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I think this is OK for certain situations.
For example, the shelter I volunteer for has the volunteers, like myself,
fostering the animals before they find them homes. Personally, I would like
to know something about the people the cat I am fostering is going to.
As for picking up an animal from your local public shelter, ASPCA or
whatever? I don't believe they make such a fuss - and I am reasonably sure
they don't ask for proof, so it's a bit of a formality anyway.
kr
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9403C1FB85873retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
> It seems in this land of nuts and fruits that buying a pet or rescuing one
> from the animal shelter is now "adopting" a pet, and boy do they mean it.
>
> These loons have prospective owners fill out long detailed forms, asking
> such relevant things as :
>
> 1. Occupation
> 2. do you own your home?
> 3. would you mind us inspecting your home?
> 4. your pet history
> 5. for cats, have you ever declawed them?
>
> This is just a sample of the stupidity that seems to abound in the local
> Humane Societies and such enclaves of rich misplaced priorities as Helen
> Woodward Center in Fairbanks Ranch. Better a cat get old in their cages or
> put to sleep than god forbid that it should live with a poor family or get
> declawed.
>
> For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any level.
>

"kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in
news:Cvtdb.4632$Hd6.2492136@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com: 

> I think this is OK for certain situations.
> For example, the shelter I volunteer for has the volunteers, like
> myself, fostering the animals before they find them homes. Personally,
> I would like to know something about the people the cat I am fosteri\
> is going to. As for picking up an animal from your local public
> shelter, ASPCA or whatever? I don't believe they make such a fuss -
> and I am reasonably sure they don't ask for proof, so it's a bit of a
> formality anyway. kr

Who cares what you want? You aren't buying the cat. If I buy a cat and want 
to get it declawed that's what is going to happen no matter what I put on 
the stupid forms.

The morons here in San Diego act like they are a child adoption agency. 

Way misplaced priorities.

"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9403E45F63E6Fretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
> "kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in
> news:Cvtdb.4632$Hd6.2492136@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com:
>
> > I think this is OK for certain situations.
> > For example, the shelter I volunteer for has the volunteers, like
> > myself, fostering the animals before they find them homes. Personally,
> > I would like to know something about the people the cat I am fosteri\
> > is going to. As for picking up an animal from your local public
> > shelter, ASPCA or whatever? I don't believe they make such a fuss -
> > and I am reasonably sure they don't ask for proof, so it's a bit of a
> > formality anyway. kr
>
> Who cares what you want? You aren't buying the cat. If I buy a cat and
want
> to get it declawed that's what is going to happen no matter what I put on
> the stupid forms.
>
> The morons here in San Diego act like they are a child adoption agency.
>
> Way misplaced priorities.


Dave, you didn't get the cat because you failed the asshole test.

Ed

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 05:28:40 GMT, Dave Lister <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> 
wrote:
<snippage>
> If I buy a cat and want to get it declawed that's what is going to
> happen no matter what I put on the stupid forms.
<snippage>

De-clawing is amputation. The equivalent procedure on a human would
involve cutting off the tips of all the fingers at the last joint.
More info at these websites:
http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!1A!DD!A59F343A0263/zuzu22/STOPDECLAWCOM/
http://www.avar.org/avar_cat_declawing.html
 Mark Buckles
San Diego

"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any level.
>

well if you have a problem with this, then Im very glad you wont be.
there are way too many people who want a cat for reasons that are not in the
best interest of the cat, aka to go out and kill mice and squirrels ( which
harbor way too many different diseases) at the best, and at the worse to
feed to their current pets or to bate fight dogs.  I for one don't think the
screening goes far enough, but usually the questions tend to turn off the
people who wont take the best care of the cat.

and if you think that is the only screening you have to go through to get a
child, then you are more ignorant than you look.

In article <Xns9403E45F63E6Fretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6>, 
retsildivad33@hotmail.com says...
> "kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in
> news:Cvtdb.4632$Hd6.2492136@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com: 
> 
> > I think this is OK for certain situations.
> > For example, the shelter I volunteer for has the volunteers, like
> > myself, fostering the animals before they find them homes. Personally,
> > I would like to know something about the people the cat I am fosteri\
> > is going to. As for picking up an animal from your local public
> > shelter, ASPCA or whatever? I don't believe they make such a fuss -
> > and I am reasonably sure they don't ask for proof, so it's a bit of a
> > formality anyway. kr
> 
> Who cares what you want? You aren't buying the cat. If I buy a cat and want 
> to get it declawed that's what is going to happen no matter what I put on 
> the stupid forms.
> 
> The morons here in San Diego act like they are a child adoption agency. 

