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Mike Stephen wrote:
> 
> [...] 
> After booting up the CDROM, I went through most of the install
> with no problems until I came to the Druid for the drives.  I
> have rarely seen such a poorly described procedure. This is why
> Linux is abhorred by a great many computer users.
> [...]
>
    I, too, had trouble with the linux fdisk/druid/whatever. The problem
was that both the linux and os2 fdisk's either incorrectly wrote the
partition parameters, or were unable to repair them. I think it was
linux fdisk that messed it up; os2 fdisk just complained and refused to
even try to repair the mess.
    I ended up getting a DOS-based (!) program that could both locate
the error and correct it. Sheesh!


-- 
sma at sohnen-moe dot com

Agree totally David,  Mandrake is pretty cool BUT I am dissapointed in
Linux.  Its really shit to work with.  Every configuration is a nightmare
and requires you read a heap of unrelated material to get the info you
require.  User interfaces look nice work like Dogs.  Clunky old X Windows is
pretty crap in comparison to WPS

Craig

"David D. Huff Jr." wrote:

> Just a suggestion for *nix newbies, try Mandrake Linux for your first
> installation experience. It has the highest rating for ease of
> installation (LINUXFORMAT.CO.UK). There are three experience levels to
> choose from. Give me a 2Gig partition anywhere on your disk and I can
> have a server running on it in as little as 28 minutes.
>
> BTW - Using the advanced user settings you will be given the choice of 5
> levels of security medium should be high enough, high is for people who
> love pain and need long passwords (8+ characters) to feel safe.

On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:14:04 +1300, craig <benbowc@attglobal.net> wrote:

>Agree totally David,  Mandrake is pretty cool BUT I am dissapointed in
>Linux.

Hmm, well, I still think, although some people would disagree on that,
that Linux _is_ a ServerOS, so if you expect Clickie-clickie, you'll be
wrong with Linux.

The best combination is an X-Server for Windoze to use all
GUI-applications from my Linuxbox _within_ my Windowsbox (or vmware, if
you have enought Memory and only one computer).

>Its really shit to work with.  Every configuration is a nightmare

Are you using Mandrake? As it was mentioned before, it's easy to
install, but that's it. 

>and requires you read a heap of unrelated material to get the info you
>require.  User interfaces look nice work like Dogs.

I wouldn't say that. If you say unrelated, you mean manpages and HOWTOs?
And I must say, the U*ix commandline is a very powerful and easy to use
inmterface ;)

>Clunky old X Windows is [...]
            ^^^^^^^^^
Uuh, I sense a flameware ;), it's calles X-Window, without an "s"

Stefan
-- 
Der Horizont vieler Menschen ist ein Kreis mit Radius Null.
Und das nennen sie dann ihren Standpunkt.

craig wrote:
> 
> Agree totally David,  Mandrake is pretty cool BUT I am dissapointed in
> Linux.  Its really shit to work with.  Every configuration is a nightmare
> and requires you read a heap of unrelated material to get the info you
> require.  User interfaces look nice work like Dogs.  Clunky old X Windows is
> pretty crap in comparison to WPS
> 
> Craig
> 
> "David D. Huff Jr." wrote:
> 
> > Just a suggestion for *nix newbies, try Mandrake Linux for your first
> > installation experience. It has the highest rating for ease of
> > installation (LINUXFORMAT.CO.UK). There are three experience levels to
> > choose from. Give me a 2Gig partition anywhere on your disk and I can
> > have a server running on it in as little as 28 minutes.
> >
> > BTW - Using the advanced user settings you will be given the choice of 5
> > levels of security medium should be high enough, high is for people who
> > love pain and need long passwords (8+ characters) to feel safe.
No doubt it has a long way to go to get to the crispness of a WPS
application. It very much reminds me of Warp 2.11 thru Warp 3 prior to
FP6. As far a interaction between the interface and user.
And yes you are really on your own when it comes to configuring a new
application or getting one configured that was installed but not
configured during the OS install. The interdependencies between modules
and application are just unreal. Sometimes you have to backlevel several
applications just to install the current beta of a must-have
application.

