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chatnoir wrote:

> http://occupydenver.org/119-explore-the-alternative-economy/
>
> When: Saturday, January 19th @ 9am
> Where: Kirk of Bonnie Brae, 1201 S. Steele Street, Denver, CO 80210
>
> The purpose of Social Forum is to organize, educate and empower people
> on critical issues; sharing knowledge; and teaching skills to build
> alternative and sustainable systems that better meet our human needs.
> Through the Social Forum model, individuals reflect on their own
> purpose and how to make a difference, and hopefully we can create the
> consciousness that we have the knowledge and skills and the power to
> create the change we desire.
>
> Workshops: 9am to 12:30pm
> Worker Cooperatives � This workshop will discuss the Worker
> Cooperatives (employee-ownership model) which are business entities
> that are owned and operated by their employees. It creates a
> sustainable economy, stable, and non-competitive jobs that can�t be
> sold out, and that build community. Bill Kirton & Dick Peterson
> http://www.rmeoc.org/
>
> Alternative Currency � In this workshop, we will explore Denver�s
> brand new local currency.  This becomes a self-financing revolution to
> create a bottom-up economy with self-sufficiency, and self-government.
> No waiting, voting, or asking permission from the corrupt.  You can
> learn how you can benefit from Hours as an individual, or business. We
> have set up 5 local, currency systems in 8 months. Each can trade with
> one another, and none support big-box stores. �The People are the
> gold, and can create a more abundant future immediately!� Wayne
> Walton  http://www.milehighhours.com/
>
> Money, Public Banking, and Global Transformation �
> In this workshop, we will examine the following: Money is ubiquitous,
> but few people understand what it really is and how control over its
> creation and availability affects global, local, and individual
> conditions. Clarity, regarding what money is, enables us to transform
> the monetary system so that it serves people, rather than the other
> way around, which is currently the case. The transformation process
> requires, at a minimum, three initiatives: public banking; verifiable
> voting and public-only campaign financing; and decentralized media
> ownership. Robert Bows  http://publicbankinginstitute.org/
>
> Open Forum: 12:30pm
> Time to brainstorm and choose the next step for our community.
>
> Please bring a healthy dish to share, if unable, please come anyway

"We ask that the government undertake the obligation
above all of providing citizens with adequate
opportunity for employment and earning a living.
The activities of the individual must not be allowed
to clash with the interests of the community, but must
take place within its confines and be for the good of
all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the
financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big
business. We demand a broad extension of care for the
aged. We demand... the greatest possible consideration
of small business in the purchases of national, state,
and municipal governments. In order to make possible
to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment
of higher education and thus the achievement of a post
of leadership, the government must provide an all-
around enlargement of our entire system of public
education... We demand the education at government
expense of gifted children of poor parents... The
government must undertake the improvement of public
health by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting
child labor... by the greatest possible support for
all clubs concerned with the physical education of
youth. We combat the... materialistic spirit within
and without us, and are convinced that a permanent
recovery of our people can only proceed from within
on the foundation of the common good before the
individual good."

On Sun, 06 Jan 2013, Lord Valve <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>chatnoir wrote:
>
>> http://occupydenver.org/119-explore-the-alternative-economy/
>>
>> When: Saturday, January 19th @ 9am
>> Where: Kirk of Bonnie Brae, 1201 S. Steele Street, Denver, CO 80210
>>
>> The purpose of Social Forum is to organize, educate and empower people
>> on critical issues; sharing knowledge; and teaching skills to build
>> alternative and sustainable systems that better meet our human needs.
>> Through the Social Forum model, individuals reflect on their own
>> purpose and how to make a difference, and hopefully we can create the
>> consciousness that we have the knowledge and skills and the power to
>> create the change we desire.
>>
>> Workshops: 9am to 12:30pm
>> Worker Cooperatives � This workshop will discuss the Worker
>> Cooperatives (employee-ownership model) which are business entities
>> that are owned and operated by their employees. It creates a
>> sustainable economy, stable, and non-competitive jobs that can�t be
>> sold out, and that build community. Bill Kirton & Dick Peterson
>> http://www.rmeoc.org/
>>
>> Alternative Currency � In this workshop, we will explore Denver�s
>> brand new local currency.  This becomes a self-financing revolution to
>> create a bottom-up economy with self-sufficiency, and self-government.
>> No waiting, voting, or asking permission from the corrupt.  You can
>> learn how you can benefit from Hours as an individual, or business. We
>> have set up 5 local, currency systems in 8 months. Each can trade with
>> one another, and none support big-box stores. �The People are the
>> gold, and can create a more abundant future immediately!� Wayne
>> Walton  http://www.milehighhours.com/
>>
>> Money, Public Banking, and Global Transformation �
>> In this workshop, we will examine the following: Money is ubiquitous,
>> but few people understand what it really is and how control over its
>> creation and availability affects global, local, and individual
>> conditions. Clarity, regarding what money is, enables us to transform
>> the monetary system so that it serves people, rather than the other
>> way around, which is currently the case. The transformation process
>> requires, at a minimum, three initiatives: public banking; verifiable
>> voting and public-only campaign financing; and decentralized media
>> ownership. Robert Bows  http://publicbankinginstitute.org/
>>
>> Open Forum: 12:30pm
>> Time to brainstorm and choose the next step for our community.
>>
>> Please bring a healthy dish to share, if unable, please come anyway
>
>"We ask that the government undertake the obligation
>above all of providing citizens with adequate
>opportunity for employment and earning a living.
>The activities of the individual must not be allowed
>to clash with the interests of the community, but must
>take place within its confines and be for the good of
>all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the
>financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big
>business. We demand a broad extension of care for the
>aged. We demand... the greatest possible consideration
>of small business in the purchases of national, state,
>and municipal governments. In order to make possible
>to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment
>of higher education and thus the achievement of a post
>of leadership, the government must provide an all-
>around enlargement of our entire system of public
>education... We demand the education at government
>expense of gifted children of poor parents... The
>government must undertake the improvement of public
>health by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting
>child labor... by the greatest possible support for
>all clubs concerned with the physical education of
>youth. We combat the... materialistic spirit within
>and without us, and are convinced that a permanent
>recovery of our people can only proceed from within
>on the foundation of the common good before the
>individual good."
>
Nothing changes.  So no matter what they do, no matter what they say,
no matter what they think, evil shall always prevail over this world.
Criminals shall always rule in this world.  Corruption shall always
defeat and kill incorruption, and lies shall always overwhelm truth.

