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In article <umPUd.179212$K7.89111@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, pedro
<pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Hi. Is there any way to check the size of the Level 2 cache installed in 
> a PM 7300 using software? What prog could check it? Thanks,

System Profiler -- at least, it does in the OS X incarnation. I haven't
run OS 9 in so long that I don't recall whether it did there or not,
for sure, but believe it did. You'd find it in the Hardware Overview
section.

-- 
Spenser

sbt wrote:

>In article <umPUd.179212$K7.89111@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, pedro
><pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi. Is there any way to check the size of the Level 2 cache installed in 
>>a PM 7300 using software? What prog could check it? Thanks,
>>    
>>
>
>System Profiler -- at least, it does in the OS X incarnation. I haven't
>run OS 9 in so long that I don't recall whether it did there or not,
>for sure, but believe it did. You'd find it in the Hardware Overview
>section.
>  
>

I don't have system 9 only 8.1 and that doesn't give that info in system 
profiler. I had already checked. Any more ideas?


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rgds,

Pete
-----
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pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:RjVUd.179794$K7.139609@news-server.bigpond.net.au: 

>>>Hi. Is there any way to check the size of the Level 2 cache
>>>installed in a PM 7300 using software? What prog could check it?
>>>Thanks, 
 
> I don't have system 9 only 8.1 and that doesn't give that info in
> system profiler. I had already checked. Any more ideas?

<http://www.supermac.com/download/>

Click on "Cache-22 1.5.3" link, this takes you down the page to the DL 
link "Newer Technology Gauge Series: Cache-22 1.5.3, Clockometer 2.0.3, 
RAMometer 1.3 (262K) [09-04-98]"

If running Windows to DL, right-click link to DL before moving file to 
the Mac.

Cache 22 will do what you're asking, but the other ultilities are also 
useful on that Mac and OS you're running.

-- 
dee

Mike Dee wrote:
 

>pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote in
>news:RjVUd.179794$K7.139609@news-server.bigpond.net.au: 
>
>  
>
>>>>Hi. Is there any way to check the size of the Level 2 cache
>>>>installed in a PM 7300 using software? What prog could check it?
>>>>Thanks, 
>>>>        
>>>>
> 
>  
>
>>I don't have system 9 only 8.1 and that doesn't give that info in
>>system profiler. I had already checked. Any more ideas?
>>    
>>
>
><http://www.supermac.com/download/>
>
>Click on "Cache-22 1.5.3" link, this takes you down the page to the DL 
>link "Newer Technology Gauge Series: Cache-22 1.5.3, Clockometer 2.0.3, 
>RAMometer 1.3 (262K) [09-04-98]"
>
>If running Windows to DL, right-click link to DL before moving file to 
>the Mac.
>  
>
>Cache 22 will do what you're asking, but the other ultilities are also 
>useful on that Mac and OS you're running.
>
>  
>

Thanks for that. I've just started using this mac, and a problem I have 
is that when I dl a file onto the PC (which is the only one connected to 
the internet) and then transfer it to the Mac via floppy/zip, the Mac 
sees it as a PC file, and doesn't know what to do with it. How can I dl 
files onto the PC and get them to the Mac as Mac files? (This is what 
happened with this one).



-- 

rgds,

Pete
-----
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In article <4kXUd.179999$K7.88555@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
 pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Thanks for that. I've just started using this mac, and a problem I have 
>is that when I dl a file onto the PC (which is the only one connected to 
>the internet) and then transfer it to the Mac via floppy/zip, the Mac 
>sees it as a PC file, and doesn't know what to do with it. How can I dl 
>files onto the PC and get them to the Mac as Mac files? (This is what 
>happened with this one).

It is very easy to connect a 7300 to the internet. That would solve a 
lot of your headache.

pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:4kXUd.179999$K7.88555@news-server.bigpond.net.au: 

>>If running Windows to DL, right-click link to DL before moving
>>file to the Mac. 
>>
>>Cache 22 will do what you're asking, but the other ultilities are
>>also useful on that Mac and OS you're running.
> 
> Thanks for that. I've just started using this mac, and a problem I
> have is that when I dl a file onto the PC (which is the only one
> connected to the internet) and then transfer it to the Mac via
> floppy/zip, the Mac sees it as a PC file, and doesn't know what to
> do with it. How can I dl files onto the PC and get them to the Mac
> as Mac files? (This is what happened with this one).

As I said earlier: right-click to DL Mac files to a PC.

What this does, is forces your browser to ask where you want to save
the file, and also preserves it as a raw file, if you don't Windows
will try to be 'helpful' and insert DOS carriage returns into what
it thinks is some kind of unknown text file, effectively wrecking
it. 

Then copy it onto some kind of medium, floppy, zip etc and take to
Mac. The Mac will still see it as some kind of DOS file and may even
truncate the file name. Don't worry about this, just drag it onto
Stuffit Expander's icon and it will do the rest. Hopefully you have
Stuffit Expander installed on that Mac... 

