🚀 go-pugleaf

Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>> Bluuuue Rajah wrote:
>>> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
>>> Linux is obviuosly better, if you have the time and the expertise
>>> to use in it, but until this week I didn't understand exaclty why
>>> Windows is such a POS.
>>>
>>> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed
>>> an update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f
>>> command, the reason beame clear.  Windows' install/uninstall method
>>> causes bugs to accumulate, if programs are not ununstalled in
>>> precise the reverse order of which they were installed.
>>>
>>> The problem is that terrible method of saving old copies of system
>>> files, like .ini files, as backups, to be restored when software is
>>> uninstalled.  So the more apps you uninstall, out of order, the
>>> buggier your system becomes, until you finally have to reinstall
>>> the OS.
>>>
>>> Linux apparently doesn't have anything resembling this problem,
>>> which makes me wonder, how did the Linux designers (Torvald?)
>>> handle this problem, and can we learn anything from their solution
>>> to help minimize the problem with Windows?
>>>
>>> Your thoughts?
>>
>> I think you have made gross generalizations based off personal 
>> experience - which are usually proven inaccurate (at best.)
>>
>> I utilize many different operating systems (and flavors/versions of 
>> said operating systems) and if there is a single OS that is not 
>> lacking in one or more (mostly more after years of use on any given 
>> OS) ways, I have yet to come across it.  Many times - some of the 
>> 'problems' found could have been avoided with experience and know-how 
>> on the part of the user - which is acceptable in most cases because I 
>> don't believe someone whould 'hold my hand' in everything I do.  Also 
>> - many times - it is a 'personal' issue with the OS - meaning it won't 
>> do something the end-user believes it *should* do.
>>
>> As far as your gross generalizations - I have a system I have been 
>> running since Windows XP was released.  It has been through two 
>> different sets of hardware, several hardware failures, many *MANY* 
>> installations and software removals and is now finally running as a 
>> VirtualBox machine on top of my Windows Vista and Windows Vista x64 
>> Ultimate machines.  I have *not* had to 'reinstall my OS' (assuming 
>> you mean a clean installation) nor did it ever slow down in any way I 
>> did not expect (when you upgrade applications, seldom do they actually 
>> utilize less resources than their prior versions...)
>>
>> In my specific experience - Windows (XP, Vista and some prior versions 
>> to a certain extent) are fairly stable operating systems that have 
>> given me personally little trouble.  I've thrown a lot at them - and 
>> my experience is not limited to just the applications I utilize on a 
>> daily basis nor is my experience limited to just one or two hardware 
>> configurations (I would put myself in the thousands (possibly tens of 
>> thousands), easily, as far as how many different hardware 
>> configurations I have had to deal with in the years since Windows XP 
>> was first released alone.)  I also pull from the experience of those 
>> whose systems I have cleaned up from a mess or setup initially - in 
>> that they seldom have the same trouble after a little configuration 
>> and a little tutoring on how to properly utilize their system.
>>
>> YMMV.
>>
> After your assertion that personal experience is "inaccurate (at best)", 
> your whole post has become a meaningless diatribe.

actually he has eloquently described why every major o/s has the same 
fundamental flaw: feature creep and bug-fix/ patches.....in other words, 
bloatware.
I can only hope that his follow- up post will be an announcement of a 
new o/s he and/or some friends built from the ground up.

Dear Ken Blake, MVP:

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in 
message news:0kptk4l9lfp0588n6hqtcss38tmc5gm1gl@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:20:11 -0600, Lookout 
> <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:41:45 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
>> <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:
>> >On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:29:48 -0600, Lookout 
>> ><mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Not if your regularly use a registry cleaner.
>> >> I use FixIt Utilities and to delete invalid or no
>> >> longer need registry entries and files.
>> >
>> >
>> >That's a very dangerous and poor thing to do,
>> >in my view.
>>
>> I'm sure it's something you're not capable of
>> working with. In my view it's a great way to keep
>> your system humming.
>
> You are certainly entitled to that view, if that's
> what you believe.  But as far as I'm concerned,
> you're dead wrong.

So how do *you* get rid of Norton Anti-virus?  RegClean.exe didn' 
touch it...

David A. Smith 

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:

> 
> So how do *you* get rid of Norton Anti-virus?  RegClean.exe didn' 
> touch it...
> 
> David A. Smith 
> 
> 


http://service1.symantec.com/Support/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039

Bluuuue Rajah turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

> 
> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
> Linux is obviuosly better, if you have the time and the expertise to use
> in it, but until this week I didn't understand exaclty why Windows is
> such a POS.
> 
> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed an
> update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f command, the
> reason beame clear.  Windows' install/uninstall method causes bugs to
> accumulate, if programs are not ununstalled in precise the reverse order
> of which they were installed.
> 
> The problem is that terrible method of saving old copies of system
> files, like .ini files, as backups, to be restored when software is
> uninstalled.  So the more apps you uninstall, out of order, the buggier
> your system becomes, until you finally have to reinstall the OS.
> 
> Linux apparently doesn't have anything resembling this problem, which
> makes me wonder, how did the Linux designers (Torvald?) handle this
> problem, and can we learn anything from their solution to help minimize
> the problem with Windows?

Well, that's not entirely true.

Wintendo computers have an issue with uninstalling because of a few reasons.

Mostly, the people who write the applications install things in places they
shouldn't be installing - such as application libraries in places
like %system root%/Windows/Win32.

Also, when they hack thorugh the Wise or Installshield installer they forget
things. So the uninstaller doesn't know exactly what is going on.

If app designers would follow the - now ten-year-old - microsoft
recommendations of installing everything to /program files/app_vendor/app
directories and never using HKLM, then there would not be an issue.

Oh, and I can tell you right now about such a fucked up situation in Linux.
Here's my log of me trying to upgrade VirtualBox from 2.0.6 to 2.1.
Apparently, the RPM manager fucked up and doesn't even know what version I
have nor what dependencies I need.

Like I say - Linux - it sucks slightly less than the competition.

xwing:/home/kai/downloads #
rpm -U ./VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1.i586.rpm
        file /etc/init.d/vboxdrv from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/bin/VBoxManage from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/bin/VBoxSDL from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/bin/VirtualBox from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDD.so from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDD2.so from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDD2GC.gc from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDD2R0.r0 from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDDGC.gc from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDDR0.r0 from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDDU.so from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxKeyboard.so from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxManage from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxREM.so from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxRT.so from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSDL from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSVC from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSharedClipboard.so from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSharedFolders.so from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxVMM.so from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxXPCOM.so from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxXPCOMIPCD from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VMMGC.gc from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VMMR0.r0 from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/components/VBoxC.so from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/components/VBoxSVCM.so from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/components/VBoxXPCOMBase.xpt from install
of VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/components/VBoxXPCOMIPCC.so from install of
VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
        file /usr/lib/virtualbox/components/VirtualBox_XPCOM.xpt from
install of VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from
package virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
xwing:/home/kai/downloads #        






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On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:11:38 -0700, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"
<dlzc1@cox.net> wrote:

>Dear Ken Blake, MVP:
>
>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in 
>message news:0kptk4l9lfp0588n6hqtcss38tmc5gm1gl@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:20:11 -0600, Lookout 
>> <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:41:45 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
>>> <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:
>>> >On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:29:48 -0600, Lookout 
>>> ><mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Not if your regularly use a registry cleaner.
>>> >> I use FixIt Utilities and to delete invalid or no
>>> >> longer need registry entries and files.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >That's a very dangerous and poor thing to do,
>>> >in my view.
>>>
>>> I'm sure it's something you're not capable of
>>> working with. In my view it's a great way to keep
>>> your system humming.
>>
>> You are certainly entitled to that view, if that's
>> what you believe.  But as far as I'm concerned,
>> you're dead wrong.
>
>So how do *you* get rid of Norton Anti-virus?  RegClean.exe didn' 
>touch it...
>
>David A. Smith 
>
First..I wouldn't install it.
2nd...just cleaning your registry won't uninstall a program. If that's
what you're trying to do then you really shouldn't be installing
programs to begin with...you're way out of your league.
3rd...I don't use RegClean. As I said I use FixIt Utilities and I
explained the process I use.
4th..I'd type "How do I uninstall Norton AntiVirus" in Google and I'd
find
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS291&q=how+do+i+uninstall+norton+antivirus&aq=1&oq=how+do+I+uninstall+nort


As I said you're way out of your league. You should learn to ask
politely and you'll get more help.

Shenan Stanley wrote:
> Bluuuue Rajah wrote:
>> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
>> Linux is obviuosly better, if you have the time and the expertise
>> to use in it, but until this week I didn't understand exaclty why
>> Windows is such a POS.
>>
>> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed
>> an update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f
>> command, the reason beame clear.  Windows' install/uninstall method
>> causes bugs to accumulate, if programs are not ununstalled in
>> precise the reverse order of which they were installed.
>>
>> The problem is that terrible method of saving old copies of system
>> files, like .ini files, as backups, to be restored when software is
>> uninstalled.  So the more apps you uninstall, out of order, the
>> buggier your system becomes, until you finally have to reinstall
>> the OS.
>>
>> Linux apparently doesn't have anything resembling this problem,
>> which makes me wonder, how did the Linux designers (Torvald?)
>> handle this problem, and can we learn anything from their solution
>> to help minimize the problem with Windows?
>>
>> Your thoughts?
> 
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>> I think you have made gross generalizations based off personal
>> experience - which are usually proven inaccurate (at best.)
>>
>> I utilize many different operating systems (and flavors/versions of
>> said operating systems) and if there is a single OS that is not
>> lacking in one or more (mostly more after years of use on any given
>> OS) ways, I have yet to come across it.  Many times - some of the
>> 'problems' found could have been avoided with experience and
>> know-how on the part of the user - which is acceptable in most
>> cases because I don't believe someone whould 'hold my hand' in
>> everything I do.  Also - many times - it is a 'personal' issue with
>> the OS - meaning it won't do something the end-user believes it
>> *should* do.
>> As far as your gross generalizations - I have a system I have been
>> running since Windows XP was released.  It has been through two
>> different sets of hardware, several hardware failures, many *MANY*
>> installations and software removals and is now finally running as a
>> VirtualBox machine on top of my Windows Vista and Windows Vista x64
>> Ultimate machines.  I have *not* had to 'reinstall my OS' (assuming
>> you mean a clean installation) nor did it ever slow down in any way
>> I did not expect (when you upgrade applications, seldom do they
>> actually utilize less resources than their prior versions...)
>> In my specific experience - Windows (XP, Vista and some prior
>> versions to a certain extent) are fairly stable operating systems
>> that have given me personally little trouble.  I've thrown a lot at
>> them - and my experience is not limited to just the applications I
>> utilize on a daily basis nor is my experience limited to just one
>> or two hardware configurations (I would put myself in the thousands
>> (possibly tens of thousands), easily, as far as how many different
>> hardware configurations I have had to deal with in the years since
>> Windows XP was first released alone.)  I also pull from the
>> experience of those whose systems I have cleaned up from a mess or
>> setup initially - in that they seldom have the same trouble after a
>> little configuration and a little tutoring on how to properly
>> utilize their system.
>> YMMV.
> 
> Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
>> After your assertion that personal experience is "inaccurate (at
>> best)", your whole post has become a meaningless diatribe.
> 
> Not what I said.
> 
> I said, "I think you have made gross generalizations based off personal 
> experience - which are usually proven inaccurate (at best.)"
> 
> It's the 'gross generalizations based off personal experience', not the 
> personal experiences themselves.  There is nothing wrong with personal 
> experiences and if built up and combined many times - personal experience 
> can become pretty strong evidence.  The original poster had ... seems to be 
> ... one personal experience and made an assertion that their personal 
> experience proved a point when combined with the trouble they saw (but had 
> no personal experience with) in the newsgroups (the whole 'walk into an 
> emergency room and assume the whole world has an epidemic of broken arms' 
> scenario...) - a "gross generalization".
> 
> It's best to read the entire message you respond to - not just one part.
> 
It's best not to backpedal when you say something stupid.