Turns out it's due to the nature of the human race.  Individually
or in small numbers, humans can, on most occassions, do some good or
even a lot of good.  But as their numbers get larger in any common
pursuit, be it government, religion, money, or anything related to
the material world, evil quickly takes possession of it, chasing away
and outlawing whatever good might've instigated it.

Like OWS and other powerless protest groups, these "social forum"
people have no chance in hell of ever changing anything.  Evil lives
forever, and good is always punished for the evil that evildoers do,
and thus the good eventually dies never knowing any victory over the
evil which destroyed it.  It is only the naive and inexperienced, the
young and hopeful, that don't know that about this world -- yet.

-- 
Bub

On Sun, 06 Jan 2013, Lord Valve <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>chatnoir wrote:
>
>> http://occupydenver.org/119-explore-the-alternative-economy/
>>
>> When: Saturday, January 19th @ 9am
>> Where: Kirk of Bonnie Brae, 1201 S. Steele Street, Denver, CO 80210
>>
>> The purpose of Social Forum is to organize, educate and empower people
>> on critical issues; sharing knowledge; and teaching skills to build
>> alternative and sustainable systems that better meet our human needs.
>> Through the Social Forum model, individuals reflect on their own
>> purpose and how to make a difference, and hopefully we can create the
>> consciousness that we have the knowledge and skills and the power to
>> create the change we desire.
>>
>> Workshops: 9am to 12:30pm
>> Worker Cooperatives � This workshop will discuss the Worker
>> Cooperatives (employee-ownership model) which are business entities
>> that are owned and operated by their employees. It creates a
>> sustainable economy, stable, and non-competitive jobs that can�t be
>> sold out, and that build community. Bill Kirton & Dick Peterson
>> http://www.rmeoc.org/
>>
>> Alternative Currency � In this workshop, we will explore Denver�s
>> brand new local currency.  This becomes a self-financing revolution to
>> create a bottom-up economy with self-sufficiency, and self-government.
>> No waiting, voting, or asking permission from the corrupt.  You can
>> learn how you can benefit from Hours as an individual, or business. We
>> have set up 5 local, currency systems in 8 months. Each can trade with
>> one another, and none support big-box stores. �The People are the
>> gold, and can create a more abundant future immediately!� Wayne
>> Walton  http://www.milehighhours.com/
>>
>> Money, Public Banking, and Global Transformation �
>> In this workshop, we will examine the following: Money is ubiquitous,
>> but few people understand what it really is and how control over its
>> creation and availability affects global, local, and individual
>> conditions. Clarity, regarding what money is, enables us to transform
>> the monetary system so that it serves people, rather than the other
>> way around, which is currently the case. The transformation process
>> requires, at a minimum, three initiatives: public banking; verifiable
>> voting and public-only campaign financing; and decentralized media
>> ownership. Robert Bows  http://publicbankinginstitute.org/
>>
>> Open Forum: 12:30pm
>> Time to brainstorm and choose the next step for our community.
>>
>> Please bring a healthy dish to share, if unable, please come anyway
>
>"We ask that the government undertake the obligation
>above all of providing citizens with adequate
>opportunity for employment and earning a living.
>The activities of the individual must not be allowed
>to clash with the interests of the community, but must
>take place within its confines and be for the good of
>all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the
>financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big
>business. We demand a broad extension of care for the
>aged. We demand... the greatest possible consideration
>of small business in the purchases of national, state,
>and municipal governments. In order to make possible
>to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment
>of higher education and thus the achievement of a post
>of leadership, the government must provide an all-
>around enlargement of our entire system of public
>education... We demand the education at government
>expense of gifted children of poor parents... The
>government must undertake the improvement of public
>health by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting
>child labor... by the greatest possible support for
>all clubs concerned with the physical education of
>youth. We combat the... materialistic spirit within
>and without us, and are convinced that a permanent
>recovery of our people can only proceed from within
>on the foundation of the common good before the
>individual good."
>
Nothing changes.  So no matter what they do, no matter what they say,
no matter what they think, evil shall always prevail over this world.
Criminals shall always rule in this world.  Corruption shall always
defeat and kill incorruption, and lies shall always overwhelm truth.

Turns out it's due to the nature of the human race.  Individually
or in small numbers, humans can, on most occassions, do some good or
even a lot of good.  But as their numbers get larger in any common
pursuit, be it government, religion, money, or anything related to
the material world, evil quickly takes possession of it, chasing away
and outlawing whatever good might've instigated it.

Like OWS and other powerless protest groups, these "social forum"
people have no chance in hell of ever changing anything.  Evil lives
forever, and good is always punished for the evil that evildoers do,
and thus the good eventually dies never knowing any victory over the
evil which destroyed it.  It is only the naive and inexperienced, the
young and hopeful, that don't know that about this world -- yet.