The file filename you DL'd is "newertools.sea.hqx" The .hqx part
means the  file has been 'bin-hexed' it's a Mac archive format for
moving files across the net. The .sea part means that it also
contains a 'self extracting archive' think of it as an executable
zip file (though it is most likely Stuffit compressed). Stuffit
Expander will decode the whole file in one go and you'll find that
you then have "newertools.sea.hqx" + "newertools.sea" + a folder
named "Gauges" which contain the actual utilities. 

If you find yourself moving lots of Mac files DL'd from the net via
a PC, then you might want to take a look at freeware HFVExplorer for
Win32 <http://gamma.nic.fi/~lpesonen/HFVExplorer/> This will format
Mac floppies on a PC and also create CD sized Mac drive containers
(disk images) which it can mount on your PC enabling you to drag and
drop from PC to Mac container at your leasure. Once filled you can
burn to CD then mount the container on the Mac via "Disk Copy 6.x"
as a disk image. Has a small learning curve to get to grips with,
but worth it if you DL a lot of Mac files via a PC. 

-- 
dee

Ron Parsons wrote:
 

>In article <4kXUd.179999$K7.88555@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Thanks for that. I've just started using this mac, and a problem I have 
>>is that when I dl a file onto the PC (which is the only one connected to 
>>the internet) and then transfer it to the Mac via floppy/zip, the Mac 
>>sees it as a PC file, and doesn't know what to do with it. How can I dl 
>>files onto the PC and get them to the Mac as Mac files? (This is what 
>>happened with this one).
>>    
>>
>
>It is very easy to connect a 7300 to the internet. That would solve a 
>lot of your headache.
>  
>

I would prefer not to for the simple reason that being old 
hardware/software, and with no AV protection or firewall, it would be 
very vulnerable to hacking, viruses, etc.,


-- 

rgds,

Pete
-----
http://pedro.spyw.com
The time here is- http://tinyurl.com/6sfgd
'Where there's a will.. I want to be in it!'

Mike Dee wrote:

>pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote in
>news:4kXUd.179999$K7.88555@news-server.bigpond.net.au: 
>
>  
>
>>>If running Windows to DL, right-click link to DL before moving
>>>file to the Mac. 
>>>
>>>Cache 22 will do what you're asking, but the other ultilities are
>>>also useful on that Mac and OS you're running.
>>>      
>>>
>>Thanks for that. I've just started using this mac, and a problem I
>>have is that when I dl a file onto the PC (which is the only one
>>connected to the internet) and then transfer it to the Mac via
>>floppy/zip, the Mac sees it as a PC file, and doesn't know what to
>>do with it. How can I dl files onto the PC and get them to the Mac
>>as Mac files? (This is what happened with this one).
>>    
>>
>
>As I said earlier: right-click to DL Mac files to a PC.
>  
>

I had assumed that you specified that method for a reason, but 
right-clicking or just clicking on the link didn't work, so I FTP'd the 
file from their server.
 

>What this does, is forces your browser to ask where you want to save
>the file, and also preserves it as a raw file, if you don't Windows
>will try to be 'helpful' and insert DOS carriage returns into what
>it thinks is some kind of unknown text file, effectively wrecking
>it.
>
>Then copy it onto some kind of medium, floppy, zip etc and take to
>Mac. The Mac will still see it as some kind of DOS file and may even
>truncate the file name. Don't worry about this, just drag it onto
>Stuffit Expander's icon and it will do the rest. Hopefully you have
>Stuffit Expander installed on that Mac... 
>  
>

Yes I do.
 

>The file filename you DL'd is "newertools.sea.hqx" The .hqx part
>means the  file has been 'bin-hexed' it's a Mac archive format for
>moving files across the net. The .sea part means that it also
>contains a 'self extracting archive' think of it as an executable
>zip file (though it is most likely Stuffit compressed). Stuffit
>Expander will decode the whole file in one go and you'll find that
>you then have "newertools.sea.hqx" + "newertools.sea" + a folder
>named "Gauges" which contain the actual utilities. 
>

Following this later post of yours, and now knowing the necessity of the 
right clik method, I got the idea to disable the firewall. I then found 
that right cliking worked, and was able to retrieve the file, and expand 
it to the 'gauges' prog, which does exactly what I wanted, thanks. and 
the prog is small enough to put onto a floppy for testing any machine.

>If you find yourself moving lots of Mac files DL'd from the net via
>a PC, then you might want to take a look at freeware HFVExplorer for
>Win32 <http://gamma.nic.fi/~lpesonen/HFVExplorer/> This will format
>Mac floppies on a PC and also create CD sized Mac drive containers
>(disk images) which it can mount on your PC enabling you to drag and
>drop from PC to Mac container at your leasure. Once filled you can
>burn to CD then mount the container on the Mac via "Disk Copy 6.x"
>as a disk image. Has a small learning curve to get to grips with,
>but worth it if you DL a lot of Mac files via a PC. 
>  
>



-- 

rgds,

Pete
-----
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The time here is- http://tinyurl.com/6sfgd
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pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Ron Parsons wrote:
>  
> 
> >In article <4kXUd.179999$K7.88555@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> > pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Thanks for that. I've just started using this mac, and a problem I have
> >>is that when I dl a file onto the PC (which is the only one connected to
> >>the internet) and then transfer it to the Mac via floppy/zip, the Mac
> >>sees it as a PC file, and doesn't know what to do with it. How can I dl
> >>files onto the PC and get them to the Mac as Mac files? (This is what
> >>happened with this one).
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >It is very easy to connect a 7300 to the internet. That would solve a
> >lot of your headache.
> >  
> >
> 
> I would prefer not to for the simple reason that being old 
> hardware/software, and with no AV protection or firewall, it would be
> very vulnerable to hacking, viruses, etc.,

You might consider making a backup of your 7300, connecting it to the
internet, downloading the file, and then disconnecting it, if it's so
worrisome to you.