PerfectReign wrote:
> Bluuuue Rajah turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
> 
>> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
>> Linux is obviuosly better, if you have the time and the expertise to use
>> in it, but until this week I didn't understand exaclty why Windows is
>> such a POS.
>>
>> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed an
>> update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f command, the
>> reason beame clear.  Windows' install/uninstall method causes bugs to
>> accumulate, if programs are not ununstalled in precise the reverse order
>> of which they were installed.
>>
>> The problem is that terrible method of saving old copies of system
>> files, like .ini files, as backups, to be restored when software is
>> uninstalled.  So the more apps you uninstall, out of order, the buggier
>> your system becomes, until you finally have to reinstall the OS.
>>
>> Linux apparently doesn't have anything resembling this problem, which
>> makes me wonder, how did the Linux designers (Torvald?) handle this
>> problem, and can we learn anything from their solution to help minimize
>> the problem with Windows?
> 
> Well, that's not entirely true.
> 
> Wintendo computers have an issue with uninstalling because of a few reasons.
> 
> Mostly, the people who write the applications install things in places they
> shouldn't be installing - such as application libraries in places
> like %system root%/Windows/Win32.
> 
> Also, when they hack thorugh the Wise or Installshield installer they forget
> things. So the uninstaller doesn't know exactly what is going on.
> 
> If app designers would follow the - now ten-year-old - microsoft
> recommendations of installing everything to /program files/app_vendor/app
> directories and never using HKLM, then there would not be an issue.
> 
> Oh, and I can tell you right now about such a fucked up situation in Linux.
> Here's my log of me trying to upgrade VirtualBox from 2.0.6 to 2.1.
> Apparently, the RPM manager fucked up and doesn't even know what version I
> have nor what dependencies I need.
> 
> Like I say - Linux - it sucks slightly less than the competition.
> 
> xwing:/home/kai/downloads #
> rpm -U ./VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1.i586.rpm
>         file /etc/init.d/vboxdrv from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/bin/VBoxManage from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/bin/VBoxSDL from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/bin/VirtualBox from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDD.so from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDD2.so from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDD2GC.gc from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDD2R0.r0 from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDDGC.gc from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDDR0.r0 from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxDDU.so from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxKeyboard.so from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxManage from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxREM.so from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxRT.so from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSDL from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSVC from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSharedClipboard.so from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSharedFolders.so from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxVMM.so from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxXPCOM.so from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxXPCOMIPCD from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VMMGC.gc from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VMMR0.r0 from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/components/VBoxC.so from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/components/VBoxSVCM.so from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/components/VBoxXPCOMBase.xpt from install
> of VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/components/VBoxXPCOMIPCC.so from install of
> VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from package
> virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>         file /usr/lib/virtualbox/components/VirtualBox_XPCOM.xpt from
> install of VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from
> package virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
> xwing:/home/kai/downloads #        
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
I've never had such a problem with either of my Macs :-)

Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:0kptk4l9lfp0588n6hqtcss38tmc5gm1gl@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:20:11 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:41:45 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
>> <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:29:48 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not if your regularly use a registry cleaner. I use FixIt Utilities
>>>> and to delete invalid or no longer need registry entries and files.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's a very dangerous and poor thing to do, in my view.
>>
>> I'm sure it's something you're not capable of working with. In my
>> view it's a great way to keep your system humming.
>
>
> [... ] you're dead wrong.

That sounds like a veiled threat to me [sic] 

philo wrote:
> "jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote in message
> news:gilh5b2f50@news1.newsguy.com...
>> Bluuuue Rajah wrote:
>>> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
>>> news:WbmdnV8eb4a2HdDUnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@ntd.net:
>>>
>>>> "Bluuuue Rajah" <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote in message
>>>> news:Xns9B7AB9C822192fdgdfjhsrtg@207.115.17.102...
>>>>> Evwere installed.
>>>>> erybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
>>>>> Linux is obviuosly better, if you have the time and the expertise to
>>>>> use in it, but until this week I didn't understand exaclty why
>>>>> Windows is such a POS.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed
>>>>> an update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f command,
>>>>> the reason beame clear.  Windows' install/uninstall method causes
>>>>> bugs to accumulate, if programs are not ununstalled in precise the
>>>>> reverse order of which they
>>>>> The problem is that terrible method of saving old copies of system
>>>>> files, like .ini files, as backups, to be restored when software is
>>>>> uninstalled.  So the more apps you uninstall, out of order, the
>>>>> buggier your system becomes, until you finally have to reinstall the
>>>>> OS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux apparently doesn't have anything resembling this problem, which
>>>>> makes me wonder, how did the Linux designers (Torvald?) handle this
>>>>> problem, and can we learn anything from their solution to help
>>>>> minimize the problem with Windows?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your thoughts?
>>>> I've been using Linux almost as long as I've been using Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Linux is not immune from it's own problems...
>>>> and unless one is very familiar with Linux...the problems can
>>>> sometimes be harder to sort out.
>>>>
>>>> That said, with a little bit of common sense, Windows should not
>>>> require a re-install.
>>>> I run mainly Win2k and XP and they have both been running 99% +
>>>> trouble free for *many* years.
>>> You're living in a fantasy world.  Everybody knows that Windows slowly
>>> accumulates bugs.  They've known almost from day one, when people
>>> started griping about what a POS it was.
>> Every OS accumulates bugs.  That's reality, son.
>>
>> /BHA
> 
> 
> Wow...where the hell did you come from...

Massachusetts.

> and when are you going back there?

Never.

> 
> Many years ago you gave me the best insult I have ever gotten...
> so I honestly respect you for that. <G>

I don't recall.

> 
> 
> I still chuckle about it from time to time.
> 

<grin>  good.

/BAH

Lookout wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:50:20 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
> 
>> Bluuuue Rajah wrote:
>>> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
>>> news:WbmdnV8eb4a2HdDUnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@ntd.net: 
>>>
>>>> "Bluuuue Rajah" <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote in message
>>>> news:Xns9B7AB9C822192fdgdfjhsrtg@207.115.17.102...
>>>>> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
>>>>> Linux is obviuosly better, if you have the time and the expertise to
>>>>> use in it, but until this week I didn't understand exaclty why
>>>>> Windows is such a POS.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed
>>>>> an update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f command,
>>>>> the reason beame clear.  Windows' install/uninstall method causes
>>>>> bugs to accumulate, if programs are not ununstalled in precise the
>>>>> reverse order of which they were installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is that terrible method of saving old copies of system
>>>>> files, like .ini files, as backups, to be restored when software is
>>>>> uninstalled.  So the more apps you uninstall, out of order, the
>>>>> buggier your system becomes, until you finally have to reinstall the
>>>>> OS. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux apparently doesn't have anything resembling this problem, which
>>>>> makes me wonder, how did the Linux designers (Torvald?) handle this
>>>>> problem, and can we learn anything from their solution to help
>>>>> minimize the problem with Windows?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your thoughts?
>>>> I've been using Linux almost as long as I've been using Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Linux is not immune from it's own problems...
>>>> and unless one is very familiar with Linux...the problems can
>>>> sometimes be harder to sort out.
>>>>
>>>> That said, with a little bit of common sense, Windows should not
>>>> require a re-install.
>>>> I run mainly Win2k and XP and they have both been running 99% +
>>>> trouble free for *many* years.
>>> You're living in a fantasy world.  Everybody knows that Windows slowly 
>>> accumulates bugs.  They've known almost from day one, when people 
>>> started griping about what a POS it was.
>> Every OS accumulates bugs.  That's reality, son.
>>
>> /BHA
> 
> Not if your regularly use a registry cleaner. I use FixIt Utilities
> and to delete invalid or no longer need registry entries and files. 

Doesn't matter.  The original sources and their fixes are not on
your computer.

Look.  The guy needs a backup stragegy for his computer system(s).
Since one of them got hosed, he needed to be able to drop back
to a computer system state that was known to not be broken.

Complaining about update processes isn't going to solve his
problem because the mess will happen again.

/BAH

"jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote in message
news:ginuh211su2@news7.newsguy.com...
> philo wrote:
> > "jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote in message
> > news:gilh5b2f50@news1.newsguy.com...
> >> Bluuuue Rajah wrote:
> >>> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
> >>> news:WbmdnV8eb4a2HdDUnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@ntd.net:
> >>>
> >>>> "Bluuuue Rajah" <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote in message
> >>>> news:Xns9B7AB9C822192fdgdfjhsrtg@207.115.17.102...
> >>>>> Evwere installed.
> >>>>> erybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
> >>>>> Linux is obviuosly better, if you have the time and the expertise to
> >>>>> use in it, but until this week I didn't understand exaclty why
> >>>>> Windows is such a POS.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed
> >>>>> an update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f command,
> >>>>> the reason beame clear.  Windows' install/uninstall method causes
> >>>>> bugs to accumulate, if programs are not ununstalled in precise the
> >>>>> reverse order of which they
> >>>>> The problem is that terrible method of saving old copies of system
> >>>>> files, like .ini files, as backups, to be restored when software is
> >>>>> uninstalled.  So the more apps you uninstall, out of order, the
> >>>>> buggier your system becomes, until you finally have to reinstall the
> >>>>> OS.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Linux apparently doesn't have anything resembling this problem,
which
> >>>>> makes me wonder, how did the Linux designers (Torvald?) handle this
> >>>>> problem, and can we learn anything from their solution to help
> >>>>> minimize the problem with Windows?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your thoughts?
> >>>> I've been using Linux almost as long as I've been using Windows.
> >>>>
> >>>> Linux is not immune from it's own problems...
> >>>> and unless one is very familiar with Linux...the problems can
> >>>> sometimes be harder to sort out.
> >>>>
> >>>> That said, with a little bit of common sense, Windows should not
> >>>> require a re-install.
> >>>> I run mainly Win2k and XP and they have both been running 99% +
> >>>> trouble free for *many* years.
> >>> You're living in a fantasy world.  Everybody knows that Windows slowly
> >>> accumulates bugs.  They've known almost from day one, when people
> >>> started griping about what a POS it was.
> >> Every OS accumulates bugs.  That's reality, son.
> >>
> >> /BHA
> >
> >
> > Wow...where the hell did you come from...
>
> Massachusetts.
>
> > and when are you going back there?
>
> Never.
>
> >
> > Many years ago you gave me the best insult I have ever gotten...
> > so I honestly respect you for that. <G>
>
> I don't recall.
>
> >
> >
> > I still chuckle about it from time to time.
> >
>
> <grin>  good.
>
> /BAH
>


You don't???

