🚀 go-pugleaf

Ivor Jones <this.address@notvalid.inv> wrote in
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> 1013 <not@telling.com> wrote in message
> news:j%r4c.100796$Wa.88591@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

>>> Go and fuck yourself. You get no say on how anyone posts.

>> For once I agree with Rod.

>> I can post in whichever way I like.

>> Ever heard of democracy?

> Yes I have.

But are obviously so stupid that you cant
manage to work out what it actually means.

> Not conforming to the preferences of the majority

Not a clue. No democracy requires conforming
with the wishes of the majority, fool.

> is anarchy, not democracy.

You clearly wouldnt know what anarchy
was if it bit you on your lard arse either.

And usenet is as close to anarchy as
fools like you will ever see anyway.

You get to like that or lump it, fool.

usenet has NEVER been about everyone doing things
the way a majority would like to see them done.

You get to like that or lump that too.

Ditto!


"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Go and fuck yourself. You get no say on how anyone posts.
|
| "Ivor Jones" <this.address@notvalid.inv> wrote in message
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|
| > BTW could you not top post please, it throws the thread out, thanks.
|
|

Richard Colton <webmaster@uselessinfo.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

>> Top yourself, do the world a service.

> After you.

Any 3 year old could do MUCH better than that, wanker.

<hairydog@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> He has every right to ask people to conform to the established norms
> of the newsgroup. However you do not have the right to be rude and
> offensive.


The debate between top and bottom posting has been going on since Adam was a
boy, and by the looks of this thread it isn't going to disappear anytime
soon :-)

I personally bottom post, but have respect for those who top post - personal
choice.


Albinus.

shows how much u remember from yesterdays posts....i have an ngage ya
moron...everyone knows that by now if u remember any of my posts....

but as if u'll remember that tomorrow...far out wanker...

call me names?...eat shit dry up and die....fuckwit.....

cheers ;)

"Richard Colton" <webmaster@NOSPAMuselessinfo.org.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "a_dude" <blax@blox.com> wrote in message
> news:c2seg6$13v6$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> > what crap...just cuz monkeys buy brand names cuz they dont know any
> > different....
>
> Err.... yeah... and your actual point is?  Or are you just trolling?
>
> >
> > all my mates are green with envy and they have sony, ericsons and all
the
> > other crap phones...
>
> Yeah, if you say so Mr Troll.
>
> >
> > they see what my nokia does and cry...
>
> With laughter.
>
> Unlike yourself, I can see the up and downside to Nokias and Ericssons.
The
> Nokias (generally) feel cheap and plasticky and have to rely on such
> gimmicks as X-Press on covers and FM radios.  Ericssons on the other hand
> are solidly built, reliable and have worthwhile features such as BlueTooth
> that actually work without having to upgrade the firmware every other week
> and sacrificing virgins to the Nokia CEO.
>
> >
> > and yes people love getting ripped off cuz they dont know whats
> > new.....after all stupid monkeys DO listen to the phone salesmen instead
> of
> > researching for themselves...
>
> About the only thing in your post that makes any sense, and that I can
agree
> with.  I did my research, and that's exactly why I bought Ericsson -
because
> at the end of the day Nokia only make one decent handset (6310i).  If you
> want a toy, by all means buy Nokia.  If youwant a phone then you'll have
to
> look elsewhere.  Ericsson or Samsung are usually a better bet.
>
> >
> > btw the sony screens are so crap, id use em as a toilet accessory...
>
> Yeah, yeah.  Go back to wanking over strip poker on your 3510i then, the
> rest of us will enjoy the far superior screens fitted to the latest SE
> offerings.
>
> -- 
> >>>    Unlock Your Phone's Potential  <<<
> >>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<<
> >>>    http://www.uselessinfo.org.uk    <<<
>
>

you dont have to follow morons to call yourself a democracy...thats called
being a sheep...

"Ivor Jones" <this.address@notvalid.inv> wrote in message
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>
> "1013" <not@telling.com> wrote in message
> news:j%r4c.100796$Wa.88591@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > Go and fuck yourself. You get no say on how anyone posts.
> >
> > For once I agree with Rod.
> >
> > I can post in whichever way I like.
> >
> > Ever heard of democracy?
>
> Yes I have. Not conforming to the preferences of the majority is anarchy,
> not democracy.
>
> Ivor
>
>

chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
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> 1013 wrote

>> Ever heard of democracy?

> Go on then, define 'democracy'?

You first.

> Quick question for you: which Country is more
> Democratic - America, France or Britain?

Mindlessly silly question.

And on posting styles, its actually freedom of choice that matters.

It doesnt happen to be something you and your ilk get any say
what so ever on, except in the sense of how you post yourself.

You get to like that or lump it.

chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
news:MPG.1abde464feda9508989cfc@news.claranews.com...
> Rod Speed wrote
>> chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote
>>> 1013 wrote

>>>> Ever heard of democracy?

>>> Go on then, define 'democracy'?

>> You first.

> Basically, there is no true democracy.

Mindlessly silly. There are various types of democracy
and only a fool would be stupid enough to claim that
there is only one 'true' democracy.

You clearly are one of those fools.

> Switzerland is the closest example of a
> Country that engages in true 'democracy'.

Only if you are stupid enough to claim that a direct
vote on particular issues is the only 'true' democracy.

And even with the approach the swiss take, thats much more
complicated than it looks because no one, including the swiss,
actually get a direct vote on every bit of legislation and it only
gets enacted when it ends up with a majority voting for it.

AND even if that approach was taken, they certainly dont get
a direct vote line by line on the bits of every bit of legislation.

Even someone as stupid as you should
have noticed that that just aint feasible.

AND one of the VERY fundamental basis of any real democracy
is that some issues arent ever put to the vote, like say if morons
should be killed when identified, or whether its ever put to the
vote that just one religion is the only acceptible religion, etc etc etc.

> For a definition of 'democracy' might I suggest you read
> the numerous academic txt books available on the subject?

Read them thanks, likely before you were even born.

So you can take your suggestion and shove it up your arse.

And thats not a suggestion, thats an order.

> It's something I covered in year 3, but unfortunately
> the topic hasn't come up in my MA programme
> :(

Just another silly little know it all posturing child which
in fact knows sweet fuck all about anything at all.

In spades with the real world.

>>> Quick question for you: which Country is more
>>> Democratic - America, France or Britain?

>> Mindlessly silly question.

> The answer is America and France first.

There is no 'answer' you stupid pig ignorant child.

In some respects SOME of the american system is
much more democratic than anything the frogs have,
particularly with the referendums that some states have.

In other respects america is much worse,
particularly the quite undemocratic approach they
have with  presidential candidates for example.

> Then Britain.  Britain is seen by many social scientists
> as less democratic than either America or France
> because we have an unelected Royal Family.

More mindlessly silly stuff. Its got fuck all to
do with whether some grossly inbred royals are
elected or not when they have no power at all.

You can however make a case that the pom
House of Lords is by far the least democratic
institution amoungst just those 3 countrys.

Tho the frog system has its own
terminal stupidtys in those areas.

> America and France, otoh, do not.

Pity thats got sweet fuck all to do with what is a 'true' democracy.

>> And on posting styles, its actually
>> freedom of choice that matters.

> Rubbish.

Yep, you'd know all about that.

> It's about conforming to etiquette.

Pigs arse it is. There is no such animal as 'etiquette'
with usenet which happens to be as close to pure
anarchy as you are ever likely to personally experience.

>> It doesnt happen to be something you and your ilk get any say
>> what so ever on, except in the sense of how you post yourself.

> But someone has already had a say on it!

Crap.

> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html

Just the mindless spew from some terminal fuckwit that gets
no say what so ever on anything at all posting style wise.

>> You get to like that or lump it.

> *sigh*

Heavy breathing aint gunna save your bacon, child.

> *PLONK*

Typical childish stunt. Spew your puerile shit and then
put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and try
the usual thing 3 year olds try, 'nyah nyah, cant hear ya'

Fat lot of good that will do you anyway, child.

Changed ya nick have ya Rod?


"wlloo" <wloo@NOSPAM.zap.com> wrote in message
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|
| chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
| news:MPG.1abde464feda9508989cfc@news.claranews.com...
| > Rod Speed wrote
| >> chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote
| >>> 1013 wrote
|
| >>>> Ever heard of democracy?
|
| >>> Go on then, define 'democracy'?
|
| >> You first.
|
| > Basically, there is no true democracy.
|
| Mindlessly silly. There are various types of democracy
| and only a fool would be stupid enough to claim that
| there is only one 'true' democracy.
|
| You clearly are one of those fools.
|
| > Switzerland is the closest example of a
| > Country that engages in true 'democracy'.
|
| Only if you are stupid enough to claim that a direct
| vote on particular issues is the only 'true' democracy.
|
| And even with the approach the swiss take, thats much more
| complicated than it looks because no one, including the swiss,
| actually get a direct vote on every bit of legislation and it only
| gets enacted when it ends up with a majority voting for it.
|
| AND even if that approach was taken, they certainly dont get
| a direct vote line by line on the bits of every bit of legislation.
|
| Even someone as stupid as you should
| have noticed that that just aint feasible.
|
| AND one of the VERY fundamental basis of any real democracy
| is that some issues arent ever put to the vote, like say if morons
| should be killed when identified, or whether its ever put to the
| vote that just one religion is the only acceptible religion, etc etc etc.
|
| > For a definition of 'democracy' might I suggest you read
| > the numerous academic txt books available on the subject?
|
| Read them thanks, likely before you were even born.
|
| So you can take your suggestion and shove it up your arse.
|
| And thats not a suggestion, thats an order.
|
| > It's something I covered in year 3, but unfortunately
| > the topic hasn't come up in my MA programme
| > :(
|
| Just another silly little know it all posturing child which
| in fact knows sweet fuck all about anything at all.
|
| In spades with the real world.
|
| >>> Quick question for you: which Country is more
| >>> Democratic - America, France or Britain?
|
| >> Mindlessly silly question.
|
| > The answer is America and France first.
|
| There is no 'answer' you stupid pig ignorant child.
|
| In some respects SOME of the american system is
| much more democratic than anything the frogs have,
| particularly with the referendums that some states have.
|
| In other respects america is much worse,
| particularly the quite undemocratic approach they
| have with  presidential candidates for example.
|
| > Then Britain.  Britain is seen by many social scientists
| > as less democratic than either America or France
| > because we have an unelected Royal Family.
|
| More mindlessly silly stuff. Its got fuck all to
| do with whether some grossly inbred royals are
| elected or not when they have no power at all.
|
| You can however make a case that the pom
| House of Lords is by far the least democratic
| institution amoungst just those 3 countrys.
|
| Tho the frog system has its own
| terminal stupidtys in those areas.
|
| > America and France, otoh, do not.
|
| Pity thats got sweet fuck all to do with what is a 'true' democracy.
|
| >> And on posting styles, its actually
| >> freedom of choice that matters.
|
| > Rubbish.
|
| Yep, you'd know all about that.
|
| > It's about conforming to etiquette.
|
| Pigs arse it is. There is no such animal as 'etiquette'
| with usenet which happens to be as close to pure
| anarchy as you are ever likely to personally experience.
|
| >> It doesnt happen to be something you and your ilk get any say
| >> what so ever on, except in the sense of how you post yourself.
|
| > But someone has already had a say on it!
|
| Crap.
|
| > http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html
|
| Just the mindless spew from some terminal fuckwit that gets
| no say what so ever on anything at all posting style wise.
|
| >> You get to like that or lump it.
|
| > *sigh*
|
| Heavy breathing aint gunna save your bacon, child.
|
| > *PLONK*
|
| Typical childish stunt. Spew your puerile shit and then
| put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and try
| the usual thing 3 year olds try, 'nyah nyah, cant hear ya'
|
| Fat lot of good that will do you anyway, child.
|
|

StreeTwisE <Reply Group Only@> wrote in message
news:4053f598$0$27643$61ce578d@news.syd.swiftdsl.com.au...