Hi Mike:

   My experience is that I cannot trust Disk Druid.  I
preferably fdisk , add to Boot Manager, and format
partitions as FAT16 all from OS/2, then change the
partition type in Linux fdisk, before Disk Druid.  The
only thing I use Disk Druid for is to select the root
'/'.

baden


In <h2Hvy9VQtMnr-pn2-GZ9R9esGmmie@angn23cy32ch.bc.hsia.telus.net>, mikestp@telus.net (Mike Stephen) writes:
>My sister just arrived for a visit here in western Canada 
>(Vancouver) from Australia.  I asked her to bring me a copy of 
>the CDROM package that was included with the Australian Personal 
>Computer mag.  It has a copy of Warp 4, BEOS 5, And Redhat 6.2.
> 
>Well I tried to install Redhat 6.2 on my system. The way I have 
>it partitioned is as follows: 
>I have two physical drives. the first is a 13 gig IDE, the second
>is a 2 gig SCSI drive.
> 
>First partition is OS/2 boot manager  (takes up 7 megs)
>Second partition is a 2 gig primary FAT partition that had 
>Windows NT 4.0 on it
>Third partition is a 1 gig  primary partition that has Warp 4 on 
>it
>Fourth partition is a 6 gig data logical partition formatted with
>HPFS
>Fifth, sixth and seventh are HPFS logical partitions.
>Finally I have an old SCSI drive formatted HPFS of 2 gigs in 
>size.
> 
>After booting up the CDROM, I went through most of the install 
>with no problems until I came to the Druid for the drives.  I 
>have rarely seen such a poorly described procedure. This is why 
>Linux is abhorred by a great many computer users.  
> 
>When you are doing something as important as deleting partitions 
>there needs to be a far better description of what it is you are 
>doing.  Even I could write a better FDISK manager than the one in
>RedHat 6.2.  
> 
>The Disk Druid allowed me to delete the partition of 2 gigs that 
>used to have my NT 4.0 on it.  Although it did not tell me to do 
>so, after 10 mins I gathered that to make it format as a Linux 
>partition, I had to delete it first.  Now many of you out there 
>are now saying "so what, that is easy"  Well Let me tell you.  
>the FDISK Druid reports my Boot manager partition as partition 2,
>the NT partition as #3, the Warp partition as #4.  I can tell you
>it is unnerving to say the least when it comes to deleting 
>partitions, when the utility to help you determine what 
>partitions are what, is distinctly different than the actual 
>drive layout according to OS/2 Boot Manager.
> 
> Anyhow after doing that I was unable to choose to go to the next
>installation screen.  So after mucking about with no success, I 
>went and chose the FDISK option in the earlier setup screen. This
>at least allowed me a character based fdisk that was able to do a
>bit more.  However, after deleting the NT partition and adding a 
>new partition, and then "W"riting it to the disk, I was still 
>unable to go beyond to the next installation screen.  After a 
>further 20 mins of trying all sorts of other possibilities, I 
>gave up. At least the magazine also included a copy of Warp 4. So
>all is not lost.
> 
>I guess I can re-install a NT 4 or a Win 2000 on the now empty 2 
>gig partition.
> 
>BTW I have seen the similar screwups with Caldera, and Corel 
>Linux as well, so I assume they are all the same installation 
>code.
> 
>I can and do install FREEBSD over my DSL connection and this 
>works well.  It seems FREEBSD had no troubles with Boot Manager. 
>I wish the people writing the Linux installation would wake up!
> 
>This is precisely why Linux will never catch up to Windows (And 
>believe me I pray that it does).  It needs much improvement over 
>its current form.  I fear it will never get that needed 
>improvement until a big corp like Sun or IBM takes it on.  And 
>that will never happen because the Linux loonies will never let a
>mega Corp do anything with it.  
> 
>I actually suspect IBM is a bit at fault here with some screwups 
>in the OS/2 Boot Manager as well as the Linux crap.  But there 
>are millions of OS/2 users who have Boot Manager, and if the 
>Linux crowd does not understand how to make an installation work 
>with OS/2 boot manager, it only reflects the attitude I have 
>always suspected of Linux loonies.  
> 
>That is they are for the most part , happy with cloning the 
>Windows system.  In other words, the Windows crowd has eaten 
>porridge every day for their whole lives, and the windows 
>refugees who are leaving to go to Linux, are quite happy to 
>continue to eat porridge. After all it is the only thing they are
>familiar with and all they are aware of.  This is always the way 
>it will be.   OS/2 users on the other hand are more used to 
>eating off of a varied menu, and are reluctant to suffer with the
>same porridge.
> 
>Damm I wish IBM could separate the upper management from the 
>talented software writers, and hire the engineers to run the show
>instead of the current bean counters and idiot sales staff!
> 
> 
>From the Desk of Mike Stephen
>Micro$oft has performed an illegal operation,
> and will be shut down.
> 
>
>
>From the Desk of Mike Stephen
>Micro$oft has performed an illegal operation,
> and will be shut down.



