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Matthew William Damick wrote in message <6mo123
>Provided you know that person is unthinking, sure.  Does it occur to
you
>that the person who seeks 'refuge' in tradition might, just maybe,
have
>come to the conclusion that the tradition really is the best option
for
>him?
>
>For me, before I propsed to my fiancee, I decided that I needed to
>approach her father first and ask him for his permission and
blessing.
>Now I'm 24 and she' not to far off 21, so neither of us are legally
>constrained to seek his permission.

Many folks have lost the concept that while a particular tradition
might mean little to YOU, it may mean a lot to another person.  I
applaud your decision to honor something that took nothing "away" from
you or your fianc�e, but added a lot to her father's sense of right
and wrong.

Tom Gauldin, Raleigh NC
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The Summerland, where the sun doth shine,
Where the weak grow strong, and the strong grow great,
Here's to Downhome, the Old North State.

In article <6mo123$i8l$4@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu>, mwdamick@unity.ncsu.edu
(Matthew William Damick) wrote:

  :Andy Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) wrote: 
  :
  :: In article <358ede29.0@news9.kcdata.com>, "joseph cerminaro"
  :: <cerminar@wnclink.com> wrote:
  ::  
  :: : rejecting tradition simply because it is tradition is like an 
  :: : adolescent who wont listen to a good idea simply because it comes 
  :: : from his parents. 
  ::   
  :: Acceptance of tradition simply because it's tradition is the refuge of
  :: someone who prefers blind acceptance of their parents' teachings 
  :: to actual thought.
  :
  :Provided you know that person is unthinking, sure.  Does it occur to you 
  :that the person who seeks 'refuge' in tradition might, just maybe, have 
  :come to the conclusion that the tradition really is the best option for 
  :him?

Does it occur to you that someone who rejects tradition might, just maybe,
have come to the conclusion that the tradition really is not the best
option for him?

Read the above exchange again -- I was making the point that mindless
tradition and mindless rebellion share the quality of being mindless. You
criticism of my post applies equally to the post to which I was
responding.
-- 
 "When I split an infinitive, God damn it, I split it so it stays split."
                                                     -- Raymond Chandler
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Thomas Gauldin wrote in message <6mqvqa$ee1$1@camel29.mindspring.com>...

>I certainly agree with this.  There are circumstances where a
>strong-minded woman may marry a weak-minded or ineffective man.

Yeah?  Well, she will frustrated, and is making the worst move of her life.

>To protect the family, it may be necessary for her to take the reins.
>Likewise, if there is an illness or accident that prevents the husband
>from using his leadership right in the family, it is good to have a
>strong-minded, intelligent and educated wife as his backup.


And so it is expected, even if she bears his name.   Let's see a show
of hands.  How many guys out there want to marry a incapable woman?

I read the thread, and just have to say: BULLSHIT!!  It's pretty simple.  If
a
couple have to go to general quarters over the wife changing her name, then
they both had better look real close at the relationship.  I can understand
where,
in some cases, legalities make the use of a maiden name the smart way to go.

As for the rest of it, hey:  If the gal does not want to take his name, then
she
should not  marry him.  If she does not love, trust, and put her faith in
the guy
(if all of this is true, the name thing will be null and void), then find
another
man that makes the issue null and void.

Steve DeGroof wrote:

> "Thomas Gauldin" <scoundrl@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> :I certainly agree with this.  There are circumstances where a
> :strong-minded woman may marry a weak-minded or ineffective man.  To
> :protect the family, it may be necessary for her to take the reins.
> :Likewise, if there is an illness or accident that prevents the husband
> :from using his leadership right in the family, it is good to have a
> :strong-minded, intelligent and educated wife as his backup.
> :
> Y'know, I bet there are a lot of people here who wish Tom's wife would
> post her opinions once in a while. It'd be interesting to see what she
> has to say about, for example, weak-minded or ineffective men.  7:^)
>
> SD

Are you sure Tom didn't write the above while his wife was standing behind
him with what could be a lethal weapon? :)

Andy Walton wrote in message ...
>
>Does it occur to you that someone who rejects tradition might, just
maybe,
>have come to the conclusion that the tradition really is not the best
>option for him?
>
>Read the above exchange again -- I was making the point that mindless
>tradition and mindless rebellion share the quality of being mindless.
You
>criticism of my post applies equally to the post to which I was
>responding.
>--


I certainly agree with this.  There are circumstances where a
strong-minded woman may marry a weak-minded or ineffective man.  To
protect the family, it may be necessary for her to take the reins.
Likewise, if there is an illness or accident that prevents the husband
from using his leadership right in the family, it is good to have a
strong-minded, intelligent and educated wife as his backup.

Tom Gauldin, Raleigh NC
-NetMeeting   ils.four11.com,   Live Birdfeeder Action
ICQ 7022136     fax (919) 676-1404
ftp://ftp.mindspring.com/pub/users/scoundrl/home.htm
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Here's to the land of the Longleaf Pine,
The Summerland, where the sun doth shine,
Where the weak grow strong, and the strong grow great,
Here's to Downhome, the Old North State.