-- 
Bub

Anonymous wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013, Lord Valve <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> chatnoir wrote:
>>
>>> http://occupydenver.org/119-explore-the-alternative-economy/
>>>
>>> When: Saturday, January 19th @ 9am
>>> Where: Kirk of Bonnie Brae, 1201 S. Steele Street, Denver, CO 80210
>>>
>>> The purpose of Social Forum is to organize, educate and empower people
>>> on critical issues; sharing knowledge; and teaching skills to build
>>> alternative and sustainable systems that better meet our human needs.
>>> Through the Social Forum model, individuals reflect on their own
>>> purpose and how to make a difference, and hopefully we can create the
>>> consciousness that we have the knowledge and skills and the power to
>>> create the change we desire.
>>>
>>> Workshops: 9am to 12:30pm
>>> Worker Cooperatives � This workshop will discuss the Worker
>>> Cooperatives (employee-ownership model) which are business entities
>>> that are owned and operated by their employees. It creates a
>>> sustainable economy, stable, and non-competitive jobs that can�t be
>>> sold out, and that build community. Bill Kirton & Dick Peterson
>>> http://www.rmeoc.org/
>>>
>>> Alternative Currency � In this workshop, we will explore Denver�s
>>> brand new local currency.  This becomes a self-financing revolution to
>>> create a bottom-up economy with self-sufficiency, and self-government.
>>> No waiting, voting, or asking permission from the corrupt.  You can
>>> learn how you can benefit from Hours as an individual, or business. We
>>> have set up 5 local, currency systems in 8 months. Each can trade with
>>> one another, and none support big-box stores. �The People are the
>>> gold, and can create a more abundant future immediately!� Wayne
>>> Walton  http://www.milehighhours.com/
>>>
>>> Money, Public Banking, and Global Transformation �
>>> In this workshop, we will examine the following: Money is ubiquitous,
>>> but few people understand what it really is and how control over its
>>> creation and availability affects global, local, and individual
>>> conditions. Clarity, regarding what money is, enables us to transform
>>> the monetary system so that it serves people, rather than the other
>>> way around, which is currently the case. The transformation process
>>> requires, at a minimum, three initiatives: public banking; verifiable
>>> voting and public-only campaign financing; and decentralized media
>>> ownership. Robert Bows  http://publicbankinginstitute.org/
>>>
>>> Open Forum: 12:30pm
>>> Time to brainstorm and choose the next step for our community.
>>>
>>> Please bring a healthy dish to share, if unable, please come anyway
>>
>> "We ask that the government undertake the obligation
>> above all of providing citizens with adequate
>> opportunity for employment and earning a living.
>> The activities of the individual must not be allowed
>> to clash with the interests of the community, but must
>> take place within its confines and be for the good of
>> all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the
>> financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big
>> business. We demand a broad extension of care for the
>> aged. We demand... the greatest possible consideration
>> of small business in the purchases of national, state,
>> and municipal governments. In order to make possible
>> to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment
>> of higher education and thus the achievement of a post
>> of leadership, the government must provide an all-
>> around enlargement of our entire system of public
>> education... We demand the education at government
>> expense of gifted children of poor parents... The
>> government must undertake the improvement of public
>> health by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting
>> child labor... by the greatest possible support for
>> all clubs concerned with the physical education of
>> youth. We combat the... materialistic spirit within
>> and without us, and are convinced that a permanent
>> recovery of our people can only proceed from within
>> on the foundation of the common good before the
>> individual good."
>>
> Nothing changes.  So no matter what they do, no matter what they say,
> no matter what they think, evil shall always prevail over this world.
> Criminals shall always rule in this world.  Corruption shall always
> defeat and kill incorruption, and lies shall always overwhelm truth.
>
> Turns out it's due to the nature of the human race.  Individually
> or in small numbers, humans can, on most occassions, do some good or
> even a lot of good.  But as their numbers get larger in any common
> pursuit, be it government, religion, money, or anything related to
> the material world, evil quickly takes possession of it, chasing away
> and outlawing whatever good might've instigated it.
>
> Like OWS and other powerless protest groups, these "social forum"
> people have no chance in hell of ever changing anything.  Evil lives
> forever, and good is always punished for the evil that evildoers do,
> and thus the good eventually dies never knowing any victory over the
> evil which destroyed it.  It is only the naive and inexperienced, the
> young and hopeful, that don't know that about this world -- yet.
>
Human nature, no safe haven in the collective.

Lord Valve wrote:

> chatnoir wrote:
>
> > http://occupydenver.org/119-explore-the-alternative-economy/
> >
> > When: Saturday, January 19th @ 9am
> > Where: Kirk of Bonnie Brae, 1201 S. Steele Street, Denver, CO 80210
> >
> > The purpose of Social Forum is to organize, educate and empower people
> > on critical issues; sharing knowledge; and teaching skills to build
> > alternative and sustainable systems that better meet our human needs.
> > Through the Social Forum model, individuals reflect on their own
> > purpose and how to make a difference, and hopefully we can create the
> > consciousness that we have the knowledge and skills and the power to
> > create the change we desire.
> >
> > Workshops: 9am to 12:30pm
> > Worker Cooperatives � This workshop will discuss the Worker
> > Cooperatives (employee-ownership model) which are business entities
> > that are owned and operated by their employees. It creates a
> > sustainable economy, stable, and non-competitive jobs that can�t be
> > sold out, and that build community. Bill Kirton & Dick Peterson
> > http://www.rmeoc.org/
> >
> > Alternative Currency � In this workshop, we will explore Denver�s
> > brand new local currency.  This becomes a self-financing revolution to
> > create a bottom-up economy with self-sufficiency, and self-government.
> > No waiting, voting, or asking permission from the corrupt.  You can
> > learn how you can benefit from Hours as an individual, or business. We
> > have set up 5 local, currency systems in 8 months. Each can trade with
> > one another, and none support big-box stores. �The People are the
> > gold, and can create a more abundant future immediately!� Wayne
> > Walton  http://www.milehighhours.com/
> >
> > Money, Public Banking, and Global Transformation �
> > In this workshop, we will examine the following: Money is ubiquitous,
> > but few people understand what it really is and how control over its
> > creation and availability affects global, local, and individual
> > conditions. Clarity, regarding what money is, enables us to transform
> > the monetary system so that it serves people, rather than the other
> > way around, which is currently the case. The transformation process
> > requires, at a minimum, three initiatives: public banking; verifiable
> > voting and public-only campaign financing; and decentralized media
> > ownership. Robert Bows  http://publicbankinginstitute.org/
> >
> > Open Forum: 12:30pm
> > Time to brainstorm and choose the next step for our community.
> >
> > Please bring a healthy dish to share, if unable, please come anyway
>
> "We ask that the government undertake the obligation
> above all of providing citizens with adequate
> opportunity for employment and earning a living.
> The activities of the individual must not be allowed
> to clash with the interests of the community, but must
> take place within its confines and be for the good of
> all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the
> financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big
> business. We demand a broad extension of care for the
> aged. We demand... the greatest possible consideration
> of small business in the purchases of national, state,
> and municipal governments. In order to make possible
> to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment
> of higher education and thus the achievement of a post
> of leadership, the government must provide an all-
> around enlargement of our entire system of public
> education... We demand the education at government
> expense of gifted children of poor parents... The
> government must undertake the improvement of public
> health by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting
> child labor... by the greatest possible support for
> all clubs concerned with the physical education of
> youth. We combat the... materialistic spirit within
> and without us, and are convinced that a permanent
> recovery of our people can only proceed from within
> on the foundation of the common good before the
> individual good."

Woops, forgot to add the attribution:

- Nazi Party policy statement, Munich, February 1920.

