't work the problem out.

>> Did you actually try what was suggested ?  Particularly removing something
>> that uses an IRQ and seeing if it would allocate the resources to both of
>> those in THAT situation so you can use them both at the same time.

> No because I need everything else.

I wasnt suggesting it as a permanent config, just as a test to see
if you could get the system to allocate the IRQs more intelligently.

You arw having a problem with a bios which has limited manual
control over the allocation of IRQs to devices and one way around
that would be to get it to boot without the extreme shortage of IRQs
but with both the scanner and the network card still in the system. It
may well then allocate separate IRQs to those two properly and be able
to allocate the hardware you removed properly when you add that last.

The bios keeps track of device allocations in the ESCD.

>>> So the best I can do is disable either one or
>>> the other when I need to use one or the other.

>> Bet its possible to end up with a better solution than that.

> I'm sure it is, but I can't envisage one.

Bet its possible to get the IRQs allocated properly
because you arent as short of IRQs as you think.

You're basically attempting to resort to a manual workaround
before you have carefully checked that it isnt possible to get the
system allocating resources properly with all the hardware in use.

>>> I was thinking that if values were stored in a registry, I could
>>> just make a .reg file and that could change values easily.

>> Its more complicated than that because Win9x attempts to
>> detect what is present at boot time, mainly to cover the situation
>> where some stuff may not be powered up at boot time etc.

> Yeah, thought that may be the case.

>> And you dont need to use .reg files to achieve what you want to do, there is
>> a hardware profiles system in the device manager which does what you want.

> Ah, so that's what that does.

Yeah, if you do want a manual workaround, thats the way to do it.

>> If you dont want to do that, use the hardware profiles.

> So do I do that through device manager, properties,
> exists in all properties (unchecking the box)?

Well, you obviously need two separate profiles, one each
with one of the scanner/network card pair enabled. There's
a separate Hardware Profiles tab in the Device Manager.

> >My problem is thus:
> >To use my scanner, I have to disable my network card. I can't seem to
>
> What irqs CAN the scanner use?  what i/o can the scanner use?
> What irqs CAN the network card use?  what i/o does the network card use?

Hi Derek.

The scanner SCSI card (sorry, I don't think I said SCSI) can use IRQ 9, 10, 11,
12. It is currently set (I'm using the scanner currently and not the NIC) on
10, and it can accept 140 or 340 as the I/O.

I'm not really sure what the NIC can use, but I think it is only IRQ 10 and not
sure about the I/O. In Win95 settings, the basic config. button only has one
setting it can use.


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Josh B wrote in message <36426F32.94179D5@ozemail.com.au>...

> The scanner SCSI card (sorry, I don't think I said SCSI) can use
> IRQ 9, 10, 11, 12. It is currently set (I'm using the scanner currently
> and not the NIC) on 10, and it can accept 140 or 340 as the I/O.

How did you decide that, the same way as with the NIC below ?

> I'm not really sure what the NIC can use, but I think it is
> only IRQ 10 and not sure about the I/O. In Win95 settings,
> the basic config. button only has one setting it can use.

That stuff depends on whether Win9x has managed to identify
the NIC properly and how you installed it. If you used the Have
Disk option it essentially uses the .inf for that detail, its a bit
different with a NIC that it has identified for itself with a hardware
scan and you never used anything that came with the NIC.

You dont appear to have said exactly what the NIC
is model wise etc tho you do imply that its a new
PnP card. Rather unlikely to be that limited if it is.

> > The scanner SCSI card (sorry, I don't think I said SCSI) can use
> > IRQ 9, 10, 11, 12. It is currently set (I'm using the scanner currently
> > and not the NIC) on 10, and it can accept 140 or 340 as the I/O.
>
> How did you decide that, the same way as with the NIC below ?

I looked in the manual. But the NIC doesn't have these setting in the manual.

