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"Irritated" <jesus.im@pissed-off.com> wrote in message
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> I spent some time with a group of overseas visitors the last couple of
> days they are from Prague and have been touring Australia for 6
> months. They tell me that after staying in Perth for the past eight
> weeks they would never come back here again. When I asked them why I
> opened Pandora's box, wow at first I thought they were joking. They
> said that of all the places they have been to and it seems they have
> travelled extensively, they said Perth had the most narrow minded and
> bigoted people they also said that they felt there was a lot of
> aggressive people here more than Sydney even.
> I laughed at the last comment and I rang one of my mates in Sydney to
> share the joke with him, much to my surprise he said he agreed Perth
> was the most aggressive city? WTF I said you must be joking but he
> insisted that he felt there was something wrong here with the way we
> think, every man for himself and F** the next guy type thing.
>
> Both my mate from Sydney and the people from Prague said the same
> thing almost word for word, that we seem to take delight in tearing
> others down like its our local sport or something. My mate from Sydney
> lived in Perth for five years and he said that he thought it was a
> lovely place but he said he felt people in Perth confuse screwing
> someone with getting ahead as if one goes with the other.
>
> Now when I got of the phone man was I pissed off how could anybody get
> that idea, after stewing on it overnight what bugs me is maybe they
> have a point?

People often form opinions based on their own experience.

Your survey sample of 4 does not seem to be enough to
draw statistically valid conclusions.

What you demonstrate is the 'cultural cringe', the observed
need for many Australians to immediately ask foreign visitors
'What do you think?"  "How do you like Australia?"

More confident cultures are less concerned.

Irritated wrote:
> I spent some time with a group of overseas visitors the last couple of
> days they are from Prague and have been touring Australia for 6
> months. They tell me that after staying in Perth for the past eight
> weeks they would never come back here again. When I asked them why I
> opened Pandora's box, wow at first I thought they were joking. They
> said that of all the places they have been to and it seems they have
> travelled extensively, they said Perth had the most narrow minded and
> bigoted people they also said that they felt there was a lot of
> aggressive people here more than Sydney even.
> I laughed at the last comment and I rang one of my mates in Sydney to
> share the joke with him, much to my surprise he said he agreed Perth
> was the most aggressive city? WTF I said you must be joking but he
> insisted that he felt there was something wrong here with the way we
> think, every man for himself and F** the next guy type thing.
> 
> Both my mate from Sydney and the people from Prague said the same
> thing almost word for word, that we seem to take delight in tearing
> others down like its our local sport or something. My mate from Sydney
> lived in Perth for five years and he said that he thought it was a
> lovely place but he said he felt people in Perth confuse screwing
> someone with getting ahead as if one goes with the other.
> 
> Now when I got of the phone man was I pissed off how could anybody get
> that idea, after stewing on it overnight what bugs me is maybe they
> have a point?

I think they have a point.

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In article <cc8b1a11.0303092122.2129bbeb@posting.google.com>, Irritated
<jesus.im@pissed-off.com> wrote:

> I spent some time with a group of overseas visitors the last couple of
> days they are from Prague and have been touring Australia for 6
> months. They tell me that after staying in Perth for the past eight
> weeks they would never come back here again. When I asked them why I
> opened Pandora's box, wow at first I thought they were joking. They
> said that of all the places they have been to and it seems they have
> travelled extensively, they said Perth had the most narrow minded and
> bigoted people they also said that they felt there was a lot of
> aggressive people here more than Sydney even.
> I laughed at the last comment and I rang one of my mates in Sydney to
> share the joke with him, much to my surprise he said he agreed Perth
> was the most aggressive city? WTF I said you must be joking but he
> insisted that he felt there was something wrong here with the way we
> think, every man for himself and F** the next guy type thing.
> 
> Both my mate from Sydney and the people from Prague said the same
> thing almost word for word, that we seem to take delight in tearing
> others down like its our local sport or something. My mate from Sydney
> lived in Perth for five years and he said that he thought it was a
> lovely place but he said he felt people in Perth confuse screwing
> someone with getting ahead as if one goes with the other.
> 
> Now when I got of the phone man was I pissed off how could anybody get
> that idea, after stewing on it overnight what bugs me is maybe they
> have a point?

I, like many people in Sydney, grew up with the notion of Perth being
backward...oh, and that Queenslanders are mad too...

"Irritated" <jesus.im@pissed-off.com> wrote in message
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> Now when I got of the phone man was I pissed off how could anybody get
> that idea, after stewing on it overnight what bugs me is maybe they
> have a point?

I grew up in Canada, and migrated to Perth about 12 years ago. Some things I
found "different" about Perth, compared to where I come from:

Racial Predjudice- I am sure it exists everywhere, and probably to more or
less the same extent. What I found different about it in Perth is people's
willingness to say exactly how they felt. Trash talking of other
races/cultures that I noticed was not confined to any one group. So called
"ethnics" were/are just as happy to but the boot in to other ethnic groups.
Your experiences may be different.