Sounds a whole lot like the nonsense the Sidewalk Shitters
spew, doesn't it?  ;-)

Lord Valve
unHippie

Lord Valve wrote:
> Lord Valve wrote:
>
>> chatnoir wrote:
>>
>>> http://occupydenver.org/119-explore-the-alternative-economy/
>>>
>>> When: Saturday, January 19th @ 9am
>>> Where: Kirk of Bonnie Brae, 1201 S. Steele Street, Denver, CO 80210
>>>
>>> The purpose of Social Forum is to organize, educate and empower people
>>> on critical issues; sharing knowledge; and teaching skills to build
>>> alternative and sustainable systems that better meet our human needs.
>>> Through the Social Forum model, individuals reflect on their own
>>> purpose and how to make a difference, and hopefully we can create the
>>> consciousness that we have the knowledge and skills and the power to
>>> create the change we desire.
>>>
>>> Workshops: 9am to 12:30pm
>>> Worker Cooperatives � This workshop will discuss the Worker
>>> Cooperatives (employee-ownership model) which are business entities
>>> that are owned and operated by their employees. It creates a
>>> sustainable economy, stable, and non-competitive jobs that can�t be
>>> sold out, and that build community. Bill Kirton & Dick Peterson
>>> http://www.rmeoc.org/
>>>
>>> Alternative Currency � In this workshop, we will explore Denver�s
>>> brand new local currency.  This becomes a self-financing revolution to
>>> create a bottom-up economy with self-sufficiency, and self-government.
>>> No waiting, voting, or asking permission from the corrupt.  You can
>>> learn how you can benefit from Hours as an individual, or business. We
>>> have set up 5 local, currency systems in 8 months. Each can trade with
>>> one another, and none support big-box stores. �The People are the
>>> gold, and can create a more abundant future immediately!� Wayne
>>> Walton  http://www.milehighhours.com/
>>>
>>> Money, Public Banking, and Global Transformation �
>>> In this workshop, we will examine the following: Money is ubiquitous,
>>> but few people understand what it really is and how control over its
>>> creation and availability affects global, local, and individual
>>> conditions. Clarity, regarding what money is, enables us to transform
>>> the monetary system so that it serves people, rather than the other
>>> way around, which is currently the case. The transformation process
>>> requires, at a minimum, three initiatives: public banking; verifiable
>>> voting and public-only campaign financing; and decentralized media
>>> ownership. Robert Bows  http://publicbankinginstitute.org/
>>>
>>> Open Forum: 12:30pm
>>> Time to brainstorm and choose the next step for our community.
>>>
>>> Please bring a healthy dish to share, if unable, please come anyway
>>
>> "We ask that the government undertake the obligation
>> above all of providing citizens with adequate
>> opportunity for employment and earning a living.
>> The activities of the individual must not be allowed
>> to clash with the interests of the community, but must
>> take place within its confines and be for the good of
>> all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the
>> financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big
>> business. We demand a broad extension of care for the
>> aged. We demand... the greatest possible consideration
>> of small business in the purchases of national, state,
>> and municipal governments. In order to make possible
>> to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment
>> of higher education and thus the achievement of a post
>> of leadership, the government must provide an all-
>> around enlargement of our entire system of public
>> education... We demand the education at government
>> expense of gifted children of poor parents... The
>> government must undertake the improvement of public
>> health by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting
>> child labor... by the greatest possible support for
>> all clubs concerned with the physical education of
>> youth. We combat the... materialistic spirit within
>> and without us, and are convinced that a permanent
>> recovery of our people can only proceed from within
>> on the foundation of the common good before the
>> individual good."
>
> Woops, forgot to add the attribution:
>
> - Nazi Party policy statement, Munich, February 1920.
>
> Sounds a whole lot like the nonsense the Sidewalk Shitters
> spew, doesn't it?  ;-)
>
> Lord Valve
> unHippie
>
>
Word for word almost...

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013, nelson rocketfella <alt.dev@null.se> wrote:

>Lord Valve wrote:
>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>
>>> chatnoir wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://occupydenver.org/119-explore-the-alternative-economy/
>>>>
>>>> When: Saturday, January 19th @ 9am
>>>> Where: Kirk of Bonnie Brae, 1201 S. Steele Street, Denver, CO 80210
>>>>
>>>> The purpose of Social Forum is to organize, educate and empower people
>>>> on critical issues; sharing knowledge; and teaching skills to build
>>>> alternative and sustainable systems that better meet our human needs.
>>>> Through the Social Forum model, individuals reflect on their own
>>>> purpose and how to make a difference, and hopefully we can create the
>>>> consciousness that we have the knowledge and skills and the power to
>>>> create the change we desire.
>>>>
>>>> Workshops: 9am to 12:30pm
>>>> Worker Cooperatives � This workshop will discuss the Worker
>>>> Cooperatives (employee-ownership model) which are business entities
>>>> that are owned and operated by their employees. It creates a
>>>> sustainable economy, stable, and non-competitive jobs that can�t be
>>>> sold out, and that build community. Bill Kirton & Dick Peterson
>>>> http://www.rmeoc.org/
>>>>
>>>> Alternative Currency � In this workshop, we will explore Denver�s
>>>> brand new local currency.  This becomes a self-financing revolution to
>>>> create a bottom-up economy with self-sufficiency, and self-government.
>>>> No waiting, voting, or asking permission from the corrupt.  You can
>>>> learn how you can benefit from Hours as an individual, or business. We
>>>> have set up 5 local, currency systems in 8 months. Each can trade with
>>>> one another, and none support big-box stores. �The People are the
>>>> gold, and can create a more abundant future immediately!� Wayne
>>>> Walton  http://www.milehighhours.com/
>>>>
>>>> Money, Public Banking, and Global Transformation �
>>>> In this workshop, we will examine the following: Money is ubiquitous,
>>>> but few people understand what it really is and how control over its
>>>> creation and availability affects global, local, and individual
>>>> conditions. Clarity, regarding what money is, enables us to transform
>>>> the monetary system so that it serves people, rather than the other
>>>> way around, which is currently the case. The transformation process
>>>> requires, at a minimum, three initiatives: public banking; verifiable
>>>> voting and public-only campaign financing; and decentralized media
>>>> ownership. Robert Bows  http://publicbankinginstitute.org/
>>>>
>>>> Open Forum: 12:30pm
>>>> Time to brainstorm and choose the next step for our community.
>>>>
>>>> Please bring a healthy dish to share, if unable, please come anyway
>>>
>>> "We ask that the government undertake the obligation
>>> above all of providing citizens with adequate
>>> opportunity for employment and earning a living.
>>> The activities of the individual must not be allowed
>>> to clash with the interests of the community, but must
>>> take place within its confines and be for the good of
>>> all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the
>>> financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big
>>> business. We demand a broad extension of care for the
>>> aged. We demand... the greatest possible consideration
>>> of small business in the purchases of national, state,
>>> and municipal governments. In order to make possible
>>> to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment
>>> of higher education and thus the achievement of a post
>>> of leadership, the government must provide an all-
>>> around enlargement of our entire system of public
>>> education... We demand the education at government
>>> expense of gifted children of poor parents... The
>>> government must undertake the improvement of public
>>> health by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting
>>> child labor... by the greatest possible support for
>>> all clubs concerned with the physical education of
>>> youth. We combat the... materialistic spirit within
>>> and without us, and are convinced that a permanent
>>> recovery of our people can only proceed from within
>>> on the foundation of the common good before the
>>> individual good."
>>
>> Woops, forgot to add the attribution:
>>
>> - Nazi Party policy statement, Munich, February 1920.
>>
>> Sounds a whole lot like the nonsense the Sidewalk Shitters
>> spew, doesn't it?  ;-)
>>
>> Lord Valve
>> unHippie
>>
>>
>Word for word almost...
>

Protests are useless against governments.  Governments always win,
and protestors always fail.  There is no fighting against city hall.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is putting themselves into harm's way.
Government would just as soon kill you as look at you.  And that is
because government can do anything they want, at any time they want,
with impunity.  Government isn't accountable to anyone.  Government
is what religious fanatics call "God."