> Changed ya nick have ya Rod?

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out
why that was done with that particular post, if someone was
stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.


> "wlloo" <wloo@NOSPAM.zap.com> wrote in message
> news:4053dae9$0$22525$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au...
> |
> | chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
> | news:MPG.1abde464feda9508989cfc@news.claranews.com...
> | > Rod Speed wrote
> | >> chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote
> | >>> 1013 wrote
> |
> | >>>> Ever heard of democracy?
> |
> | >>> Go on then, define 'democracy'?
> |
> | >> You first.
> |
> | > Basically, there is no true democracy.
> |
> | Mindlessly silly. There are various types of democracy
> | and only a fool would be stupid enough to claim that
> | there is only one 'true' democracy.
> |
> | You clearly are one of those fools.
> |
> | > Switzerland is the closest example of a
> | > Country that engages in true 'democracy'.
> |
> | Only if you are stupid enough to claim that a direct
> | vote on particular issues is the only 'true' democracy.
> |
> | And even with the approach the swiss take, thats much more
> | complicated than it looks because no one, including the swiss,
> | actually get a direct vote on every bit of legislation and it only
> | gets enacted when it ends up with a majority voting for it.
> |
> | AND even if that approach was taken, they certainly dont get
> | a direct vote line by line on the bits of every bit of legislation.
> |
> | Even someone as stupid as you should
> | have noticed that that just aint feasible.
> |
> | AND one of the VERY fundamental basis of any real democracy
> | is that some issues arent ever put to the vote, like say if morons
> | should be killed when identified, or whether its ever put to the
> | vote that just one religion is the only acceptible religion, etc etc etc.
> |
> | > For a definition of 'democracy' might I suggest you read
> | > the numerous academic txt books available on the subject?
> |
> | Read them thanks, likely before you were even born.
> |
> | So you can take your suggestion and shove it up your arse.
> |
> | And thats not a suggestion, thats an order.
> |
> | > It's something I covered in year 3, but unfortunately
> | > the topic hasn't come up in my MA programme
> | > :(
> |
> | Just another silly little know it all posturing child which
> | in fact knows sweet fuck all about anything at all.
> |
> | In spades with the real world.
> |
> | >>> Quick question for you: which Country is more
> | >>> Democratic - America, France or Britain?
> |
> | >> Mindlessly silly question.
> |
> | > The answer is America and France first.
> |
> | There is no 'answer' you stupid pig ignorant child.
> |
> | In some respects SOME of the american system is
> | much more democratic than anything the frogs have,
> | particularly with the referendums that some states have.
> |
> | In other respects america is much worse,
> | particularly the quite undemocratic approach they
> | have with  presidential candidates for example.
> |
> | > Then Britain.  Britain is seen by many social scientists
> | > as less democratic than either America or France
> | > because we have an unelected Royal Family.
> |
> | More mindlessly silly stuff. Its got fuck all to
> | do with whether some grossly inbred royals are
> | elected or not when they have no power at all.
> |
> | You can however make a case that the pom
> | House of Lords is by far the least democratic
> | institution amoungst just those 3 countrys.
> |
> | Tho the frog system has its own
> | terminal stupidtys in those areas.
> |
> | > America and France, otoh, do not.
> |
> | Pity thats got sweet fuck all to do with what is a 'true' democracy.
> |
> | >> And on posting styles, its actually
> | >> freedom of choice that matters.
> |
> | > Rubbish.
> |
> | Yep, you'd know all about that.
> |
> | > It's about conforming to etiquette.
> |
> | Pigs arse it is. There is no such animal as 'etiquette'
> | with usenet which happens to be as close to pure
> | anarchy as you are ever likely to personally experience.
> |
> | >> It doesnt happen to be something you and your ilk get any say
> | >> what so ever on, except in the sense of how you post yourself.
> |
> | > But someone has already had a say on it!
> |
> | Crap.
> |
> | > http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html
> |
> | Just the mindless spew from some terminal fuckwit that gets
> | no say what so ever on anything at all posting style wise.
> |
> | >> You get to like that or lump it.
> |
> | > *sigh*
> |
> | Heavy breathing aint gunna save your bacon, child.
> |
> | > *PLONK*
> |
> | Typical childish stunt. Spew your puerile shit and then
> | put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and try
> | the usual thing 3 year olds try, 'nyah nyah, cant hear ya'
> |
> | Fat lot of good that will do you anyway, child.
> |
> |
>

What about the biscuit?



"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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|
| StreeTwisE <Reply Group Only@> wrote in message
| news:4053f598$0$27643$61ce578d@news.syd.swiftdsl.com.au...
|
| > Changed ya nick have ya Rod?
|
| Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out
| why that was done with that particular post, if someone was
| stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
|
|
| > "wlloo" <wloo@NOSPAM.zap.com> wrote in message
| > news:4053dae9$0$22525$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au...
| > |
| > | chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
| > | news:MPG.1abde464feda9508989cfc@news.claranews.com...
| > | > Rod Speed wrote
| > | >> chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote
| > | >>> 1013 wrote
| > |
| > | >>>> Ever heard of democracy?
| > |
| > | >>> Go on then, define 'democracy'?
| > |
| > | >> You first.
| > |
| > | > Basically, there is no true democracy.
| > |
| > | Mindlessly silly. There are various types of democracy
| > | and only a fool would be stupid enough to claim that
| > | there is only one 'true' democracy.
| > |
| > | You clearly are one of those fools.
| > |
| > | > Switzerland is the closest example of a
| > | > Country that engages in true 'democracy'.
| > |
| > | Only if you are stupid enough to claim that a direct
| > | vote on particular issues is the only 'true' democracy.
| > |
| > | And even with the approach the swiss take, thats much more
| > | complicated than it looks because no one, including the swiss,
| > | actually get a direct vote on every bit of legislation and it only
| > | gets enacted when it ends up with a majority voting for it.
| > |
| > | AND even if that approach was taken, they certainly dont get
| > | a direct vote line by line on the bits of every bit of legislation.
| > |
| > | Even someone as stupid as you should
| > | have noticed that that just aint feasible.
| > |
| > | AND one of the VERY fundamental basis of any real democracy
| > | is that some issues arent ever put to the vote, like say if morons
| > | should be killed when identified, or whether its ever put to the
| > | vote that just one religion is the only acceptible religion, etc etc
etc.
| > |
| > | > For a definition of 'democracy' might I suggest you read
| > | > the numerous academic txt books available on the subject?
| > |
| > | Read them thanks, likely before you were even born.
| > |
| > | So you can take your suggestion and shove it up your arse.
| > |
| > | And thats not a suggestion, thats an order.
| > |
| > | > It's something I covered in year 3, but unfortunately
| > | > the topic hasn't come up in my MA programme
| > | > :(
| > |
| > | Just another silly little know it all posturing child which
| > | in fact knows sweet fuck all about anything at all.
| > |
| > | In spades with the real world.
| > |
| > | >>> Quick question for you: which Country is more
| > | >>> Democratic - America, France or Britain?
| > |
| > | >> Mindlessly silly question.
| > |
| > | > The answer is America and France first.
| > |
| > | There is no 'answer' you stupid pig ignorant child.
| > |
| > | In some respects SOME of the american system is
| > | much more democratic than anything the frogs have,
| > | particularly with the referendums that some states have.
| > |
| > | In other respects america is much worse,
| > | particularly the quite undemocratic approach they
| > | have with  presidential candidates for example.
| > |
| > | > Then Britain.  Britain is seen by many social scientists
| > | > as less democratic than either America or France
| > | > because we have an unelected Royal Family.
| > |
| > | More mindlessly silly stuff. Its got fuck all to
| > | do with whether some grossly inbred royals are
| > | elected or not when they have no power at all.
| > |
| > | You can however make a case that the pom
| > | House of Lords is by far the least democratic
| > | institution amoungst just those 3 countrys.
| > |
| > | Tho the frog system has its own
| > | terminal stupidtys in those areas.
| > |
| > | > America and France, otoh, do not.
| > |
| > | Pity thats got sweet fuck all to do with what is a 'true' democracy.
| > |
| > | >> And on posting styles, its actually
| > | >> freedom of choice that matters.
| > |
| > | > Rubbish.
| > |
| > | Yep, you'd know all about that.
| > |
| > | > It's about conforming to etiquette.
| > |
| > | Pigs arse it is. There is no such animal as 'etiquette'
| > | with usenet which happens to be as close to pure
| > | anarchy as you are ever likely to personally experience.
| > |
| > | >> It doesnt happen to be something you and your ilk get any say
| > | >> what so ever on, except in the sense of how you post yourself.
| > |
| > | > But someone has already had a say on it!
| > |
| > | Crap.
| > |
| > | > http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html
| > |
| > | Just the mindless spew from some terminal fuckwit that gets
| > | no say what so ever on anything at all posting style wise.
| > |
| > | >> You get to like that or lump it.
| > |
| > | > *sigh*
| > |
| > | Heavy breathing aint gunna save your bacon, child.
| > |
| > | > *PLONK*
| > |
| > | Typical childish stunt. Spew your puerile shit and then
| > | put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and try
| > | the usual thing 3 year olds try, 'nyah nyah, cant hear ya'
| > |
| > | Fat lot of good that will do you anyway, child.
| > |
| > |
| >
|
|

StreeTwisE <Reply Group Only@> wrote in message
news:4053f86b$0$27645$61ce578d@news.syd.swiftdsl.com.au...

> What about the biscuit?

You get to shove that up your arse, sideways.

> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c30tgv$200mqh$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de...
> |
> | StreeTwisE <Reply Group Only@> wrote in message
> | news:4053f598$0$27643$61ce578d@news.syd.swiftdsl.com.au...
> |
> | > Changed ya nick have ya Rod?
> |
> | Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out
> | why that was done with that particular post, if someone was
> | stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
> |
> |
> | > "wlloo" <wloo@NOSPAM.zap.com> wrote in message
> | > news:4053dae9$0$22525$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au...
> | > |
> | > | chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
> | > | news:MPG.1abde464feda9508989cfc@news.claranews.com...
> | > | > Rod Speed wrote
> | > | >> chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote
> | > | >>> 1013 wrote
> | > |
> | > | >>>> Ever heard of democracy?
> | > |
> | > | >>> Go on then, define 'democracy'?
> | > |
> | > | >> You first.
> | > |
> | > | > Basically, there is no true democracy.
> | > |
> | > | Mindlessly silly. There are various types of democracy
> | > | and only a fool would be stupid enough to claim that
> | > | there is only one 'true' democracy.
> | > |
> | > | You clearly are one of those fools.
> | > |
> | > | > Switzerland is the closest example of a
> | > | > Country that engages in true 'democracy'.
> | > |
> | > | Only if you are stupid enough to claim that a direct
> | > | vote on particular issues is the only 'true' democracy.
> | > |
> | > | And even with the approach the swiss take, thats much more
> | > | complicated than it looks because no one, including the swiss,
> | > | actually get a direct vote on every bit of legislation and it only
> | > | gets enacted when it ends up with a majority voting for it.
> | > |
> | > | AND even if that approach was taken, they certainly dont get
> | > | a direct vote line by line on the bits of every bit of legislation.
> | > |
> | > | Even someone as stupid as you should
> | > | have noticed that that just aint feasible.
> | > |
> | > | AND one of the VERY fundamental basis of any real democracy
> | > | is that some issues arent ever put to the vote, like say if morons
> | > | should be killed when identified, or whether its ever put to the
> | > | vote that just one religion is the only acceptible religion, etc etc
> etc.
> | > |
> | > | > For a definition of 'democracy' might I suggest you read
> | > | > the numerous academic txt books available on the subject?
> | > |
> | > | Read them thanks, likely before you were even born.
> | > |
> | > | So you can take your suggestion and shove it up your arse.
> | > |
> | > | And thats not a suggestion, thats an order.
> | > |
> | > | > It's something I covered in year 3, but unfortunately
> | > | > the topic hasn't come up in my MA programme
> | > | > :(
> | > |
> | > | Just another silly little know it all posturing child which
> | > | in fact knows sweet fuck all about anything at all.
> | > |
> | > | In spades with the real world.
> | > |
> | > | >>> Quick question for you: which Country is more
> | > | >>> Democratic - America, France or Britain?
> | > |
> | > | >> Mindlessly silly question.
> | > |
> | > | > The answer is America and France first.
> | > |
> | > | There is no 'answer' you stupid pig ignorant child.
> | > |
> | > | In some respects SOME of the american system is
> | > | much more democratic than anything the frogs have,
> | > | particularly with the referendums that some states have.
> | > |
> | > | In other respects america is much worse,
> | > | particularly the quite undemocratic approach they
> | > | have with  presidential candidates for example.
> | > |
> | > | > Then Britain.  Britain is seen by many social scientists
> | > | > as less democratic than either America or France
> | > | > because we have an unelected Royal Family.
> | > |
> | > | More mindlessly silly stuff. Its got fuck all to
> | > | do with whether some grossly inbred royals are
> | > | elected or not when they have no power at all.
> | > |
> | > | You can however make a case that the pom
> | > | House of Lords is by far the least democratic
> | > | institution amoungst just those 3 countrys.
> | > |
> | > | Tho the frog system has its own
> | > | terminal stupidtys in those areas.
> | > |
> | > | > America and France, otoh, do not.
> | > |
> | > | Pity thats got sweet fuck all to do with what is a 'true' democracy.
> | > |
> | > | >> And on posting styles, its actually
> | > | >> freedom of choice that matters.
> | > |
> | > | > Rubbish.
> | > |
> | > | Yep, you'd know all about that.
> | > |
> | > | > It's about conforming to etiquette.
> | > |
> | > | Pigs arse it is. There is no such animal as 'etiquette'
> | > | with usenet which happens to be as close to pure
> | > | anarchy as you are ever likely to personally experience.
> | > |
> | > | >> It doesnt happen to be something you and your ilk get any say
> | > | >> what so ever on, except in the sense of how you post yourself.
> | > |
> | > | > But someone has already had a say on it!
> | > |
> | > | Crap.
> | > |
> | > | > http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html
> | > |
> | > | Just the mindless spew from some terminal fuckwit that gets
> | > | no say what so ever on anything at all posting style wise.
> | > |
> | > | >> You get to like that or lump it.
> | > |
> | > | > *sigh*
> | > |
> | > | Heavy breathing aint gunna save your bacon, child.
> | > |
> | > | > *PLONK*
> | > |
> | > | Typical childish stunt. Spew your puerile shit and then
> | > | put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and try
> | > | the usual thing 3 year olds try, 'nyah nyah, cant hear ya'
> | > |
> | > | Fat lot of good that will do you anyway, child.
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> |
> |
>

God bless you, Rodney



"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c3135u$22hr57$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de...
|
| StreeTwisE <Reply Group Only@> wrote in message
| news:4053f86b$0$27645$61ce578d@news.syd.swiftdsl.com.au...
|
| > What about the biscuit?
|
| You get to shove that up your arse, sideways.
|
| > "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > news:c30tgv$200mqh$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de...
| > |
| > | StreeTwisE <Reply Group Only@> wrote in message
| > | news:4053f598$0$27643$61ce578d@news.syd.swiftdsl.com.au...
| > |
| > | > Changed ya nick have ya Rod?
| > |
| > | Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out
| > | why that was done with that particular post, if someone was
| > | stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
| > |
| > |
| > | > "wlloo" <wloo@NOSPAM.zap.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:4053dae9$0$22525$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au...
| > | > |
| > | > | chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
| > | > | news:MPG.1abde464feda9508989cfc@news.claranews.com...
| > | > | > Rod Speed wrote
| > | > | >> chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote
| > | > | >>> 1013 wrote
| > | > |
| > | > | >>>> Ever heard of democracy?
| > | > |
| > | > | >>> Go on then, define 'democracy'?
| > | > |
| > | > | >> You first.
| > | > |
| > | > | > Basically, there is no true democracy.
| > | > |
| > | > | Mindlessly silly. There are various types of democracy
| > | > | and only a fool would be stupid enough to claim that
| > | > | there is only one 'true' democracy.
| > | > |
| > | > | You clearly are one of those fools.
| > | > |
| > | > | > Switzerland is the closest example of a
| > | > | > Country that engages in true 'democracy'.
| > | > |
| > | > | Only if you are stupid enough to claim that a direct
| > | > | vote on particular issues is the only 'true' democracy.
| > | > |
| > | > | And even with the approach the swiss take, thats much more
| > | > | complicated than it looks because no one, including the swiss,
| > | > | actually get a direct vote on every bit of legislation and it only
| > | > | gets enacted when it ends up with a majority voting for it.
| > | > |
| > | > | AND even if that approach was taken, they certainly dont get
| > | > | a direct vote line by line on the bits of every bit of
legislation.
| > | > |
| > | > | Even someone as stupid as you should
| > | > | have noticed that that just aint feasible.
| > | > |
| > | > | AND one of the VERY fundamental basis of any real democracy
| > | > | is that some issues arent ever put to the vote, like say if morons
| > | > | should be killed when identified, or whether its ever put to the
| > | > | vote that just one religion is the only acceptible religion, etc
etc
| > etc.
| > | > |
| > | > | > For a definition of 'democracy' might I suggest you read
| > | > | > the numerous academic txt books available on the subject?
| > | > |
| > | > | Read them thanks, likely before you were even born.
| > | > |
| > | > | So you can take your suggestion and shove it up your arse.
| > | > |
| > | > | And thats not a suggestion, thats an order.
| > | > |
| > | > | > It's something I covered in year 3, but unfortunately
| > | > | > the topic hasn't come up in my MA programme
| > | > | > :(
| > | > |
| > | > | Just another silly little know it all posturing child which
| > | > | in fact knows sweet fuck all about anything at all.
| > | > |
| > | > | In spades with the real world.
| > | > |
| > | > | >>> Quick question for you: which Country is more
| > | > | >>> Democratic - America, France or Britain?
| > | > |
| > | > | >> Mindlessly silly question.
| > | > |
| > | > | > The answer is America and France first.
| > | > |
| > | > | There is no 'answer' you stupid pig ignorant child.
| > | > |
| > | > | In some respects SOME of the american system is
| > | > | much more democratic than anything the frogs have,
| > | > | particularly with the referendums that some states have.
| > | > |
| > | > | In other respects america is much worse,
| > | > | particularly the quite undemocratic approach they
| > | > | have with  presidential candidates for example.
| > | > |
| > | > | > Then Britain.  Britain is seen by many social scientists
| > | > | > as less democratic than either America or France
| > | > | > because we have an unelected Royal Family.
| > | > |
| > | > | More mindlessly silly stuff. Its got fuck all to
| > | > | do with whether some grossly inbred royals are
| > | > | elected or not when they have no power at all.
| > | > |
| > | > | You can however make a case that the pom
| > | > | House of Lords is by far the least democratic
| > | > | institution amoungst just those 3 countrys.
| > | > |
| > | > | Tho the frog system has its own
| > | > | terminal stupidtys in those areas.
| > | > |
| > | > | > America and France, otoh, do not.
| > | > |
| > | > | Pity thats got sweet fuck all to do with what is a 'true'
democracy.
| > | > |
| > | > | >> And on posting styles, its actually
| > | > | >> freedom of choice that matters.
| > | > |
| > | > | > Rubbish.
| > | > |
| > | > | Yep, you'd know all about that.
| > | > |
| > | > | > It's about conforming to etiquette.
| > | > |
| > | > | Pigs arse it is. There is no such animal as 'etiquette'
| > | > | with usenet which happens to be as close to pure
| > | > | anarchy as you are ever likely to personally experience.
| > | > |
| > | > | >> It doesnt happen to be something you and your ilk get any say
| > | > | >> what so ever on, except in the sense of how you post yourself.
| > | > |
| > | > | > But someone has already had a say on it!
| > | > |
| > | > | Crap.
| > | > |
| > | > | > http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html
| > | > |
| > | > | Just the mindless spew from some terminal fuckwit that gets
| > | > | no say what so ever on anything at all posting style wise.
| > | > |
| > | > | >> You get to like that or lump it.
| > | > |
| > | > | > *sigh*
| > | > |
| > | > | Heavy breathing aint gunna save your bacon, child.
| > | > |
| > | > | > *PLONK*
| > | > |
| > | > | Typical childish stunt. Spew your puerile shit and then
| > | > | put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and try
| > | > | the usual thing 3 year olds try, 'nyah nyah, cant hear ya'
| > | > |
| > | > | Fat lot of good that will do you anyway, child.
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
|
|

Richard Colton wrote:

>>You still get to go and f**k yourself.

Well Rod Speed, you seem to have tried that a couple of times but your 
penis is apparently too short to reach your anus. :->


> And you get yet another abuse report.  It's only a matter of time and how
> many abuse reports you manage to gain from your blatant abuse of other
> members of the group until the University of Berlin bars you from their news
> server.
> 
>>You get no say on how anyone posts. Ever.
> 
> I think we will once your arrogant and abusive posts get your news account
> canned.

Hi Richard,

Don't bother to reply to such idiots. In other words: Don't feed the 
trolls. Just dispose of them in a virtual trashcan called kill filter.
Unfortunately, they won't cancel this little idiot's account, so the 
only thing you can do is setting your software in such a way that such 
pathetic dickheads' articles aren't displayed any longer. Those trolls 
are a waste of time anyway.


Kind regards,
Olaf

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"Olaf Peuss" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:c31eiv$7nl$1@online.de...
<snip>
> Hi Richard,
>
> Don't bother to reply to such idiots. In other words: Don't feed the
> trolls.