I've noticed that cat zealots equate cats with people.  Some of the 
posts in rec.pets.cats are very good examples of this.  It's silly and 
ignorant, and actually rather sad in a way, but that's the way it is.

In article <b7Adb.17444$oa4.16859@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, no@spam.com 
says...
> 
> "Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any level.
> >
> 
> well if you have a problem with this, then Im very glad you wont be.
> there are way too many people who want a cat for reasons that are not in the
> best interest of the cat

But killing the cat -is- in it's best interest, right?  That apparently 
how the human society feels, because they'll kill a cat before they'll 
allow somebody to adopt it.

I guess that means I can adopt a cat for the sole purpose of taking it 
out in the woods and bashing its head in with a big rock, as long as I 
promise not to have it declawed first.

On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 02:05:13 GMT, Dave Lister
<retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote:

>It seems in this land of nuts and fruits that buying a pet or rescuing one 
>from the animal shelter is now "adopting" a pet, and boy do they mean it. 
>
>These loons have prospective owners fill out long detailed forms, asking 
>such relevant things as : 
>
>1. Occupation
>2. do you own your home?
>3. would you mind us inspecting your home?
>4. your pet history
>5. for cats, have you ever declawed them?
>
>This is just a sample of the stupidity that seems to abound in the local 
>Humane Societies and such enclaves of rich misplaced priorities as Helen 
>Woodward Center in Fairbanks Ranch. Better a cat get old in their cages or 
>put to sleep than god forbid that it should live with a poor family or get 
>declawed.

	The rescue agencies that have started using adoption contracts
are simply following the lead of responsible purebred breeders, who
have been using legally enforcable sales contracts for decades now.
Using contracts lowers the rate of return, ensures better homes for
animals that the people care deeply foor, lowers the rate of
neglect/abuse cases, and in general means a better life for the animal
adopted.
	As for declawing, there are plenty of cats already in the
shelter systems who have been mutilated already.  If you must have a
cat with no toes, then adopt one who has already had this cruel
surgery done to it.
	I am sure that someone will tell you to lie -- it's not in
your best interest to do so.  Sales and adoption contracts are drawn
up to be fully legally enforcable, and breeders and rescue groups
*will* come after you.


Orchid

Orchid's Kitties: http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
Orchid's Guide: http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid

"von" <vince@the.op> wrote in message
news:MPG.19e09a53f2f009da98a4e9@news.alt.net...
> In article <b7Adb.17444$oa4.16859@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, no@spam.com
> says...
> >
> > "Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any
level.
> > >
> >
> > well if you have a problem with this, then Im very glad you wont be.
> > there are way too many people who want a cat for reasons that are not in
the
> > best interest of the cat
>
> But killing the cat -is- in it's best interest, right?  That apparently
> how the human society feels, because they'll kill a cat before they'll
> allow somebody to adopt it.
>
> I guess that means I can adopt a cat for the sole purpose of taking it
> out in the woods and bashing its head in with a big rock, as long as I
> promise not to have it declawed first.


Why not simply volunteer at a shelter. Most shelters have to make that
agonizing triage decision many times a day, and killing kittens sounds like
a job made for you. Too bad though, I doubt they'll let you use a big rock.

Ed

"Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in
news:nFudb.3021$La.2531@fed1read02: 

> Dave, you didn't get the cat because you failed the asshole test.

Good one, loon. Better that cat get gassed, right?

Mark Buckles <mark@mark.buckles.moc> wrote in
news:oprv639nmi39ut8p@news.dslextreme.com: 

> De-clawing is amputation. The equivalent procedure on a human would
> involve cutting off the tips of all the fingers at the last joint.

So what. They do just fine without it.

von <vince@the.op> wrote in
news:MPG.19e09861c4b95aa198a4e7@news.alt.net: 

> I've noticed that cat zealots equate cats with people.  Some of the 
> posts in rec.pets.cats are very good examples of this.  It's silly and
> ignorant, and actually rather sad in a way, but that's the way it is.