Protest movements of any variety, or those pursuing any cause, are
born of a cult following.  Some charismatic leader comes along and,
through cleverly-crafted lies and deceit of the most insidious and
subtle sort, convinces unwary and inexperienced humans within his,
her, or their, confidence that beneficial change is possible without
wholesale genocidal bloodshed and pandemic tragedy killing and ruining
everyone and everything in their path, -- and then some, --provoking
ten-fold retaliation if not vastly more, e.g., Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Rarely does evil die quietly or go gently into that good night.  Take
one evildoer out and there will be a thousand more to take his place.
Evil always wins.  Kindness, gentleness, honesty, generosity, good
will, has always been a losing proposition against evildoers.

The enemy cannot be defeated one by one nor several by several.  It
is only through self-sacrifice and the most lethal methods available,
say cutting-edge, totally scientific state of the art germ warfare,
that the enemy can be utterly and thoroughly destroyed.  Short of that,
these young and foolish protesters are merely wasting not only their
own time, but also the time of government agents whom are tasked with
co-opting, subduing and frustrating such feeble attempts at attacking
the unassailable, indomitable, forces of evil which rule this world.

Evil has always prevailed.  Anyone who fights against it will become
disappointed and disillusioned.  Best thing to do is avoid interaction
with evil like you'd avoid the plague.

-- 
Bub

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013, nelson rocketfella <alt.dev@null.se> wrote:

>Lord Valve wrote:
>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>
>>> chatnoir wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://occupydenver.org/119-explore-the-alternative-economy/
>>>>
>>>> When: Saturday, January 19th @ 9am
>>>> Where: Kirk of Bonnie Brae, 1201 S. Steele Street, Denver, CO 80210
>>>>
>>>> The purpose of Social Forum is to organize, educate and empower people
>>>> on critical issues; sharing knowledge; and teaching skills to build
>>>> alternative and sustainable systems that better meet our human needs.
>>>> Through the Social Forum model, individuals reflect on their own
>>>> purpose and how to make a difference, and hopefully we can create the
>>>> consciousness that we have the knowledge and skills and the power to
>>>> create the change we desire.
>>>>
>>>> Workshops: 9am to 12:30pm
>>>> Worker Cooperatives � This workshop will discuss the Worker
>>>> Cooperatives (employee-ownership model) which are business entities
>>>> that are owned and operated by their employees. It creates a
>>>> sustainable economy, stable, and non-competitive jobs that can�t be
>>>> sold out, and that build community. Bill Kirton & Dick Peterson
>>>> http://www.rmeoc.org/
>>>>
>>>> Alternative Currency � In this workshop, we will explore Denver�s
>>>> brand new local currency.  This becomes a self-financing revolution to
>>>> create a bottom-up economy with self-sufficiency, and self-government.
>>>> No waiting, voting, or asking permission from the corrupt.  You can
>>>> learn how you can benefit from Hours as an individual, or business. We
>>>> have set up 5 local, currency systems in 8 months. Each can trade with
>>>> one another, and none support big-box stores. �The People are the
>>>> gold, and can create a more abundant future immediately!� Wayne
>>>> Walton  http://www.milehighhours.com/
>>>>
>>>> Money, Public Banking, and Global Transformation �
>>>> In this workshop, we will examine the following: Money is ubiquitous,
>>>> but few people understand what it really is and how control over its
>>>> creation and availability affects global, local, and individual
>>>> conditions. Clarity, regarding what money is, enables us to transform
>>>> the monetary system so that it serves people, rather than the other
>>>> way around, which is currently the case. The transformation process
>>>> requires, at a minimum, three initiatives: public banking; verifiable
>>>> voting and public-only campaign financing; and decentralized media
>>>> ownership. Robert Bows  http://publicbankinginstitute.org/
>>>>
>>>> Open Forum: 12:30pm
>>>> Time to brainstorm and choose the next step for our community.
>>>>
>>>> Please bring a healthy dish to share, if unable, please come anyway
>>>
>>> "We ask that the government undertake the obligation
>>> above all of providing citizens with adequate
>>> opportunity for employment and earning a living.
>>> The activities of the individual must not be allowed
>>> to clash with the interests of the community, but must
>>> take place within its confines and be for the good of
>>> all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the
>>> financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big
>>> business. We demand a broad extension of care for the
>>> aged. We demand... the greatest possible consideration
>>> of small business in the purchases of national, state,
>>> and municipal governments. In order to make possible
>>> to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment
>>> of higher education and thus the achievement of a post
>>> of leadership, the government must provide an all-
>>> around enlargement of our entire system of public
>>> education... We demand the education at government
>>> expense of gifted children of poor parents... The
>>> government must undertake the improvement of public
>>> health by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting
>>> child labor... by the greatest possible support for
>>> all clubs concerned with the physical education of
>>> youth. We combat the... materialistic spirit within
>>> and without us, and are convinced that a permanent
>>> recovery of our people can only proceed from within
>>> on the foundation of the common good before the
>>> individual good."
>>
>> Woops, forgot to add the attribution:
>>
>> - Nazi Party policy statement, Munich, February 1920.
>>
>> Sounds a whole lot like the nonsense the Sidewalk Shitters
>> spew, doesn't it?  ;-)
>>
>> Lord Valve
>> unHippie
>>
>>
>Word for word almost...
>

Protests are useless against governments.  Governments always win,
and protestors always fail.  There is no fighting against city hall.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is putting themselves into harm's way.
Government would just as soon kill you as look at you.  And that is
because government can do anything they want, at any time they want,
with impunity.  Government isn't accountable to anyone.  Government
is what religious fanatics call "God."