Then again, it's pretty well understood that Macs, particularly from the
pre-os X days, didn't fall prey to hacking or viruses.

I seem to remember that once upon a time, there was a contest to see who
could hack into a stock Mac (running OS 9, I think) hooked up to the
internet. There was a cash prize. No one was able to claim it.

pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:eXsVd.181688$K7.131550@news-server.bigpond.net.au: 

>>It is very easy to connect a 7300 to the internet. That would
>>solve a lot of your headache.
> 
> I would prefer not to for the simple reason that being old 
> hardware/software, and with no AV protection or firewall, it would
> be very vulnerable to hacking, viruses, etc., 

Ironically, it's actually more safer to use that Mac than your PC with 
the most up-to-date protection loaded.

-- 
dee

pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:hXsVd.181692$K7.115137@news-server.bigpond.net.au: 

> Following this later post of yours, and now knowing the necessity
> of the right clik method, I got the idea to disable the firewall.
> I then found that right cliking worked, and was able to retrieve
> the file, and expand it to the 'gauges' prog, which does exactly
> what I wanted, thanks. and the prog is small enough to put onto a
> floppy for testing any machine. 

Ah that explains it then, glad you worked it out and the utility was 
what you needed.

Cheers.

-- 
dee

Mike Dee wrote:
 

>pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote in
>news:eXsVd.181688$K7.131550@news-server.bigpond.net.au: 
>
>  
>
>>>It is very easy to connect a 7300 to the internet. That would
>>>solve a lot of your headache.
>>>      
>>>
>>I would prefer not to for the simple reason that being old 
>>hardware/software, and with no AV protection or firewall, it would
>>be very vulnerable to hacking, viruses, etc., 
>>    
>>
>
>Ironically, it's actually more safer to use that Mac than your PC with 
>the most up-to-date protection loaded.
>
>  
>
 
That makes me feel better! :) think I will give it a go then. But first 
I need to get all the software progs installed, and learn a bit more 
about how to use them, and the Mac. One thing I noticed is that every 
time I click a folder it opens a new window. Having been used to a PC, 
with it's navigation controls (up/down/back/forward) I find this 
troublesome. Can I somehow change the setup so that the same window 
updates, and I can move up/down/back, etc..? Also if I do connect to the 
net.. should I upgrade programs such as Internet Explorer, to the latest 
versions, or is it best to leave it/them in the same relative era as the 
hardware?



-- 

rgds,

Pete
-----
http://pedro.spyw.com
The time here is- http://tinyurl.com/6sfgd
'Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes!'

Paul Mitchum wrote:
 

>pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Ron Parsons wrote:
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>In article <4kXUd.179999$K7.88555@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>>>pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Thanks for that. I've just started using this mac, and a problem I have
>>>>is that when I dl a file onto the PC (which is the only one connected to
>>>>the internet) and then transfer it to the Mac via floppy/zip, the Mac
>>>>sees it as a PC file, and doesn't know what to do with it. How can I dl
>>>>files onto the PC and get them to the Mac as Mac files? (This is what
>>>>happened with this one).
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>It is very easy to connect a 7300 to the internet. That would solve a
>>>lot of your headache.
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I would prefer not to for the simple reason that being old 
>>hardware/software, and with no AV protection or firewall, it would be
>>very vulnerable to hacking, viruses, etc.,
>>    
>>
>
>You might consider making a backup of your 7300, connecting it to the
>internet, downloading the file, and then disconnecting it, if it's so
>worrisome to you.
>  
>
 
That brings me to a question that I intended to ask.. How do I make an 
image file of the hard drive?  (to be able to reconstruct it?)
 
Thanks,
 
Pete
(aka dumb Mac user)
 

>Then again, it's pretty well understood that Macs, particularly from the
>pre-os X days, didn't fall prey to hacking or viruses.
>
>I seem to remember that once upon a time, there was a contest to see who
>could hack into a stock Mac (running OS 9, I think) hooked up to the
>internet. There was a cash prize. No one was able to claim it.
>  
>
 
I'm thinking that I will connect then. I have a dial up account and 
modem I can use. (PC is on broadband)


-- 

rgds,

Pete
-----
http://pedro.spyw.com
The time here is- http://tinyurl.com/6sfgd
'That light at the end of the tunnel could be an oncoming train!'