It is very sad, when so many human children are abused, neglected, and in 
need of help that these people have all this time for a stupid cat.

"Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in news:Q7Bdb.3128$La.321@fed1read02:

> Why not simply volunteer at a shelter. Most shelters have to make that
> agonizing triage decision many times a day, and killing kittens sounds
> like a job made for you. Too bad though, I doubt they'll let you use a
> big rock. 

And I'm going to feel bad that they gas animals that could live perfectly 
decent lives minus their claws?

Your priorities are fucked up.

neko@ascendancy.net (Orchid) wrote in
news:3f76d6a8.141599135@news.va.comcast.giganews.com: 

>      I am sure that someone will tell you to lie -- it's not in
> your best interest to do so.  Sales and adoption contracts are drawn
> up to be fully legally enforcable, and breeders and rescue groups
> *will* come after you.

Crap. If I buy a cat and decide to have it declawed I will do so no matter 
what piece of junk form they have people fill out so they feel better about 
it.

There are plenty of places to get kittens outside of the morons at the 
shelters.

In article <Xns9404579312524retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6>, 
retsildivad33@hotmail.com says...
> Mark Buckles <mark@mark.buckles.moc> wrote in
> news:oprv639nmi39ut8p@news.dslextreme.com: 
> 
> > De-clawing is amputation. The equivalent procedure on a human would
> > involve cutting off the tips of all the fingers at the last joint.
> 
> So what. They do just fine without it.

After a cat is declawed, it's just like the animal has its claws 
permanently retracted.  BFD.

pat <pat@my.head> wrote in news:MPG.19e0ef6fcdccf63b98a4ec@news.alt.net:

> In article <Xns9404579312524retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6>, 
> retsildivad33@hotmail.com says...
>> Mark Buckles <mark@mark.buckles.moc> wrote in
>> news:oprv639nmi39ut8p@news.dslextreme.com: 
>> 
>> > De-clawing is amputation. The equivalent procedure on a human would
>> > involve cutting off the tips of all the fingers at the last joint.
>> 
>> So what. They do just fine without it.
> 
> After a cat is declawed, it's just like the animal has its claws 
> permanently retracted.  BFD.

These people whining about mutilation are usually big proponents of spaying 
and neuering cats as if that wasn't a far more invasive procedure.

In article <Xns940478BC532DCretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6>, 
retsildivad33@hotmail.com says...
> pat <pat@my.head> wrote in news:MPG.19e0ef6fcdccf63b98a4ec@news.alt.net:
> 
> > In article <Xns9404579312524retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6>, 
> > retsildivad33@hotmail.com says...
> >> Mark Buckles <mark@mark.buckles.moc> wrote in
> >> news:oprv639nmi39ut8p@news.dslextreme.com: 
> >> 
> >> > De-clawing is amputation. The equivalent procedure on a human would
> >> > involve cutting off the tips of all the fingers at the last joint.
> >> 
> >> So what. They do just fine without it.
> > 
> > After a cat is declawed, it's just like the animal has its claws 
> > permanently retracted.  BFD.
> 
> These people whining about mutilation are usually big proponents of spaying 
> and neuering cats as if that wasn't a far more invasive procedure.

The people whining about mutilation are thinking that it would feel very 
odd and uncomfortable to have the ends of their fingers chopped off, not 
understanding that comparing that to a declawed cat's paw is simply not 
logical, to wit: The ends of their fingers are not retractable, but cat 
claws are kept retracted (and hence useless) most of the time; 
therefore, amputating the end of a human finger is liable to seem more 
traumatic to a person than losing a claw would seem to a cat.

/pretty sure that went waaaaaaaay over the heads of all the cat zealots

We do interviews and CHOOSE who the cats go to, that was the point, if you
would get off of your high horse and listen. If you say you are getting my
foster declawed - you don't take the cat home. Period. end of story.

"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9403E45F63E6Fretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
> "kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in
> news:Cvtdb.4632$Hd6.2492136@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com:
>
> > I think this is OK for certain situations.
> > For example, the shelter I volunteer for has the volunteers, like
> > myself, fostering the animals before they find them homes. Personally,
> > I would like to know something about the people the cat I am fosteri\
> > is going to. As for picking up an animal from your local public
> > shelter, ASPCA or whatever? I don't believe they make such a fuss -
> > and I am reasonably sure they don't ask for proof, so it's a bit of a
> > formality anyway. kr
>
> Who cares what you want? You aren't buying the cat. If I buy a cat and
want
> to get it declawed that's what is going to happen no matter what I put on
> the stupid forms.
>
> The morons here in San Diego act like they are a child adoption agency.
>
> Way misplaced priorities.