Turning the streetlights off after midnight (I think they're kept on now)

Going to work for a 6 am start, and seeing other traffic on the road.

We still don't have Sunday trading. I don't know if this is a good thing or
a bad thing.

At the time I left a city of 600,000, and moved to a city of over a
million(Perth), yet the overall pace of life seemed to be a lot less hurried
in Perth.

Last, even though the world is becoming a smaller place, Perth is still a
long ways away from anywhere else of comparable size. This has to affect the
way that people who live here think of themselves.

"Irritated" <jesus.im@pissed-off.com> wrote in message
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> I spent some time with a group of overseas visitors the last couple of
> days they are from Prague and have been touring Australia for 6
> months. They tell me that after staying in Perth for the past eight
> weeks they would never come back here again. When I asked them why I
> opened Pandora's box, wow at first I thought they were joking. They
> said that of all the places they have been to and it seems they have
> travelled extensively, they said Perth had the most narrow minded and
> bigoted people they also said that they felt there was a lot of
> aggressive people here more than Sydney even.
> I laughed at the last comment and I rang one of my mates in Sydney to
> share the joke with him, much to my surprise he said he agreed Perth
> was the most aggressive city?

Obviously your "mate" in Sydney hasn't lived in the real world or drank
in the pubs/night-clubs and hasn't experienced first hand the Lebos ,
Maoris , Solomon Islanders , not to mention the Vietnamese /Muslim gangs
or other street gangs.

I would rather live in Perth than in Sydney , it's cleaner and Safer.


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"Collateral Damage" wrote in <3e6c2906@news.comindico.com.au>:
> "Irritated" wrote:
> >
> > I spent some time with a group of overseas visitors the last couple of
> > days they are from Prague and have been touring Australia for 6
> > months. They tell me that after staying in Perth for the past eight
> > weeks they would never come back here again. When I asked them why I
> > opened Pandora's box, wow at first I thought they were joking. They
> > said that of all the places they have been to and it seems they have
> > travelled extensively, they said Perth had the most narrow minded and
> > bigoted people they also said that they felt there was a lot of
> > aggressive people here more than Sydney even.
> >
> > I laughed at the last comment and I rang one of my mates in Sydney to
> > share the joke with him, much to my surprise he said he agreed Perth
> > was the most aggressive city? WTF I said you must be joking but he
> > insisted that he felt there was something wrong here with the way we
> > think, every man for himself and F** the next guy type thing.
> >
> > Both my mate from Sydney and the people from Prague said the same
> > thing almost word for word, that we seem to take delight in tearing
> > others down like its our local sport or something. My mate from Sydney
> > lived in Perth for five years and he said that he thought it was a
> > lovely place but he said he felt people in Perth confuse screwing
> > someone with getting ahead as if one goes with the other.
> >
> > Now when I got of the phone man was I pissed off how could anybody get
> > that idea, after stewing on it overnight what bugs me is maybe they
> > have a point?
>
> People often form opinions based on their own experience.
>
> Your survey sample of 4 does not seem to be enough to
> draw statistically valid conclusions.
>
> What you demonstrate is the 'cultural cringe', the observed
> need for many Australians to immediately ask foreign visitors
> 'What do you think?"  "How do you like Australia?"

No. What he demonstrates is a willingness to listen to other people's
opinions even when he doesn't ask for them.

Less gullible people than you don't blindly accept the establishment
and media propaganda aimed at blaming us for their cultural cringe.

It's they who cringe, because the international (and domestic) image
of Australia is of a working class culture (True Blue), and they can't
stand that.

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"Sandgroper" <steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote in message news:3e6c8982$0$18403@echo-01.iinet.net.au...
> 
> Obviously your "mate" in Sydney hasn't lived in the real world or drank
> in the pubs/night-clubs and hasn't experienced first hand the Lebos ,
> Maoris , Solomon Islanders , not to mention the Vietnamese /Muslim gangs
> or other street gangs.

I think I am beginning to see what they are on about.

"Irritated" <jesus.im@pissed-off.com> wrote in message
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> "Sandgroper" <steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> >
> > Obviously your "mate" in Sydney hasn't lived in the real world or
drank
> > in the pubs/night-clubs and hasn't experienced first hand the Lebos
,
> > Maoris , Solomon Islanders , not to mention the Vietnamese /Muslim
gangs
> > or other street gangs.
>
> I think I am beginning to see what they are on about.

I doubt it , as you have seem to have lived a sheltered life , there are
a lot worse places in Australia other than Perth for aggressive people.

If you have not experienced the street life of Sydney , Melbourne ,
Brisbane or Perth , then you don't know anything.

From my experience , I would rather live in Perth , it is safer and
there are less gangs roaming the streets.
Also walking into a pub / night-club in Sydney by yourself is really a
dangerous thing to do , chances are that 80% of the time you would end
up in a fight or possibly get mugged.

Perth is still a small country town underneath everything and doesn't
have all the problems of a big city like Sydney  or Melbourne.



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"Sandgroper" <steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote in message news:3e6d710b$0$19704@echo-01.iinet.net.au...