On 3/3/05 1:15 PM, in article
SquVd.181752$K7.123355@news-server.bigpond.net.au, "pedro"
<pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:


> 
> I'm thinking that I will connect then. I have a dial up account and
> modem I can use. (PC is on broadband)
> 
If you have ethernet on your 7300 (which I think you do) and a modem/router
with a spare ethernet port (or, alternatively, an ethernet hub) you can
connect to the internet quite easily.

Bill

> > I would prefer not to for the simple reason that being old 
> > hardware/software, and with no AV protection or firewall, it would be
> > very vulnerable to hacking, viruses, etc.,

it isn't vulnerable at all from internet based attacks. if you don't
download questionable stuff (i.e. stick to known trusted sources),
there is virtually no risk at all. 

> I seem to remember that once upon a time, there was a contest to see who
> could hack into a stock Mac (running OS 9, I think) hooked up to the
> internet. There was a cash prize. No one was able to claim it.

<http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=02166>

In article <ppuVd.181750$K7.106235@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, pedro
<pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:

> One thing I noticed is that every 
> time I click a folder it opens a new window. Having been used to a PC, 
> with it's navigation controls (up/down/back/forward) I find this 
> troublesome. Can I somehow change the setup so that the same window 
> updates, and I can move up/down/back, etc..? 

option click will open a new folder and close the old one. 

command click in the titlebar will display a popup menu and let you
move up one or more levels. as before, also hold down option key if you
want that window to close. 

personally, i prefer having multiple windows because i can easily see
several folders at once and move files between them with a simple drag
rather than a copy/paste.

> Also if I do connect to the 
> net.. should I upgrade programs such as Internet Explorer, to the latest 
> versions, or is it best to leave it/them in the same relative era as the 
> hardware?

you can update it if you want, or select a different browser. install a
few and pick one.

pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Ron Parsons wrote:
>  
> >It is very easy to connect a 7300 to the internet. That would solve a
> >lot of your headache.
> >  
> >
> 
> I would prefer not to for the simple reason that being old 
> hardware/software, and with no AV protection or firewall, it would be
> very vulnerable to hacking, viruses, etc.,

Hey - this is a Mac. The chance of someone giving you a virus or hacking
your machine is very, very low. I've had Macs connected to the internet
since 1995, and I have not seen _any_ attempts of hacking or virus
infection from the internet.
I've had one virus, in 1992, but my nice antivirus-program, GateKeeper,
just removed it.

-- 
Morten Dreier
http://morten.dreier.no/

I have run my 7300 on the net without a firewall or such for some 6 or so
years now - only ever had one virus in all that time.  I was reading in a
computer mag recently that running a Windows box on the net you wil be sure
to be infected within 30 minutes

I use my Mac 7300 for the net and everything important, and I have a newish
(Intel 2.8gig/500meg ram etc) for buggerising around - no way I would ever
use it for anything important though.

David

pedro wrote:

> >>
> >
> >It is very easy to connect a 7300 to the internet. That would solve a
> >lot of your headache.
>
>
> I would prefer not to for the simple reason that being old
> hardware/software, and with no AV protection or firewall, it would be
> very vulnerable to hacking, viruses, etc.,
>
> --
>
> rgds,
>
> Pete
> -----
> http://pedro.spyw.com
> The time here is- http://tinyurl.com/6sfgd
> 'Where there's a will.. I want to be in it!'

In article <eXsVd.181688$K7.131550@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
 pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:

> >It is very easy to connect a 7300 to the internet. That would solve a 
> >lot of your headache.
> 
> I would prefer not to for the simple reason that being old 
> hardware/software, and with no AV protection or firewall, it would be 
> very vulnerable to hacking, viruses, etc.,

Well, actually, no. It wouldn't. That's by virtue of the fact that there 
are literally a few dozen pieces of malware for Mac OS over its entire 
history and none that work like that because there aren't any vectors 
available simply by virtue of hooking it up and going online.

G

-- 
There's nothing quite like the joy of first hearing an Alvin & the Chipmunks
cover of Pink Floyd's "The Final Cut." "Not Now John" is especially sublime.

pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:ppuVd.181750$K7.106235@news-server.bigpond.net.au: 

> Mike Dee wrote:  
> 
>>pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:  
>>
>>Ironically, it's actually more safer to use that Mac than your PC
>>with the most up-to-date protection loaded.  
>  
> That makes me feel better! :) think I will give it a go then. But
> first I need to get all the software progs installed, and learn a
> bit more about how to use them, and the Mac. One thing I noticed
> is that every time I click a folder it opens a new window. Having
> been used to a PC, with it's navigation controls
> (up/down/back/forward) I find this troublesome. Can I somehow
> change the setup so that the same window updates, and I can move
> up/down/back, etc..?

Not on that particular OS, no. You can however learn a few keyboard 
commands for navigation.

You'll find that the Mac 'Command' key (usually located next to Space 
bar) is very similar to Windows 'Ctrl" key, having many of the same 
keyboard commands, see page:
<http://internet.ggu.edu/university_library/keyboard.html>

Assuming no windows open when Mac boots, notice on the desktop the HD 
icon is selected (a duller colour than the other icons).