I won't respond any further to the two obvious trolls in this thread.  It
must be something they're putting in the Vegemite all the way down there in
the land of the kangaroo that makes them appear like a bunch of idiotic
children.

> Just dispose of them in a virtual trashcan called kill filter.

Nah.  Way too much fun watching them make bigger idiots of themselves with
every post.

-- 
>>>    Unlock Your Phone's Potential  <<<
>>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<<
>>>    http://www.uselessinfo.org.uk    <<<

"chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
news:MPG.1abde464feda9508989cfc@news.claranews.com...
> On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 14:05:52 +1100 and in article <c2ttqi$20nhm2$1@ID-
> 69072.news.uni-berlin.de>, Rod Speed said...
> :
> : chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
> : news:MPG.1abc8760bfebf19f989cfb@news.clara.net...
> : > 1013 wrote
> :
> : >> Ever heard of democracy?
> :
> : > Go on then, define 'democracy'?
> :
> : You first.
>
> Basically, there is no true democracy.  Switzerland is the closest
> example of a Country that engages in true 'democracy'.
>
> For a definition of 'democracy' might I suggest you read the numerous
> academic txt books available on the subject?  It's something I covered
> in year 3, but unfortunately the topic hasn't come up in my MA programme
> :(
>
> : > Quick question for you: which Country is more
> : > Democratic - America, France or Britain?
> :
> : Mindlessly silly question.
>
> The answer is America and France first.  Then Britain.  Britain is seen
> by many social scientists as less democratic than either America or
> France because we have an unelected Royal Family.  America and France,
> otoh, do not.
>
> : And on posting styles, its actually freedom of choice that matters.
>
> Rubbish.  It's about conforming to etiquette.
>
> : It doesnt happen to be something you and your ilk get any say
> : what so ever on, except in the sense of how you post yourself.
>
> But someone has already had a say on it!
>
> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html
>
> : You get to like that or lump it.
>
> *sigh*
>
> *PLONK*

Not a very mature response, Chris
>
> -- 
> chris

On Sunday, March 14, 2004 at 19:56:14 (where I live), "StreeTwisE" wrote:

> God bless you, Rodney

No one else will! <g>

-- 
First Rule of Intelligent Tinkering - Save all parts

chris <see@reply.to.field> said

> Britain is seen 
> by many social scientists as less democratic than either America or 
> France because we have an unelected Royal Family.  America and France, 
> otoh, do not. 

It's probably more to do with the upper house of your parliament being 
unelected. Australia still has the British Queen as our most senior 
executive through the Governer General, but here (and I suspect also in 
Britain) the Royal Family are more or less figure heads now and hold no 
real power. 
The House of Lords on the other hand actually do have some legislative 
sway.

-- 

Kwyj.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce 

(Remove your panties to reply by email)

chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
news:MPG.1abe967191736edc989cfd@195.8.68.222...
Rod Speed said...
>> StreeTwisE <Reply Group Only@> wrote

>>> Changed ya nick have ya Rod?

>> Even someone as stupid as you should be able to
>> work out why that was done with that particular post,

> ..and thus breaking your news providers AUP. Tsk tsk.

Caught out on your childish lying, child.

Not a clue, as always.

Some pathetic netwanker claiming to be
Richard Colton <webmaster@NOSPAMuselessinfo.org.uk> wrote in
message news:udX4c.16230$Jh.349726824@news-text.cableinet.net...

> I won't respond any further to the two obvious trolls in this thread.

Even you should be able to do better than
that pathetically hoary old line, NetGoon.

> It must be something they're putting in the Vegemite
> all the way down there in the land of the kangaroo that
> makes them appear like a bunch of idiotic children.

Even you should be able to do better than
that pathetically hoary old line, NetGoon.

>> Just dispose of them in a virtual trashcan called kill filter.

Fat lot of good that does.

> Nah.  Way too much fun watching them make
> bigger idiots of themselves with every post.

Even you should be able to do better than
that pathetically hoary old line, NetGoon.

your the one namecalling mate ...u must be the 2nd troll wishing for
vegemite....

personally i hate the shit....

cheers ;)

"Richard Colton" <webmaster@NOSPAMuselessinfo.org.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Olaf Peuss" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:c31eiv$7nl$1@online.de...
> <snip>
> > Hi Richard,
> >
> > Don't bother to reply to such idiots. In other words: Don't feed the
> > trolls.
>
> I won't respond any further to the two obvious trolls in this thread.  It
> must be something they're putting in the Vegemite all the way down there
in
> the land of the kangaroo that makes them appear like a bunch of idiotic
> children.
>
> > Just dispose of them in a virtual trashcan called kill filter.
>
> Nah.  Way too much fun watching them make bigger idiots of themselves with
> every post.
>
> -- 
> >>>    Unlock Your Phone's Potential  <<<
> >>> http://www.thephonelocker.co.uk <<<
> >>>    http://www.uselessinfo.org.uk    <<<
>
>

wlloo wrote:
> usenet has NEVER been about everyone doing things
> the way a majority would like to see them done.

You should do some research and learn some stuff.  I'm not participating in
the flame war, merely making a suggestion.

Ben
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I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a String...

hey stupid....Our Senate is elected by us....we go and vote for it on a
piece of paper every 3 years...

actually theres 2 pieces of paper....one for the Lower House and one for the
Upper House....

we learnt from the Westminister System and the American System and we got
the best of both worlds...

ours is as close to true representation as u can get...although others will
argue about the State/Senate issue...

cheers ;)

oh and the Governor-General, the Queens Representative only signs off laws
to make them legal. He has the power to disband the Government only when a
serious issue arrises and both houses don't agree...aka Supply of
Money....etc...after that by law an election MUST be held within a short
time....

just to clear up a few facts about u uneducated lot on the other side of the
world who dont much read up on other countries and their systems....

with the Internet around these days and search functions...it does make you
stupid in one way....lets see if you remember all this in a years time....
monkeys....

"Kwyjibo." <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94AD43F436ECssss@130.133.1.4...
> chris <see@reply.to.field> said
>
> > Britain is seen
> > by many social scientists as less democratic than either America or
> > France because we have an unelected Royal Family.  America and France,
> > otoh, do not.
>
> It's probably more to do with the upper house of your parliament being
> unelected. Australia still has the British Queen as our most senior
> executive through the Governer General, but here (and I suspect also in
> Britain) the Royal Family are more or less figure heads now and hold no
> real power.
> The House of Lords on the other hand actually do have some legislative
> sway.
>
> -- 
>
> Kwyj.
>
> "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce
>
> (Remove your panties to reply by email)

Jon wrote:
>
> My next Sony Ericsson phone is going to be the sexy new K700
>
> http://www.esato.com/news/article.php/id=57

Looked nice... shame it's only got 32MB and thats not expandable... I'm
still looking at the Nokia 6230.

Ben
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Questions by email will likely be ignored, please use the newsgroups.
I'm not just a number. To many, I'm known as a String...

Ben Pope <spam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c32ude$22t5sk$1@ID-191149.news.uni-berlin.de...
> wlloo wrote

>> usenet has NEVER been about everyone doing things
>> the way a majority would like to see them done.

> You should do some research and learn some stuff.

You should shove your head up a dead bear's arse.

> I'm not participating in the flame war,

Obvious lie.

> merely making a suggestion.

Take your suggestion and shove it up your arse.

And that aint a suggestion, thats an order, child.

a_dud <blax@blox.com> wrote in message
news:c32uet$139h$1@otis.netspace.net.au...

> hey stupid....Our Senate is elected by us....we go
> and vote for it on a piece of paper every 3 years...

Hey, cretin...He wasnt talking about our upper house...

And we dont vote for it every 3 years either.

> actually theres 2 pieces of paper....one for the
> Lower House and one for the Upper House....

Must be one of those rocket scientist duds.

> we learnt from the Westminister System and the
> American System and we got the best of both worlds...

Bullshit.

> ours is as close to true representation as u can get...

Not a clue. As always. No wonder its a dud.

Makes absolutely no sense whatever that the
two headed fools in Tasmania get exactly the
same number of senators as those in NSW.

> oh and the Governor-General, the Queens Representative
> only signs off laws to make them legal.

Not a clue. As always.

> He has the power to disband the Government only when
> a serious issue arrises and both houses don't agree...

Not a clue. As always.

> aka Supply of Money....etc...after that by law
> an election MUST be held within a short time....

Not a clue. As always.

> just to clear up a few facts about u uneducated
> lot on the other side of the world who dont much
> read up on other countries and their systems....

Not a clue. As always.

> with the Internet around these days and search
> functions...it does make you stupid in one way....
> lets see if you remember all this in a years time....
> monkeys....

Not a clue. As always.


> "Kwyjibo." <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns94AD43F436ECssss@130.133.1.4...
> > chris <see@reply.to.field> said
> >
> > > Britain is seen
> > > by many social scientists as less democratic than either America or
> > > France because we have an unelected Royal Family.  America and France,
> > > otoh, do not.
> >
> > It's probably more to do with the upper house of your parliament being
> > unelected. Australia still has the British Queen as our most senior
> > executive through the Governer General, but here (and I suspect also in
> > Britain) the Royal Family are more or less figure heads now and hold no
> > real power.
> > The House of Lords on the other hand actually do have some legislative
> > sway.
> >
> > -- 
> >
> > Kwyj.
> >
> > "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce
> >
> > (Remove your panties to reply by email)
>
>

i can back it up with facts..u just call names...troll

cheers ;)

"chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:47:09 +1000 and in article <c32uet$139h$1
> @otis.netspace.net.au>, a_dude said...
> : we learnt from the Westminister System and the American System and we
got
> : the best of both worlds...
> :
> :
> Oh dear.  You are really a clueless fucking *idiot*
>
> -- 
> chris

i can back it up with facts and history....u just troll...

cheers ;)

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> a_dud <blax@blox.com> wrote in message
> news:c32uet$139h$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>
> > hey stupid....Our Senate is elected by us....we go
> > and vote for it on a piece of paper every 3 years...
>
> Hey, cretin...He wasnt talking about our upper house...
>
> And we dont vote for it every 3 years either.
>
> > actually theres 2 pieces of paper....one for the
> > Lower House and one for the Upper House....
>
> Must be one of those rocket scientist duds.
>
> > we learnt from the Westminister System and the
> > American System and we got the best of both worlds...
>
> Bullshit.
>
> > ours is as close to true representation as u can get...
>
> Not a clue. As always. No wonder its a dud.
>
> Makes absolutely no sense whatever that the
> two headed fools in Tasmania get exactly the
> same number of senators as those in NSW.
>
> > oh and the Governor-General, the Queens Representative
> > only signs off laws to make them legal.
>
> Not a clue. As always.
>
> > He has the power to disband the Government only when
> > a serious issue arrises and both houses don't agree...
>
> Not a clue. As always.
>
> > aka Supply of Money....etc...after that by law
> > an election MUST be held within a short time....
>
> Not a clue. As always.
>
> > just to clear up a few facts about u uneducated
> > lot on the other side of the world who dont much
> > read up on other countries and their systems....
>
> Not a clue. As always.
>
> > with the Internet around these days and search
> > functions...it does make you stupid in one way....
> > lets see if you remember all this in a years time....
> > monkeys....
>
> Not a clue. As always.
>
>
> > "Kwyjibo." <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns94AD43F436ECssss@130.133.1.4...
> > > chris <see@reply.to.field> said
> > >
> > > > Britain is seen
> > > > by many social scientists as less democratic than either America or
> > > > France because we have an unelected Royal Family.  America and
France,
> > > > otoh, do not.
> > >
> > > It's probably more to do with the upper house of your parliament being
> > > unelected. Australia still has the British Queen as our most senior
> > > executive through the Governer General, but here (and I suspect also
in
> > > Britain) the Royal Family are more or less figure heads now and hold
no
> > > real power.
> > > The House of Lords on the other hand actually do have some legislative
> > > sway.
> > >
> > > -- 
> > >
> > > Kwyj.
> > >
> > > "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce
> > >
> > > (Remove your panties to reply by email)
> >
> >
>
>

a_dud <blax@blox.com> wrote in message
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> i can back it up with facts and history....