That is the point of the forms - to keep people like you from getting the
kittens there, and make you get them somewhere else.
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns940458B83EC34retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
> neko@ascendancy.net (Orchid) wrote in
> news:3f76d6a8.141599135@news.va.comcast.giganews.com:
>
> >      I am sure that someone will tell you to lie -- it's not in
> > your best interest to do so.  Sales and adoption contracts are drawn
> > up to be fully legally enforcable, and breeders and rescue groups
> > *will* come after you.
>
> Crap. If I buy a cat and decide to have it declawed I will do so no matter
> what piece of junk form they have people fill out so they feel better
about
> it.
>
> There are plenty of places to get kittens outside of the morons at the
> shelters.

"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9404576E3A32Aretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
> "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in
> news:nFudb.3021$La.2531@fed1read02:
>
> > Dave, you didn't get the cat because you failed the asshole test.
>
> Good one, loon. Better that cat get gassed, right?


Considering the alternative was life under your care; yes.

With your attitude, you should limit yourself to a pet rock.

Ed

"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9404582AE4638retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
> "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in news:Q7Bdb.3128$La.321@fed1read02:
>
> > Why not simply volunteer at a shelter. Most shelters have to make that
> > agonizing triage decision many times a day, and killing kittens sounds
> > like a job made for you. Too bad though, I doubt they'll let you use a
> > big rock.
>
> And I'm going to feel bad that they gas animals that could live perfectly
> decent lives minus their claws?
>
> Your priorities are fucked up.

You analysis is insipid, as you can't follow three rounds of a thread
without losing the point. I have never commented on declawing (which I
happen to have required for all of the cats I have owned).

Odd, in other threads, you have remained lucid for a longer time. I assume
the rejection is weighing heavily on your mind.

Ed

"kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:qnPdb.4830$Hd6.2690224@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...
> We do interviews and CHOOSE who the cats go to, that was the point, if you
> would get off of your high horse and listen. If you say you are getting my
> foster declawed - you don't take the cat home. Period. end of story.
>
> "Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9403E45F63E6Fretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
> > "kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in
> > news:Cvtdb.4632$Hd6.2492136@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com:
> >
> > > I think this is OK for certain situations.
> > > For example, the shelter I volunteer for has the volunteers, like
> > > myself, fostering the animals before they find them homes. Personally,
> > > I would like to know something about the people the cat I am fosteri\
> > > is going to. As for picking up an animal from your local public
> > > shelter, ASPCA or whatever? I don't believe they make such a fuss -
> > > and I am reasonably sure they don't ask for proof, so it's a bit of a
> > > formality anyway. kr
> >
> > Who cares what you want? You aren't buying the cat. If I buy a cat and
> want
> > to get it declawed that's what is going to happen no matter what I put
on
> > the stupid forms.
> >
> > The morons here in San Diego act like they are a child adoption agency.
> >
> > Way misplaced priorities.
>
>

Isn't Foster a beer?

Ed

"kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in
news:qnPdb.4830$Hd6.2690224@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com: 

> We do interviews and CHOOSE who the cats go to, that was the point, if
> you would get off of your high horse and listen. If you say you are
> getting my foster declawed - you don't take the cat home. Period. end
> of story. 

And I would tell you exactly what you want to hear, loon, if I cared to 
indulge your ridiculous behavior.

"kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in
news:ApPdb.4831$Hd6.2690774@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com: 

> That is the point of the forms - to keep people like you from getting
> the kittens there, and make you get them somewhere else.

Better they get gassed, right loon?

"Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in news:ONTdb.5003$La.4853@fed1read02:

>> Good one, loon. Better that cat get gassed, right?
> 
> Considering the alternative was life under your care; yes.

At least your priorities are clear, loon.You don't care about the cats, 
just about your own misguided philsophy.

Had the gonads ripped off any pets lately, loon?
 
> With your attitude, you should limit yourself to a pet rock.

Don't have to, loon. There are still rational people out there - you 
clearly missing from that camp.

"Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in
news:KVTdb.5005$La.1162@fed1read02: 

> You analysis is insipid, as you can't follow three rounds of a thread
> without losing the point. I have never commented on declawing (which I
> happen to have required for all of the cats I have owned).

The point is on your head. Declawing happens to be the primary reason these 
twits have for denying "adoption". They seem to have no problem 
"mutilating" the cats in other far more invasive ways.

They are hypocrits of the first degree.
 
> Odd, in other threads, you have remained lucid for a longer time. I
> assume the rejection is weighing heavily on your mind.

Not at all. These "charities" are free to act as stupidly as they wish, as 
I am free to act as I will. I choose to laugh at their moronic activities, 
and to point them out.

I'm not sure what benefit you derive from this, loon.

That's the only good point you made - declawing is better than gassing. But
organizations that ask all those questions are most likely no kill
organizations with people volunteering to take care of the animals. You can
always get animals to do whatever you want at the local state/county
shelter.
The bottom line is this: if you are running and organization where people
take care of the animals, a lot of these people will be a lot more hyper
than even I am about the animals. So if you want free workers... you check
out that the animals go to places where the fosters would want them to go.
if you don't like that, there are tons of places to get cats - from a
friend, hell the local meijer had a woman with free kittens the other day.
kr
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94055DF63D68Bretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
> "kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in
> news:ApPdb.4831$Hd6.2690774@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com:
>
> > That is the point of the forms - to keep people like you from getting
> > the kittens there, and make you get them somewhere else.
>
> Better they get gassed, right loon?

Because it is so hard to tell when people, particularly someone with your
attitude, are lying. Everyone else was civil in this post, and dissenting
opinions are always welcome points of discussion in any group - you have
indulged in snide and childish name calling. It only takes a moment to
remain civil, regardless of how much you disagree with someone.

"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94055DCFA47A1retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
> "kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in
> news:qnPdb.4830$Hd6.2690224@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com:
>
> > We do interviews and CHOOSE who the cats go to, that was the point, if
> > you would get off of your high horse and listen. If you say you are
> > getting my foster declawed - you don't take the cat home. Period. end
> > of story.
>
> And I would tell you exactly what you want to hear, loon, if I cared to
> indulge your ridiculous behavior.

"kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in
news:yr_db.4902$Hd6.2774019@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com: 

> That's the only good point you made - declawing is better than
> gassing. But organizations that ask all those questions are most
> likely no kill organizations with people volunteering to take care of
> the animals. You can always get animals to do whatever you want at the
> local state/county shelter.
> The bottom line is this: if you are running and organization where
> people take care of the animals, a lot of these people will be a lot
> more hyper than even I am about the animals. So if you want free
> workers... you check out that the animals go to places where the
> fosters would want them to go. if you don't like that, there are tons
> of places to get cats - from a friend, hell the local meijer had a
> woman with free kittens the other day. kr

I hear you - it's their sanctimonious attitude about. Rather than state up 
front that they will not give cats to people who declaw they have you fill 
out a form with the question (among many other nosy things) so they can 
lecture about it. They can keep and pay for all the cats they want in that 
regard, but they won't be getting any donations from me to support it.

"kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in news:Zt_db.4904$Hd6.2774326
@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com:

> Because it is so hard to tell when people, particularly someone with your
> attitude, are lying. Everyone else was civil in this post, and dissenting
> opinions are always welcome points of discussion in any group - you have
> indulged in snide and childish name calling. It only takes a moment to
> remain civil, regardless of how much you disagree with someone.

Of course it is hard to tell. That's why asking the question is so 
ridiculous. If I really wanted a particular cat, I'd just lie to you.
 
As it stands, the only thing I'd cut off is the nose of the nosies with the 
attitude that they know best.
  

Actually, I was indulging in a bit of sarcasm myself. It's generally very
difficult to lie effectively - ask any police officer, they deal with it
every day.
KR
"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9405770D7FCC5retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
> "kmonk" <kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net> wrote in news:Zt_db.4904$Hd6.2774326
> @newssvr28.news.prodigy.com:
>
> > Because it is so hard to tell when people, particularly someone with
your
> > attitude, are lying. Everyone else was civil in this post, and
dissenting
> > opinions are always welcome points of discussion in any group - you have
> > indulged in snide and childish name calling. It only takes a moment to
> > remain civil, regardless of how much you disagree with someone.
>
> Of course it is hard to tell. That's why asking the question is so
> ridiculous. If I really wanted a particular cat, I'd just lie to you.
>
> As it stands, the only thing I'd cut off is the nose of the nosies with
the
> attitude that they know best.
>

In article <qnPdb.4830$Hd6.2690224@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, 
kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net says...
> We do interviews and CHOOSE who the cats go to, that was the point, if you
> would get off of your high horse and listen. If you say you are getting my
> foster declawed - you don't take the cat home. Period. end of story.