> > I'm not really sure what the NIC can use, but I think it is
> > only IRQ 10 and not sure about the I/O. In Win95 settings,
> > the basic config. button only has one setting it can use.
>
> That stuff depends on whether Win9x has managed to identify
> the NIC properly and how you installed it. If you used the Have
> Disk option it essentially uses the .inf for that detail, its a bit
> different with a NIC that it has identified for itself with a hardware
> scan and you never used anything that came with the NIC.

Used a disk.

> You dont appear to have said exactly what the NIC
> is model wise etc tho you do imply that its a new
> PnP card. Rather unlikely to be that limited if it is.

It is a MicraDigital PCI PnP 10mbps network card.

I tried to install it like I did the ISA card in my old 486, but Win95 said
it was PnP, and it installed it itself.


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Josh B wrote in message <36427C2F.FCEEF815@ozemail.com.au>...

>>> The scanner SCSI card (sorry, I don't think I said SCSI) can use
>>> IRQ 9, 10, 11, 12. It is currently set (I'm using the scanner currently
>>> and not the NIC) on 10, and it can accept 140 or 340 as the I/O.

>> How did you decide that, the same way as with the NIC below ?

> I looked in the manual.

OK, likely reliable info. Just which card is it ?

> But the NIC doesn't have these setting in the manual.

Yeah, not that uncommon with PnP.

>>> I'm not really sure what the NIC can use, but I think it is
>>> only IRQ 10 and not sure about the I/O. In Win95 settings,
>>> the basic config. button only has one setting it can use.

>> That stuff depends on whether Win9x has managed to identify
>> the NIC properly and how you installed it. If you used the Have
>> Disk option it essentially uses the .inf for that detail, its a bit
>> different with a NIC that it has identified for itself with a hardware
>> scan and you never used anything that came with the NIC.

> Used a disk.

Try deleting it and installing it by having Win9x scan for new hardware. It does
a pretty good job with quite a few NICs and may well solve your problem.

Delete the NIC from the device manager. Turn the system off and
remove the NIC. Reboot right thru into Win9x with the NIC missing.

Turn it off, install the NIC again. It may or may not be auto identified
at boot time, if it isnt tell Win9x to scan for new hardware.

>> You dont appear to have said exactly what the NIC
>> is model wise etc tho you do imply that its a new
>> PnP card. Rather unlikely to be that limited if it is.

> It is a MicraDigital PCI PnP 10mbps network card.

OK, may show up as Realtek with Win9x scanning for new hardwar.

> I tried to install it like I did the ISA card in my old 486,
> but Win95 said it was PnP, and it installed it itself.

Worth trying without the disk, Win9x may do a rather better job by itself.

> >>> The scanner SCSI card (sorry, I don't think I said SCSI) can use
> >>> IRQ 9, 10, 11, 12. It is currently set (I'm using the scanner currently
> >>> and not the NIC) on 10, and it can accept 140 or 340 as the I/O.
>
> >> How did you decide that, the same way as with the NIC below ?
>
> > I looked in the manual.
>
> OK, likely reliable info. Just which card is it ?

What, the SCSI or the NIC. SCSI is a Adaptec AVA-1502AP supplied in the box with my
Cannon scanner.

> >>> I'm not really sure what the NIC can use, but I think it is
> >>> only IRQ 10 and not sure about the I/O. In Win95 settings,
> >>> the basic config. button only has one setting it can use.
>
> >> That stuff depends on whether Win9x has managed to identify
> >> the NIC properly and how you installed it. If you used the Have
> >> Disk option it essentially uses the .inf for that detail, its a bit
> >> different with a NIC that it has identified for itself with a hardware
> >> scan and you never used anything that came with the NIC.
>
> > Used a disk.
>
> Try deleting it and installing it by having Win9x scan for new hardware. It does
> a pretty good job with quite a few NICs and may well solve your problem.

What, as a default NIC.

I used the scan new hardware as the manual suggested, and then you specify the file
on the disk as the 'Other Locations'.

> >> You dont appear to have said exactly what the NIC
> >> is model wise etc tho you do imply that its a new
> >> PnP card. Rather unlikely to be that limited if it is.
>
> > It is a MicraDigital PCI PnP 10mbps network card.
>
> OK, may show up as Realtek with Win9x scanning for new hardwar.

