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(Normally I trim articles so as to only get to the meat of what I'm
replying to. However, with the forwarding business, I'm leaving this
untrimmed. Comments after the quoted part.)


In article <1172434129.974186.182090@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
<dhm_at_best_dot_com@yahoo.com> wrote:

> -----Begin Forward-----
> 
> From:  "Becky Johnson" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/huffsantacruz
> Date:   Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:38:13 -0800
> Subject:   [huffsantacruz] Trash on Pacific Ave: Letter in the Sentinel
> Feb 25 2007
> 
> 
> NOTE TO READER: Julie Bernhard of Santa Cruz writes that she will
> continue to work and shop downtown despite "undesirables" blowing
> smoke in her face, and urges the community to create an atmosphere of
> mutual respect downtown "together." However, her letter ignores that
> the current city policy is exactly the opposite:  A small group of
> business leaders, meeting behind closed doors with Vice-Mayor Ryan
> Coonerty, Lynn Robinson, and Cynthia Mathews have orchestrated a
> police sweep in an effort to cleanse Pacific Avenue of those "sights"
> which make Ryan Coonerty's customers at Bookshop Santa Cruz
> "uncomfortable. "  The sight of a panhandler is apparently the "broken
> window" that must be fixed.  But rather than face the fact that the
> employment opportunities for homeless and poor panhandlers are few,
> the pay substandard, and the gap between those wages and the sky-
> rocketing cost of housing have left too many out in the cold.  These
> same business interests who spent $100,000 last year to defeat Measure
> G, a raise in the minimum wage, are now spending beaucoups bucks on
> police overtime, selectively enforcing a mulititude of minor
> ordinances against anyone who is not shopping fast enough.   --- Becky
> Johnson of HUFF


I often spend half a day in downtown Santa Cruz, not buying a single
thing. I browse the three main bookstores, I sit on the benches using
my WiFi connection to one of the many hotspots, I wander in and out of
various stores. I don't buy much because I see little to buy--and I do
my grocery and clothing and suchlike shopping in areas that actually
have grocery stores and general clothing stores. 

(I often stop on my way home at the Trader Joe's a block off of the
main street that is being discussed in the above quote. But, to the
point Becky makes, the cops on Pacific Avenue certainly have no
possible way of knowing that I will later drive my car from the parking
lot over to the TJ's parking lot and buy some groceries. As far as they
can see, I am just a middle-aged buy without any shopping bags marked
"The Gap" or "Gloria Jean's" or even "Bookshop Santa Cruz.")

So, in 25 years of spending time on Pacific Avenue--including the years
when it was called Pacific Garden Mall--I've never been "rousted" or
"removed" from the area. Nor even "ticketed." 

Nor even _questioned_ about what I am doing in town. 

This is not even a function of what I'm wearing, as I usually just wear
a pair of Levis, some sandals, and whatever shirt and light jacket is
handy.

Perhaps it's because I haven't unrolled a sleeping bag in front of a
jewelry store and set up my "camp." Perhaps it's because I haven't
wandered through Bookshop Santa Cruz shouting obscenities. Perhaps it's
because I haven't sprayed hydroflouric acid (or whichever etchant they
are using) on the glass windows of shops along the street.

Or even perhaps it's because I haven't dropped my pants and deposited a
load next to Peet's Coffee.

The bums and winoes and drifters and addicts who drift into Santa Cruz
are not deserving of money taken at gunpoint from those who worked for
their incomes and their savings. If they wish "shelter" they should get
jobs and work, as most Americans are forced to do. And if Santa Cruz is
lacking in jobs they "want" to do, they should either adjust their
wants or find towns and states where the work is more to their liking. 

(Frankly, low skills jobs in our upscale community are mainly done by
Mexicans. These whites who arrive and are not fit to do landscaping, or
yard maintenance, or roofing, and who are unskilled in computers, chip
design, the medical industry, etc., really cannot expect there to be
jobs for them, now can they? And since they unwilling to get up at
Oh-Dark-Thirty for the morning shift at Denny's, not a lot of jobs in
Santa Cruz. Or Santa Barbara. Or Santa Monica. Or any other affluent,
high-skilled areas. And yet they drift into town, find the needle
exchange place, sign up for the marijuana giveaways, seek "benefits,"
complain about how they are not being given shelter, and whine to
liberals like Becky and Robert and Dan that they are being repressed.)