Hold the 'Command' key down and type 'O' (Open) to open the HD root 
directory.
Next, type the first letter of a folder's name eg: 'A' this will select 
the first folder name beginning with 'A'. Once an icon is selected you 
can use the direction keys to navigate to subsequent icons.
With an icon selected that you wish to open, hold both the 'Option' and 
'Command' keys down and type 'O'. This has the effect of closing one 
window and opening another.

Similarly, on the desktop with no folders open, type the 1st letter of 
an icon's name. This will select the 1st icon name beginning with the 
letter you just typed and not necessarily the one you wanted to select 
as this method chooses icons alphabetically, so 'Aarvark' will get 
selected before 'Ark'. However if you type 'AR' quickly, 'Ark' would 
get selected 1st. But in this case, selecting icons on the desktop is 
usually faster by using the arrow keys.

The OP 'nospam' gave some other commands to play around with.

Holding the 'Command' key down and clicking onto a window's title bar 
is a good one for navigating back through multiple directory levels.

> Also if I do connect to the net.. should I
> upgrade programs such as Internet Explorer, to the latest 
> versions, or is it best to leave it/them in the same relative era
> as the hardware?

I think Internet Explorer 5 and Outlook Express will run on Mac OS 8.1

You can use a more uptodate Mozilla only if you upgrade your current OS 
to OS 8.6 or 9.x - the upgrade from 8.1 to 8.6 or 9 was not free.

This is the final Mozilla to run on pre-MacOS X (WamCom-Mozilla 1.3.1)
<http://www.wamcom.org/latest-131/>

-- 
dee

Morten Dreier wrote:
 

>pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Ron Parsons wrote:
>> 
>>    
>>
>>>It is very easy to connect a 7300 to the internet. That would solve a
>>>lot of your headache.
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I would prefer not to for the simple reason that being old 
>>hardware/software, and with no AV protection or firewall, it would be
>>very vulnerable to hacking, viruses, etc.,
>>    
>>
>
>Hey - this is a Mac. The chance of someone giving you a virus or hacking
>your machine is very, very low. I've had Macs connected to the internet
>since 1995, and I have not seen _any_ attempts of hacking or virus
>infection from the internet.
>I've had one virus, in 1992, but my nice antivirus-program, GateKeeper,
>just removed it.
>
>  
>

Why is this? Is it due to the way Mac's function, or simply that hackers 
don't bother with them?


-- 

rgds,

Pete
-----
http://pedro.spyw.com
The time here is- http://tinyurl.com/6sfgd
'Where you stand on a issue, depends on where you sit!'

Bill Dixon wrote:
 

>On 3/3/05 1:15 PM, in article
>SquVd.181752$K7.123355@news-server.bigpond.net.au, "pedro"
><pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>  
>
>>I'm thinking that I will connect then. I have a dial up account and
>>modem I can use. (PC is on broadband)
>>
>>    
>>
>If you have ethernet on your 7300 (which I think you do)
>

yes.
 

> and a modem/router
>with a spare ethernet port (or, alternatively, an ethernet hub) you can
>connect to the internet quite easily.
>

The Mac is not in proximity to the PC, and I have just spent the best 
part of today trying to connect it via modem. The first problem that I 
encountered is that the modem, a SwannSmart V.90, was not listed on the 
(rather sparse) list of modems that the Macs control panel/modems 
offers. After spending much time googling, I discovered that I needed a 
program called FreePPP. This prog however is unable to detect the modem, 
and I suspect that is because it's not correctly identified in control 
panel/modems; although I have tried just about every one there is. And 
the problem is not something as simple as the port not being correctly 
set. From what else I've been able to learn, an appropriate modem script 
would solve the problem, but at this point I'm tiring of the exercise. 
The manufactures website offers a driver, but as i understand it it's 
for systems later than the 8.1. that I have.

http://www.swann.com.au/s-techsupportdownl1.php#msurfer

However, I did try it, but it didn't seem to do anything. ?? When I 
unstuffed it, I just got the dotted 'flying boxes' from the window, and 
that was it! Nothing seemed to happen. There weren't any folders 
created, or any programs running.

Any suggestions?
 

>Bill
>
>  
>



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I have just downloaded the file and it is fine - send me an email addy and
I'll mail it to you with instructions

David

pedro wrote:

> Bill Dixon wrote:
>
>
> >On 3/3/05 1:15 PM, in article
> >SquVd.181752$K7.123355@news-server.bigpond.net.au, "pedro"
> ><pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I'm thinking that I will connect then. I have a dial up account and
> >>modem I can use. (PC is on broadband)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >If you have ethernet on your 7300 (which I think you do)
> >
>
> yes.
>
>
> > and a modem/router
> >with a spare ethernet port (or, alternatively, an ethernet hub) you can
> >connect to the internet quite easily.
> >
>
> The Mac is not in proximity to the PC, and I have just spent the best
> part of today trying to connect it via modem. The first problem that I
> encountered is that the modem, a SwannSmart V.90, was not listed on the
> (rather sparse) list of modems that the Macs control panel/modems
> offers. After spending much time googling, I discovered that I needed a
> program called FreePPP. This prog however is unable to detect the modem,
> and I suspect that is because it's not correctly identified in control
> panel/modems; although I have tried just about every one there is. And
> the problem is not something as simple as the port not being correctly
> set. From what else I've been able to learn, an appropriate modem script
> would solve the problem, but at this point I'm tiring of the exercise.
> The manufactures website offers a driver, but as i understand it it's
> for systems later than the 8.1. that I have.
>
> http://www.swann.com.au/s-techsupportdownl1.php#msurfer
>
> However, I did try it, but it didn't seem to do anything. ?? When I
> unstuffed it, I just got the dotted 'flying boxes' from the window, and
> that was it! Nothing seemed to happen. There weren't any folders
> created, or any programs running.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> >Bill
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> rgds,
>
> Pete
> -----
> http://pedro.spyw.com
> ~ all outgoing email virus scanned ~
> The time here is- http://tinyurl.com/6sfgd
> 'Deja moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before'