Yeah, so I'll just tell you that I don't intend to get the fucker 
declawed, and then I'll drag it right down to the vet for surgery.  Try 
and stop me.

OK.
Look, I can tell you are lying.
You get a cat elsewhere.
Problem solved.
There are tons of places to get cats that no one cares about... if you are
basically adopting someone's pet, then the person you are adopting from is
reasonable in making sure the care is similar to the care they want the pet
receiving. No one is making you use these services - if you don't like them,
go to a normal shelter where they don't care.

"throm" <m@tao.pit> wrote in message
news:MPG.19e2665931fb10f298a4f8@news.alt.net...
> In article <qnPdb.4830$Hd6.2690224@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>,
> kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net says...
> > We do interviews and CHOOSE who the cats go to, that was the point, if
you
> > would get off of your high horse and listen. If you say you are getting
my
> > foster declawed - you don't take the cat home. Period. end of story.
>
> Yeah, so I'll just tell you that I don't intend to get the fucker
> declawed, and then I'll drag it right down to the vet for surgery.  Try
> and stop me.

In article <x11eb.4932$Hd6.2803016@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, 
kmonk@nospam.ameritech.net says...
> OK.
> Look, I can tell you are lying.
> You get a cat elsewhere.

<knock, knock>  Here's your summons, Defendant Boy.  You're being sued.

> Problem solved. 

New problem (for you) started.

Yea and to top that, any woman in this nation can have a blade shoved up her
vaginia and into the head of her
8 1/2 termed baby (zygot, fetus), suck its brains out then rip it out of her
womb and tossed into the garbage pale. Then she walks off, no make that
skips off smiling at her freedom to choose.

Wonderful ain't it?

"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9403C1FB85873retsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
> It seems in this land of nuts and fruits that buying a pet or rescuing one
> from the animal shelter is now "adopting" a pet, and boy do they mean it.
>
> These loons have prospective owners fill out long detailed forms, asking
> such relevant things as :
>
> 1. Occupation
> 2. do you own your home?
> 3. would you mind us inspecting your home?
> 4. your pet history
> 5. for cats, have you ever declawed them?
>
> This is just a sample of the stupidity that seems to abound in the local
> Humane Societies and such enclaves of rich misplaced priorities as Helen
> Woodward Center in Fairbanks Ranch. Better a cat get old in their cages or
> put to sleep than god forbid that it should live with a poor family or get
> declawed.
>
> For myself, I will no longer donate to the Humane Society at any level.
>

"Dave Lister" <retsildivad33@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94055FDA183Cretsildivad33hotmail@68.6.19.6...
> "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in
> news:KVTdb.5005$La.1162@fed1read02:
>
> > You analysis is insipid, as you can't follow three rounds of a thread
> > without losing the point. I have never commented on declawing (which I
> > happen to have required for all of the cats I have owned).
>
> The point is on your head. Declawing happens to be the primary reason
these
> twits have for denying "adoption". They seem to have no problem
> "mutilating" the cats in other far more invasive ways.
>
> They are hypocrits of the first degree.
>
> > Odd, in other threads, you have remained lucid for a longer time. I
> > assume the rejection is weighing heavily on your mind.
>
> Not at all. These "charities" are free to act as stupidly as they wish, as
> I am free to act as I will. I choose to laugh at their moronic activities,
> and to point them out.
>
> I'm not sure what benefit you derive from this, loon.


Several times a month, primarily for comic relief, I enjoy conversing with a
hare-brain who mistakes me for some kind of a duck. Thank you, Mister
Quackers!

Ed

"Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in
news:q4veb.5222$La.2349@fed1read02: 

> Several times a month, primarily for comic relief, I enjoy conversing
> with a hare-brain who mistakes me for some kind of a duck. Thank you,
> Mister Quackers!