And, practically speaking, any and all "programs" for these bums and
drunks and Rastafarians and such have had one obvious effect: it has
increased the number of such drifters who arrive in Santa Cruz looking
for "programs" and for lax enforcement of laws.

Feed the pigeons and get more pigeons. 

Don't feed the pigeons.


--Tim May, Santa Cruz area visitor since 1973. Santa Cruz area resident
since 1982 (minus 3 years over the hill in Mountain View).

On Feb 25, 1:03 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:

> .........And yet they drift into town, find the needle
> exchange place, sign up for the marijuana giveaways, seek "benefits,"
> complain about how they are not being given shelter, and whine to
> liberals like Becky and Robert and Dan that they are being repressed.)
>

Don't you fall into the same trap as the other jerks.  This journalism
is a hobby with me.  I started into the Homeless-schtick with the
attitude and reading of a land use attorney.  The others all wanted to
be the Homeless Advocate-Representative Beegshots.  I've been
'homeless' for the better part of 35 years.  Do you think that I ever
wanted these people to 'represent' me?  Hell no.

Robert and Becky closed off their list in a way that the public could
not get access to what they were saying.  They've always been Usenet
clueless.  Do you remember my website that had original and rare
documents that nobody would want you to read?  Get it?  The website
had little to do with 'homelessness'.  It had a lot to do with
history.  Does that give you a clue about why I have few reservations
about forwarding their stuff?  Everyone, "left" and "right", will
accuse me of being the other.

At one point I learned things from Becky like who was suspected to be
going around with baseball bats smashing people in their tents.  That
made it a different ball game for me.  So I forwarded the info to the
DOJ.  Soon after that there was a cop car on our corner for a week or
two when I went out on our front walkway in the morning to grab our
daily SF Chronicles - that turned out to be missing.

dhm_at_best_dot_com@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 25, 1:03 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> 
>> .........And yet they drift into town, find the needle
>> exchange place, sign up for the marijuana giveaways, seek "benefits,"
>> complain about how they are not being given shelter, and whine to
>> liberals like Becky and Robert and Dan that they are being repressed.)
>>
> 
> Don't you fall into the same trap as the other jerks.  This journalism

Ha ha ha!  "Journalism" my ass.  What a fucking 
steaming load of shit.

In article <1172454461.376750.93700@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
<dhm_at_best_dot_com@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Feb 25, 1:03 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> 
> > .........And yet they drift into town, find the needle
> > exchange place, sign up for the marijuana giveaways, seek "benefits,"
> > complain about how they are not being given shelter, and whine to
> > liberals like Becky and Robert and Dan that they are being repressed.)
> >
> 
> Don't you fall into the same trap as the other jerks.  This journalism
> is a hobby with me.  I started into the Homeless-schtick with the
> attitude and reading of a land use attorney.  The others all wanted to
> be the Homeless Advocate-Representative Beegshots.  I've been
> 'homeless' for the better part of 35 years.  Do you think that I ever
> wanted these people to 'represent' me?  Hell no.

A strange kind of "journalism" when one ONLY forwards and reports the
Trotskyite politics. 

Even for the typically biased "reporters" of our age, they at least
make a token effort to analyze what is being said.

Speaking of which, you forwarded Becky's claim that people are being
harassed because they don't do enough shopping downtown....and yet I
reported that in more than 22 years of spending a _lot_ of time in
downtown Santa Cruz I have not been harassed (except by bums, winoes,
and beggars), nor have I been arrested, run out of town, ticketed, etc.

And this is without any apparent "shopping" on my part. Which means
Becky's causal claim is shot to pieces.

So, as a self-proclaimed "journalist", did you investigate Becky's
claim? Did you evaluate it and her/their other socialist propaganda for
evidence of truth or falsity?

What you are, Dan, is a mouthpiece. Not a journalist, a mouthpiece. 