In article <JOcWd.184947$K7.23587@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
 pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Morten Dreier wrote:
> 
>
>>pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Ron Parsons wrote:
>>> 
>>>    
>>>
>>>>It is very easy to connect a 7300 to the internet. That would solve a
>>>>lot of your headache.
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>I would prefer not to for the simple reason that being old 
>>>hardware/software, and with no AV protection or firewall, it would be
>>>very vulnerable to hacking, viruses, etc.,
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>Hey - this is a Mac. The chance of someone giving you a virus or hacking
>>your machine is very, very low. I've had Macs connected to the internet
>>since 1995, and I have not seen _any_ attempts of hacking or virus
>>infection from the internet.
>>I've had one virus, in 1992, but my nice antivirus-program, GateKeeper,
>>just removed it.
>>
>>  
>>
>
>Why is this? Is it due to the way Mac's function, or simply that hackers 
>don't bother with them?

It is the way Mac's are. Period.

I know it's difficult for a Windows user to accept. That is why the OP 
is going though such a hard time. He just won't do the simple thing and 
plug his Mac into the broadband.

pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Morten Dreier wrote:
>  
> >Hey - this is a Mac. The chance of someone giving you a virus or hacking
> >your machine is very, very low. I've had Macs connected to the internet
> >since 1995, and I have not seen _any_ attempts of hacking or virus
> >infection from the internet.
> >I've had one virus, in 1992, but my nice antivirus-program, GateKeeper,
> >just removed it.
> 
> Why is this? Is it due to the way Mac's function, or simply that hackers
> don't bother with them?

The design of the operating system as a whole does make it very
difficult to make viruses. Sure - one of the first viruses was made for
a Unix system, but since then Windows has been proved as an exellent
breeding-ground for viruses - because of the design of the Windows
operating system.

-- 
Morten Dreier
http://morten.dreier.no/

Morten Dreier wrote:

>pedro <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Morten Dreier wrote:
>> 
>>    
>>
>>>Hey - this is a Mac. The chance of someone giving you a virus or hacking
>>>your machine is very, very low. I've had Macs connected to the internet
>>>since 1995, and I have not seen _any_ attempts of hacking or virus
>>>infection from the internet.
>>>I've had one virus, in 1992, but my nice antivirus-program, GateKeeper,
>>>just removed it.
>>>      
>>>
>>Why is this? Is it due to the way Mac's function, or simply that hackers
>>don't bother with them?
>>    
>>
>
>The design of the operating system as a whole does make it very
>difficult to make viruses. Sure - one of the first viruses was made for
>a Unix system, but since then Windows has been proved as an exellent
>breeding-ground for viruses - because of the design of the Windows
>operating system.
>
>  
>
 
Windoze is crap, and always has been. It only works by getting bigger 
and bigger, and it's only achieved it's market dominance by the 
aggressive and ruthless marketing strategies of Bill Gates. M$ was built 
on a lie to begin with. He never had a functional DOS operating system 
when he was contracted by IBM, only a mock up of it, but he led them to 
believe he had. At least that's the story as I know it.



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quietguy wrote:

>I have just downloaded the file and it is fine - send me an email addy and
>I'll mail it to you with instructions
>  
>
 
I can download the file ok, but as I said, I unstuff it, and nothing 
happens that I can see. It changes from .hqx to .sit when dropped on 
'Expander', but when I drop the .sit file on Expander, nothing happens 
except that I get the flying dotted boxes from the window. There is no 
new modem listed, or folder created. What system are you using? I'm 
using 8.1.
 
I was able to connect using another modem with the corresponding modem 
script that was available on the Manufacturers website, and that worked 
fine. But I would like to be able to use the Swann modem if possible.
 