> > I think I am beginning to see what they are on about.
> 
> I doubt it , as you have seem to have lived a sheltered life , there ................

One other criticism offered was that for a place with so little
experience of the outside world we think we know it all.

I hate to admit this because it tars me with the same brush but they
are right you have epitomised exactly what they were on about. Today
for the first time I sat back and really listened to how people talk
and think here there are racial or prejudiced undertones in nearly
every conversation, delight in the misfortune of others and a undertow
of aggression that is never far away. I guess it is much easier to see
it as an outsider looking in than it is looking from the inside.
Ill be trying a bit harder from today onwards because as much as I
hate to say it I can see it in myself as well :-(

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Dont compare melbourne with sydney, cos they are nothing alike.=20
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Lebos
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  >
  > I think I am beginning to see what they are on about.

  I doubt it , as you have seem to have lived a sheltered life , there =
are
  a lot worse places in Australia other than Perth for aggressive =
people.

  If you have not experienced the street life of Sydney , Melbourne ,
  Brisbane or Perth , then you don't know anything.

  From my experience , I would rather live in Perth , it is safer and
  there are less gangs roaming the streets.
  Also walking into a pub / night-club in Sydney by yourself is really a
  dangerous thing to do , chances are that 80% of the time you would end
  up in a fight or possibly get mugged.

  Perth is still a small country town underneath everything and doesn't
  have all the problems of a big city like Sydney  or Melbourne.



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" AussieBillaBong" <AussieBillaBong@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Dont compare melbourne with sydney, cos they are nothing alike.

Yep , you are certainly right on that , and thanks god for that , there
are too many snobs and wowsers in Melbourne.
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i dont reckon so.=20

SA is the snobby bunch.=20
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  Dont compare melbourne with sydney, cos they are nothing alike.

  Yep , you are certainly right on that , and thanks god for that , =
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  are too many snobs and wowsers in Melbourne.
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" AussieBillaBong" <AussieBillaBong@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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i dont reckon so.

SA is the snobby bunch.

South Aussies are just outright weird , must be because of the drinking
water and the crap beer.
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> South Aussies are just outright weird , must be because of the drinking
> water and the crap beer.

Actually, the drinking water comes from NSW :-)  Crap beer?  Agreed, West
End and Southwark are akin to cat's piss, but Coopers Pale Ale is a lovely
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In article <slrnb6p2s8.4jd.nenosed@arthur.valhalla.oz>, 
nenosed@apex.met.au wrote:

> "Collateral Damage" wrote in <3e6c2906@news.comindico.com.au>:
> > "Irritated" wrote:
> > >
> > > I spent some time with a group of overseas visitors the last couple of
> > > days they are from Prague and have been touring Australia for 6
> > > months. They tell me that after staying in Perth for the past eight
> > > weeks they would never come back here again. When I asked them why I
> > > opened Pandora's box, wow at first I thought they were joking. They
> > > said that of all the places they have been to and it seems they have
> > > travelled extensively, they said Perth had the most narrow minded and
> > > bigoted people they also said that they felt there was a lot of
> > > aggressive people here more than Sydney even.
> > >
> > > I laughed at the last comment and I rang one of my mates in Sydney to
> > > share the joke with him, much to my surprise he said he agreed Perth
> > > was the most aggressive city? WTF I said you must be joking but he
> > > insisted that he felt there was something wrong here with the way we
> > > think, every man for himself and F** the next guy type thing.
> > >
> > > Both my mate from Sydney and the people from Prague said the same
> > > thing almost word for word, that we seem to take delight in tearing
> > > others down like its our local sport or something. My mate from Sydney
> > > lived in Perth for five years and he said that he thought it was a
> > > lovely place but he said he felt people in Perth confuse screwing
> > > someone with getting ahead as if one goes with the other.
> > >
> > > Now when I got of the phone man was I pissed off how could anybody get
> > > that idea, after stewing on it overnight what bugs me is maybe they
> > > have a point?
> >
> > People often form opinions based on their own experience.
> >
> > Your survey sample of 4 does not seem to be enough to
> > draw statistically valid conclusions.
> >
> > What you demonstrate is the 'cultural cringe', the observed
> > need for many Australians to immediately ask foreign visitors
> > 'What do you think?"  "How do you like Australia?"
> 
> No. What he demonstrates is a willingness to listen to other people's
> opinions even when he doesn't ask for them.
> 
> Less gullible people than you don't blindly accept the establishment
> and media propaganda aimed at blaming us for their cultural cringe.
> 
> It's they who cringe, because the international (and domestic) image
> of Australia is of a working class culture (True Blue), and they can't
> stand that.
> 
> ----snip----
> 
> Ned

I've lived in Brisbane, Sydney and Perth. Currently living in WA. All 
these cities have good points and bad. Have found in the last few years 
Perth is losing its safe image and is becoming more like the cities in 
the Eastern states. It's still a great place to live. Just one more 
point, don't nock overseas visitors they bring a lot of money into 
Australia.