Protest movements of any variety, or those pursuing any cause, are
born of a cult following.  Some charismatic leader comes along and,
through cleverly-crafted lies and deceit of the most insidious and
subtle sort, convinces unwary and inexperienced humans within his,
her, or their, confidence that beneficial change is possible without
wholesale genocidal bloodshed and pandemic tragedy killing and ruining
everyone and everything in their path, -- and then some, --provoking
ten-fold retaliation if not vastly more, e.g., Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Rarely does evil die quietly or go gently into that good night.  Take
one evildoer out and there will be a thousand more to take his place.
Evil always wins.  Kindness, gentleness, honesty, generosity, good
will, has always been a losing proposition against evildoers.

The enemy cannot be defeated one by one nor several by several.  It
is only through self-sacrifice and the most lethal methods available,
say cutting-edge, totally scientific state of the art germ warfare,
that the enemy can be utterly and thoroughly destroyed.  Short of that,
these young and foolish protesters are merely wasting not only their
own time, but also the time of government agents whom are tasked with
co-opting, subduing and frustrating such feeble attempts at attacking
the unassailable, indomitable, forces of evil which rule this world.

Evil has always prevailed.  Anyone who fights against it will become
disappointed and disillusioned.  Best thing to do is avoid interaction
with evil like you'd avoid the plague.