It was a few years back and we had gotten into a huge argument
about something...what ever that was I've long forgotten...however:

You were the one who accused me of *pretending* to be stupid.

I had to assure you that if I made a post that was stupid...
it was for real. <G>

Dear nobody:

"nobody >" <usenetharvested@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:1qGdnTDJSeuQntLUnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@supernews.com...
> N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:
>
>> So how do *you* get rid of Norton Anti-virus?  RegClean.exe 
>> didn' touch it...
>
> http://service1.symantec.com/Support/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039

Seems like it left stuff, like an updater.  I still found entries 
in the registry.  But this might have been before this particular 
utility came out.

David A. Smith 

Bluuuue Rajah wrote:
> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
> Linux is obviuosly better, if you have the time and the expertise
> to use in it, but until this week I didn't understand exaclty why
> Windows is such a POS.
>
> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed
> an update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f
> command, the reason beame clear.  Windows' install/uninstall method
> causes bugs to accumulate, if programs are not ununstalled in
> precise the reverse order of which they were installed.
>
> The problem is that terrible method of saving old copies of system
> files, like .ini files, as backups, to be restored when software is
> uninstalled.  So the more apps you uninstall, out of order, the
> buggier your system becomes, until you finally have to reinstall
> the OS.
>
> Linux apparently doesn't have anything resembling this problem,
> which makes me wonder, how did the Linux designers (Torvald?)
> handle this problem, and can we learn anything from their solution
> to help minimize the problem with Windows?
>
> Your thoughts?

Shenan Stanley wrote:
> I think you have made gross generalizations based off personal
> experience - which are usually proven inaccurate (at best.)
>
> I utilize many different operating systems (and flavors/versions of
> said operating systems) and if there is a single OS that is not
> lacking in one or more (mostly more after years of use on any given
> OS) ways, I have yet to come across it.  Many times - some of the
> 'problems' found could have been avoided with experience and
> know-how on the part of the user - which is acceptable in most
> cases because I don't believe someone whould 'hold my hand' in
> everything I do.  Also - many times - it is a 'personal' issue with
> the OS - meaning it won't do something the end-user believes it
> *should* do.
> As far as your gross generalizations - I have a system I have been
> running since Windows XP was released.  It has been through two
> different sets of hardware, several hardware failures, many *MANY*
> installations and software removals and is now finally running as a
> VirtualBox machine on top of my Windows Vista and Windows Vista x64
> Ultimate machines.  I have *not* had to 'reinstall my OS' (assuming
> you mean a clean installation) nor did it ever slow down in any way
> I did not expect (when you upgrade applications, seldom do they
> actually utilize less resources than their prior versions...)
> In my specific experience - Windows (XP, Vista and some prior
> versions to a certain extent) are fairly stable operating systems
> that have given me personally little trouble.  I've thrown a lot at
> them - and my experience is not limited to just the applications I
> utilize on a daily basis nor is my experience limited to just one
> or two hardware configurations (I would put myself in the thousands
> (possibly tens of thousands), easily, as far as how many different
> hardware configurations I have had to deal with in the years since
> Windows XP was first released alone.)  I also pull from the
> experience of those whose systems I have cleaned up from a mess or
> setup initially - in that they seldom have the same trouble after a
> little configuration and a little tutoring on how to properly
> utilize their system.
> YMMV.

Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
> After your assertion that personal experience is "inaccurate (at
> best)", your whole post has become a meaningless diatribe.

Shenan Stanley wrote:
> Not what I said.
>
> I said, "I think you have made gross generalizations based off
> personal experience - which are usually proven inaccurate (at
> best.)"
> It's the 'gross generalizations based off personal experience', not
> the personal experiences themselves.  There is nothing wrong with
> personal experiences and if built up and combined many times -
> personal experience can become pretty strong evidence.  The
> original poster had ... seems to be ... one personal experience and
> made an assertion that their personal experience proved a point
> when combined with the trouble they saw (but had no personal
> experience with) in the newsgroups (the whole 'walk into an
> emergency room and assume the whole world has an epidemic of broken
> arms' scenario...) - a "gross generalization".
> It's best to read the entire message you respond to - not just one
> part.

Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
> It's best not to backpedal when you say something stupid.

It's good you admit to what you did.

-- 
Shenan Stanley
     MS-MVP
-- 
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html 

Dear Lookout:

"Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:gi4uk49o7pkbqlj218j28sc7odq9eug3u5@4ax.com...
...
> First..I wouldn't install it.

Once it is done... say on someone else's machine.

> 2nd...just cleaning your registry won't uninstall a
> program. If that's what you're trying to do then you
> really shouldn't be installing programs to begin with...
> you're way out of your league.

No, I directly edit the registry.  You are assuming too much.

> 3rd...I don't use RegClean. As I said I use FixIt
> Utilities and I explained the process I use.

And I agree with you.

> 4th..I'd type "How do I uninstall Norton AntiVirus" in
> Google and I'd find
> http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS291&q=how+do+i+uninstall+norton+antivirus&aq=1&oq=how+do+I+uninstall+nort
>
>
> As I said you're way out of your league. You
> should learn to ask politely and you'll get more
> help.

You should climb on someone else's back.  I am getting tired of 
you trying to hump me.

David A. Smith 

Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gi4uk49o7pkbqlj218j28sc7odq9eug3u5@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:11:38 -0700, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"
> <dlzc1@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ken Blake, MVP:
>>
>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in
>> message news:0kptk4l9lfp0588n6hqtcss38tmc5gm1gl@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:20:11 -0600, Lookout
>>> <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:41:45 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
>>>> <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:29:48 -0600, Lookout
>>>>> <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not if your regularly use a registry cleaner.
>>>>>> I use FixIt Utilities and to delete invalid or no
>>>>>> longer need registry entries and files.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a very dangerous and poor thing to do,
>>>>> in my view.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure it's something you're not capable of
>>>> working with. In my view it's a great way to keep
>>>> your system humming.
>>>
>>> You are certainly entitled to that view, if that's
>>> what you believe.  But as far as I'm concerned,
>>> you're dead wrong.
>>
>> So how do *you* get rid of Norton Anti-virus?  RegClean.exe didn'
>> touch it...
>>
>> David A. Smith
>>
> First..I wouldn't install it.
> 2nd...just cleaning your registry won't uninstall a program. If that's
> what you're trying to do then you really shouldn't be installing
> programs to begin with...you're way out of your league.
> 3rd...I don't use RegClean. As I said I use FixIt Utilities and I
> explained the process I use.
> 4th..I'd type "How do I uninstall Norton AntiVirus" in Google and I'd
> find
> http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS291&q=how+do+i+uninstall+norton+antivirus&aq=1&oq=how+do+I+uninstall+nort
>
>
> As I said you're way out of your league. You should learn to ask
> politely and you'll get more help.

Do you recommend jv16 because I've nearly always had to reinsatll after 
deleting keys in the registry.

I particularly like the advanced option which cleans up everything, it takes 
longer, but it's more effective. 

-- 
I'll poop ya! (formerly plonk)

Shenan Stanley <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e6ghsfDZJHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> Bluuuue Rajah wrote:
>> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
>> Linux is obviuosly better, if you have the time and the expertise
>> to use in it, but until this week I didn't understand exaclty why
>> Windows is such a POS.
>>
>> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed
>> an update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f
>> command, the reason beame clear.  Windows' install/uninstall method
>> causes bugs to accumulate, if programs are not ununstalled in
>> precise the reverse order of which they were installed.
>>
>> The problem is that terrible method of saving old copies of system
>> files, like .ini files, as backups, to be restored when software is
>> uninstalled.  So the more apps you uninstall, out of order, the
>> buggier your system becomes, until you finally have to reinstall
>> the OS.
>>
>> Linux apparently doesn't have anything resembling this problem,
>> which makes me wonder, how did the Linux designers (Torvald?)
>> handle this problem, and can we learn anything from their solution
>> to help minimize the problem with Windows?
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>> I think you have made gross generalizations based off personal
>> experience - which are usually proven inaccurate (at best.)
>>
>> I utilize many different operating systems (and flavors/versions of
>> said operating systems) and if there is a single OS that is not
>> lacking in one or more (mostly more after years of use on any given
>> OS) ways, I have yet to come across it.  Many times - some of the
>> 'problems' found could have been avoided with experience and
>> know-how on the part of the user - which is acceptable in most
>> cases because I don't believe someone whould 'hold my hand' in
>> everything I do.  Also - many times - it is a 'personal' issue with
>> the OS - meaning it won't do something the end-user believes it
>> *should* do.
>> As far as your gross generalizations - I have a system I have been
>> running since Windows XP was released.  It has been through two
>> different sets of hardware, several hardware failures, many *MANY*
>> installations and software removals and is now finally running as a
>> VirtualBox machine on top of my Windows Vista and Windows Vista x64
>> Ultimate machines.  I have *not* had to 'reinstall my OS' (assuming
>> you mean a clean installation) nor did it ever slow down in any way
>> I did not expect (when you upgrade applications, seldom do they
>> actually utilize less resources than their prior versions...)
>> In my specific experience - Windows (XP, Vista and some prior
>> versions to a certain extent) are fairly stable operating systems
>> that have given me personally little trouble.  I've thrown a lot at
>> them - and my experience is not limited to just the applications I
>> utilize on a daily basis nor is my experience limited to just one
>> or two hardware configurations (I would put myself in the thousands
>> (possibly tens of thousands), easily, as far as how many different
>> hardware configurations I have had to deal with in the years since
>> Windows XP was first released alone.)  I also pull from the
>> experience of those whose systems I have cleaned up from a mess or
>> setup initially - in that they seldom have the same trouble after a
>> little configuration and a little tutoring on how to properly
>> utilize their system.
>> YMMV.
>
> Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
>> After your assertion that personal experience is "inaccurate (at
>> best)", your whole post has become a meaningless diatribe.
>
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>> Not what I said.
>>
>> I said, "I think you have made gross generalizations based off
>> personal experience - which are usually proven inaccurate (at
>> best.)"
>> It's the 'gross generalizations based off personal experience', not
>> the personal experiences themselves.  There is nothing wrong with
>> personal experiences and if built up and combined many times -
>> personal experience can become pretty strong evidence.  The
>> original poster had ... seems to be ... one personal experience and
>> made an assertion that their personal experience proved a point
>> when combined with the trouble they saw (but had no personal
>> experience with) in the newsgroups (the whole 'walk into an
>> emergency room and assume the whole world has an epidemic of broken
>> arms' scenario...) - a "gross generalization".
>> It's best to read the entire message you respond to - not just one
>> part.
>
> Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
>> It's best not to backpedal when you say something stupid.
>
> It's good you admit to what you did.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
>     MS-MVP

How long is a piece of string exactly? 