More of your childish lying...


> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c3300q$214qm4$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > a_dud <blax@blox.com> wrote in message
> > news:c32uet$139h$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> >
> > > hey stupid....Our Senate is elected by us....we go
> > > and vote for it on a piece of paper every 3 years...
> >
> > Hey, cretin...He wasnt talking about our upper house...
> >
> > And we dont vote for it every 3 years either.
> >
> > > actually theres 2 pieces of paper....one for the
> > > Lower House and one for the Upper House....
> >
> > Must be one of those rocket scientist duds.
> >
> > > we learnt from the Westminister System and the
> > > American System and we got the best of both worlds...
> >
> > Bullshit.
> >
> > > ours is as close to true representation as u can get...
> >
> > Not a clue. As always. No wonder its a dud.
> >
> > Makes absolutely no sense whatever that the
> > two headed fools in Tasmania get exactly the
> > same number of senators as those in NSW.
> >
> > > oh and the Governor-General, the Queens Representative
> > > only signs off laws to make them legal.
> >
> > Not a clue. As always.
> >
> > > He has the power to disband the Government only when
> > > a serious issue arrises and both houses don't agree...
> >
> > Not a clue. As always.
> >
> > > aka Supply of Money....etc...after that by law
> > > an election MUST be held within a short time....
> >
> > Not a clue. As always.
> >
> > > just to clear up a few facts about u uneducated
> > > lot on the other side of the world who dont much
> > > read up on other countries and their systems....
> >
> > Not a clue. As always.
> >
> > > with the Internet around these days and search
> > > functions...it does make you stupid in one way....
> > > lets see if you remember all this in a years time....
> > > monkeys....
> >
> > Not a clue. As always.
> >
> >
> > > "Kwyjibo." <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Xns94AD43F436ECssss@130.133.1.4...
> > > > chris <see@reply.to.field> said
> > > >
> > > > > Britain is seen
> > > > > by many social scientists as less democratic than either America or
> > > > > France because we have an unelected Royal Family.  America and
> France,
> > > > > otoh, do not.
> > > >
> > > > It's probably more to do with the upper house of your parliament being
> > > > unelected. Australia still has the British Queen as our most senior
> > > > executive through the Governer General, but here (and I suspect also
> in
> > > > Britain) the Royal Family are more or less figure heads now and hold
> no
> > > > real power.
> > > > The House of Lords on the other hand actually do have some legislative
> > > > sway.
> > > >
> > > > -- 
> > > >
> > > > Kwyj.
> > > >
> > > > "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce
> > > >
> > > > (Remove your panties to reply by email)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

a_dud <blax@blox.com> wrote in message
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> i can back it up with facts..

You wouldnt know what a fact was
if it bit you on your lard arse, child.

> u just call names...

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh, child ?


> "chris" <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1abf1cc97877fff8989cfe@195.8.68.222...
> > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:47:09 +1000 and in article <c32uet$139h$1
> > @otis.netspace.net.au>, a_dude said...
> > : we learnt from the Westminister System and the American System and we
> got
> > : the best of both worlds...
> > :
> > :
> > Oh dear.  You are really a clueless fucking *idiot*
> >
> > -- 
> > chris
>
>

On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:59:33 +0000 (UTC), "Jon" <jren57@nullandvoid.com> wrote
some stuff about "Re: SE vs NOKIA", to which I would like to add the
following:

>About 3 weeks ago my Brother Bought a Z600, WHAT AN
>AMAZING PHONE! - nothing from Nokia can match it, 

3650/6600 runs circles around Z600/T630.  You can argue that these are not in
the same class of phone intended for different people, however Z600 is pretty
much just as bulky as 6600 is. 

Cheers,
Chanchao

On Monday, March 15, 2004 at 21:18:45 (where I live), "hairydog@despammed.com" wrote:

> Seriously, it appears that an awful lot of aussies on the net have a
> huge chip on their shoulder. You included.

How dare you abuse us Australian like that!

You seriously underestimate us.

Me, I have a chip on ~both~ shoulders, thank you!

-- 
To make an enemy, do someone a favor.

<hairydog@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:dl0b50h1pincdaega2go206r8uji7300r2@4ax.com...
> a_dud <blax@blox.com> wrote

>> we learnt from the Westminister System and the
>> American System and we got the best of both worlds...

> Seriously,

Yeah, sure.

> it appears that an awful lot of aussies on the  net
> have a huge chip on their shoulder. You included.

> Why is that? Some sort of national inferiority complex?

> Do the well-balanced aussies sit there groaning in
> embarrassment at the fools you lot make of yourselves?

Nope, just at pathetic excuses for trolls like you.

Any 3 year old could do MUCH better than that pathetic effort, child.

"a_dude" <blax@blox.com> said

> hey stupid....

Waddya want, fucktard?  (this ought to be good....)

> Our Senate is elected by us....

No shit Einstein. Care to point out where I said it's not?

> we go and vote for it on
> a piece of paper every 3 years...
> 

You only vote for half of it every three years. They serve 6 year terms, 
fuckwit.


> actually theres 2 pieces of paper....one for the Lower House and one
> for the Upper House....
> 
> we learnt from the Westminister System and the American System and we
> got the best of both worlds...
> 

Crap. We've got absolutely nothing from the American system. We got the 
British system with the bonus(???) of being able to vote on our upper 
house representatives.

> ours is as close to true representation as u can get...although others
> will argue about the State/Senate issue...
> 
> cheers ;)
> 
> oh and the Governor-General, the Queens Representative only signs off
> laws to make them legal. 

Which gives him veto powers over any law introduced by an elected 
government. Not very democratic, is it, stupid.

> He has the power to disband the Government


Which has happened before. An unelected official representing a monarch 
overseas having the power to sack a democratically elected government? 
Doesn't sound very representative to me.

> only when a serious issue arrises and both houses don't agree...aka
> Supply of Money....etc...after that by law an election MUST be held
> within a short time....
> 
> just to clear up a few facts about u uneducated lot on the other side
> of the world who dont much read up on other countries and their
> systems.... 

Unlike you, you illiterate fuckwit, who cant even follow a thread and 
make any sense of it.

> 
> with the Internet around these days and search functions...it does
> make you stupid in one way.

So does not being able to read a usenet header and know that I am in 
Australia, you fuckwit.


-- 

Kwyj.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce 

(Remove your panties to reply by email)

That's the official Telstra response to banal/anal abuse?

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "thomo" <thomo@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4052486b$0$27384$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > Hey arse, your banal/anal approach to life offends many and contributes
> > nothing.
>
> Then shut the fuck up
> >
> > In AnotherRodSpeedExcretia
> > "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:c2tejm$21qs88$1@ID-69072.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > > Richard Colton <webmaster@uselessinfo.org.uk> wrote in
> > > message news:PSq4c.15190$2A2.318880868@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
> > >
> > > >> You still get to go and f**k yourself.
> > >
> > > > And you get yet another abuse report.
> > >
> > > Fat lot of good that will ever do you, wanker.
> > >
> > > > It's only a matter of time and how many abuse
> > > > reports you manage to gain from your blatant
> > > > abuse of other members of the group until the
> > > > University of Berlin bars you from their news server.
> > >
> > > They'll just tell fools like you to use a killfile for posts you dont
> > like.
> > >
> > > >> You get no say on how anyone posts. Ever.
> > >
> > > > I think
> > >
> > > Obvious lie.
> > >
> > > > we will once your arrogant and abusive
> > > > posts get your news account canned.
> > >
> > > Only in your pathetic little drug crazed dreamworld, wanker.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Some refugee from the diplomatic service desperately cowering behind
Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94B0ECD72A25ssss@130.133.1.4...
> a_dud <blax@blox.com> said

>> hey stupid....

> Waddya want, fucktard?  (this ought to be good....)

Wanna bet ?

>> Our Senate is elected by us....

> No shit Einstein. Care to point out where I said it's not?

>> we go and vote for it on a piece of paper every 3 years...

> You only vote for half of it every three years.

And not necessarily every 3 years either.

> They serve 6 year terms, fuckwit.

When there isnt a double dissolution, anyway.

>> actually theres 2 pieces of paper....one for the
>> Lower House and one for the Upper House....

> > we learnt from the Westminister System and the
>> American System and we got the best of both worlds...

> Crap. We've got absolutely nothing from the American system.

Thats just plain wrong. The poms dont have a
constitution, we do. And some parts of ours have
been copied almost word for word from the yankee
one, particularly the bit about freedom of religion.

The poms dont even have a written constitution at all.

We have a federal system thats a lot closer
to the yank system than to the pom system.

> We got the British system with the bonus(???) of being
> able to vote on our upper house representatives.

>> ours is as close to true representation as u can get...
>> although others will argue about the State/Senate issue...

>> oh and the Governor-General, the Queens Representative
>> only signs off laws to make them legal.

> Which gives him veto powers over any law introduced by
> an elected government. Not very democratic, is it, stupid.

>> He has the power to disband the Government

> Which has happened before. An unelected official representing
> a monarch overseas having the power to sack a democratically
> elected government? Doesn't sound very representative to me.

Death squad for you then.

>> only when a serious issue arrises and both houses
>> don't agree...aka Supply of Money....etc...after that
>> by law an election MUST be held within a short time....

>> just to clear up a few facts about u uneducated
>> lot on the other side of the world who dont much
>> read up on other countries and their systems....

> Unlike you, you illiterate fuckwit, who cant
> even follow a thread and make any sense of it.

Does that make it threadbare ?

Threadbear would be much better.

>> with the Internet around these days and search
>> functions...it does make you stupid in one way.

> So does not being able to read a usenet header
> and know that I am in Australia, you fuckwit.

Bit hard to do that with your head up a threadbear's arse.

> > oh and the Governor-General, the Queens Representative only signs off
> > laws to make them legal.
>
> Which gives him veto powers over any law introduced by an elected
> government. Not very democratic, is it, stupid.

Not at all.

> > He has the power to disband the Government
>
> Which has happened before. An unelected official representing a monarch
> overseas having the power to sack a democratically elected government?
> Doesn't sound very representative to me.

Pretty stupid in my view

chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed said...

>> Thats just plain wrong. The poms dont have a written constitution,

> I'm afraid we do.

Corse you dont.

> Can't believe you just said this tbh!

Your problem.

>> we do. And some parts of ours have been
>> copied almost word for word from the yankee
>> one, particularly the bit about freedom of religion.

>> The poms dont even have a written constitution at all.