You walk like a duck, quack like a duck, and lay eggs like a duck.......

"Mark Buckles" <mark@mark.buckles.moc> wrote in message
news:oprv639nmi39ut8p@news.dslextreme.com...
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 05:28:40 GMT, Dave Lister <retsildivad33@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> <snippage>
> > If I buy a cat and want to get it declawed that's what is going to
> > happen no matter what I put on the stupid forms.
> <snippage>
>
> De-clawing is amputation. The equivalent procedure on a human would
> involve cutting off the tips of all the fingers at the last joint.
> More info at these websites:
> http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!1A!DD!A59F343A0263/zuzu22/STOPDECLAWCOM/
> http://www.avar.org/avar_cat_declawing.html
>  Mark Buckles
> San Diego

I would consider de-clawing to be more like removing a humans nails,
wouldn't it be?
Would you still be able to use your fingers? I think so. If it is going to
be strictly
an indoor cat and it's ripping your furniture apart, why not?

Actually, what the hell is the function of nails for humans anyways? I
guess, to
better pick one's nose with????????

PS; I have 3 cats and they all have their claws. They have never attacked
the
furniture. KOW.

ET

> I would consider de-clawing to be more like removing a humans nails,
> wouldn't it be?

No... it is not.

Removing your nails (pull them off), and you'll grow them back in a few
weeks. Declawing means the cat will never grow claws again.

So if you "declaw" a human, it will involve removing the last part of all
the fingers.

> Would you still be able to use your fingers? I think so. If it is going to
> be strictly
> an indoor cat and it's ripping your furniture apart, why not?

Because it's a rather horrible surgery... and it's a pet. You're supposed to
love it...


KC

In article <bmdhg0$l94oj$1@ID-200690.news.uni-berlin.de>, 
sterilize.the.spammers@killkillkill.com says...
> > I would consider de-clawing to be more like removing a humans nails,
> > wouldn't it be?
> 
> No... it is not.
> 
> Removing your nails (pull them off), and you'll grow them back in a few
> weeks. Declawing means the cat will never grow claws again.
> 
> So if you "declaw" a human, it will involve removing the last part of all
> the fingers.

No.  If you have your fingernails completely removed they will not grow 
back.  They don't have to chop off the end of your fingers to accomplish 
this.  They simply have to remove what's called the "germinal matrix" 
which is the thing that connects your fingernail to your finger.

> > Would you still be able to use your fingers? I think so. If it is going to
> > be strictly
> > an indoor cat and it's ripping your furniture apart, why not?
> 
> Because it's a rather horrible surgery... and it's a pet. You're supposed to
> love it...

We all love our cats and help them get more out of life by having their 
sex organs torn out by some knife-wielding psychopath who calls himself 
a "veterinarian" simply because he went to night school and learned how 
to legally chop up animals.  That's pretty horrible.  Declawing them 
wouldn't be any worse.

In article <Ypqib.8069$x97.3872@clgrps13>, The_Real_ET@hotmail.com 
says...
> I would consider de-clawing to be more like removing a humans nails,
> wouldn't it be?
> Would you still be able to use your fingers? I think so.

There is no way to compare declawing a cat to removing a human's 
fingernails or any other part of a human's fingers, because a cat's paws 
and a human's hands are totally different.

If you want to make comparisons between those things, then you need to 
make fantastic leaps of imagination, like this:  Imagine that the very 
end of your finger is nothing but solid nail, on a sort of hinge so you 
can swing it forward and backward as needed.  Most of the time you keep 
it back, where it is unused and out of the way, but you swing it forward 
to scratch things.  Now you have the equivalent of cat claws.  Now 
imagine that you lose the ability to swing the claws forward; they are 
permanently swept back.  Everything is exactly the same as it ever was, 
except that you cannot scratch things.  Now you are the equivalent of a 
declawed cat.

> If it is going to
> be strictly
> an indoor cat and it's ripping your furniture apart, why not?

Indeed.

> We all love our cats and help them get more out of life by having their
> sex organs torn out by some knife-wielding psychopath who calls himself
> a "veterinarian" simply because he went to night school and learned how
> to legally chop up animals.  That's pretty horrible.  Declawing them
> wouldn't be any worse.


Hey, what vet school is that....last time I checked it was pretty tough to
get into Vet School.
Although Knife-wielding psychopath school is pretty much a shoo-inn :)