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:20:39 -0700, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"
<dlzc1@cox.net> wrote:

>Dear Lookout:
>
>"Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
>news:gi4uk49o7pkbqlj218j28sc7odq9eug3u5@4ax.com...
>...
>> First..I wouldn't install it.
>
>Once it is done... say on someone else's machine.
>
>> 2nd...just cleaning your registry won't uninstall a
>> program. If that's what you're trying to do then you
>> really shouldn't be installing programs to begin with...
>> you're way out of your league.
>
>No, I directly edit the registry.  You are assuming too much.
>
>> 3rd...I don't use RegClean. As I said I use FixIt
>> Utilities and I explained the process I use.
>
>And I agree with you.
>
>> 4th..I'd type "How do I uninstall Norton AntiVirus" in
>> Google and I'd find
>> http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS291&q=how+do+i+uninstall+norton+antivirus&aq=1&oq=how+do+I+uninstall+nort
>>
>>
>> As I said you're way out of your league. You
>> should learn to ask politely and you'll get more
>> help.
>
>You should climb on someone else's back.  I am getting tired of 
>you trying to hump me.
>
>David A. Smith 
>
I'm sure that will sound witty when you tell it at your group meeting

Rev Turd Fredericks turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

>> file /usr/lib/virtualbox/components/VirtualBox_XPCOM.xpt from
>> install of VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from
>> package virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>> xwing:/home/kai/downloads #
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> I've never had such a problem with either of my Macs :-)

That's because you can't install software on your Mac unless The Cult (tm)
approves it.

I was trying to do this on my FIL's mac a few months back and ran into all
sorts of dependency crap.

Remember, your Mac an my laptops are only a kernel (and a Cult following)
apart.


-- 
www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org

Clean out a corner of your mind and creativity will instantly fill it. - Dee
Hock

Bluuuue Rajah wrote:

> 
> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
> Linux is obviuosly better, if you have the time and the expertise to use
> in it, but until this week I didn't understand exaclty why Windows is
> such a POS.
> 
> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed an
> update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f command, the
> reason beame clear.  Windows' install/uninstall method causes bugs to
> accumulate, if programs are not ununstalled in precise the reverse order
> of which they were installed.
>
Uhm. Well, IE5 _is_ badly outdated. It won't display many websites
correctly.
To be fair, same goes for firefox 1.0x and old netscape versions, for
windows as well as linux ...
 
> The problem is that terrible method of saving old copies of system
> files, like .ini files, as backups, to be restored when software is
> uninstalled.  So the more apps you uninstall, out of order, the buggier
> your system becomes, until you finally have to reinstall the OS.
>
Hmm. Usually, each new version of software in windows will either continue
to work with the current registry keys and maybe add one or the other
value, or it will create a new key with version number and use that.
Uninstalling may or may not remove that key, but if you reinstate the old
version, it should find useful settings or use defaults.
Of course, registry may become a bloated mess after many
installs/uninstalls.

> Linux apparently doesn't have anything resembling this problem, which
> makes me wonder, how did the Linux designers (Torvald?) handle this
> problem, and can we learn anything from their solution to help minimize
> the problem with Windows?
> 
Linux works with configuration files. When updating, the existing files are
usually reused and maybe new parameters are added. Main version changes may
use differently named config files and even coexist with the old version.
When uninstalling, usually the configs are saved by renaming unless you
purge completely, so if you later reinstall that software or a newer
version again, you have fresh defaults but you can still copy statements
from the old saved files (and later on delete them).

Lookout wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:50:20 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
.....
>>Every OS accumulates bugs.  That's reality, son.
>>
>>/BHA
> 
> Not if your regularly use a registry cleaner. I use FixIt Utilities
> and to delete invalid or no longer need registry entries and files.

The registry is a file-based database. It may grow big over time, but orphan
entries don't introduce much trouble. Instead, some uninstallers leave
hooks to nowhere - with known results. However, registry cleaners trying to
get rid of these, always are a bit dangerous.

Dear Lookout:

On Dec 22, 8:07 am, Lookout <mrLook...@yahoo.com> wrote:
...
> I'm sure that will sound witty when you tell it at
> your group meeting

I'm just not sure why you are climbing on me, when what I wrote (and
what you quoted) was directed to Ken Blake.  I tend to agree with what
you said, that Ken replied to.

David A. Smith

PerfectReign wrote:
> Rev Turd Fredericks turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
> 
>>> file /usr/lib/virtualbox/components/VirtualBox_XPCOM.xpt from
>>> install of VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from
>>> package virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>>> xwing:/home/kai/downloads #
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I've never had such a problem with either of my Macs :-)
> 
> That's because you can't install software on your Mac unless The Cult (tm)
> approves it.
> 
> I was trying to do this on my FIL's mac a few months back and ran into all
> sorts of dependency crap.
> 
> Remember, your Mac an my laptops are only a kernel (and a Cult following)
> apart.
> 
> 
I can install anything on my mac, and if for whatever reason I couldn't, 
     I can use vmware.

Shenan Stanley wrote:
> Bluuuue Rajah wrote:
>> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
>> Linux is obviuosly better, if you have the time and the expertise
>> to use in it, but until this week I didn't understand exaclty why
>> Windows is such a POS.
>>
>> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed
>> an update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f
>> command, the reason beame clear.  Windows' install/uninstall method
>> causes bugs to accumulate, if programs are not ununstalled in
>> precise the reverse order of which they were installed.
>>
>> The problem is that terrible method of saving old copies of system
>> files, like .ini files, as backups, to be restored when software is
>> uninstalled.  So the more apps you uninstall, out of order, the
>> buggier your system becomes, until you finally have to reinstall
>> the OS.
>>
>> Linux apparently doesn't have anything resembling this problem,
>> which makes me wonder, how did the Linux designers (Torvald?)
>> handle this problem, and can we learn anything from their solution
>> to help minimize the problem with Windows?
>>
>> Your thoughts?
> 
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>> I think you have made gross generalizations based off personal
>> experience - which are usually proven inaccurate (at best.)
>>
>> I utilize many different operating systems (and flavors/versions of
>> said operating systems) and if there is a single OS that is not
>> lacking in one or more (mostly more after years of use on any given
>> OS) ways, I have yet to come across it.  Many times - some of the
>> 'problems' found could have been avoided with experience and
>> know-how on the part of the user - which is acceptable in most
>> cases because I don't believe someone whould 'hold my hand' in
>> everything I do.  Also - many times - it is a 'personal' issue with
>> the OS - meaning it won't do something the end-user believes it
>> *should* do.
>> As far as your gross generalizations - I have a system I have been
>> running since Windows XP was released.  It has been through two
>> different sets of hardware, several hardware failures, many *MANY*
>> installations and software removals and is now finally running as a
>> VirtualBox machine on top of my Windows Vista and Windows Vista x64
>> Ultimate machines.  I have *not* had to 'reinstall my OS' (assuming
>> you mean a clean installation) nor did it ever slow down in any way
>> I did not expect (when you upgrade applications, seldom do they
>> actually utilize less resources than their prior versions...)
>> In my specific experience - Windows (XP, Vista and some prior
>> versions to a certain extent) are fairly stable operating systems
>> that have given me personally little trouble.  I've thrown a lot at
>> them - and my experience is not limited to just the applications I
>> utilize on a daily basis nor is my experience limited to just one
>> or two hardware configurations (I would put myself in the thousands
>> (possibly tens of thousands), easily, as far as how many different
>> hardware configurations I have had to deal with in the years since
>> Windows XP was first released alone.)  I also pull from the
>> experience of those whose systems I have cleaned up from a mess or
>> setup initially - in that they seldom have the same trouble after a
>> little configuration and a little tutoring on how to properly
>> utilize their system.
>> YMMV.
> 
> Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
>> After your assertion that personal experience is "inaccurate (at
>> best)", your whole post has become a meaningless diatribe.
> 
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>> Not what I said.
>>
>> I said, "I think you have made gross generalizations based off
>> personal experience - which are usually proven inaccurate (at
>> best.)"
>> It's the 'gross generalizations based off personal experience', not
>> the personal experiences themselves.  There is nothing wrong with
>> personal experiences and if built up and combined many times -
>> personal experience can become pretty strong evidence.  The
>> original poster had ... seems to be ... one personal experience and
>> made an assertion that their personal experience proved a point
>> when combined with the trouble they saw (but had no personal
>> experience with) in the newsgroups (the whole 'walk into an
>> emergency room and assume the whole world has an epidemic of broken
>> arms' scenario...) - a "gross generalization".
>> It's best to read the entire message you respond to - not just one
>> part.
> 
> Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
>> It's best not to backpedal when you say something stupid.
> 
> It's good you admit to what you did.
> 
Good one Pee Wee.

jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote in message
news:giqkfk12959@news6.newsguy.com:

> philo wrote:
>> "jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote in message
>> news:ginuh211su2@news7.newsguy.com...
>>> philo wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>> Many years ago you gave me the best insult I have ever gotten...
>>>> so I honestly respect you for that. <G>
>>> I don't recall.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I still chuckle about it from time to time.
>>>>
>>> <grin>  good.
>
>> You don't???
>
> Sorry.  I couldn't remember.
>
>>
>> It was a few years back and we had gotten into a huge argument
>> about something...what ever that was I've long forgotten...however:
>>
>> You were the one who accused me of pretending to be stupid.
>>
>> I had to assure you that if I made a post that was stupid...
>> it was for real. <G>
>
> At least it's caused light-heartedness since then.
>
> /BAH
<SLURP>
Do you two wanna get a room </SLURP>

--
nutter 

philo wrote:
> "jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote in message
> news:ginuh211su2@news7.newsguy.com...
>> philo wrote:

<snip>

>>> Many years ago you gave me the best insult I have ever gotten...
>>> so I honestly respect you for that. <G>
>> I don't recall.
>>
>>>
>>> I still chuckle about it from time to time.
>>>
>> <grin>  good.

> You don't???

Sorry.  I couldn't remember.

> 
> It was a few years back and we had gotten into a huge argument
> about something...what ever that was I've long forgotten...however:
> 
> You were the one who accused me of *pretending* to be stupid.
> 
> I had to assure you that if I made a post that was stupid...
> it was for real. <G>

At least it's caused light-heartedness since then.

/BAH

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:28:50 -0800, Rev Turd Fredericks
<turdfred2@catholic.org> wrote:

>PerfectReign wrote:
>> Rev Turd Fredericks turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
>> 
>>>> file /usr/lib/virtualbox/components/VirtualBox_XPCOM.xpt from
>>>> install of VirtualBox-2.1.0_41146_openSUSE103-1 conflicts with file from
>>>> package virtualbox-1.5.2-10.2
>>>> xwing:/home/kai/downloads #
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I've never had such a problem with either of my Macs :-)
>> 
>> That's because you can't install software on your Mac unless The Cult (tm)
>> approves it.
>> 
>> I was trying to do this on my FIL's mac a few months back and ran into all
>> sorts of dependency crap.
>> 
>> Remember, your Mac an my laptops are only a kernel (and a Cult following)
>> apart.
>> 
>> 
>I can install anything on my mac, and if for whatever reason I couldn't, 
>     I can use vmware.