baden@unixg.ubc.ca
http://baden.nu/
OS/2, Solaris & Linux

craig wrote:
> 
> Agree totally David,  Mandrake is pretty cool BUT I am dissapointed in
> Linux.  Its really shit to work with.  Every configuration is a nightmare
> and requires you read a heap of unrelated material to get the info you
> require.  User interfaces look nice work like Dogs.  Clunky old X Windows is
> pretty crap in comparison to WPS
> 
    Yes, unix has always been opaque to users and administrators alike.
That's why unix admins get the big bucks.
    Linux has only slightly improved the situation. I have been looking
for information on how to mount a tape drive (DAT dds2, scsi internal).
Of the two books on linux (over a 1000 pages each) there is a total of
one and a half pages on tape drives with no mention of how to mount one,
or what to do if mounting fails.
    Grrrr....

-- 
sma at rtd dot com

Just a suggestion for *nix newbies, try Mandrake Linux for your first
installation experience. It has the highest rating for ease of
installation (LINUXFORMAT.CO.UK). There are three experience levels to
choose from. Give me a 2Gig partition anywhere on your disk and I can
have a server running on it in as little as 28 minutes.

BTW - Using the advanced user settings you will be given the choice of 5
levels of security medium should be high enough, high is for people who
love pain and need long passwords (8+ characters) to feel safe.

I see many responses, but none of them addressed your real problem, so
I'll give it a shot.

Mike Stephen wrote:

> My sister just arrived for a visit here in western Canada
> (Vancouver) from Australia.  I asked her to bring me a copy of
> the CDROM package that was included with the Australian Personal
> Computer mag.  It has a copy of Warp 4, BEOS 5, And Redhat 6.2.
>
> Well I tried to install Redhat 6.2 on my system. The way I have
> it partitioned is as follows:
> I have two physical drives. the first is a 13 gig IDE, the second
> is a 2 gig SCSI drive.

Looking good so far...

>
> First partition is OS/2 boot manager  (takes up 7 megs)
> Second partition is a 2 gig primary FAT partition that had
> Windows NT 4.0 on it
> Third partition is a 1 gig  primary partition that has Warp 4 on
> it
> Fourth partition is a 6 gig data logical partition formatted with
> HPFS
> Fifth, sixth and seventh are HPFS logical partitions.
> Finally I have an old SCSI drive formatted HPFS of 2 gigs in
> size.
>
> After booting up the CDROM, I went through most of the install
> with no problems until I came to the Druid for the drives.  I
> have rarely seen such a poorly described procedure. This is why
> Linux is abhorred by a great many computer users.

Most of the install?  IIRC, partitioning is early in the process.  BTW,
I agree that it can be a confusing process.

>
> When you are doing something as important as deleting partitions
> there needs to be a far better description of what it is you are
> doing.  Even I could write a better FDISK manager than the one in
> RedHat 6.2.
>
> The Disk Druid allowed me to delete the partition of 2 gigs that
> used to have my NT 4.0 on it.  Although it did not tell me to do
> so, after 10 mins I gathered that to make it format as a Linux
> partition, I had to delete it first.  Now many of you out there
> are now saying "so what, that is easy"  Well Let me tell you.
> the FDISK Druid reports my Boot manager partition as partition 2,
> the NT partition as #3, the Warp partition as #4.  I can tell you
> it is unnerving to say the least when it comes to deleting
> partitions, when the utility to help you determine what
> partitions are what, is distinctly different than the actual
> drive layout according to OS/2 Boot Manager.

The key words being "according to OS/2 Boot Manager".  Linux defines the
partitions by the physical placement on the disk.

>  Anyhow after doing that I was unable to choose to go to the next
> installation screen.

Here I think is your problem.  You must define where the partition will
mount.  And the big thing that I think you are missing, is that the
setup process WILL NOT LET YOU CONTINUE unless you have a ROOT and a
SWAP partition defined.  I banged my head aginst this exact problem for
a few hours(on more than 1 installation) before I realized what my
problem was.   I suspect your problem is that you haven't made a swap
partition (I see no mention of it).  I predict that once you create your
swap partition and define your other partition as root (/), you will be
fine and will be able to install linux with no problem.  BTW if you
think the Red Hat installation process is hairy, you should see
Slackware!

Good Luck!