This is what someone who only forwards or reports one particular group
of people's views is. A mouthpiece.

> 
> Robert and Becky closed off their list in a way that the public could
> not get access to what they were saying.  They've always been Usenet
> clueless.  Do you remember my website that had original and rare
> documents that nobody would want you to read?  Get it?  The website
> had little to do with 'homelessness'.  It had a lot to do with
> history.  Does that give you a clue about why I have few reservations
> about forwarding their stuff?  Everyone, "left" and "right", will
> accuse me of being the other.

If they wish to not be read, honor their wish.

Frankly, Norse is much more interested in stamping his feet and making
threats to hold his breath in City Council meetings than he is in
making any kind of _case_ for what he (apparently) wants. 

I add "apparently" because it's never clear what his "demands"
are....building hotels for the bums, sending the word out to bums all
across Califiornia to come and move into the hotels? Free food for
those who don't want to work? Assigned camping spots in all of the
city's parks, so that taxpayers will not be able to use the very parks
their taxes have paid for? And so on. He thinks of himself as some sort
of political theorist, but where is his plan? And who has ever
critiqued or analyzed it?

This is why he rants on one-page screeds that cannot be analyzed in any
meaningful way. This is why he fumes and rants at City Council
meetings. This is why he doesn't want his "thoughts" propagated on the
Net--he knows full well how incoherent they are.

And you, his mouthpiece, are not honoring his obvious intentions to
keep  his words limited to his quasi-literate street people allies. 

"Yeah, what Robert said! Right on! Food, not bombs! We gotta shut that
motherfucking bookstore DOWN! Yo, got any blow?"

> 
> At one point I learned things from Becky like who was suspected to be
> going around with baseball bats smashing people in their tents.  That
> made it a different ball game for me. 

If the cops refuse to enforce the laws, the people have to.

There is plenty of wilderness for people to camp in. But the bums are
not interested in camping qua camping. Rather, they want "social
services," access to drug-dealing centers, free food, handouts from
governemnt agencies, and no need to work. And they think San Lorenzo
Park is their toilet, their living room, and their place of business.
When the bums own the public places, and the cops look away, time for
the people to start bashing heads....

The Trollbusters cleaned up the bum problem for about six months back
when they were active. They accomplished more by knocking some heads
and pushing bums off the bridges than all of the do-gooder, blissninny
crap since.

Busting heads of people who are stealing from us is morally righteous.

Don't feed the pigeons.


--Tim May

On Feb 25, 8:29 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:

> A strange kind of "journalism" when one ONLY forwards and reports the
> Trotskyite politics.
>
> Even for the typically biased "reporters" of our age, they at least
> make a token effort to analyze what is being said.
>
> So, as a self-proclaimed "journalist", did you investigate Becky's
> claim? Did you evaluate it and her/their other socialist propaganda for
> evidence of truth or falsity?
>
> What you are, Dan, is a mouthpiece. Not a journalist, a mouthpiece.
>
> This is what someone who only forwards or reports one particular group
> of people's views is. A mouthpiece.
>
> If they wish to not be read, honor their wish.
>
> And you, his mouthpiece, are not honoring his obvious intentions to
> keep  his words limited to his quasi-literate street people allies.
>
> The Trollbusters cleaned up the bum problem for about six months back
> when they were active. They accomplished more by knocking some heads
> and pushing bums off the bridges than all of the do-gooder, blissninny
> crap since.
>
> Busting heads of people who are stealing from us is morally righteous.
>
> Don't feed the pigeons.
>
> --Tim May

I wrote:

> > Robert and Becky closed off their list in a way that the public could
> > not get access to what they were saying.  They've always been Usenet
> > clueless.  Do you remember my website that had original and rare
> > documents that nobody would want you to read?  Get it?  The website
> > had little to do with 'homelessness'.  It had a lot to do with
> > history.  Does that give you a clue about why I have few reservations
> > about forwarding their stuff?  Everyone, "left" and "right", will
> > accuse me of being the other.

Actually it was somebody other than Robert and Becky who closed their
list and hijacked it.  I think it's open now for reading.  Their views
have technically been 'public' but not disseminated very much.