> Erm, the Magna Carta is pretty much our constitution.

Crap, thats not a constitution.

> We have also adopted the Human Rights Act

Thats just an Act, not a constitution, cretin.

> which forms part of a written
> constitution guaranteeing certain rights.

You clearly wouldnt know what a written
constitution was if one bit you on your lard arse.

Yeah,  we all drive them over here,  so what!




| 
| Erm, the Magna Carta is pretty much our constitution. 
| -- 
| chris

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said

> 
> chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1ac45b60cae7e787989d0b@news.claranews.com...
>> Rod Speed said...
> 
>>> Thats just plain wrong. The poms dont have a written constitution,
> 
>> I'm afraid we do.
> 
> Corse you dont.
> 
>> Can't believe you just said this tbh!
> 
> Your problem.
> 
>>> we do. And some parts of ours have been
>>> copied almost word for word from the yankee
>>> one, particularly the bit about freedom of religion.
> 
>>> The poms dont even have a written constitution at all.
>

That's about the only bit you got right, stupid.
 
>> Erm, the Magna Carta is pretty much our constitution.
> 
> Crap, thats not a constitution.
>

It forms *a part* of their unwritten constitution (along with the Act of 
Settlement), as it forms the basis for our written one.
 
>> We have also adopted the Human Rights Act
> 
> Thats just an Act, not a constitution, cretin.
> 
>> which forms part of a written
>> constitution guaranteeing certain rights.
> 
> You clearly wouldnt know what a written
> constitution was if one bit you on your lard arse.

They don't have a written constitution. That doesn't mean they don't have a 
constitution at all.

-- 

Kwyj.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce 

(Remove your panties to reply by email)

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said

> 
> Some refugee from the diplomatic service desperately cowering behind
> Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns94B0ECD72A25ssss@130.133.1.4...
>> a_dud <blax@blox.com> said
> 
>>> hey stupid....
> 
>> Waddya want, fucktard?  (this ought to be good....)
> 
> Wanna bet ?
> 
>>> Our Senate is elected by us....
> 
>> No shit Einstein. Care to point out where I said it's not?
> 
>>> we go and vote for it on a piece of paper every 3 years...
> 
>> You only vote for half of it every three years.
> 
> And not necessarily every 3 years either.
> 
>> They serve 6 year terms, fuckwit.
> 
> When there isnt a double dissolution, anyway.
> 
>>> actually theres 2 pieces of paper....one for the
>>> Lower House and one for the Upper House....
> 
>> > we learnt from the Westminister System and the
>>> American System and we got the best of both worlds...
> 
>> Crap. We've got absolutely nothing from the American system.
> 
> Thats just plain wrong. The poms dont have a
> constitution,

Yes they do. It's just not written down anywhere.

> we do. And some parts of ours have
> been copied almost word for word from the yankee
> one, particularly the bit about freedom of religion.
> 

And WTF has that got to do with our political system and how useless 
politicians are voted into power.

> The poms dont even have a written constitution at all.
>

Correct.

 
> We have a federal system thats a lot closer
> to the yank system than to the pom system.
>

Bullshit.
The biggest difference is that we have a Monarch as head of state who holds 
no real power. We have a Prime Minister as head of government who actually 
runs the place. The US has a President who is head of state as well as head 
of government and has real power.
The only thing we have in common with the US is that we get to vote on our 
senators.

>> We got the British system with the bonus(???) of being
>> able to vote on our upper house representatives.
> 
>>> ours is as close to true representation as u can get...
>>> although others will argue about the State/Senate issue...
> 
>>> oh and the Governor-General, the Queens Representative
>>> only signs off laws to make them legal.
> 
>> Which gives him veto powers over any law introduced by
>> an elected government. Not very democratic, is it, stupid.
> 
>>> He has the power to disband the Government
> 
>> Which has happened before. An unelected official representing
>> a monarch overseas having the power to sack a democratically
>> elected government? Doesn't sound very representative to me.
> 
> Death squad for you then.
>

It's Australia, not Chile, fuckwit.
 
>>> only when a serious issue arrises and both houses
>>> don't agree...aka Supply of Money....etc...after that
>>> by law an election MUST be held within a short time....
> 
>>> just to clear up a few facts about u uneducated
>>> lot on the other side of the world who dont much
>>> read up on other countries and their systems....
> 
>> Unlike you, you illiterate fuckwit, who cant
>> even follow a thread and make any sense of it.
> 
> Does that make it threadbare ?
>

Brain-bare more like.
 
> Threadbear would be much better.
>

Or Deadbear?
 
>>> with the Internet around these days and search
>>> functions...it does make you stupid in one way.
> 
>> So does not being able to read a usenet header
>> and know that I am in Australia, you fuckwit.
> 
> Bit hard to do that with your head up a threadbear's arse.
> 

Yep. It's an idiot. 



-- 

Kwyj.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce 

(Remove your panties to reply by email)

Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote in
message news:Xns94B21944CBC4ssss@130.133.1.4...
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said
>> chris <see@reply.to.field> wrote
>>> Rod Speed said...

>>>> Thats just plain wrong. The poms dont have a written constitution,

>>> I'm afraid we do.

>> Corse you dont.

>>> Can't believe you just said this tbh!

>> Your problem.

>>>> we do. And some parts of ours have been
>>>> copied almost word for word from the yankee
>>>> one, particularly the bit about freedom of religion.

>>>> The poms dont even have a written constitution at all.

> That's about the only bit you got right, stupid.

You're wrong. As always, cretin.

>>> Erm, the Magna Carta is pretty much our constitution.

>> Crap, thats not a constitution.

> It forms *a part* of their unwritten constitution

So it aint their constitution, fuckwit.

> (along with the Act of  Settlement),

So the magna carta aint their constitution, fuckwit.

> as it forms the basis for our written one.

Not a fucking clue, as always.

>>> We have also adopted the Human Rights Act

>> Thats just an Act, not a constitution, cretin.

>>> which forms part of a written
>>> constitution guaranteeing certain rights.

>> You clearly wouldnt know what a written
>> constitution was if one bit you on your lard arse.

> They don't have a written constitution.

Wot I saidl fuckwit.

> That doesn't mean they don't have a constitution at all.

Pity I never said that, fuckwit.

Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote
in message news:Xns94B21AC91CF34ssss@130.133.1.4...
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said
>> Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote
>>> a_dud <blax@blox.com> said

>>>> hey stupid....

>>> Waddya want, fucktard?  (this ought to be good....)

>> Wanna bet ?

>>>> Our Senate is elected by us....

>>> No shit Einstein. Care to point out where I said it's not?

>>>> we go and vote for it on a piece of paper every 3 years...

>>> You only vote for half of it every three years.

>> And not necessarily every 3 years either.

>>> They serve 6 year terms, fuckwit.

>> When there isnt a double dissolution, anyway.

>>>> actually theres 2 pieces of paper....one for the
>>>> Lower House and one for the Upper House....

>>>> we learnt from the Westminister System and the
>>>> American System and we got the best of both worlds...

>>> Crap. We've got absolutely nothing from the American system.

>> Thats just plain wrong. The poms dont have a written constitution,

> Yes they do. It's just not written down anywhere.

Thats what a written constitution means, fuckwit.

>> we do. And some parts of ours have been copied
>> almost word for word from the yankee one,
>> particularly the bit about freedom of religion.

> And WTF has that got to do with our political system
> and how useless politicians are voted into power.

Everything to do with blowing a fucking great
hole in your stupid pig ignorant claim that "We've
got absolutely nothing from the American system"

Wrong. As always.

>> The poms dont even have a written constitution at all.

> Correct.

>> We have a federal system thats a lot closer
>> to the yank system than to the pom system.

> Bullshit.

Fraid not.

> The biggest difference is that we have a Monarch
> as head of state who holds  no real power.

Thats much less important than the federal system.

> We have a Prime Minister as head of
> government who actually runs the place.

He runs fuck all, and isnt even mentioned in the constitution anyway.

> The US has a President who is head of state as
> well as head of government and has real power.

Not much that doesnt have to have the Congress endorse it.

> The only thing we have in common with the
> US is that we get to vote on our senators.

More pig ignorant bullshit. We have the federal system in common too.

And the terminal stupidity where each state gets the same
number of senators, regardless of the population of the state.

And some of the other constitutional detail too like freedom of religion.

The stupid poms dont even have an elected upper house.

>>> We got the British system with the bonus(???) of being
>>> able to vote on our upper house representatives.

>>>> ours is as close to true representation as u can get...
>>>> although others will argue about the State/Senate issue...

>>>> oh and the Governor-General, the Queens Representative
>>>> only signs off laws to make them legal.

>>> Which gives him veto powers over any law introduced by
>>> an elected government. Not very democratic, is it, stupid.

>>>> He has the power to disband the Government

>>> Which has happened before. An unelected official representing
>>> a monarch overseas having the power to sack a democratically
>>> elected government? Doesn't sound very representative to me.

>> Death squad for you then.

> It's Australia, not Chile, fuckwit.

Wrong. As always. Cretin.

>>>> only when a serious issue arrises and both houses
>>>> don't agree...aka Supply of Money....etc...after that
>>>> by law an election MUST be held within a short time....

>>>> just to clear up a few facts about u uneducated
>>>> lot on the other side of the world who dont much
>>>> read up on other countries and their systems....

>>> Unlike you, you illiterate fuckwit, who cant
>>> even follow a thread and make any sense of it.

>> Does that make it threadbare ?

> Brain-bare more like.

No such animal, cretin.

>> Threadbear would be much better.

> Or Deadbear?

Down, child.

>>>> with the Internet around these days and search
>>>> functions...it does make you stupid in one way.

>>> So does not being able to read a usenet header
>>> and know that I am in Australia, you fuckwit.

>> Bit hard to do that with your head up a threadbear's arse.

> Yep. It's an idiot.

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
<hairydog@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:v65m50p9skiq4oscmtolm8fondmeh5tun8@4ax.com...
just the puerile shit thats always pouring from the back of it.

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said

> 
> Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote
> in message news:Xns94B21AC91CF34ssss@130.133.1.4...
>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said
>>> Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote
>>>> a_dud <blax@blox.com> said
> 
>>>>> hey stupid....
> 
>>>> Waddya want, fucktard?  (this ought to be good....)
> 
>>> Wanna bet ?
> 
>>>>> Our Senate is elected by us....
> 
>>>> No shit Einstein. Care to point out where I said it's not?
> 
>>>>> we go and vote for it on a piece of paper every 3 years...
> 
>>>> You only vote for half of it every three years.
> 
>>> And not necessarily every 3 years either.
> 
>>>> They serve 6 year terms, fuckwit.
> 
>>> When there isnt a double dissolution, anyway.
> 
>>>>> actually theres 2 pieces of paper....one for the
>>>>> Lower House and one for the Upper House....
> 
>>>>> we learnt from the Westminister System and the
>>>>> American System and we got the best of both worlds...
> 
>>>> Crap. We've got absolutely nothing from the American system.
> 
>>> Thats just plain wrong. The poms dont have a written constitution,
> 
>> Yes they do. It's just not written down anywhere.
> 
> Thats what a written constitution means, fuckwit.
> 

Nice bit of altering posts there Rod. Pity you're fooling no-one.
Here's your claim as it was originally posted:

"The poms dont have a constitution"
No mention of 'written' in there.