> So after mucking about with no success, I
> went and chose the FDISK option in the earlier setup screen. This
> at least allowed me a character based fdisk that was able to do a
> bit more.  However, after deleting the NT partition and adding a
> new partition, and then "W"riting it to the disk, I was still
> unable to go beyond to the next installation screen.  After a
> further 20 mins of trying all sorts of other possibilities, I
> gave up. At least the magazine also included a copy of Warp 4. So
> all is not lost.
>
> I guess I can re-install a NT 4 or a Win 2000 on the now empty 2
> gig partition.
>
> BTW I have seen the similar screwups with Caldera, and Corel
> Linux as well, so I assume they are all the same installation
> code.
>
> I can and do install FREEBSD over my DSL connection and this
> works well.  It seems FREEBSD had no troubles with Boot Manager.
> I wish the people writing the Linux installation would wake up!
>
> This is precisely why Linux will never catch up to Windows (And
> believe me I pray that it does).  It needs much improvement over
> its current form.  I fear it will never get that needed
> improvement until a big corp like Sun or IBM takes it on.  And
> that will never happen because the Linux loonies will never let a
> mega Corp do anything with it.
>
> I actually suspect IBM is a bit at fault here with some screwups
> in the OS/2 Boot Manager as well as the Linux crap.  But there
> are millions of OS/2 users who have Boot Manager, and if the
> Linux crowd does not understand how to make an installation work
> with OS/2 boot manager, it only reflects the attitude I have
> always suspected of Linux loonies.
>
> That is they are for the most part , happy with cloning the
> Windows system.  In other words, the Windows crowd has eaten
> porridge every day for their whole lives, and the windows
> refugees who are leaving to go to Linux, are quite happy to
> continue to eat porridge. After all it is the only thing they are
> familiar with and all they are aware of.  This is always the way
> it will be.   OS/2 users on the other hand are more used to
> eating off of a varied menu, and are reluctant to suffer with the
> same porridge.
>
> Damm I wish IBM could separate the upper management from the
> talented software writers, and hire the engineers to run the show
> instead of the current bean counters and idiot sales staff!
>
>
> From the Desk of Mike Stephen
> Micro$oft has performed an illegal operation,
>  and will be shut down.
>
>
> From the Desk of Mike Stephen
> Micro$oft has performed an illegal operation,
>  and will be shut down.

I agree, if you're new, start with Mandrake. 7.1 is very very good, and it's
still Red Hat underneath, so you won't get confused with all the RH help out
there. Mandy has the most sophisticated partitioning and disk management
stuff I've seen. Very slick. Supports all sorts of filesystems I've never
even 'eard of.

- Marcus



David D. Huff Jr. <DavidHuff@computer-critters.com> wrote in message
news:39F10F0B.834F48BD@computer-critters.com...
> Just a suggestion for *nix newbies, try Mandrake Linux for your first
> installation experience. It has the highest rating for ease of
> installation (LINUXFORMAT.CO.UK). There are three experience levels to
> choose from. Give me a 2Gig partition anywhere on your disk and I can
> have a server running on it in as little as 28 minutes.
>
> BTW - Using the advanced user settings you will be given the choice of 5
> levels of security medium should be high enough, high is for people who
> love pain and need long passwords (8+ characters) to feel safe.

This is what I mean.  Wasted time is waste time.
As I have seen it written many times "Linux is free only if your time costs you
nothing"

Now maybe we need to distinguish setup time and down time here but I still think
Warp Server for ebusiness would be a better bet for "non *nix" peoples.

Craig

James Moe wrote:

> craig wrote:
> >
> > Agree totally David,  Mandrake is pretty cool BUT I am dissapointed in
> > Linux.  Its really shit to work with.  Every configuration is a nightmare
> > and requires you read a heap of unrelated material to get the info you
> > require.  User interfaces look nice work like Dogs.  Clunky old X Windows is
> > pretty crap in comparison to WPS
> >
>     Yes, unix has always been opaque to users and administrators alike.
> That's why unix admins get the big bucks.
>     Linux has only slightly improved the situation. I have been looking
> for information on how to mount a tape drive (DAT dds2, scsi internal).
> Of the two books on linux (over a 1000 pages each) there is a total of
> one and a half pages on tape drives with no mention of how to mount one,
> or what to do if mounting fails.
>     Grrrr....
>
> --
> sma at rtd dot com