That's because your Mac is now a PC, congratulations on finally
crossing over from the dark side.

 --

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm � x �
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
 saying, so much as what they're saying it for."

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the 
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you 
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity 
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct 
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others 
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start 
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that 
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just 
givin em out for free."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even 
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, 
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you 
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton 
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a 
function?" 

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. 
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast 
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken?  Really?  You're sure?  Awww, 
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!"    `, )

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:47:02 -0800, Rev Turd Fredericks
<turdfred2@catholic.org> wrote:

>Shenan Stanley wrote:
>> Bluuuue Rajah wrote:
>>> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
>>> Linux is obviuosly better, if you have the time and the expertise
>>> to use in it, but until this week I didn't understand exaclty why
>>> Windows is such a POS.
>>>
>>> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed
>>> an update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f
>>> command, the reason beame clear.  Windows' install/uninstall method
>>> causes bugs to accumulate, if programs are not ununstalled in
>>> precise the reverse order of which they were installed.
>>>
>>> The problem is that terrible method of saving old copies of system
>>> files, like .ini files, as backups, to be restored when software is
>>> uninstalled.  So the more apps you uninstall, out of order, the
>>> buggier your system becomes, until you finally have to reinstall
>>> the OS.
>>>
>>> Linux apparently doesn't have anything resembling this problem,
>>> which makes me wonder, how did the Linux designers (Torvald?)
>>> handle this problem, and can we learn anything from their solution
>>> to help minimize the problem with Windows?
>>>
>>> Your thoughts?
>> 
>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>> I think you have made gross generalizations based off personal
>>> experience - which are usually proven inaccurate (at best.)
>>>
>>> I utilize many different operating systems (and flavors/versions of
>>> said operating systems) and if there is a single OS that is not
>>> lacking in one or more (mostly more after years of use on any given
>>> OS) ways, I have yet to come across it.  Many times - some of the
>>> 'problems' found could have been avoided with experience and
>>> know-how on the part of the user - which is acceptable in most
>>> cases because I don't believe someone whould 'hold my hand' in
>>> everything I do.  Also - many times - it is a 'personal' issue with
>>> the OS - meaning it won't do something the end-user believes it
>>> *should* do.
>>> As far as your gross generalizations - I have a system I have been
>>> running since Windows XP was released.  It has been through two
>>> different sets of hardware, several hardware failures, many *MANY*
>>> installations and software removals and is now finally running as a
>>> VirtualBox machine on top of my Windows Vista and Windows Vista x64
>>> Ultimate machines.  I have *not* had to 'reinstall my OS' (assuming
>>> you mean a clean installation) nor did it ever slow down in any way
>>> I did not expect (when you upgrade applications, seldom do they
>>> actually utilize less resources than their prior versions...)
>>> In my specific experience - Windows (XP, Vista and some prior
>>> versions to a certain extent) are fairly stable operating systems
>>> that have given me personally little trouble.  I've thrown a lot at
>>> them - and my experience is not limited to just the applications I
>>> utilize on a daily basis nor is my experience limited to just one
>>> or two hardware configurations (I would put myself in the thousands
>>> (possibly tens of thousands), easily, as far as how many different
>>> hardware configurations I have had to deal with in the years since
>>> Windows XP was first released alone.)  I also pull from the
>>> experience of those whose systems I have cleaned up from a mess or
>>> setup initially - in that they seldom have the same trouble after a
>>> little configuration and a little tutoring on how to properly
>>> utilize their system.
>>> YMMV.
>> 
>> Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
>>> After your assertion that personal experience is "inaccurate (at
>>> best)", your whole post has become a meaningless diatribe.
>> 
>> Not what I said.
>> 
>> I said, "I think you have made gross generalizations based off personal 
>> experience - which are usually proven inaccurate (at best.)"
>> 
>> It's the 'gross generalizations based off personal experience', not the 
>> personal experiences themselves.  There is nothing wrong with personal 
>> experiences and if built up and combined many times - personal experience 
>> can become pretty strong evidence.  The original poster had ... seems to be 
>> ... one personal experience and made an assertion that their personal 
>> experience proved a point when combined with the trouble they saw (but had 
>> no personal experience with) in the newsgroups (the whole 'walk into an 
>> emergency room and assume the whole world has an epidemic of broken arms' 
>> scenario...) - a "gross generalization".
>> 
>> It's best to read the entire message you respond to - not just one part.
>> 
>It's best not to backpedal when you say something stupid.

Does that mean you won't be?

Seriously, context really isn't *THAT* difficult to grasp...although
it seems to be the number one problem with online communication.

 --

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm � x �
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
 saying, so much as what they're saying it for."

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the 
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you 
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity 
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct 
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others 
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start 
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that 
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just 
givin em out for free."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even 
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, 
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you 
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton 
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a 
function?" 

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. 
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast 
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken?  Really?  You're sure?  Awww, 
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!"    `, )

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:46:14 -0800, catchme <someone@somewhere.net>
wrote:

>Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>> Bluuuue Rajah wrote:
>>>> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
>>>> Linux is obviuosly better, if you have the time and the expertise
>>>> to use in it, but until this week I didn't understand exaclty why
>>>> Windows is such a POS.
>>>>
>>>> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed
>>>> an update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f
>>>> command, the reason beame clear.  Windows' install/uninstall method
>>>> causes bugs to accumulate, if programs are not ununstalled in
>>>> precise the reverse order of which they were installed.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that terrible method of saving old copies of system
>>>> files, like .ini files, as backups, to be restored when software is
>>>> uninstalled.  So the more apps you uninstall, out of order, the
>>>> buggier your system becomes, until you finally have to reinstall
>>>> the OS.
>>>>
>>>> Linux apparently doesn't have anything resembling this problem,
>>>> which makes me wonder, how did the Linux designers (Torvald?)
>>>> handle this problem, and can we learn anything from their solution
>>>> to help minimize the problem with Windows?
>>>>
>>>> Your thoughts?
>>>
>>> I think you have made gross generalizations based off personal 
>>> experience - which are usually proven inaccurate (at best.)
>>>
>>> I utilize many different operating systems (and flavors/versions of 
>>> said operating systems) and if there is a single OS that is not 
>>> lacking in one or more (mostly more after years of use on any given 
>>> OS) ways, I have yet to come across it.  Many times - some of the 
>>> 'problems' found could have been avoided with experience and know-how 
>>> on the part of the user - which is acceptable in most cases because I 
>>> don't believe someone whould 'hold my hand' in everything I do.  Also 
>>> - many times - it is a 'personal' issue with the OS - meaning it won't 
>>> do something the end-user believes it *should* do.
>>>
>>> As far as your gross generalizations - I have a system I have been 
>>> running since Windows XP was released.  It has been through two 
>>> different sets of hardware, several hardware failures, many *MANY* 
>>> installations and software removals and is now finally running as a 
>>> VirtualBox machine on top of my Windows Vista and Windows Vista x64 
>>> Ultimate machines.  I have *not* had to 'reinstall my OS' (assuming 
>>> you mean a clean installation) nor did it ever slow down in any way I 
>>> did not expect (when you upgrade applications, seldom do they actually 
>>> utilize less resources than their prior versions...)
>>>
>>> In my specific experience - Windows (XP, Vista and some prior versions 
>>> to a certain extent) are fairly stable operating systems that have 
>>> given me personally little trouble.  I've thrown a lot at them - and 
>>> my experience is not limited to just the applications I utilize on a 
>>> daily basis nor is my experience limited to just one or two hardware 
>>> configurations (I would put myself in the thousands (possibly tens of 
>>> thousands), easily, as far as how many different hardware 
>>> configurations I have had to deal with in the years since Windows XP 
>>> was first released alone.)  I also pull from the experience of those 
>>> whose systems I have cleaned up from a mess or setup initially - in 
>>> that they seldom have the same trouble after a little configuration 
>>> and a little tutoring on how to properly utilize their system.
>>>
>>> YMMV.
>>>
>> After your assertion that personal experience is "inaccurate (at best)", 
>> your whole post has become a meaningless diatribe.
>
>actually he has eloquently described why every major o/s has the same 
>fundamental flaw: feature creep and bug-fix/ patches.....in other words, 
>bloatware.
>I can only hope that his follow- up post will be an announcement of a 
>new o/s he and/or some friends built from the ground up.

No, actually he missed a rather large and very important issue and the
fundamental reason as to *WHY* so many people have trouble with their
software.

Can't guess what it is?

Let me ask you this...what is your SOFTware running on?

Yeah, that's right, HARDware.  If you're running your software with
shit grade, factory seconds, refurbished garbage that you bought off
eBay or pulled out of some fuckin Dell shit box...yeah...yer gonna be
having all ~sorts~ of trouble gettin that bitch stay up for longer
than five minutes without some kind of system crash.  I've found that
a good 9 out of 10 times whatever "problem" a user is having is either
because they're a fuckin idiot with a short between the keyboard and
chair, or they're running their system on shit grade hardware.

 --

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm � x �
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
 saying, so much as what they're saying it for."

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the 
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you 
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity 
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct 
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others 
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start 
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that 
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just 
givin em out for free."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even 
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, 
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you 
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton 
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a 
function?" 

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. 
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast 
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken?  Really?  You're sure?  Awww, 
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!"    `, )

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:31:44 GMT, Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.>
wrote:

>Dan <Dan@danscomp.net> wrote in news:5pg3l.3387$cu.1789@news-
>server.bigpond.net.au:
>
>> Windows is NOT a piece of shit. People just don't know how to use it.
>
>Windows is a piece of shit.  ;(  :O

No, you're a piece of shit who doesn't know how to use it and is
likely trying to run it on some fuckin Gateway shit box.

 --

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm � x �
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
 saying, so much as what they're saying it for."

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the 
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you 
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity 
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct 
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others 
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start 
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that 
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just 
givin em out for free."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even 
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, 
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you 
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton 
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a 
function?" 

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. 
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast 
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken?  Really?  You're sure?  Awww, 
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!"    `, )

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:29:37 +0800, "Tom Potter" <tdp1001@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"The Daring Dufas" <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> wrote in message news:gik5e9$olr$1@news.motzarella.org...
>> Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
>>>  The Daring Dufas <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
>>>>>  Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and 
>>>>>> Linux is obviuosly better,
>>> 
>>>>> Both operating systems suck, AmigaOS is and always been the best.
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga
>>> 
>>>> That's nice, what are you going to run it on?
>>>> It's my understanding that no one makes hardware
>>>> for it anymore.
>>> 
>>> The Wikipedia article was posted for a purpose.
>>> 
>> 
>> What....are....you....going....to....run....it....on?
>
>Windows, Macintosh, DOS, Linux, etc.
>
>http://www.thefreecountry.com/emulators/amiga.shtml

You'll have to forgive Doofy, he needs to have constant hand holding
or he just gets all flustered and starts shitting his pants in
frustration.

 --

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm � x �
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
 saying, so much as what they're saying it for."