Keep backpedaling, stupid.

>>> we do. And some parts of ours have been copied
>>> almost word for word from the yankee one,
>>> particularly the bit about freedom of religion.
> 
>> And WTF has that got to do with our political system
>> and how useless politicians are voted into power.
> 
> Everything to do with blowing a fucking great
> hole in your stupid pig ignorant claim that "We've
> got absolutely nothing from the American system"
>

When we were talking about the system of voting in governments, that's 
correct.
Learn the meaning of the word 'context', fuckwit.
 
> Wrong. As always.
> 
>>> The poms dont even have a written constitution at all.
> 
>> Correct.
> 
>>> We have a federal system thats a lot closer
>>> to the yank system than to the pom system.
> 
>> Bullshit.
> 
> Fraid not.
> 
>> The biggest difference is that we have a Monarch
>> as head of state who holds  no real power.
> 
> Thats much less important than the federal system.
> 
>> We have a Prime Minister as head of
>> government who actually runs the place.
> 
> He runs fuck all, and isnt even mentioned in the constitution anyway.
>

What's that got to do with who holds power and how they are elected (which 
is what the conversation was about, fuckwit)
 
>> The US has a President who is head of state as
>> well as head of government and has real power.
> 
> Not much that doesnt have to have the Congress endorse it.
> 

Wrong again, as always. Ever heard of an executive order?
About the only thing he can't do is pass new laws or declare an official 
war (notice the word 'official' in there) Within the current laws he is 
free to do as he pleases.

>> The only thing we have in common with the
>> US is that we get to vote on our senators.
> 
> More pig ignorant bullshit. We have the federal system in common too.
> 
> And the terminal stupidity where each state gets the same
> number of senators, regardless of the population of the state.
> 
> And some of the other constitutional detail too like freedom of religion.
>

Which has sweet fuck all to do with voting in government.
(context, Roddles, context.....)
 
> The stupid poms dont even have an elected upper house.
>

Which is what I said in the first place. (read the very next line....)
 
>>>> We got the British system with the bonus(???) of being
>>>> able to vote on our upper house representatives.
> 
>>>>> ours is as close to true representation as u can get...
>>>>> although others will argue about the State/Senate issue...
> 
>>>>> oh and the Governor-General, the Queens Representative
>>>>> only signs off laws to make them legal.
> 
>>>> Which gives him veto powers over any law introduced by
>>>> an elected government. Not very democratic, is it, stupid.
> 
>>>>> He has the power to disband the Government
> 
>>>> Which has happened before. An unelected official representing
>>>> a monarch overseas having the power to sack a democratically
>>>> elected government? Doesn't sound very representative to me.
> 
>>> Death squad for you then.
> 
>> It's Australia, not Chile, fuckwit.
> 
> Wrong. As always. Cretin.
> 
>>>>> only when a serious issue arrises and both houses
>>>>> don't agree...aka Supply of Money....etc...after that
>>>>> by law an election MUST be held within a short time....
> 
>>>>> just to clear up a few facts about u uneducated
>>>>> lot on the other side of the world who dont much
>>>>> read up on other countries and their systems....
> 
>>>> Unlike you, you illiterate fuckwit, who cant
>>>> even follow a thread and make any sense of it.
> 
>>> Does that make it threadbare ?
> 
>> Brain-bare more like.
> 
> No such animal, cretin.
> 
>>> Threadbear would be much better.
> 
>> Or Deadbear?
> 
> Down, child.
> 
>>>>> with the Internet around these days and search
>>>>> functions...it does make you stupid in one way.
> 
>>>> So does not being able to read a usenet header
>>>> and know that I am in Australia, you fuckwit.
> 
>>> Bit hard to do that with your head up a threadbear's arse.
> 
>> Yep. It's an idiot.
> 
> 
> 



-- 

Kwyj.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce 

(Remove your panties to reply by email)

Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote in
message news:Xns94B2A0FACF61Dssss@130.133.1.4...
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said
>>>> Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote
>>>>> a_dud <blax@blox.com> said

>>>>>> hey stupid....

>>>>> Waddya want, fucktard?  (this ought to be good....)

>>>> Wanna bet ?

>>>>>> Our Senate is elected by us....

>>>>> No shit Einstein. Care to point out where I said it's not?

>>>>>> we go and vote for it on a piece of paper every 3 years...

>>>>> You only vote for half of it every three years.

>>>> And not necessarily every 3 years either.

>>>>> They serve 6 year terms, fuckwit.

>>>> When there isnt a double dissolution, anyway.

>>>>>> actually theres 2 pieces of paper....one for the
>>>>>> Lower House and one for the Upper House....

>>>>>> we learnt from the Westminister System and the
>>>>>> American System and we got the best of both worlds...

>>>>> Crap. We've got absolutely nothing from the American system.

>>>> Thats just plain wrong. The poms dont have a written constitution,

>>> Yes they do. It's just not written down anywhere.

>> Thats what a written constitution means, fuckwit.

> Nice bit of altering posts there Rod. Pity you're fooling no-one.
> Here's your claim as it was originally posted:
>
> "The poms dont have a constitution"
> No mention of 'written' in there.

Just a typo, fuckwit. The correct form, written
constitution was there in the original post, further down.

>>>> we do. And some parts of ours have been copied
>>>> almost word for word from the yankee one,
>>>> particularly the bit about freedom of religion.

>>> And WTF has that got to do with our political system
>>> and how useless politicians are voted into power.

>> Everything to do with blowing a fucking great
>> hole in your stupid pig ignorant claim that "We've
>> got absolutely nothing from the American system"

> When we were talking about the
> system of voting in governments,

Pity we werent. What was actually being discussed was which
countrys are 'less democratic' you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

> that's  correct.

> Learn the meaning of the word 'context', fuckwit.

Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament better than that, moron child.

>> Wrong. As always.

>>>> The poms dont even have a written constitution at all.

>>> Correct.

>>>> We have a federal system thats a lot closer
>>>> to the yank system than to the pom system.

>>> Bullshit.

>> Fraid not.

>>> The biggest difference is that we have a Monarch
>>> as head of state who holds  no real power.

>> Thats much less important than the federal system.

>>> We have a Prime Minister as head of
>>> government who actually runs the place.

>> He runs fuck all, and isnt even
>> mentioned in the constitution anyway.

> What's that got to do with who holds power

Wasnt even being discussed.

> and how they are elected

Wasnt even being discussed.

> (which is what the conversation was about, fuckwit)

Obvious lie. What was actually being discussed
was which countrys are 'less democratic'

Try again, child.

>>> The US has a President who is head of state as
>>> well as head of government and has real power.

>> Not much that doesnt have to have the Congress endorse it.

> Wrong again, as always. Ever heard of an executive order?

They can only be used in very limited situation, cretin.

> About the only thing he can't do is pass new laws or
> declare an official war (notice the word 'official' in there)
> Within the current laws he is free to do as he pleases.

Not a fucking clue, as always.

He doesnt even get to appoint anyone he likes as secretary etc.

>>> The only thing we have in common with the
>>> US is that we get to vote on our senators.

>> More pig ignorant bullshit. We have
>> the federal system in common too.

>> And the terminal stupidity where each state gets the same
>> number of senators, regardless of the population of the state.

>> And some of the other constitutional detail too like freedom of religion.

> Which has sweet fuck all to do with voting in government.

Which wasnt even being discussed. Which country is less democratic was.

> (context, Roddles, context.....)

desperate wanking, gutless, desperate wanking...

>> The stupid poms dont even have an elected upper house.

> Which is what I said in the first place.

Nothing like the first place. And you
werent  even the first to say that, fuckwit.

>>>>> We got the British system with the bonus(???) of being
>>>>> able to vote on our upper house representatives.

>>>>>> ours is as close to true representation as u can get...
>>>>>> although others will argue about the State/Senate issue...

>>>>>> oh and the Governor-General, the Queens Representative
>>>>>> only signs off laws to make them legal.

>>>>> Which gives him veto powers over any law introduced by
>>>>> an elected government. Not very democratic, is it, stupid.

>>>>>> He has the power to disband the Government

>>>>> Which has happened before. An unelected official representing
>>>>> a monarch overseas having the power to sack a democratically
>>>>> elected government? Doesn't sound very representative to me.

>>>> Death squad for you then.

>>> It's Australia, not Chile, fuckwit.

>> Wrong. As always. Cretin.

>>>>>> only when a serious issue arrises and both houses
>>>>>> don't agree...aka Supply of Money....etc...after that
>>>>>> by law an election MUST be held within a short time....

>>>>>> just to clear up a few facts about u uneducated
>>>>>> lot on the other side of the world who dont much
>>>>>> read up on other countries and their systems....

>>>>> Unlike you, you illiterate fuckwit, who cant
>>>>> even follow a thread and make any sense of it.

>>>> Does that make it threadbare ?

>>> Brain-bare more like.

>> No such animal, cretin.

>>>> Threadbear would be much better.

>>> Or Deadbear?

>> Down, child.

>>>>>> with the Internet around these days and search
>>>>>> functions...it does make you stupid in one way.

>>>>> So does not being able to read a usenet header
>>>>> and know that I am in Australia, you fuckwit.

>>>> Bit hard to do that with your head up a threadbear's arse.

>>> Yep. It's an idiot.

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said

> 
> Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote in
> message news:Xns94B2A0FACF61Dssss@130.133.1.4...
>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said
>>>>> Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote
>>>>>> a_dud <blax@blox.com> said
> 
>>>>>>> hey stupid....
> 
>>>>>> Waddya want, fucktard?  (this ought to be good....)
> 
>>>>> Wanna bet ?
> 
>>>>>>> Our Senate is elected by us....
> 
>>>>>> No shit Einstein. Care to point out where I said it's not?
> 
>>>>>>> we go and vote for it on a piece of paper every 3 years...
> 
>>>>>> You only vote for half of it every three years.
> 
>>>>> And not necessarily every 3 years either.
> 
>>>>>> They serve 6 year terms, fuckwit.
> 
>>>>> When there isnt a double dissolution, anyway.
> 
>>>>>>> actually theres 2 pieces of paper....one for the
>>>>>>> Lower House and one for the Upper House....
> 
>>>>>>> we learnt from the Westminister System and the
>>>>>>> American System and we got the best of both worlds...
> 
>>>>>> Crap. We've got absolutely nothing from the American system.
> 
>>>>> Thats just plain wrong. The poms dont have a written constitution,
> 
>>>> Yes they do. It's just not written down anywhere.
> 
>>> Thats what a written constitution means, fuckwit.
> 
>> Nice bit of altering posts there Rod. Pity you're fooling no-one.
>> Here's your claim as it was originally posted:
>>
>> "The poms dont have a constitution"
>> No mention of 'written' in there.
> 
> Just a typo, fuckwit. 

Why didn't you just say that then, instead of bullshitting and altering 
posts to suit your needs? The reason - Because it *wasn't* a typo. You got 
it wrong - plain and simple.

> The correct form, written
> constitution was there in the original post, further down.
> 

Pity that's not what you wrote here though, fuckwit, then tried to alter 
the post to disagree with me.
Pathetic really.