In aus.computers.linux Mike Stephen <mikestp@telus.net> wrote:
>  
> After booting up the CDROM, I went through most of the install 
> with no problems until I came to the Druid for the drives.  I 
> have rarely seen such a poorly described procedure. This is why 
> Linux is abhorred by a great many computer users.  
>  
> When you are doing something as important as deleting partitions 
> there needs to be a far better description of what it is you are 
> doing.  Even I could write a better FDISK manager than the one in
> RedHat 6.2.  
>  
> The Disk Druid allowed me to delete the partition of 2 gigs that 
> used to have my NT 4.0 on it.  Although it did not tell me to do 
> so, after 10 mins I gathered that to make it format as a Linux 
> partition, I had to delete it first.  Now many of you out there 
> are now saying "so what, that is easy"  Well Let me tell you.  
> the FDISK Druid reports my Boot manager partition as partition 2,
> the NT partition as #3, the Warp partition as #4.  I can tell you
> it is unnerving to say the least when it comes to deleting 
> partitions, when the utility to help you determine what 
> partitions are what, is distinctly different than the actual 
> drive layout according to OS/2 Boot Manager.

Ahem.. Actually... Both MS and OS/2 get it wrong..

WHat MS and OS/2 are showing you is "The first configured partition"
as being "Partition 1".. When in fact.. this may not actually PHYSICALLY
be the case.. 

The "standard" PC master boot record has 4 slots of partitions 1, 2, 3 and 4
These are physically set this way. But, dos most often configured
partition 4 first, and called this "Partition 1", when in fact it was
really physically 1.

In the Unix/Linux world, we prefer to list things AS they physically are
not by Ill/Logical ways.

Yes, it's not consistant with Windows/OS2.. Sorry, this is linux.. not
Windows it's different.

-- 
Anthony Rumble - Managing Director
EverythingLinux.com.au - The Alternative Operating System Store
Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Fax 02-9712-3977

<anthony@linuxhelp.com.au> wrote in message
news:jTxI5.9146$Ab3.37891@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> In aus.computers.linux Mike Stephen <mikestp@telus.net> wrote:
> >
<snip>
> >
> > The Disk Druid allowed me to delete the partition of 2 gigs that
> > used to have my NT 4.0 on it.  Although it did not tell me to do
> > so, after 10 mins I gathered that to make it format as a Linux
> > partition, I had to delete it first.  Now many of you out there
> > are now saying "so what, that is easy"  Well Let me tell you.
> > the FDISK Druid reports my Boot manager partition as partition 2,
> > the NT partition as #3, the Warp partition as #4.  I can tell you
> > it is unnerving to say the least when it comes to deleting
> > partitions, when the utility to help you determine what
> > partitions are what, is distinctly different than the actual
> > drive layout according to OS/2 Boot Manager.
>
> Ahem.. Actually... Both MS and OS/2 get it wrong..
>
> WHat MS and OS/2 are showing you is "The first configured partition"
> as being "Partition 1".. When in fact.. this may not actually PHYSICALLY
> be the case..
>
> The "standard" PC master boot record has 4 slots of partitions 1, 2, 3 and
4
> These are physically set this way. But, dos most often configured
> partition 4 first, and called this "Partition 1", when in fact it was
> really physically 1.
>
I don't know if anyone's using PS/2's in this context but *don't* delete a
partition type of 0xFE or you'll lose your "Convenience Partition" for
System Configuration purposes.

--
Regards,
    Tim Clarke (Guildford, UK)

Tim_N_Clarke (at) compuserve [dot] com

N.B. Remove "NoSpam." from default E-mail reply address

James Moe (sma@rtd.com) wrote:                                        

: craig wrote:                                                        

: > Agree totally David,  Mandrake is pretty cool BUT I am 
: > dissapointed in Linux.  Its really shit to work with.  Every 
: > configuration is a nightmare and requires you read a heap of 
: > unrelated material to get the info you require.  User interfaces 
: > look nice work like Dogs.  Clunky old X Windows is pretty crap in 
: > comparison to WPS                                                 

:     Yes, unix has always been opaque to users and administrators 
: alike. That's why unix admins get the big bucks.                    

:     Linux has only slightly improved the situation. I have been 
: looking for information on how to mount a tape drive (DAT dds2, 
: scsi internal). Of the two books on linux (over a 1000 pages each) 
: there is a total of one and a half pages on tape drives with no 
: mention of how to mount one, or what to do if mounting fails.       

Try the howto files.  and 'man mt'
For an ATAPI (which I'm told mounts via an interface to the scsi
device driver) I use the following script to do backups:

#!/bin/sh
        if [ $# = 0 ]; then
                src=.
        else
                shift
                src="${@-}"
        fi
        mt -t /dev/ht0 rewind
        mt -t /dev/ht0 eof

        tar -czvS --totals -f /dev/ht0 $src

        mt -t /dev/ht0 rewind

Always do a rewind after eof/tar to write the cache.