-- 
Bub

Dave U. Random wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013, nelson rocketfella <alt.dev@null.se> wrote:
>
>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>>
>>>> chatnoir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://occupydenver.org/119-explore-the-alternative-economy/
>>>>>
>>>>> When: Saturday, January 19th @ 9am
>>>>> Where: Kirk of Bonnie Brae, 1201 S. Steele Street, Denver, CO 80210
>>>>>
>>>>> The purpose of Social Forum is to organize, educate and empower people
>>>>> on critical issues; sharing knowledge; and teaching skills to build
>>>>> alternative and sustainable systems that better meet our human needs.
>>>>> Through the Social Forum model, individuals reflect on their own
>>>>> purpose and how to make a difference, and hopefully we can create the
>>>>> consciousness that we have the knowledge and skills and the power to
>>>>> create the change we desire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Workshops: 9am to 12:30pm
>>>>> Worker Cooperatives � This workshop will discuss the Worker
>>>>> Cooperatives (employee-ownership model) which are business entities
>>>>> that are owned and operated by their employees. It creates a
>>>>> sustainable economy, stable, and non-competitive jobs that can�t be
>>>>> sold out, and that build community. Bill Kirton & Dick Peterson
>>>>> http://www.rmeoc.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Alternative Currency � In this workshop, we will explore Denver�s
>>>>> brand new local currency.  This becomes a self-financing revolution to
>>>>> create a bottom-up economy with self-sufficiency, and self-government.
>>>>> No waiting, voting, or asking permission from the corrupt.  You can
>>>>> learn how you can benefit from Hours as an individual, or business. We
>>>>> have set up 5 local, currency systems in 8 months. Each can trade with
>>>>> one another, and none support big-box stores. �The People are the
>>>>> gold, and can create a more abundant future immediately!� Wayne
>>>>> Walton  http://www.milehighhours.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Money, Public Banking, and Global Transformation �
>>>>> In this workshop, we will examine the following: Money is ubiquitous,
>>>>> but few people understand what it really is and how control over its
>>>>> creation and availability affects global, local, and individual
>>>>> conditions. Clarity, regarding what money is, enables us to transform
>>>>> the monetary system so that it serves people, rather than the other
>>>>> way around, which is currently the case. The transformation process
>>>>> requires, at a minimum, three initiatives: public banking; verifiable
>>>>> voting and public-only campaign financing; and decentralized media
>>>>> ownership. Robert Bows  http://publicbankinginstitute.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Open Forum: 12:30pm
>>>>> Time to brainstorm and choose the next step for our community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please bring a healthy dish to share, if unable, please come anyway
>>>>
>>>> "We ask that the government undertake the obligation
>>>> above all of providing citizens with adequate
>>>> opportunity for employment and earning a living.
>>>> The activities of the individual must not be allowed
>>>> to clash with the interests of the community, but must
>>>> take place within its confines and be for the good of
>>>> all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the
>>>> financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big
>>>> business. We demand a broad extension of care for the
>>>> aged. We demand... the greatest possible consideration
>>>> of small business in the purchases of national, state,
>>>> and municipal governments. In order to make possible
>>>> to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment
>>>> of higher education and thus the achievement of a post
>>>> of leadership, the government must provide an all-
>>>> around enlargement of our entire system of public
>>>> education... We demand the education at government
>>>> expense of gifted children of poor parents... The
>>>> government must undertake the improvement of public
>>>> health by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting
>>>> child labor... by the greatest possible support for
>>>> all clubs concerned with the physical education of
>>>> youth. We combat the... materialistic spirit within
>>>> and without us, and are convinced that a permanent
>>>> recovery of our people can only proceed from within
>>>> on the foundation of the common good before the
>>>> individual good."
>>>
>>> Woops, forgot to add the attribution:
>>>
>>> - Nazi Party policy statement, Munich, February 1920.
>>>
>>> Sounds a whole lot like the nonsense the Sidewalk Shitters
>>> spew, doesn't it?  ;-)
>>>
>>> Lord Valve
>>> unHippie
>>>
>>>
>> Word for word almost...
>>
>
> Protests are useless against governments.  Governments always win,
> and protestors always fail.  There is no fighting against city hall.
> Anyone who thinks otherwise is putting themselves into harm's way.
> Government would just as soon kill you as look at you.  And that is
> because government can do anything they want, at any time they want,
> with impunity.  Government isn't accountable to anyone.  Government
> is what religious fanatics call "God."
>
> Protest movements of any variety, or those pursuing any cause, are
> born of a cult following.  Some charismatic leader comes along and,
> through cleverly-crafted lies and deceit of the most insidious and
> subtle sort, convinces unwary and inexperienced humans within his,
> her, or their, confidence that beneficial change is possible without
> wholesale genocidal bloodshed and pandemic tragedy killing and ruining
> everyone and everything in their path, -- and then some, --provoking
> ten-fold retaliation if not vastly more, e.g., Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
> Rarely does evil die quietly or go gently into that good night.  Take
> one evildoer out and there will be a thousand more to take his place.
> Evil always wins.  Kindness, gentleness, honesty, generosity, good
> will, has always been a losing proposition against evildoers.
>
> The enemy cannot be defeated one by one nor several by several.  It
> is only through self-sacrifice and the most lethal methods available,
> say cutting-edge, totally scientific state of the art germ warfare,
> that the enemy can be utterly and thoroughly destroyed.  Short of that,
> these young and foolish protesters are merely wasting not only their
> own time, but also the time of government agents whom are tasked with
> co-opting, subduing and frustrating such feeble attempts at attacking
> the unassailable, indomitable, forces of evil which rule this world.
>
> Evil has always prevailed.  Anyone who fights against it will become
> disappointed and disillusioned.  Best thing to do is avoid interaction
> with evil like you'd avoid the plague.
>
A depressing but still realistic read on things.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2013, nelson rocketfella <alt.dev@null.se> wrote:
>Dave U. Random wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013, nelson rocketfella <alt.dev@null.se> wrote:
>>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>>>> chatnoir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://occupydenver.org/119-explore-the-alternative-economy/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When: Saturday, January 19th @ 9am
>>>>>> Where: Kirk of Bonnie Brae, 1201 S. Steele Street, Denver, CO 80210
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The purpose of Social Forum is to organize, educate and empower people
>>>>>> on critical issues; sharing knowledge; and teaching skills to build
>>>>>> alternative and sustainable systems that better meet our human needs.
>>>>>> Through the Social Forum model, individuals reflect on their own
>>>>>> purpose and how to make a difference, and hopefully we can create the
>>>>>> consciousness that we have the knowledge and skills and the power to
>>>>>> create the change we desire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Workshops: 9am to 12:30pm
>>>>>> Worker Cooperatives � This workshop will discuss the Worker
>>>>>> Cooperatives (employee-ownership model) which are business entities
>>>>>> that are owned and operated by their employees. It creates a
>>>>>> sustainable economy, stable, and non-competitive jobs that can�t be
>>>>>> sold out, and that build community. Bill Kirton & Dick Peterson
>>>>>> http://www.rmeoc.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alternative Currency � In this workshop, we will explore Denver�s
>>>>>> brand new local currency.  This becomes a self-financing revolution to
>>>>>> create a bottom-up economy with self-sufficiency, and self-government.
>>>>>> No waiting, voting, or asking permission from the corrupt.  You can
>>>>>> learn how you can benefit from Hours as an individual, or business. We
>>>>>> have set up 5 local, currency systems in 8 months. Each can trade with
>>>>>> one another, and none support big-box stores. �The People are the
>>>>>> gold, and can create a more abundant future immediately!� Wayne
>>>>>> Walton  http://www.milehighhours.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Money, Public Banking, and Global Transformation �
>>>>>> In this workshop, we will examine the following: Money is ubiquitous,
>>>>>> but few people understand what it really is and how control over its
>>>>>> creation and availability affects global, local, and individual
>>>>>> conditions. Clarity, regarding what money is, enables us to transform
>>>>>> the monetary system so that it serves people, rather than the other
>>>>>> way around, which is currently the case. The transformation process
>>>>>> requires, at a minimum, three initiatives: public banking; verifiable
>>>>>> voting and public-only campaign financing; and decentralized media
>>>>>> ownership. Robert Bows  http://publicbankinginstitute.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Open Forum: 12:30pm
>>>>>> Time to brainstorm and choose the next step for our community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please bring a healthy dish to share, if unable, please come anyway
>>>>>
>>>>> "We ask that the government undertake the obligation
>>>>> above all of providing citizens with adequate
>>>>> opportunity for employment and earning a living.
>>>>> The activities of the individual must not be allowed
>>>>> to clash with the interests of the community, but must
>>>>> take place within its confines and be for the good of
>>>>> all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the
>>>>> financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big
>>>>> business. We demand a broad extension of care for the
>>>>> aged. We demand... the greatest possible consideration
>>>>> of small business in the purchases of national, state,
>>>>> and municipal governments. In order to make possible
>>>>> to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment
>>>>> of higher education and thus the achievement of a post
>>>>> of leadership, the government must provide an all-
>>>>> around enlargement of our entire system of public
>>>>> education... We demand the education at government
>>>>> expense of gifted children of poor parents... The
>>>>> government must undertake the improvement of public
>>>>> health by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting
>>>>> child labor... by the greatest possible support for
>>>>> all clubs concerned with the physical education of
>>>>> youth. We combat the... materialistic spirit within
>>>>> and without us, and are convinced that a permanent
>>>>> recovery of our people can only proceed from within
>>>>> on the foundation of the common good before the
>>>>> individual good."
>>>>
>>>> Woops, forgot to add the attribution:
>>>>
>>>> - Nazi Party policy statement, Munich, February 1920.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds a whole lot like the nonsense the Sidewalk Shitters
>>>> spew, doesn't it?  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Lord Valve
>>>> unHippie
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Word for word almost...
>>>
>>
>> Protests are useless against governments.  Governments always win,
>> and protestors always fail.  There is no fighting against city hall.
>> Anyone who thinks otherwise is putting themselves into harm's way.
>> Government would just as soon kill you as look at you.  And that is
>> because government can do anything they want, at any time they want,
>> with impunity.  Government isn't accountable to anyone.  Government
>> is what religious fanatics call "God."
>>
>> Protest movements of any variety, or those pursuing any cause, are
>> born of a cult following.  Some charismatic leader comes along and,
>> through cleverly-crafted lies and deceit of the most insidious and
>> subtle sort, convinces unwary and inexperienced humans within his,
>> her, or their, confidence that beneficial change is possible without
>> wholesale genocidal bloodshed and pandemic tragedy killing and ruining
>> everyone and everything in their path, -- and then some, --provoking
>> ten-fold retaliation if not vastly more, e.g., Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>> Rarely does evil die quietly or go gently into that good night.  Take
>> one evildoer out and there will be a thousand more to take his place.
>> Evil always wins.  Kindness, gentleness, honesty, generosity, good
>> will, has always been a losing proposition against evildoers.
>>
>> The enemy cannot be defeated one by one nor several by several.  It
>> is only through self-sacrifice and the most lethal methods available,
>> say cutting-edge, totally scientific state of the art germ warfare,
>> that the enemy can be utterly and thoroughly destroyed.  Short of that,
>> these young and foolish protesters are merely wasting not only their
>> own time, but also the time of government agents whom are tasked with
>> co-opting, subduing and frustrating such feeble attempts at attacking
>> the unassailable, indomitable, forces of evil which rule this world.
>>
>> Evil has always prevailed.  Anyone who fights against it will become
>> disappointed and disillusioned.  Best thing to do is avoid interaction
>> with evil like you'd avoid the plague.
>>
>A depressing but still realistic read on things.