Yeah, the ISA came up as a Realtek. But in the scan for new hardware, Win95 called
it a Pcind3 Ethernet Adapter.

> > I tried to install it like I did the ISA card in my old 486,
> > but Win95 said it was PnP, and it installed it itself.
>
> Worth trying without the disk, Win9x may do a rather better job by itself.

Will do.

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Josh B wrote in message <36427F92.7B1EB685@ozemail.com.au>...

>>>>> The scanner SCSI card (sorry, I don't think I said SCSI) can use
>>>>> IRQ 9, 10, 11, 12. It is currently set (I'm using the scanner currently
>>>>> and not the NIC) on 10, and it can accept 140 or 340 as the I/O.

>>>> How did you decide that, the same way as with the NIC below ?

>>> I looked in the manual.

>> OK, likely reliable info. Just which card is it ?

> What, the SCSI or the NIC.

The SCSI card.

> SCSI is a Adaptec AVA-1502AP supplied in the box with my Cannon scanner.

Just wondered in case it had some known PnP quirk.

>>>>> I'm not really sure what the NIC can use, but I think it is
>>>>> only IRQ 10 and not sure about the I/O. In Win95 settings,
>>>>> the basic config. button only has one setting it can use.

>>>> That stuff depends on whether Win9x has managed to identify
>>>> the NIC properly and how you installed it. If you used the Have
>>>> Disk option it essentially uses the .inf for that detail, its a bit
>>>> different with a NIC that it has identified for itself with a hardware
>>>> scan and you never used anything that came with the NIC.

>>> Used a disk.

>> Try deleting it and installing it by having Win9x scan for new hardware. It does
>> a pretty good job with quite a few NICs and may well solve your problem.

> What, as a default NIC.

It doesnt normally do that with NICs, it normally manages
to work out what they are and install them appropriately.

> I used the scan new hardware as the manual suggested,

Did it claim to have found a NIC it recognised ?

> and then you specify the file on the disk as the 'Other Locations'.

?  You normally hit the Have Disk button.

>>>> You dont appear to have said exactly what the NIC
>>>> is model wise etc tho you do imply that its a new
>>>> PnP card. Rather unlikely to be that limited if it is.

>>> It is a MicraDigital PCI PnP 10mbps network card.

>> OK, may show up as Realtek with Win9x scanning for new hardwar.

> Yeah, the ISA came up as a Realtek.

What ?  What ISA ?

> But in the scan for new hardware, Win95 called it a Pcind3 Ethernet Adapter.

OK. Just accept that and dont use the disk. It may well ask
you for the Win95 distribution to get the drivers etc for it.

>> > I tried to install it like I did the ISA card in my old 486,
>> > but Win95 said it was PnP, and it installed it itself.

>> Worth trying without the disk, Win9x may do a rather better job by itself.

> Will do.

And if that doesnt work, try doing it all again with the sound card
removed. Remove the NIC and sound card, reboot right up into Win95.
Turn the system off and install just the NIC, dont use the disk supplied
with the NIC. That's in case its getting a bit confused with a shortage
of IRQs. Then if that works with both the scanner and the NIC, add
the sound card last and it may well be able to allocate it properly too.

> >>> It is a MicraDigital PCI PnP 10mbps network card.
>
> >> OK, may show up as Realtek with Win9x scanning for new hardwar.
>
> > Yeah, the ISA came up as a Realtek.
>
> What ?  What ISA ?

Ah woops. The ISA is the card in the other computer I'm networking.

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Ok, bigger problem now!

I deleted the NIC, and tried to reinstall it as Rod suggested. However,
now I can't install the card.

Whenever Win95 tells me it found the NIC, it installs and gets to 100%
installed, but then the computer crashes. It starts alright, but when I go
to the Win95 system devices thingo, it says to change the drivers, but
that isn't possible.

Does anyone know what's wrong. I think it is stuffing up because of it IO
problems, but hopefully someone may know.