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the 
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you 
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity 
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct 
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others 
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start 
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that 
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just 
givin em out for free."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even 
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, 
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you 
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton 
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a 
function?" 

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. 
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast 
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken?  Really?  You're sure?  Awww, 
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!"    `, )

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:50:35 -0600, "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote:

>
><snip>
>
>> >>> I've been using Linux almost as long as I've been using Windows.
>> >>>
>> >>> Linux is not immune from it's own problems...
>> >>> and unless one is very familiar with Linux...the problems can
>> >>> sometimes be harder to sort out.
>> >>>
>> >>> That said, with a little bit of common sense, Windows should not
>> >>> require a re-install.
>> >>> I run mainly Win2k and XP and they have both been running 99% +
>> >>> trouble free for *many* years.
>> >>
>> >> You're living in a fantasy world.  Everybody knows that Windows slowly
>> >> accumulates bugs.  They've known almost from day one, when people
>> >> started griping about what a POS it was.
>> >
>> >Every OS accumulates bugs.  That's reality, son.
>> >
>> >/BHA
>>
>> Not if your regularly use a registry cleaner. I use FixIt Utilities
>> and to delete invalid or no longer need registry entries and files.
>
>
>I don't advise that at all,
>you can do more harm than good by using registry utilities.
>
>The OP, if he's ruined his OS did so simply because he was clueless
>and did not pay attention.
>
>I know there are some apps that can put a Google search bar into your
>browser (just as an example)
>but if it's done, it's because the user was *not* paying attention.
>I've never seen an application *not* give one a choice...
>but most people just start clicking buttons without even watching
>what the hell they are doing...
>That is one way to destroy your system fast.

That's not ~entirely~ true, one example comes right to mind...iTunes,
which is bundled directly into Quicktime.  They've since changed their
stupidity and now offer Quicktime standalone, but originally if you
wanted Quicktime you *HAD* to install iTunes along with it, unless you
were installing one of the hacked versions.

 --

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm � x �
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
 saying, so much as what they're saying it for."

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the 
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you 
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity 
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct 
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others 
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start 
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that 
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just 
givin em out for free."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even 
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, 
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you 
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton 
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a 
function?" 

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. 
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast 
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken?  Really?  You're sure?  Awww, 
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!"    `, )

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:00:44 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
<kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:20:11 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:41:45 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
>> <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:29:48 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Not if your regularly use a registry cleaner. I use FixIt Utilities
>> >> and to delete invalid or no longer need registry entries and files. 
>> >
>> >
>> >That's a very dangerous and poor thing to do, in my view. 
>> 
>> I'm sure it's something you're not capable of working with. In my view
>> it's a great way to keep your system humming. 
>
>
>You are certainly entitled to that view, if that's what you believe.
>But as far as I'm concerned, you're dead wrong.

Actually, both of you are wrong.  Having a bloated registry can grind
your whole system to a stand still and from my experience I believe MS
Office to be *THE* worst offender of registry bloat (amongst other
things).  Now, don't get me wrong, I like MS Office, I use it all the
time, but then I've systematically gone through its entire
installation and neutered out every last extraneous piece of shit that
wasn't doing anything or that I wasn't ever going to use.

*THAT* is the way to clean the registry...manually, by hand.  And to
make use of software that can track and record registry changes so you
know exactly what software is adding what to the registry and, if you
ever remove that software, you can make sure all its crap is actually
taken out.  That said you should *ALWAYS* keep backups of your
registry and using some kind of "registry cleaner" isn't advisable
unless you know EXACTLY what it's removing and *WHY* it's removing it.
If you can't specifically look at a registry entry and know *WHY* it
needs to not be there...you should leave it the fuck alone.  Even if
taking it out doesn't seem to produce some adverse affect in the here
and now doesn't mean that it's not going to cause some torrential
fuckup a week later.

For most users though you should just leave it the fuck alone.  Yeah
the shit is bloated and uses a lot of processing power/memory, but for
your average user their system is already light years beyond what
they're ever even going to need as far as file space, processing power
and memory and ultimately it's only going to make a few seconds of
difference here and there which for most people will hardly be
noticeable.  I do it because I'm frequently running my system to it's
maximum capabilities via rendering, video encoding and the liak so I
have an actual reason for doing it.  Some gamers might also benefit
from such optimization.  In general it can actually be good to have
MULTIPLE OS version installed on your system.  For example on mine I
have two installs of Windows, one in which all my usual software is
installed on and the other which is *JUST* windows and then
encoding/rendering software that doesn't need or make any registry or
system changes.  I switch to that OS (which has also been stripped
down from its base installation) when I need to do encoding or
rendering work and I need it done as fast as possible.

Of course for extreme needs I utilize a system I came up with called
the "Hydra Cluster" which is a collection of CD bootable Linux CDs
running Cluster Knoppix.  The CDs are comprised of one base or "body"
CD which is reconfigured with all the software I need and is setup to
act as the primary hub.  The rest of the CDs are "heads" which are
reconfigured to automatically search the network they're on for the
"body" and to connect to it.  Once they do their processing
power/memory is then directly tied into the "body" setup.  And even if
one of the heads is shut off the body will still continue to function
in whatever task it's performing...hence the "hydra" name.

 --

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm � x �
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
 saying, so much as what they're saying it for."

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the 
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you 
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity 
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct 
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others 
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start 
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that 
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just 
givin em out for free."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even 
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, 
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you 
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton 
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a 
function?" 

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. 
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast 
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken?  Really?  You're sure?  Awww, 
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!"    `, )

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 10:37:13 GMT, Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.>
wrote:

>"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in
>news:WbmdnV8eb4a2HdDUnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@ntd.net: 
>
>> 
>> "Bluuuue Rajah" <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9B7AB9C822192fdgdfjhsrtg@207.115.17.102...
>>>
>>> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
>>> Linux is obviuosly better, if you have the time and the expertise to
>>> use in it, but until this week I didn't understand exaclty why
>>> Windows is such a POS.
>>>
>>> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed
>>> an update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f command,
>>> the reason beame clear.  Windows' install/uninstall method causes
>>> bugs to accumulate, if programs are not ununstalled in precise the
>>> reverse order of which they were installed.
>>>
>>> The problem is that terrible method of saving old copies of system
>>> files, like .ini files, as backups, to be restored when software is
>>> uninstalled.  So the more apps you uninstall, out of order, the
>>> buggier your system becomes, until you finally have to reinstall the
>>> OS. 
>>>
>>> Linux apparently doesn't have anything resembling this problem, which
>>> makes me wonder, how did the Linux designers (Torvald?) handle this
>>> problem, and can we learn anything from their solution to help
>>> minimize the problem with Windows?
>>>
>>> Your thoughts?
>> 
>> 
>> I've been using Linux almost as long as I've been using Windows.
>> 
>> Linux is not immune from it's own problems...
>> and unless one is very familiar with Linux...the problems can
>> sometimes be harder to sort out.
>> 
>> That said, with a little bit of common sense, Windows should not
>> require a re-install.
>> I run mainly Win2k and XP and they have both been running 99% +
>> trouble free for *many* years.
>
>You're living in a fantasy world.  Everybody knows that Windows slowly 
>accumulates bugs.  They've known almost from day one, when people 
>started griping about what a POS it was.

This kid reminds me of that infomercial where those two dumb blond
chicks are raving on about how everything online works liak ~*MAGIC*~
simply because they don't know how it works.

 --

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm � x �
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
 saying, so much as what they're saying it for."

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the 
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you 
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity 
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct 
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others 
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start 
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that 
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just 
givin em out for free."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even 
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, 
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you 
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton 
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a 
function?" 

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. 
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast 
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken?  Really?  You're sure?  Awww, 
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!"    `, )

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 02:55:43 -0600, Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:04:09 -0800, Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Bluuuue Rajah wrote:
>>[snip]
>> 
>>> When I had to uninstall the Google toolbar because Google installed an
>>> update tht I didn't ask for, which overrode IE5's ctrl-f command,
>>[snip rest]
>>
>>   1) Firefox
>>   2) idiot
>Idiot is right. I've never seen the Google tool bar installed without
>being asked for permission before hand.
>99% of people screw up their own system by not reading everything when
>they click on shit.

I didn't even know there was a such a thing as a "Google tool bar",
the idiot musta been going out of his way looking for the damn thing
because I've never had it come up as an option with anything I've ever
installed.

 --

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm � x �
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
 saying, so much as what they're saying it for."

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the 
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you 
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity 
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct 
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others 
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start 
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that 
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just 
givin em out for free."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even 
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, 
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you 
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton 
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a 
function?" 

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. 
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast 
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken?  Really?  You're sure?  Awww, 
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!"    `, )

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:10:41 -0800 (PST), gabydewilde
<fototour@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 21, 10:59�am, schoenfeld....@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Dec 21, 9:13�am, Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> The problem with windows is
>> �[1] Management - constantly making wrong decisions, deliberately
>> breaking bridges in software/APIs for their "commercial advantage" and
>> the rest of the typical corporate idiocy. Microsoft Management is
>> filled with people who have
>> � �- never self-funded and run a profitable business on their own
>> � �- never produced a profitable consumerable in the free market
>>
>> Features, functionality and robustness always come after marketing and
>> politics and this is a sign that the company is on its way out.
>>
>> �[2] User interface design needs to accomodate the entire spectrum of
>> computer users from idiots to experts, old to young, culture, race,
>> etc. As a result, the UI designed to fit everybody in reality fits
>> nobody. It is inefficient, etc.
>>
>> �[3] Backwards compatibility - rather than dismiss the old and start
>> new, windows always carries the bad design principles through into new
>> version to support older software. They could've taken a
>> virtualization path as Apple have done in their OS, but idiot
>> management led by idiot Balmer decided that would be too easy,
>> profitable and make too much sense for them, so they support the
>> archaic APIs and software concepts in newer versions XP/Vista, etc
>> (and it looks like Windows 7 will still carry the same design).
>>
>> That being said, Linux is worse (much worse).
>
>Wondoes is not bad at all if you appreciate what it was made for. The
>main purposes are "make big business bigger" and "allow the US
>government to eavesdrop on everyone in the whole wide world" So from a
>technical perspective it truly is revolutionary. Every non US
>government gave their cyberspace to Microsoft! I mentioned how
>upsetting this was in 1995 The response talked mostly about a nice
>green start button. And how I should support the mainstream consensus
>of ubertruth.
>
>You know the theorem: If you are 10 steps ahead of the crowd you are a
>lunatic. I must say it took very long for people to figure it out.
>Even today most minions love using M$ and I'm using it to! Because
>there is no good alternative left alive. Honestly, Commodore was godly
>compared to this crap.
>
>Take for example the Chinese with the black screen. I thought it was
>hilarious! Even the Chinese are to stupid to write their own operating
>system. Would much rather use the US military application. Of course
>long before that lots and lots of smaller businesses went bankrupt
>thanx to micro$oft. You just got to give them credit for that.
>
>A 10 cent CD that costs hundreds of Euro's !! What to do with the
>money? Lets go and use it to kill kids in Africa and call it a fax-
>ination program.
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4204425.stm
>"The foundation run by Microsoft magnate Bill Gates has announced it
>is dedicating $750m (�400m) to a worldwide infant vaccination
>programme. Mr Gates said the donation would help save millions of
>children's lives."
>
>Ohh I thought people around the world needed drinking water and food
>stuffs?
>
>You ever try to eat a vaccine? "ohh, I'm hungry please give my
>shots!"; who believes that? But of course, the windoes crowd loves all
>Billo rhetorics universally!
>
>Here, this is the real work.
>
>http://www.ryanswell.ca/
>
>Put your hands on the screen!