>>>>> we do. And some parts of ours have been copied
>>>>> almost word for word from the yankee one,
>>>>> particularly the bit about freedom of religion.
> 
>>>> And WTF has that got to do with our political system
>>>> and how useless politicians are voted into power.
> 
>>> Everything to do with blowing a fucking great
>>> hole in your stupid pig ignorant claim that "We've
>>> got absolutely nothing from the American system"
> 
>> When we were talking about the
>> system of voting in governments,
> 
> Pity we werent. What was actually being discussed was which
> countrys are 'less democratic' 

In terms of how governments are elected, fuckwit.

> you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.
> 

You in spades. (can you get much more of a pathetic excuse for a bullshit 
artist than someone who alters posts?)

>> that's  correct.
> 
>> Learn the meaning of the word 'context', fuckwit.
> 
> Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
> of your predicament better than that, moron child.
> 

You mean like altering posts? Is that a better way to bullshit your way out 
of a predicament?

>>> Wrong. As always.
> 
>>>>> The poms dont even have a written constitution at all.
> 
>>>> Correct.
> 
>>>>> We have a federal system thats a lot closer
>>>>> to the yank system than to the pom system.
> 
>>>> Bullshit.
> 
>>> Fraid not.
> 
>>>> The biggest difference is that we have a Monarch
>>>> as head of state who holds  no real power.
> 
>>> Thats much less important than the federal system.
> 
>>>> We have a Prime Minister as head of
>>>> government who actually runs the place.
> 
>>> He runs fuck all, and isnt even
>>> mentioned in the constitution anyway.
> 
>> What's that got to do with who holds power
> 
> Wasnt even being discussed.
>

Wrong fuckwit. Learn to read the actual posts - Not the posts after you 
have altered them.
 
>> and how they are elected
> 
> Wasnt even being discussed.
> 
>> (which is what the conversation was about, fuckwit)
> 
> Obvious lie. What was actually being discussed
> was which countrys are 'less democratic'
> 

In terms of how governments are elected.

> Try again, child.
>

No need. Try to read, child.
 
>>>> The US has a President who is head of state as
>>>> well as head of government and has real power.
> 
>>> Not much that doesnt have to have the Congress endorse it.
> 
>> Wrong again, as always. Ever heard of an executive order?
> 
> They can only be used in very limited situation, cretin.
>

Bullshit.
 
>> About the only thing he can't do is pass new laws or
>> declare an official war (notice the word 'official' in there)
>> Within the current laws he is free to do as he pleases.
> 
> Not a fucking clue, as always.
> 
> He doesnt even get to appoint anyone he likes as secretary etc.
> 

Read the bit above - "Within the current laws" fuckwit.

>>>> The only thing we have in common with the
>>>> US is that we get to vote on our senators.
> 
>>> More pig ignorant bullshit. We have
>>> the federal system in common too.
> 
>>> And the terminal stupidity where each state gets the same
>>> number of senators, regardless of the population of the state.
> 
>>> And some of the other constitutional detail too like freedom of 
religion.
> 
>> Which has sweet fuck all to do with voting in government.
> 
> Which wasnt even being discussed. Which country is less democratic was.
>

In terms of how governments are decided upon, fuckwit.
 
>> (context, Roddles, context.....)
> 
> desperate wanking, gutless, desperate wanking...
> 
>>> The stupid poms dont even have an elected upper house.
> 
>> Which is what I said in the first place.
> 
> Nothing like the first place.

Wrong.

> And you
> werent  even the first to say that, fuckwit.
>

Did I say I was?

 


-- 

Kwyj.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce 

(Remove your panties to reply by email)

far out, i piss off for a few days and u guys r still at it...good

Yes Rod, its 6 years for the Senate ...I couldve corrected myself but i let
u do the honours ;)

and where do you think the idea of the Senate came...Poms dont have a
Senate...tell me what other nations had a Senate on Jan 1st
1901...Federation Day.....and previous years when it was
drafted/debated.....think how they where thinking Rod....of course they
looked at the American system...where else would they get a point of
reference?

And the closest thing to a British written constitution is the 'Magna
Carta'.....if you wanna go back another 1000 years....

but getting back to the point....equal representation equates to
democracy....as close as u can get....the key word is 'Equal' so that Joe
Blow from the city has as much say as Joe Blow from the country....aka why
the Senate isnt equally proportionate and having a lower house offsets that
balance...bloody good system...dont knock it...

its as equal as you can get when it comes to population density.....no one
has come up with anything better yet...

I reckon its the best democracy on the planet....when we dont have prime
ministers that can get away with lying....sadly its corrupt...thats a
fact...and if u voted Liberal last time...u fucken fault...

now we all suffer with the fuckwits.....and suck american cock too btw.....

cheers ;)

from those of u around the world....were talking about the Australian
Political system....why, I dont know, but if you stop talking about
it....might as well die....or give your life to slavery....

"Kwyjibo." <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94B2B095D2694ssss@130.133.1.4...
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said
>
> >
> > Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote in
> > message news:Xns94B2A0FACF61Dssss@130.133.1.4...
> >> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>> Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote
> >>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said
> >>>>> Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote
> >>>>>> a_dud <blax@blox.com> said
> >
> >>>>>>> hey stupid....
> >
> >>>>>> Waddya want, fucktard?  (this ought to be good....)
> >
> >>>>> Wanna bet ?
> >
> >>>>>>> Our Senate is elected by us....
> >
> >>>>>> No shit Einstein. Care to point out where I said it's not?
> >
> >>>>>>> we go and vote for it on a piece of paper every 3 years...
> >
> >>>>>> You only vote for half of it every three years.
> >
> >>>>> And not necessarily every 3 years either.
> >
> >>>>>> They serve 6 year terms, fuckwit.
> >
> >>>>> When there isnt a double dissolution, anyway.
> >
> >>>>>>> actually theres 2 pieces of paper....one for the
> >>>>>>> Lower House and one for the Upper House....
> >
> >>>>>>> we learnt from the Westminister System and the
> >>>>>>> American System and we got the best of both worlds...
> >
> >>>>>> Crap. We've got absolutely nothing from the American system.
> >
> >>>>> Thats just plain wrong. The poms dont have a written constitution,
> >
> >>>> Yes they do. It's just not written down anywhere.
> >
> >>> Thats what a written constitution means, fuckwit.
> >
> >> Nice bit of altering posts there Rod. Pity you're fooling no-one.
> >> Here's your claim as it was originally posted:
> >>
> >> "The poms dont have a constitution"
> >> No mention of 'written' in there.
> >
> > Just a typo, fuckwit.
>
> Why didn't you just say that then, instead of bullshitting and altering
> posts to suit your needs? The reason - Because it *wasn't* a typo. You got
> it wrong - plain and simple.
>
> > The correct form, written
> > constitution was there in the original post, further down.
> >
>
> Pity that's not what you wrote here though, fuckwit, then tried to alter
> the post to disagree with me.
> Pathetic really.
>
> >>>>> we do. And some parts of ours have been copied
> >>>>> almost word for word from the yankee one,
> >>>>> particularly the bit about freedom of religion.
> >
> >>>> And WTF has that got to do with our political system
> >>>> and how useless politicians are voted into power.
> >
> >>> Everything to do with blowing a fucking great
> >>> hole in your stupid pig ignorant claim that "We've
> >>> got absolutely nothing from the American system"
> >
> >> When we were talking about the
> >> system of voting in governments,
> >
> > Pity we werent. What was actually being discussed was which
> > countrys are 'less democratic'
>
> In terms of how governments are elected, fuckwit.
>
> > you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.
> >
>
> You in spades. (can you get much more of a pathetic excuse for a bullshit
> artist than someone who alters posts?)
>
> >> that's  correct.
> >
> >> Learn the meaning of the word 'context', fuckwit.
> >
> > Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
> > of your predicament better than that, moron child.
> >
>
> You mean like altering posts? Is that a better way to bullshit your way
out
> of a predicament?
>
> >>> Wrong. As always.
> >
> >>>>> The poms dont even have a written constitution at all.
> >
> >>>> Correct.
> >
> >>>>> We have a federal system thats a lot closer
> >>>>> to the yank system than to the pom system.
> >
> >>>> Bullshit.
> >
> >>> Fraid not.
> >
> >>>> The biggest difference is that we have a Monarch
> >>>> as head of state who holds  no real power.
> >
> >>> Thats much less important than the federal system.
> >
> >>>> We have a Prime Minister as head of
> >>>> government who actually runs the place.
> >
> >>> He runs fuck all, and isnt even
> >>> mentioned in the constitution anyway.
> >
> >> What's that got to do with who holds power
> >
> > Wasnt even being discussed.
> >
>
> Wrong fuckwit. Learn to read the actual posts - Not the posts after you
> have altered them.
>
> >> and how they are elected
> >
> > Wasnt even being discussed.
> >
> >> (which is what the conversation was about, fuckwit)
> >
> > Obvious lie. What was actually being discussed
> > was which countrys are 'less democratic'
> >
>
> In terms of how governments are elected.
>
> > Try again, child.
> >
>
> No need. Try to read, child.
>
> >>>> The US has a President who is head of state as
> >>>> well as head of government and has real power.
> >
> >>> Not much that doesnt have to have the Congress endorse it.
> >
> >> Wrong again, as always. Ever heard of an executive order?
> >
> > They can only be used in very limited situation, cretin.
> >
>
> Bullshit.
>
> >> About the only thing he can't do is pass new laws or
> >> declare an official war (notice the word 'official' in there)
> >> Within the current laws he is free to do as he pleases.
> >
> > Not a fucking clue, as always.
> >
> > He doesnt even get to appoint anyone he likes as secretary etc.
> >
>
> Read the bit above - "Within the current laws" fuckwit.
>
> >>>> The only thing we have in common with the
> >>>> US is that we get to vote on our senators.
> >
> >>> More pig ignorant bullshit. We have
> >>> the federal system in common too.
> >
> >>> And the terminal stupidity where each state gets the same
> >>> number of senators, regardless of the population of the state.
> >
> >>> And some of the other constitutional detail too like freedom of
> religion.
> >
> >> Which has sweet fuck all to do with voting in government.
> >
> > Which wasnt even being discussed. Which country is less democratic was.
> >
>
> In terms of how governments are decided upon, fuckwit.
>
> >> (context, Roddles, context.....)
> >
> > desperate wanking, gutless, desperate wanking...
> >
> >>> The stupid poms dont even have an elected upper house.
> >
> >> Which is what I said in the first place.
> >
> > Nothing like the first place.
>
> Wrong.
>
> > And you
> > werent  even the first to say that, fuckwit.
> >
>
> Did I say I was?
>
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Kwyj.
>
> "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce
>
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Some gutless fuckwit that cant even manage
its own lines, desperately cowering behind
Kwyjibo <Kwyjibo@ozdebate.com> desperately
attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament in message
news:Xns94B2B095D2694ssss@130.133.1.4...
and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.

No wonder it got the bums rush out of the
biggest sheltered workshop in the country.

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> said

> Some gutless fuckwit that cant even manage
> its own lines, desperately cowering behind
> Kwyjibo <Kwyjibo@ozdebate.com> desperately
> attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament in message
> news:Xns94B2B095D2694ssss@130.133.1.4...
> and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.
> 

Just keep altering those posts to try and prove a point, Roddles.
Done like a dinner, as always.

-- 

Kwyj.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce 

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