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nabil m el-khodari (fits@cyber1.servtech.com) wrote:
: Proof is provided after the article!! 
: -------------------------------------

Proof? Overproof (Jamaican?), perhaps, might explain it.


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Chris F.A. Johnson (bq933@torfree.net) wrote:
: nabil m el-khodari (fits@cyber1.servtech.com) wrote:
: : Proof is provided after the article!! 
: : -------------------------------------

: Proof? Overproof (Jamaican?), perhaps, might explain it.

<sigh>  Is there anyone out there who feels up to the challenge of 
explaining to a paranoid middle-aged novice user what the advantage of 
linking to multiple off-site name servers is?  And how this is actually a 
donation of services _to_ TFN rather than anything stolen from it?  My 
patience is about evaporated dealing with this luddite...

Ciao, Ken Smith <*>
cg591@torfree.net
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Kenneth Edward Smith (cg591@torfree.net) wrote:
: Actually, I would add a caveat to David Jones' post about the advantages 
: of suing you; one form of relief which could be of significant benefit to 
: CSAS and the Internet community as a whole might be to get an injunction 
: against your continued tirades.  I am leaning towards thinking it would 
: be worth the expense.  Again, I'm dead serious here.  You're becoming one 
: of the major dangers to TFN's continued existence.

A while back I discussed a number of options with legal council regarding
Nabil. 

If we went after Nabil for libel, we would almost certainly win, but so
what, the TFN would be out legal costs, and as we gather Nabil has almost
no assets, well, we would collect almost nothing (ie: probably not even
enough to cover costs). 

Another option would be to get a restraining order, but I am told that
such orders are VERY hard to obtain. In the view of the lawyer I was
speaking to was the high amount of effort required to try and get a
restraining order is not worth it, given the low chance of actually
getting such an order. 

In other words going after Nabil at this point in time would be a waste of
TFN volenteer time, and TFN money. Still, in an odd sense I do hope Nabil
does go to the media with his brain dead stories (TV/radio stations, and
newspapers have assets :-) . Alternately they could do a story on the
shockingly bad state of mental health care in this Province, and how some
basket cases are using computers unattended :-) ). 

Put another way, unless Nabil does something TOTALLY COMPLETELY INSANE 
(as opposed to his current more than slightly nuts), it would appear 
that Nabil is safe from legal action. Still, the above notes should do 
nothing to stop all of us from telling Nabil how he keeps acting like 
a total mindless jerk (and other less than wonderful things).


Colin McGregor
President
Toronto Free-Net.

Colin McGregor (aa005@torfree.net) wrote:
: Kenneth Edward Smith (cg591@torfree.net) wrote:
: : Actually, I would add a caveat to David Jones' post about the advantages 
: : of suing you; one form of relief which could be of significant benefit to 
: : CSAS and the Internet community as a whole might be to get an injunction 
: : against your continued tirades.  I am leaning towards thinking it would 
: : be worth the expense.  Again, I'm dead serious here.  You're becoming one 
: : of the major dangers to TFN's continued existence.

: A while back I discussed a number of options with legal council regarding
: Nabil. 

Sound practice.  I know a bit of law, but a little learning can be a 
dangerous thing...

: If we went after Nabil for libel, we would almost certainly win, but so
: what, the TFN would be out legal costs, and as we gather Nabil has almost
: no assets, well, we would collect almost nothing (ie: probably not even
: enough to cover costs). 

True.  (Although maybe enough to teach Nabil a little restraint.)

: Another option would be to get a restraining order, but I am told that
: such orders are VERY hard to obtain. In the view of the lawyer I was
: speaking to was the high amount of effort required to try and get a
: restraining order is not worth it, given the low chance of actually
: getting such an order. 

I don't know how much you told this lawyer about the particulars of the 
situation, but it is true that a restraining order is relatively 
difficult to get (i.e., costly).  But we could take up a collection 
rather than taking it directly from TFN funds.  Heck, the way Nabil's 
going you might get more donations for _that_ than we are for TFN itself...

: In other words going after Nabil at this point in time would be a waste of
: TFN volenteer time, and TFN money. Still, in an odd sense I do hope Nabil
: does go to the media with his brain dead stories (TV/radio stations, and
: newspapers have assets :-) . Alternately they could do a story on the
: shockingly bad state of mental health care in this Province, and how some
: basket cases are using computers unattended :-) ). 

Given the competence of the media in dealing with issues generally, I 
wonder if it's wise to rely on them to see where the sense is.  How many 
reporters fell for Baptista as an "expert?"  But we could hope ;-)

: Put another way, unless Nabil does something TOTALLY COMPLETELY INSANE 
: (as opposed to his current more than slightly nuts), it would appear 
: that Nabil is safe from legal action. Still, the above notes should do 
: nothing to stop all of us from telling Nabil how he keeps acting like 
: a total mindless jerk (and other less than wonderful things).

Probably better if other members do this rather than board members, or 
failing that the board members should be circumspect.  Points raised 
elsewhere about the TFN "management" attacking members have some merit.  
(BTW, Dmytri should be commended for his recent display of greater 
restraint.)

Ciao, Ken Smith <*>
cg591@torfree.net
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Well, we can all settle for a small claims court!!! Would you like that? 
I certainly appreciate it.

Another thing is that my attack is on CSAS, not the TFN. So what TFN has 
to do with this? I certainly do not want to harm the TFN, just whoever is 
really in charge of the sorry state of affairs that the TFN is going through.

If the board is not accepting the responsibility of investigating and 
taking action to verify my claims and assert its authority (after all the 
board is supposedly to be the one that is accountable) and clarify why 
such fundamental decisions were not passed by the board before 
implementation (including Bill Chow's remark about blocking e-mail sites 
such as hot.mail that have an anti-spam policy) of say changes in 
internic registration, why Bruce Becker is using the TFN name servers for 
'business sites' like the lst.com, etc, etc.

I have done my duty as a TFN member. Now that I posted these 'claims' to 
the newsgroups, in addition to doing my duty as a citizen by informing 
the authorities - whether they take it seriously or not is up to them and 
for time to prove - I also have put you in the corner of being 
publicly-informed.

You see, this is my strategy. You (and other board members) do not have 
the alibi of 'not knowing'. 

I know this may be realized very soon by all board members and frankly I 
am expecting some of them would have to resign, which is a good thing as 
actually a new elections and a new TFN president, a new functioning 
Excutive Committee (please remember that there is no posts in the 
excutive director area about the functioning of the TFN since this board 
took power.

The excuse that you are volunteers and do not have the time does not hold 
any longer, as you knew that before nominating yourself to the board. 
When you voluinteer to do something, you better do it. 

Besides, all of the previous boards were volunteers too and did a pretty 
good job.

So shut up or put up Colin McGregor. You will be remembered in the 
history of the community network as the man who could have done something 
that could have saved the TFN but chose not to.

I am not your problem, so get focused on your duty. Bruce Becker offering 
his 'free' services to the TFCN is no justification to let him has his 
way with the TFN.

I shall ask you a direct question as the president of TFCN (not TFN), 
where is the TFCN server is located and what is that place that has 100 
lines that Bruce said he has for that purpose?

If you would like to link this to my previous post about 'How many lines 
does the TFN has?", it is up to you.

Sincerely,

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Nabil M. El-Khdari          | Community networking is not an aim in itself,
TFN Member                  | but a means to an end.. The end being community
TFN Information Provider    | revitalization, empowerment and development.
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