...someone should repost this idiocy into alt.usenet.kooks, seriously
man, how's yer tin foil hat?

 --

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm � x �
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
 saying, so much as what they're saying it for."

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the 
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you 
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity 
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct 
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others 
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start 
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that 
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just 
givin em out for free."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even 
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, 
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you 
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton 
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a 
function?" 

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. 
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast 
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken?  Really?  You're sure?  Awww, 
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!"    `, )

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:46:14 -0800, catchme <someone@somewhere.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:

>>>>
>>> After your assertion that personal experience is "inaccurate (at best)", 
>>> your whole post has become a meaningless diatribe.
>> actually he has eloquently described why every major o/s has the same 
>> fundamental flaw: feature creep and bug-fix/ patches.....in other words, 
>> bloatware.
>> I can only hope that his follow- up post will be an announcement of a 
>> new o/s he and/or some friends built from the ground up.
> 
> No, actually he missed a rather large and very important issue and the
> fundamental reason as to *WHY* so many people have trouble with their
> software.
> 
> Can't guess what it is?
> 
> Let me ask you this...what is your SOFTware running on?
> 
> Yeah, that's right, HARDware.  If you're running your software with
> shit grade, factory seconds, refurbished garbage that you bought off
> eBay or pulled out of some fuckin Dell shit box...yeah...yer gonna be
> having all ~sorts~ of trouble gettin that bitch stay up for longer
> than five minutes without some kind of system crash.  I've found that
> a good 9 out of 10 times whatever "problem" a user is having is either
> because they're a fuckin idiot with a short between the keyboard and
> chair, or they're running their system on shit grade hardware.
> 

hardware and user intelligence are factors to consider, yes, but one has 
gotta admit that if you were the best god-damn software designer there 
was and knew whatever your favorite o/s is, inside and out, and had a 
rig so screaming fast that it would take the mid- market 4 years to 
catch up, would you still be happy with your o/s, even after you 
tinkered around with it beyond what the manufacture expressly authorised?
Factor in high computer aptitude and training, and solid-state hardware, 
and you're still left with over-written software- with the exception, 
perhaps of a few notable linux distros such as Damn Small Linux.

"Onideus Mad Hatter" <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message 
news:l1v1l41hajdj4phqc8lp2ic9l7l9eeagao@4ax.com...
>
> Of course for extreme needs I utilize a system I came up with called
> the "Hydra Cluster" which is a collection of CD bootable Linux CDs
> running Cluster Knoppix.  The CDs are comprised of one base or "body"
> CD which is reconfigured with all the software I need and is setup to
> act as the primary hub.  The rest of the CDs are "heads" which are
> reconfigured to automatically search the network they're on for the
> "body" and to connect to it.  Once they do their processing
> power/memory is then directly tied into the "body" setup.  And even if
> one of the heads is shut off the body will still continue to function
> in whatever task it's performing...hence the "hydra" name.
>

This sounds really interesting. Do you know of any well-done video tutorials 
on such a system? it would be nice to squeeze every last bit of power out of 
the multitude of POS boxes laying around that I don't really want to throw 
away. Hydra seems to be the ideal solution.

-rjk 

Onideus Mad Hatter turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:29:37 +0800, "Tom Potter" <tdp1001@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>
>>"The Daring Dufas" <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> wrote in message
>>news:gik5e9$olr$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>> Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
>>>>  The Daring Dufas <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
>>>>>>  Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
>>>>>>> Linux is obviuosly better,
>>>> 
>>>>>> Both operating systems suck, AmigaOS is and always been the best.
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga
>>>> 
>>>>> That's nice, what are you going to run it on?
>>>>> It's my understanding that no one makes hardware
>>>>> for it anymore.
>>>> 
>>>> The Wikipedia article was posted for a purpose.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> What....are....you....going....to....run....it....on?
>>
>>Windows, Macintosh, DOS, Linux, etc.
>>
>>http://www.thefreecountry.com/emulators/amiga.shtml
> 
> You'll have to forgive Doofy, he needs to have constant hand holding
> or he just gets all flustered and starts shitting his pants in
> frustration.

I remember being very impressed with Amiga. A buddy of mine in Germany moved
up to an Amiga 500 back in'89. It was an awesome computer doing things that
neither Mac nor DOS/Win were doing yet. 

Of course, that was almost twenty years ago.

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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:15:27 -0800, PerfectReign
<theperfectreign@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Onideus Mad Hatter turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:29:37 +0800, "Tom Potter" <tdp1001@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>
>>>"The Daring Dufas" <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> wrote in message
>>>news:gik5e9$olr$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>>> Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
>>>>>  The Daring Dufas <the-daring-dufas@peckerhead.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
>>>>>>>  Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
>>>>>>>> Linux is obviuosly better,
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Both operating systems suck, AmigaOS is and always been the best.
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga
>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's nice, what are you going to run it on?
>>>>>> It's my understanding that no one makes hardware
>>>>>> for it anymore.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Wikipedia article was posted for a purpose.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> What....are....you....going....to....run....it....on?
>>>
>>>Windows, Macintosh, DOS, Linux, etc.
>>>
>>>http://www.thefreecountry.com/emulators/amiga.shtml
>> 
>> You'll have to forgive Doofy, he needs to have constant hand holding
>> or he just gets all flustered and starts shitting his pants in
>> frustration.
>
>I remember being very impressed with Amiga. A buddy of mine in Germany moved
>up to an Amiga 500 back in'89. It was an awesome computer doing things that
>neither Mac nor DOS/Win were doing yet. 
>
>Of course, that was almost twenty years ago.

Yeah Amiga used to be the *ONLY* real option for graphics, 3D
rendering, video editing and other multimedia forms, but then they
just sorta lost it and in the 90s everything went down hill for them.
Kind of sad really, it used to really mean something to say you had an
Amiga, it was liak saying you had an SGI machine.

 --

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm � x �
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
 saying, so much as what they're saying it for."

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the 
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you 
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity 
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct 
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others 
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start 
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that 
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just 
givin em out for free."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even 
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, 
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you 
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton 
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a 
function?" 

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. 
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast 
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken?  Really?  You're sure?  Awww, 
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!"    `, )

"Anthony Prigmore" <idontnow@nuffink.inlavid> wrote in message
news:giqknh$ta8$1@news.tornevall.net...
> jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote in message
> news:giqkfk12959@news6.newsguy.com:
>
> > philo wrote:
> >> "jmfbahciv" <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote in message
> >> news:ginuh211su2@news7.newsguy.com...
> >>> philo wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >>>> Many years ago you gave me the best insult I have ever gotten...
> >>>> so I honestly respect you for that. <G>
> >>> I don't recall.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I still chuckle about it from time to time.
> >>>>
> >>> <grin>  good.
> >
> >> You don't???
> >
> > Sorry.  I couldn't remember.
> >
> >>
> >> It was a few years back and we had gotten into a huge argument
> >> about something...what ever that was I've long forgotten...however:
> >>
> >> You were the one who accused me of pretending to be stupid.
> >>
> >> I had to assure you that if I made a post that was stupid...
> >> it was for real. <G>
> >
> > At least it's caused light-heartedness since then.
> >
> > /BAH
> <SLURP>
> Do you two wanna get a room </SLURP>
>
>


I should think not...
though I have to admit that she did remind me of one of my ex-girlfriends...

Anyway I'm not the type to hold grudges.

Onideus Mad Hatter turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

>>I remember being very impressed with Amiga. A buddy of mine in Germany
>>moved up to an Amiga 500 back in'89. It was an awesome computer doing
>>things that neither Mac nor DOS/Win were doing yet.
>>
>>Of course, that was almost twenty years ago.
> 
> Yeah Amiga used to be the *ONLY* real option for graphics, 3D
> rendering, video editing and other multimedia forms, but then they
> just sorta lost it and in the 90s everything went down hill for them.
> Kind of sad really, it used to really mean something to say you had an
> Amiga, it was liak saying you had an SGI machine.

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten.

Wasn't it Video Toaster or something like that?  

I just remember us taking the score for Phantom of the Opera and converting
it on the Amiga to multiple heavy metal guitars. 

The synth program that came with teh Amiga was awesome - for the time.

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Clean out a corner of your mind and creativity will instantly fill it. - Dee
Hock

 PerfectReign <theperfectreign@yahoo.com> wrote:


>>>>>> Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
>>>>>>>  Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:

>>>>>>>> Everybody rightly criticizes Micro$tiff for selling a crappy OS, and
>>>>>>>> Linux is obviuosly better,
 
>>>>>>> Both operating systems suck, AmigaOS is and always been the best.
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga
>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's nice, what are you going to run it on?
>>>>>> It's my understanding that no one makes hardware
>>>>>> for it anymore.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Wikipedia article was posted for a purpose.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> What....are....you....going....to....run....it....on?
>>>
>>>Windows, Macintosh, DOS, Linux, etc.
>>>
>>>http://www.thefreecountry.com/emulators/amiga.shtml

>I remember being very impressed with Amiga. A buddy of mine in Germany moved
>up to an Amiga 500 back in'89. It was an awesome computer doing things that
>neither Mac nor DOS/Win were doing yet. 
>
>Of course, that was almost twenty years ago.

I was Major Amiga 500, 2000, and the 3000. There was no Software for
the AmigA, the best stuff never made it out of Germany.

Sooo I grabbed software from any source available, people, pirate
sites, Internet with Pine (no sticking WWW for me.)

To kinda show you what I still have software wise.
I have Three wooden boxes like this one, three drawers each
http://i39.tinypic.com/5u1i11.jpg

Each drawer is filled with 720K floppy disk. (most of the disk were
1.4, but 720K was what the AmigA did.
http://i42.tinypic.com/fof67n.jpg

And yes indeed they are all in storage :)

I also ran one of the most popular BBS's in my area, Cnet, it was a
chat board with 6 lines.
-- 

Face appears in an icicle. 
Since it's in the Godless Northwest, no one's claiming it's Jesus
http://www.komonews.com/weather/blog/36578184.html?blog=y

Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

>>Of course, that was almost twenty years ago.
> 
> I was Major Amiga 500, 2000, and the 3000. There was no Software for
> the AmigA, the best stuff never made it out of Germany.

Ahh, that makes sense. I remember my friends (in Stuttgart) having shitloads
of software for his Amiga. Yet I never really heard of it other than in
passing here in the US. By that time, everything was pretty much Macintosh
vs. DOS for the home user. (I was on Vax and Mac systems at school.)



> 
> Sooo I grabbed software from any source available, people, pirate
> sites, Internet with Pine (no sticking WWW for me.)