>David
>
>pedro wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Bill Dixon wrote:
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>On 3/3/05 1:15 PM, in article
>>>SquVd.181752$K7.123355@news-server.bigpond.net.au, "pedro"
>>><pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I'm thinking that I will connect then. I have a dial up account and
>>>>modem I can use. (PC is on broadband)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>If you have ethernet on your 7300 (which I think you do)
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>yes.
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>and a modem/router
>>>with a spare ethernet port (or, alternatively, an ethernet hub) you can
>>>connect to the internet quite easily.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>The Mac is not in proximity to the PC, and I have just spent the best
>>part of today trying to connect it via modem. The first problem that I
>>encountered is that the modem, a SwannSmart V.90, was not listed on the
>>(rather sparse) list of modems that the Macs control panel/modems
>>offers. After spending much time googling, I discovered that I needed a
>>program called FreePPP. This prog however is unable to detect the modem,
>>and I suspect that is because it's not correctly identified in control
>>panel/modems; although I have tried just about every one there is. And
>>the problem is not something as simple as the port not being correctly
>>set. From what else I've been able to learn, an appropriate modem script
>>would solve the problem, but at this point I'm tiring of the exercise.
>>The manufactures website offers a driver, but as i understand it it's
>>for systems later than the 8.1. that I have.
>>
>>http://www.swann.com.au/s-techsupportdownl1.php#msurfer
>>
>>However, I did try it, but it didn't seem to do anything. ?? When I
>>unstuffed it, I just got the dotted 'flying boxes' from the window, and
>>that was it! Nothing seemed to happen. There weren't any folders
>>created, or any programs running.
>>
>>Any suggestions?
>>
>>    
>>



-- 

rgds,

Pete
-----
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When I downloaded it and expanded it I got a file with a message to drop it
into my System folder.  When I opened it to see what was in it (with BBEdit)
it was a whole list of odem instructions.

That it didn't appear that way to you tells me that somehow it got corrupted
or something.

I suggest you download it again using the Mac


David

pedro wrote:

> quietguy wrote:
>
> >I have just downloaded the file and it is fine - send me an email addy and
> >I'll mail it to you with instructions
> >
> >
>
> I can download the file ok, but as I said, I unstuff it, and nothing
> happens that I can see. It changes from .hqx to .sit when dropped on
> 'Expander', but when I drop the .sit file on Expander, nothing happens
> except that I get the flying dotted boxes from the window. There is no
> new modem listed, or folder created. What system are you using? I'm
> using 8.1.
>
> I was able to connect using another modem with the corresponding modem
> script that was available on the Manufacturers website, and that worked
> fine. But I would like to be able to use the Swann modem if possible.
>
>
> >David
> >
> >pedro wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Bill Dixon wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>On 3/3/05 1:15 PM, in article
> >>>SquVd.181752$K7.123355@news-server.bigpond.net.au, "pedro"
> >>><pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I'm thinking that I will connect then. I have a dial up account and
> >>>>modem I can use. (PC is on broadband)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>If you have ethernet on your 7300 (which I think you do)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>yes.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>and a modem/router
> >>>with a spare ethernet port (or, alternatively, an ethernet hub) you can
> >>>connect to the internet quite easily.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>The Mac is not in proximity to the PC, and I have just spent the best
> >>part of today trying to connect it via modem. The first problem that I
> >>encountered is that the modem, a SwannSmart V.90, was not listed on the
> >>(rather sparse) list of modems that the Macs control panel/modems
> >>offers. After spending much time googling, I discovered that I needed a
> >>program called FreePPP. This prog however is unable to detect the modem,
> >>and I suspect that is because it's not correctly identified in control
> >>panel/modems; although I have tried just about every one there is. And
> >>the problem is not something as simple as the port not being correctly
> >>set. From what else I've been able to learn, an appropriate modem script
> >>would solve the problem, but at this point I'm tiring of the exercise.
> >>The manufactures website offers a driver, but as i understand it it's
> >>for systems later than the 8.1. that I have.
> >>
> >>http://www.swann.com.au/s-techsupportdownl1.php#msurfer
> >>
> >>However, I did try it, but it didn't seem to do anything. ?? When I
> >>unstuffed it, I just got the dotted 'flying boxes' from the window, and
> >>that was it! Nothing seemed to happen. There weren't any folders
> >>created, or any programs running.
> >>
> >>Any suggestions?
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> --
>
> rgds,
>
> Pete
> -----
> http://pedro.spyw.com
> ~ all outgoing email virus scanned ~
> The time here is- http://tinyurl.com/6sfgd
> 'Birthdays are good for you - the more you have the longer you live'

quietguy wrote:
 

>When I downloaded it and expanded it I got a file with a message to drop it
>into my System folder.  When I opened it to see what was in it (with BBEdit)
>it was a whole list of odem instructions.
>
>That it didn't appear that way to you tells me that somehow it got corrupted
>or something.
>
>I suggest you download it again using the Mac
>  
>

Ahh..  good thinking! I can do that now. I'll let you know how it goes.
 