If I forward an original document, I do more of a service by letting a
reader judge it without me filtering it.  If the "trollbusters" want
to send me their written stuff to forward to the newsgroups, then I'll
post that too.  If that happens, I'll be accused of being their
'mouthpiece'.

dhm_at_best_dot_com@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 25, 8:29 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> 
>> A strange kind of "journalism" when one ONLY forwards and reports the
>> Trotskyite politics.
>>
>> Even for the typically biased "reporters" of our age, they at least
>> make a token effort to analyze what is being said.
>>
>> So, as a self-proclaimed "journalist", did you investigate Becky's
>> claim? Did you evaluate it and her/their other socialist propaganda for
>> evidence of truth or falsity?
>>
>> What you are, Dan, is a mouthpiece. Not a journalist, a mouthpiece.
>>
>> This is what someone who only forwards or reports one particular group
>> of people's views is. A mouthpiece.
>>
>> If they wish to not be read, honor their wish.
>>
>> And you, his mouthpiece, are not honoring his obvious intentions to
>> keep  his words limited to his quasi-literate street people allies.
>>
>> The Trollbusters cleaned up the bum problem for about six months back
>> when they were active. They accomplished more by knocking some heads
>> and pushing bums off the bridges than all of the do-gooder, blissninny
>> crap since.
>>
>> Busting heads of people who are stealing from us is morally righteous.
>>
>> Don't feed the pigeons.
>>
>> --Tim May
> 
> I wrote:
> 
>>> Robert and Becky closed off their list in a way that the public could
>>> not get access to what they were saying.  They've always been Usenet
>>> clueless.  Do you remember my website that had original and rare
>>> documents that nobody would want you to read?  Get it?  The website
>>> had little to do with 'homelessness'.  It had a lot to do with
>>> history.  Does that give you a clue about why I have few reservations
>>> about forwarding their stuff?  Everyone, "left" and "right", will
>>> accuse me of being the other.
> 
> Actually it was somebody other than Robert and Becky who closed their
> list and hijacked it.  I think it's open now for reading.  Their views
> have technically been 'public' but not disseminated very much.
> 
> If I forward an original document, I do more of a service by letting a
> reader judge it without me filtering it. 

You don't do *any* kind of a service, Myers, merely by 
"forwarding" some whiny bullshit about homelessness to 
newsgroups where it has no business being posted, and 
when you're blatantly doing so just to stir shit.

On Feb 25, 9:13 pm, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
> dhm_at_best_dot_...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Feb 25, 8:29 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>
> >> A strange kind of "journalism" when one ONLY forwards and reports the
> >> Trotskyite politics.
>
> >> Even for the typically biased "reporters" of our age, they at least
> >> make a token effort to analyze what is being said.
>
> >> So, as a self-proclaimed "journalist", did you investigate Becky's
> >> claim? Did you evaluate it and her/their other socialist propaganda for
> >> evidence of truth or falsity?
>
> >> What you are, Dan, is a mouthpiece. Not a journalist, a mouthpiece.
>
> >> This is what someone who only forwards or reports one particular group
> >> of people's views is. A mouthpiece.
>
> >> If they wish to not be read, honor their wish.
>
> >> And you, his mouthpiece, are not honoring his obvious intentions to
> >> keep  his words limited to his quasi-literate street people allies.
>
> >> The Trollbusters cleaned up the bum problem for about six months back
> >> when they were active. They accomplished more by knocking some heads
> >> and pushing bums off the bridges than all of the do-gooder, blissninny
> >> crap since.
>
> >> Busting heads of people who are stealing from us is morally righteous.
>
> >> Don't feed the pigeons.
>
> >> --Tim May
>
> > I wrote:
>
> >>> Robert and Becky closed off their list in a way that the public could
> >>> not get access to what they were saying.  They've always been Usenet
> >>> clueless.  Do you remember my website that had original and rare
> >>> documents that nobody would want you to read?  Get it?  The website
> >>> had little to do with 'homelessness'.  It had a lot to do with
> >>> history.  Does that give you a clue about why I have few reservations
> >>> about forwarding their stuff?  Everyone, "left" and "right", will
> >>> accuse me of being the other.
>
> > Actually it was somebody other than Robert and Becky who closed their
> > list and hijacked it.  I think it's open now for reading.  Their views
> > have technically been 'public' but not disseminated very much.
>
> > If I forward an original document, I do more of a service by letting a
> > reader judge it without me filtering it.
>
> You don't do *any* kind of a service, Myers, merely by
> "forwarding" some whiny bullshit about homelessness to
> newsgroups where it has no business being posted, and
> when you're blatantly doing so just to stir shit.