Yeah, all the software my buddies had (and traded) was either supplied by
pirate bbs' or they copied directly from unwitting software stores.
(Remember software stores?)


> 
> To kinda show you what I still have software wise.
> I have Three wooden boxes like this one, three drawers each
> http://i39.tinypic.com/5u1i11.jpg
> 
> Each drawer is filled with 720K floppy disk. (most of the disk were
> 1.4, but 720K was what the AmigA did.
> http://i42.tinypic.com/fof67n.jpg
> 
> And yes indeed they are all in storage :)
> 
> I also ran one of the most popular BBS's in my area, Cnet, it was a
> chat board with 6 lines.

What's you're area?

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Clean out a corner of your mind and creativity will instantly fill it. - Dee
Hock

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:27:18 -0800, PerfectReign
<theperfectreign@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
>
>>>Of course, that was almost twenty years ago.
>> 
>> I was Major Amiga 500, 2000, and the 3000. There was no Software for
>> the AmigA, the best stuff never made it out of Germany.
>
>Ahh, that makes sense. I remember my friends (in Stuttgart) having shitloads
>of software for his Amiga. Yet I never really heard of it other than in
>passing here in the US. By that time, everything was pretty much Macintosh
>vs. DOS for the home user. (I was on Vax and Mac systems at school.)
>
>
>
>> 
>> Sooo I grabbed software from any source available, people, pirate
>> sites, Internet with Pine (no sticking WWW for me.)
>
>Yeah, all the software my buddies had (and traded) was either supplied by
>pirate bbs' or they copied directly from unwitting software stores.
>(Remember software stores?)

Back in the day I got most of my software from schools, often directly
out of machines it was already installed on.  It was real easy back
then to track all the parts of the program, its registry entries, etc
in order to install an installed copy.  Of course a lot of software
back then was liak Agent, in that it made no changes at all to the
system outside of its own folder and was therefore super easy to copy
and distribute.

Pirating software is actually one of the things that really got me
initially interested in computers, later it became the drive for
multimedia that fueled my interest (and still does today)

I also remember the twilight years of the floppy, right before the
CD-ROM was the norm.  Windows 3.11 was only liak 8 disks for the
standard US install, DOS 6.22 was something liak 3 I think, Office, I
can't recall the version, was some monstrous 40 some odd disks, Win95
was 13 I think...heh, I kinda miss floppies, as craptastic as they
were they were fun, much moar "personality" than CDs and flash drives.

I think a lot of software makers would benefit from distributing their
stuff on flash drives rather than CD/DVDs if it's not too bloaty,
getting a free flash drive with your software would be a good
marketing gimmick to get people to buy yer stuff.

Speaking of floppies and everything though, I find it kind of sad that
there isn't even *ONE* resource online that has historical data on the
number of floppies that software came on (at least not one I can find
and I spent a good two hours in Google).

I suppose we could start one here.  Here's what I've gathered in my
searching:

5.25" floppies
=============
Windows 1.0 - 5 disks (40 track disks)
Windows 2.0 - 8 disks (WinWrite on Disk 9)
Windows 2.1 - 4 disks (80 track disks)

3.5" floppies
=============
Windows 3.1 - 6 disks (international printer drivers on Disk 7)
Windows 3.11 - 8 disks ( extra junk on Disk 9 )
Windows 95 - 13 disks

Of course a lot of these numbers are relative, I'm going by the
standard US versions here, international versions often had extra
disks for language chit and the liak.

I might set this up as  site, where people can submit photos they have
of the installation disks and the site will keep track of the number
of floppies, what kind of floppies they are and what encoding format
was used.  This could be a fun project.

 --

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm � x �
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
 saying, so much as what they're saying it for."

"Don't ever fuck with someone who has more creativity than you do."

"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the 
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you 
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity 
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct 
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others 
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start 
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that 
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just 
givin em out for free."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even 
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, 
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you 
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton 
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a 
function?" 

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. 
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast 
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken?  Really?  You're sure?  Awww, 
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!"    `, )

On Dec 22, 12:10 am, gabydewilde <fotot...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> Wondoes is not bad at all if you appreciate what it was made for. The
> main purposes are "make big business bigger" and "allow the US
> government to eavesdrop on everyone in the whole wide world" So from a

Windows was originally a good operating system without backdoors.

Remember the anti-trust suit against Microsoft?

They settled and some of the governments demands were backdoors in
windows which are well-known. Look up "NSA key windows".

Microsoft was strong-armed into giving  NSA and Mossad backdoors into
everyones computers. But that doesn't excuse Bill Gates.

Whether the Jews strong-armed him or whether he went along voluntarily
it doesn't matter, he's now aiding and abetting the criminal network.

[...]

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4204425.stm
> "The foundation run by Microsoft magnate Bill Gates has announced it
> is dedicating $750m (£400m) to a worldwide infant vaccination
> programme. Mr Gates said the donation would help save millions of
> children's lives."
>
> Ohh I thought people around the world needed drinking water and food
> stuffs?
>
> You ever try to eat a vaccine? "ohh, I'm hungry please give my
> shots!"; who believes that? But of course, the windoes crowd loves all
> Billo rhetorics universally!

Good point. I forgot Bill and Melinda's foundation are masquerading
around the world as "helping poor blacks in africa" when in reality
they are

  - steralizing the blacks with their "vaccines"
  - testing out GM and other frankencrops on the blacks under the
guise of "nutrition".

I suspect Bill and Melinda are being subconciously manipulated.

They are just rich billionares who feel guilty and "want to help the
poor blacks".

Of course, the true order of things will rearrange what is such that
their desires are only met superficially, when in reality, they are
mere tools of the agenda.

[...]

schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 22, 12:10 am, gabydewilde <fotot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> Wondoes is not bad at all if you appreciate what it was made for. The
>> main purposes are "make big business bigger" and "allow the US
>> government to eavesdrop on everyone in the whole wide world" So from a
> 
> Windows was originally a good operating system without backdoors.
> 
> Remember the anti-trust suit against Microsoft?
> 
> They settled and some of the governments demands were backdoors in
> windows which are well-known. Look up "NSA key windows".
> 
> Microsoft was strong-armed into giving  NSA and Mossad backdoors into
> everyones computers. But that doesn't excuse Bill Gates.
>

Hell, the government forced Ma Bell to install a backdoor into
the national phone switching network so the alphabet agencies
could listen in on us to protect us from ourselves. All the
fiber it tapped by our "?servants?".

> Whether the Jews strong-armed him or whether he went along voluntarily
> it doesn't matter, he's now aiding and abetting the criminal network.
> 
> [...]
> 
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4204425.stm
>> "The foundation run by Microsoft magnate Bill Gates has announced it
>> is dedicating $750m (�400m) to a worldwide infant vaccination
>> programme. Mr Gates said the donation would help save millions of
>> children's lives."
>>
>> Ohh I thought people around the world needed drinking water and food
>> stuffs?
>>
>> You ever try to eat a vaccine? "ohh, I'm hungry please give my
>> shots!"; who believes that? But of course, the windoes crowd loves all
>> Billo rhetorics universally!
> 
> Good point. I forgot Bill and Melinda's foundation are masquerading
> around the world as "helping poor blacks in africa" when in reality
> they are
> 
>   - steralizing the blacks with their "vaccines"
>   - testing out GM and other frankencrops on the blacks under the
> guise of "nutrition".
>

African Negroes are doing a pretty good job of killing
themselves off. The best way to help them is to give
them is a hand up with education because human beings
are not inherently stupid, they're just ignorant and
because of ignorance do some incredibly stupid things.
Like poor planning for disaster and running up the
population beyond their ability to feed it. Tolerating
corruption as part of the culture which allows a handful
of people to decimate a society and the refusal by many
to do the simplest things to prevent the spread of disease.
These things are the greatest threats to the lives of my
African cousins, not Bill and Melinda. Most people forget
that there are 54 different countries that make up the
continent of Africa and that the population not homogeneous.
I have a lot of fun with people who tell me that they are
"African American". I always ask them which of the 54
countries or which region of Africa they are from. I get
a lot of blank stares. That education thing strikes again.

> I suspect Bill and Melinda are being subconciously manipulated.
> 
> They are just rich billionares who feel guilty and "want to help the
> poor blacks".
> 
> Of course, the true order of things will rearrange what is such that
> their desires are only met superficially, when in reality, they are
> mere tools of the agenda.
> 
> [...]

 PerfectReign <theperfectreign@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> I also ran one of the most popular BBS's in my area, Cnet, it was a
>> chat board with 6 lines.

>What's you're area?

Tri-cities Washington, bout 200 miles SW  from Spokane
-- 

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Since it's in the Godless Northwest, no one's claiming it's Jesus
http://www.komonews.com/weather/blog/36578184.html?blog=y

Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

>  PerfectReign <theperfectreign@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>>> I also ran one of the most popular BBS's in my area, Cnet, it was a
>>> chat board with 6 lines.
> 
>>What's you're area?
> 
> Tri-cities Washington, bout 200 miles SW  from Spokane

Ahh, long distance for me!

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Clean out a corner of your mind and creativity will instantly fill it. - Dee
Hock

schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 22, 12:10 am, gabydewilde <fotot...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> You ever try to eat a vaccine? "ohh, I'm hungry please give my
>> shots!"; who believes that? But of course, the windoes crowd loves all
>> Billo rhetorics universally!
> 
> Good point. I forgot Bill and Melinda's foundation are masquerading
> around the world as "helping poor blacks in africa" when in reality
> they are
> 
>   - steralizing the blacks with their "vaccines"
>   - testing out GM and other frankencrops on the blacks under the
> guise of "nutrition".
> 

i dont know about the above statements, but I DO recall a quote where 
Bill Gates discusses donating computers to a third world country through 
his Foundation, reflecting on how so few people in that country reflects 
in  "low market share".
Using one's Foundation to increase market share in your own company,,,, 
why arent exploitation, tax evasion and conflict of interest charges 
pending?

catchme wrote:
> schoenfeld.one@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Dec 22, 12:10 am, gabydewilde <fotot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>>
>>> You ever try to eat a vaccine? "ohh, I'm hungry please give my
>>> shots!"; who believes that? But of course, the windoes crowd loves all
>>> Billo rhetorics universally!
>>
>> Good point. I forgot Bill and Melinda's foundation are masquerading
>> around the world as "helping poor blacks in africa" when in reality
>> they are
>>
>>   - steralizing the blacks with their "vaccines"
>>   - testing out GM and other frankencrops on the blacks under the
>> guise of "nutrition".
>>
> 
> i dont know about the above statements, but I DO recall a quote where 
> Bill Gates discusses donating computers to a third world country through 
> his Foundation, reflecting on how so few people in that country reflects 
> in  "low market share".
> Using one's Foundation to increase market share in your own company,,,, 
> why arent exploitation, tax evasion and conflict of interest charges 
> pending?

Consider also that this "goodwill" effort only occured *after* the OLPC 
project to get linux laptops to 3rd world kids was started.
M$ saw it as a threat to market dominance.
Giving kids wXP notebooks was the countermeasure.
FYI
HTH