You can find the mount point in /proc/scsi/scsi or by carefully
watching the boot.

--
David Kunz
Operator error.  Replace operator and strike any key to continue...

Peter Moylan wrote:

> Mostyn BRAMLEY-MOORE <mostynm@queeg.cs.mu.OZ.AU> wrote:
> >>Just a suggestion for *nix newbies, try Mandrake Linux for your first
> >>installation experience. It has the highest rating for ease of
> >>installation (LINUXFORMAT.CO.UK). There are three experience levels to
> >>choose from. Give me a 2Gig partition anywhere on your disk and I can
> >>have a server running on it in as little as 28 minutes.
> >
> >and it comes with a free lobotamy, too!
> 
> I'd rather have a bottle in front o' me than a frontal lobotomy.
> 

        They are just different ways to kill the pain the same!

-- 
>^..^<
Matt

Remove the NO_SPAM to reply via email.

>Just a suggestion for *nix newbies, try Mandrake Linux for your first
>installation experience. It has the highest rating for ease of
>installation (LINUXFORMAT.CO.UK). There are three experience levels to
>choose from. Give me a 2Gig partition anywhere on your disk and I can
>have a server running on it in as little as 28 minutes.

and it comes with a free lobotamy, too!  

m. 
-- 
       ._      ._      ._      ._
   _.-._)`\_.-._)`\_.-._)`\_.-._)`\_.-._

Mostyn BRAMLEY-MOORE <mostynm@queeg.cs.mu.OZ.AU> wrote:
>>Just a suggestion for *nix newbies, try Mandrake Linux for your first
>>installation experience. It has the highest rating for ease of
>>installation (LINUXFORMAT.CO.UK). There are three experience levels to
>>choose from. Give me a 2Gig partition anywhere on your disk and I can
>>have a server running on it in as little as 28 minutes.
>
>and it comes with a free lobotamy, too!  

I'd rather have a bottle in front o' me than a frontal lobotomy.

-- 
Peter Moylan                                 peter@ee.newcastle.edu.au
See http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au for OS/2 information and software

In comp.os.os2.apps Mike Stephen <mikestp@telus.net> wrote:

You should take youself off to www.redhat.com and subscribe to 
zoot-list

Then post the entire text of this to that list. You're sure to
attract some attention.



> After booting up the CDROM, I went through most of the install 
> with no problems until I came to the Druid for the drives.  I 
> have rarely seen such a poorly described procedure. This is why 
> Linux is abhorred by a great many computer users.  

The druid's a favourite topic of conversation on Red Hat mailing
lists;-)

I don't recall many kind comments about it.



> BTW I have seen the similar screwups with Caldera, and Corel 
> Linux as well, so I assume they are all the same installation 
> code.

They're not.

 
> I can and do install FREEBSD over my DSL connection and this 
> works well.  It seems FREEBSD had no troubles with Boot Manager. 
> I wish the people writing the Linux installation would wake up!

The FreeBSD installation's perfect too.

>  
> This is precisely why Linux will never catch up to Windows (And 
> believe me I pray that it does).  It needs much improvement over 

Despite your problems, there are others who say it has. I recently saw a 
report from someone who installed Mandrake 7.1 (it has USB support)
and Windows ME on the same box.

Linux, he said, was easier, especially with the USB.


> its current form.  I fear it will never get that needed 
> improvement until a big corp like Sun or IBM takes it on.  And 
> that will never happen because the Linux loonies will never let a
> mega Corp do anything with it.  

Actually, you're wrong there. I can get Linux for at least one machine
from each of IBM's families of computers; mostly from IBM.

Some models of the thumping big S/390 mainframes.
Some models of AS/400
Some models of RS/6000

and most of the PC and laptop range.

Now that IBM has announced the demise of OS/2. it's fallen
in love with Linux.


> That is they are for the most part , happy with cloning the 
> Windows system.  In other words, the Windows crowd has eaten 
> porridge every day for their whole lives, and the windows 
> refugees who are leaving to go to Linux, are quite happy to 
> continue to eat porridge. After all it is the only thing they are
> familiar with and all they are aware of.  This is always the way 
> it will be.   OS/2 users on the other hand are more used to 
> eating off of a varied menu, and are reluctant to suffer with the
> same porridge.

There are definitely too many (former) Windows users amongs the developers.
OS2 users with an eye to the future shoulld invite themselves to the party.