So use your delete key.

dhm_at_best_dot_com@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 25, 9:13 pm, Rudy Canoza <rudy-can...@excite.com> wrote:
>> dhm_at_best_dot_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Feb 25, 8:29 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>>>> A strange kind of "journalism" when one ONLY forwards and reports the
>>>> Trotskyite politics.
>>>> Even for the typically biased "reporters" of our age, they at least
>>>> make a token effort to analyze what is being said.
>>>> So, as a self-proclaimed "journalist", did you investigate Becky's
>>>> claim? Did you evaluate it and her/their other socialist propaganda for
>>>> evidence of truth or falsity?
>>>> What you are, Dan, is a mouthpiece. Not a journalist, a mouthpiece.
>>>> This is what someone who only forwards or reports one particular group
>>>> of people's views is. A mouthpiece.
>>>> If they wish to not be read, honor their wish.
>>>> And you, his mouthpiece, are not honoring his obvious intentions to
>>>> keep  his words limited to his quasi-literate street people allies.
>>>> The Trollbusters cleaned up the bum problem for about six months back
>>>> when they were active. They accomplished more by knocking some heads
>>>> and pushing bums off the bridges than all of the do-gooder, blissninny
>>>> crap since.
>>>> Busting heads of people who are stealing from us is morally righteous.
>>>> Don't feed the pigeons.
>>>> --Tim May
>>> I wrote:
>>>>> Robert and Becky closed off their list in a way that the public could
>>>>> not get access to what they were saying.  They've always been Usenet
>>>>> clueless.  Do you remember my website that had original and rare
>>>>> documents that nobody would want you to read?  Get it?  The website
>>>>> had little to do with 'homelessness'.  It had a lot to do with
>>>>> history.  Does that give you a clue about why I have few reservations
>>>>> about forwarding their stuff?  Everyone, "left" and "right", will
>>>>> accuse me of being the other.
>>> Actually it was somebody other than Robert and Becky who closed their
>>> list and hijacked it.  I think it's open now for reading.  Their views
>>> have technically been 'public' but not disseminated very much.
>>> If I forward an original document, I do more of a service by letting a
>>> reader judge it without me filtering it.
>> You don't do *any* kind of a service, Myers, merely by
>> "forwarding" some whiny bullshit about homelessness to
>> newsgroups where it has no business being posted, and
>> when you're blatantly doing so just to stir shit.
> 
> So use your delete key.

Just don't post the shit, Myers.  You're not being a 
contributor by doing it.  You're being a troll.