Thanks -- Josh




> Here is a challenging one for all computer nerds alike:
>
> Does anyone know where the Windows 95 hardware devices are kept. Are
> they stored in the registry or another place.
>
> My problem is thus:
> To use my scanner, I have to disable my network card. I can't seem to
> use the both together. I've had long discussions with people in both
> NGs, but I can't work the problem out. So the best I can do is disable
> either one or the other when I need to use one or the other. I was
> thinking that if values were stored in a registry, I could just make a
> .reg file and that could change values easily.
>
> Can anyone think of a better solution?
>
> Thanks -- Josh
>
> NOTE: Cross posted to both ozemail.users and aus.computers.ibm-pc.
>
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Josh B wrote in message <364525C7.76523568@ozemail.com.au>...

> Ok, bigger problem now!

> I deleted the NIC, and tried to reinstall it as Rod
> suggested. However, now I can't install the card.

> Whenever Win95 tells me it found the NIC, it installs and
> gets to 100% installed, but then the computer crashes.
> It starts alright, but when I go to the Win95 system devices
> thingo, it says to change the drivers, but that isn't possible.

> Does anyone know what's wrong. I think it is stuffing up
> because of it IO problems, but hopefully someone may know.

Try installing it with the SCSI card removed. If it will install fine
like that, you can then install the SCSI card as a separate step.

> > Ok, bigger problem now!
>
> > I deleted the NIC, and tried to reinstall it as Rod
> > suggested. However, now I can't install the card.
>
> > Whenever Win95 tells me it found the NIC, it installs and
> > gets to 100% installed, but then the computer crashes.
> > It starts alright, but when I go to the Win95 system devices
> > thingo, it says to change the drivers, but that isn't possible.
>
> > Does anyone know what's wrong. I think it is stuffing up
> > because of it IO problems, but hopefully someone may know.
>
> Try installing it with the SCSI card removed. If it will install fine
> like that, you can then install the SCSI card as a separate step.

Tried that. It didn't work. I think a format will do wonders!

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Josh,
           Just happened to read your email by chance. Your problem is
that the network is conflicting with whichever port you are connecting
your scanner to.
Windows stored device parameters in MY COMPUTER, CONTROL PANEL, DEVICE
MANAGER. Here you can click on the individual devices to examine or change
device parameters. BE CAREFUL. Whenever you click OK, changes within the
operating system tahe effect. i.e. Be very deliberate about the changes
that you make, and as a rule choose CANCEL unless you are making a
deliberate change.

Most devices listed in the device manager will have details about the buss
address and IRQ parameters that device is currently using and whether or
not the device is conflicting with another. Usually problems such as yours
are caused by conflicts between devices. You change change the buss
address and IRQ (interrupt request) parameters to resolve this conflict.
To do this first inspect all the devices listed by the device manager
making notes about the parameter currently in use. Next determine if there
are any buss address and/or IRQ numbers that can be used to resolve the
conflict. Check also if there are any jumper settings on the network card
associated with the buss addressing or IRQ settings and change them to
software configured settings or select settings that you have determined
will resolve the conflict, which ever is applicable. When inspecting the
card for jumper settings, keep in mind that information on the card is
very literal, If you think thats what it means usually, it does.

Good Luck

Luckyphill@futureweb.com.au
BRAINSTORM COMPUTERS

Josh B wrote:

> Here is a challenging one for all computer nerds alike:
>
> Does anyone know where the Windows 95 hardware devices are kept. Are
> they stored in the registry or another place.
>
> My problem is thus:
> To use my scanner, I have to disable my network card. I can't seem to
> use the both together. I've had long discussions with people in both
> NGs, but I can't work the problem out. So the best I can do is disable
> either one or the other when I need to use one or the other. I was
> thinking that if values were stored in a registry, I could just make a
> .reg file and that could change values easily.
>
> Can anyone think of a better solution?
>
> Thanks -- Josh
>
> NOTE: Cross posted to both ozemail.users and aus.computers.ibm-pc.
>
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