There are a lot of good things about this world, but government,
religion, and their bastard child money, just don't happen to be one
of them.

-- 
Bub

Dave U. Random wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013, nelson rocketfella <alt.dev@null.se> wrote:
>> Dave U. Random wrote:
>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013, nelson rocketfella <alt.dev@null.se> wrote:
>>>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>>>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>>>>> chatnoir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://occupydenver.org/119-explore-the-alternative-economy/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When: Saturday, January 19th @ 9am
>>>>>>> Where: Kirk of Bonnie Brae, 1201 S. Steele Street, Denver, CO 80210
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The purpose of Social Forum is to organize, educate and empower people
>>>>>>> on critical issues; sharing knowledge; and teaching skills to build
>>>>>>> alternative and sustainable systems that better meet our human needs.
>>>>>>> Through the Social Forum model, individuals reflect on their own
>>>>>>> purpose and how to make a difference, and hopefully we can create the
>>>>>>> consciousness that we have the knowledge and skills and the power to
>>>>>>> create the change we desire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Workshops: 9am to 12:30pm
>>>>>>> Worker Cooperatives � This workshop will discuss the Worker
>>>>>>> Cooperatives (employee-ownership model) which are business entities
>>>>>>> that are owned and operated by their employees. It creates a
>>>>>>> sustainable economy, stable, and non-competitive jobs that can�t be
>>>>>>> sold out, and that build community. Bill Kirton & Dick Peterson
>>>>>>> http://www.rmeoc.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alternative Currency � In this workshop, we will explore Denver�s
>>>>>>> brand new local currency.  This becomes a self-financing revolution to
>>>>>>> create a bottom-up economy with self-sufficiency, and self-government.
>>>>>>> No waiting, voting, or asking permission from the corrupt.  You can
>>>>>>> learn how you can benefit from Hours as an individual, or business. We
>>>>>>> have set up 5 local, currency systems in 8 months. Each can trade with
>>>>>>> one another, and none support big-box stores. �The People are the
>>>>>>> gold, and can create a more abundant future immediately!� Wayne
>>>>>>> Walton  http://www.milehighhours.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Money, Public Banking, and Global Transformation �
>>>>>>> In this workshop, we will examine the following: Money is ubiquitous,
>>>>>>> but few people understand what it really is and how control over its
>>>>>>> creation and availability affects global, local, and individual
>>>>>>> conditions. Clarity, regarding what money is, enables us to transform
>>>>>>> the monetary system so that it serves people, rather than the other
>>>>>>> way around, which is currently the case. The transformation process
>>>>>>> requires, at a minimum, three initiatives: public banking; verifiable
>>>>>>> voting and public-only campaign financing; and decentralized media
>>>>>>> ownership. Robert Bows  http://publicbankinginstitute.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Open Forum: 12:30pm
>>>>>>> Time to brainstorm and choose the next step for our community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please bring a healthy dish to share, if unable, please come anyway
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We ask that the government undertake the obligation
>>>>>> above all of providing citizens with adequate
>>>>>> opportunity for employment and earning a living.
>>>>>> The activities of the individual must not be allowed
>>>>>> to clash with the interests of the community, but must
>>>>>> take place within its confines and be for the good of
>>>>>> all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the
>>>>>> financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big
>>>>>> business. We demand a broad extension of care for the
>>>>>> aged. We demand... the greatest possible consideration
>>>>>> of small business in the purchases of national, state,
>>>>>> and municipal governments. In order to make possible
>>>>>> to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment
>>>>>> of higher education and thus the achievement of a post
>>>>>> of leadership, the government must provide an all-
>>>>>> around enlargement of our entire system of public
>>>>>> education... We demand the education at government
>>>>>> expense of gifted children of poor parents... The
>>>>>> government must undertake the improvement of public
>>>>>> health by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting
>>>>>> child labor... by the greatest possible support for
>>>>>> all clubs concerned with the physical education of
>>>>>> youth. We combat the... materialistic spirit within
>>>>>> and without us, and are convinced that a permanent
>>>>>> recovery of our people can only proceed from within
>>>>>> on the foundation of the common good before the
>>>>>> individual good."
>>>>>
>>>>> Woops, forgot to add the attribution:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Nazi Party policy statement, Munich, February 1920.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds a whole lot like the nonsense the Sidewalk Shitters
>>>>> spew, doesn't it?  ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Lord Valve
>>>>> unHippie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Word for word almost...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Protests are useless against governments.  Governments always win,
>>> and protestors always fail.  There is no fighting against city hall.
>>> Anyone who thinks otherwise is putting themselves into harm's way.
>>> Government would just as soon kill you as look at you.  And that is
>>> because government can do anything they want, at any time they want,
>>> with impunity.  Government isn't accountable to anyone.  Government
>>> is what religious fanatics call "God."
>>>
>>> Protest movements of any variety, or those pursuing any cause, are
>>> born of a cult following.  Some charismatic leader comes along and,
>>> through cleverly-crafted lies and deceit of the most insidious and
>>> subtle sort, convinces unwary and inexperienced humans within his,
>>> her, or their, confidence that beneficial change is possible without
>>> wholesale genocidal bloodshed and pandemic tragedy killing and ruining
>>> everyone and everything in their path, -- and then some, --provoking
>>> ten-fold retaliation if not vastly more, e.g., Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>> Rarely does evil die quietly or go gently into that good night.  Take
>>> one evildoer out and there will be a thousand more to take his place.
>>> Evil always wins.  Kindness, gentleness, honesty, generosity, good
>>> will, has always been a losing proposition against evildoers.
>>>
>>> The enemy cannot be defeated one by one nor several by several.  It
>>> is only through self-sacrifice and the most lethal methods available,
>>> say cutting-edge, totally scientific state of the art germ warfare,
>>> that the enemy can be utterly and thoroughly destroyed.  Short of that,
>>> these young and foolish protesters are merely wasting not only their
>>> own time, but also the time of government agents whom are tasked with
>>> co-opting, subduing and frustrating such feeble attempts at attacking
>>> the unassailable, indomitable, forces of evil which rule this world.
>>>
>>> Evil has always prevailed.  Anyone who fights against it will become
>>> disappointed and disillusioned.  Best thing to do is avoid interaction
>>> with evil like you'd avoid the plague.
>>>
>> A depressing but still realistic read on things.
>
> There are a lot of good things about this world, but government,
> religion, and their bastard child money, just don't happen to be one
> of them.
>

You just described the unholy trinity, and the fuel for each - power.