On Feb 25, 8:29 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> In article <1172454461.376750.93...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
>
> <dhm_at_best_dot_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 25, 1:03 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>
> > > .........And yet they drift into town, find the needle
> > > exchange place, sign up for the marijuana giveaways, seek "benefits,"
> > > complain about how they are not being given shelter, and whine to
> > > liberals like Becky and Robert and Dan that they are being repressed.)
>
> > Don't you fall into the same trap as the other jerks.  This journalism
> > is a hobby with me.  I started into the Homeless-schtick with the
> > attitude and reading of a land use attorney.  The others all wanted to
> > be the Homeless Advocate-Representative Beegshots.  I've been
> > 'homeless' for the better part of 35 years.  Do you think that I ever
> > wanted these people to 'represent' me?  Hell no.
>
> A strange kind of "journalism" when one ONLY forwards and reports the
> Trotskyite politics.
>
> Even for the typically biased "reporters" of our age, they at least
> make a token effort to analyze what is being said.
>
> Speaking of which, you forwarded Becky's claim that people are being
> harassed because they don't do enough shopping downtown....and yet I
> reported that in more than 22 years of spending a _lot_ of time in
> downtown Santa Cruz I have not been harassed (except by bums, winoes,
> and beggars), nor have I been arrested, run out of town, ticketed, etc.
>
> And this is without any apparent "shopping" on my part. Which means
> Becky's causal claim is shot to pieces.
>
> So, as a self-proclaimed "journalist", did you investigate Becky's
> claim? Did you evaluate it and her/their other socialist propaganda for
> evidence of truth or falsity?
>
> What you are, Dan, is a mouthpiece. Not a journalist, a mouthpiece.
>
> This is what someone who only forwards or reports one particular group
> of people's views is. A mouthpiece.
>
>
>
> > Robert and Becky closed off their list in a way that the public could
> > not get access to what they were saying.  They've always been Usenet
> > clueless.  Do you remember my website that had original and rare
> > documents that nobody would want you to read?  Get it?  The website
> > had little to do with 'homelessness'.  It had a lot to do with
> > history.  Does that give you a clue about why I have few reservations
> > about forwarding their stuff?  Everyone, "left" and "right", will
> > accuse me of being the other.
>
> If they wish to not be read, honor their wish.
>
> Frankly, Norse is much more interested in stamping his feet and making
> threats to hold his breath in City Council meetings than he is in
> making any kind of _case_ for what he (apparently) wants.
>
> I add "apparently" because it's never clear what his "demands"
> are....building hotels for the bums, sending the word out to bums all
> across Califiornia to come and move into the hotels? Free food for
> those who don't want to work? Assigned camping spots in all of the
> city's parks, so that taxpayers will not be able to use the very parks
> their taxes have paid for? And so on. He thinks of himself as some sort
> of political theorist, but where is his plan? And who has ever
> critiqued or analyzed it?
>
> This is why he rants on one-page screeds that cannot be analyzed in any
> meaningful way. This is why he fumes and rants at City Council
> meetings. This is why he doesn't want his "thoughts" propagated on the
> Net--he knows full well how incoherent they are.
>
> And you, his mouthpiece, are not honoring his obvious intentions to
> keep  his words limited to his quasi-literate street people allies.
>
> "Yeah, what Robert said! Right on! Food, not bombs! We gotta shut that
> motherfucking bookstore DOWN! Yo, got any blow?"
>
>
>
> > At one point I learned things from Becky like who was suspected to be
> > going around with baseball bats smashing people in their tents.  That
> > made it a different ball game for me.
>
> If the cops refuse to enforce the laws, the people have to.
>
> There is plenty of wilderness for people to camp in. But the bums are
> not interested in camping qua camping. Rather, they want "social
> services," access to drug-dealing centers, free food, handouts from
> governemnt agencies, and no need to work. And they think San Lorenzo
> Park is their toilet, their living room, and their place of business.
> When the bums own the public places, and the cops look away, time for
> the people to start bashing heads....
>
> The Trollbusters cleaned up the bum problem for about six months back
> when they were active. They accomplished more by knocking some heads
> and pushing bums off the bridges than all of the do-gooder, blissninny
> crap since.
>
> Busting heads of people who are stealing from us is morally righteous.
>
> Don't feed the pigeons.
>
> --Tim May

Unlike Canoza's usual trolling, Tim's comments above represent a
reasonably well thought out criticism.  Agree or disagree, this is
Usenet at its finest.

Recently someone had placed semi-anonymous 'google ratings' on the
postings here.  I didn't like that.  But I would rate Tim's posting
above very high.

I do not regard Canoza's thread 'two myths of homelessness' as
trolling.  I would also give it a high rating.