>David
>
>pedro wrote:
>
>  
>
>>quietguy wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I have just downloaded the file and it is fine - send me an email addy and
>>>I'll mail it to you with instructions
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I can download the file ok, but as I said, I unstuff it, and nothing
>>happens that I can see. It changes from .hqx to .sit when dropped on
>>'Expander', but when I drop the .sit file on Expander, nothing happens
>>except that I get the flying dotted boxes from the window. There is no
>>new modem listed, or folder created. What system are you using? I'm
>>using 8.1.
>>
>>I was able to connect using another modem with the corresponding modem
>>script that was available on the Manufacturers website, and that worked
>>fine. But I would like to be able to use the Swann modem if possible.
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>David
>>>
>>>pedro wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Bill Dixon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>On 3/3/05 1:15 PM, in article
>>>>>SquVd.181752$K7.123355@news-server.bigpond.net.au, "pedro"
>>>>><pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm thinking that I will connect then. I have a dial up account and
>>>>>>modem I can use. (PC is on broadband)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>If you have ethernet on your 7300 (which I think you do)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>yes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>and a modem/router
>>>>>with a spare ethernet port (or, alternatively, an ethernet hub) you can
>>>>>connect to the internet quite easily.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>The Mac is not in proximity to the PC, and I have just spent the best
>>>>part of today trying to connect it via modem. The first problem that I
>>>>encountered is that the modem, a SwannSmart V.90, was not listed on the
>>>>(rather sparse) list of modems that the Macs control panel/modems
>>>>offers. After spending much time googling, I discovered that I needed a
>>>>program called FreePPP. This prog however is unable to detect the modem,
>>>>and I suspect that is because it's not correctly identified in control
>>>>panel/modems; although I have tried just about every one there is. And
>>>>the problem is not something as simple as the port not being correctly
>>>>set. From what else I've been able to learn, an appropriate modem script
>>>>would solve the problem, but at this point I'm tiring of the exercise.
>>>>The manufactures website offers a driver, but as i understand it it's
>>>>for systems later than the 8.1. that I have.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.swann.com.au/s-techsupportdownl1.php#msurfer
>>>>
>>>>However, I did try it, but it didn't seem to do anything. ?? When I
>>>>unstuffed it, I just got the dotted 'flying boxes' from the window, and
>>>>that was it! Nothing seemed to happen. There weren't any folders
>>>>created, or any programs running.
>>>>
>>>>Any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>


-- 

rgds,

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-----
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pedro wrote:

> quietguy wrote:
>
>
>> When I downloaded it and expanded it I got a file with a message to 
>> drop it
>> into my System folder.  When I opened it to see what was in it (with 
>> BBEdit)
>> it was a whole list of odem instructions.
>>
>> That it didn't appear that way to you tells me that somehow it got 
>> corrupted
>> or something.
>>
>> I suggest you download it again using the Mac
>>  
>>
>
> Ahh..  good thinking! I can do that now. I'll let you know how it goes.

 
Nup. Same thing. I don't know what the problem is. Can you email the 
file, thanks?
 
mac at auslink org uk
 
Could it be a problem with the Expander maybe? perhaps the version is 
too old?
 

>
>
>> David
>>
>> pedro wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>> quietguy wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> I have just downloaded the file and it is fine - send me an email 
>>>> addy and
>>>> I'll mail it to you with instructions
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>
>>> I can download the file ok, but as I said, I unstuff it, and nothing
>>> happens that I can see. It changes from .hqx to .sit when dropped on
>>> 'Expander', but when I drop the .sit file on Expander, nothing happens
>>> except that I get the flying dotted boxes from the window. There is no
>>> new modem listed, or folder created. What system are you using? I'm
>>> using 8.1.
>>>
>>> I was able to connect using another modem with the corresponding modem
>>> script that was available on the Manufacturers website, and that worked
>>> fine. But I would like to be able to use the Swann modem if possible.
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> pedro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>> Bill Dixon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/3/05 1:15 PM, in article
>>>>>> SquVd.181752$K7.123355@news-server.bigpond.net.au, "pedro"
>>>>>> <pedro@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm thinking that I will connect then. I have a dial up account and
>>>>>>> modem I can use. (PC is on broadband)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have ethernet on your 7300 (which I think you do)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>
>>>>> yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>> and a modem/router
>>>>>> with a spare ethernet port (or, alternatively, an ethernet hub) 
>>>>>> you can
>>>>>> connect to the internet quite easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>
>>>>> The Mac is not in proximity to the PC, and I have just spent the best
>>>>> part of today trying to connect it via modem. The first problem 
>>>>> that I
>>>>> encountered is that the modem, a SwannSmart V.90, was not listed 
>>>>> on the
>>>>> (rather sparse) list of modems that the Macs control panel/modems
>>>>> offers. After spending much time googling, I discovered that I 
>>>>> needed a
>>>>> program called FreePPP. This prog however is unable to detect the 
>>>>> modem,
>>>>> and I suspect that is because it's not correctly identified in 
>>>>> control
>>>>> panel/modems; although I have tried just about every one there is. 
>>>>> And
>>>>> the problem is not something as simple as the port not being 
>>>>> correctly
>>>>> set. From what else I've been able to learn, an appropriate modem 
>>>>> script
>>>>> would solve the problem, but at this point I'm tiring of the 
>>>>> exercise.
>>>>> The manufactures website offers a driver, but as i understand it it's
>>>>> for systems later than the 8.1. that I have.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.swann.com.au/s-techsupportdownl1.php#msurfer
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I did try it, but it didn't seem to do anything. ?? When I
>>>>> unstuffed it, I just got the dotted 'flying boxes' from the 
>>>>> window, and
>>>>> that was it! Nothing seemed to happen. There weren't any folders
>>>>> created, or any programs running.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>
>
>


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Pete
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