Tim May wrote:
> In article <1172454461.376750.93700@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
> <dhm_at_best_dot_com@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 25, 1:03 pm, Tim May <timc...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>>
>>> .........And yet they drift into town, find the needle
>>> exchange place, sign up for the marijuana giveaways, seek "benefits,"
>>> complain about how they are not being given shelter, and whine to
>>> liberals like Becky and Robert and Dan that they are being repressed.)
>>>
>> Don't you fall into the same trap as the other jerks.  This journalism
>> is a hobby with me.  I started into the Homeless-schtick with the
>> attitude and reading of a land use attorney.  The others all wanted to
>> be the Homeless Advocate-Representative Beegshots.  I've been
>> 'homeless' for the better part of 35 years.  Do you think that I ever
>> wanted these people to 'represent' me?  Hell no.
> 
> A strange kind of "journalism" when one ONLY forwards and reports the
> Trotskyite politics. 
> 
> Even for the typically biased "reporters" of our age, they at least
> make a token effort to analyze what is being said.
> 
> Speaking of which, you forwarded Becky's claim that people are being
> harassed because they don't do enough shopping downtown....and yet I
> reported that in more than 22 years of spending a _lot_ of time in
> downtown Santa Cruz I have not been harassed (except by bums, winoes,
> and beggars), nor have I been arrested, run out of town, ticketed, etc.
> 
> And this is without any apparent "shopping" on my part. Which means
> Becky's causal claim is shot to pieces.
> 
> So, as a self-proclaimed "journalist", did you investigate Becky's
> claim? Did you evaluate it and her/their other socialist propaganda for
> evidence of truth or falsity?
> 
> What you are, Dan, is a mouthpiece. Not a journalist, a mouthpiece. 
> 
> This is what someone who only forwards or reports one particular group
> of people's views is. A mouthpiece.
> 
>> Robert and Becky closed off their list in a way that the public could
>> not get access to what they were saying.  They've always been Usenet
>> clueless.  Do you remember my website that had original and rare
>> documents that nobody would want you to read?  Get it?  The website
>> had little to do with 'homelessness'.  It had a lot to do with
>> history.  Does that give you a clue about why I have few reservations
>> about forwarding their stuff?  Everyone, "left" and "right", will
>> accuse me of being the other.
> 
> If they wish to not be read, honor their wish.
> 
> Frankly, Norse is much more interested in stamping his feet and making
> threats to hold his breath in City Council meetings than he is in
> making any kind of _case_ for what he (apparently) wants. 
> 
> I add "apparently" because it's never clear what his "demands"
> are....building hotels for the bums, sending the word out to bums all
> across Califiornia to come and move into the hotels? Free food for
> those who don't want to work? Assigned camping spots in all of the
> city's parks, so that taxpayers will not be able to use the very parks
> their taxes have paid for? And so on. He thinks of himself as some sort
> of political theorist, but where is his plan? And who has ever
> critiqued or analyzed it?
> 
> This is why he rants on one-page screeds that cannot be analyzed in any
> meaningful way. This is why he fumes and rants at City Council
> meetings. This is why he doesn't want his "thoughts" propagated on the
> Net--he knows full well how incoherent they are.
> 
> And you, his mouthpiece, are not honoring his obvious intentions to
> keep  his words limited to his quasi-literate street people allies. 
> 
> "Yeah, what Robert said! Right on! Food, not bombs! We gotta shut that
> motherfucking bookstore DOWN! Yo, got any blow?"
> 
>> At one point I learned things from Becky like who was suspected to be
>> going around with baseball bats smashing people in their tents.  That
>> made it a different ball game for me. 
> 
> If the cops refuse to enforce the laws, the people have to.
> 
> There is plenty of wilderness for people to camp in. But the bums are
> not interested in camping qua camping. Rather, they want "social
> services," access to drug-dealing centers, free food, handouts from
> governemnt agencies, and no need to work. And they think San Lorenzo
> Park is their toilet, their living room, and their place of business.
> When the bums own the public places, and the cops look away, time for
> the people to start bashing heads....
> 
> The Trollbusters cleaned up the bum problem for about six months back
> when they were active. They accomplished more by knocking some heads
> and pushing bums off the bridges than all of the do-gooder, blissninny
> crap since.
> 
> Busting heads of people who are stealing from us is morally righteous.
> 
> Don't feed the pigeons.
> 
> 
> --Tim May

Did you just confess to a crime? Do you think that you can run around
committing murder and get away with it? We have news for you, buddy.

Morally righteous? You are a God Damned scum!