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MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message news:<mwron-45D736.09583024022004@news.newsguy.com>...
> It is with great pleasure that I am able to announce the release of 
> CodeWarrior Development Tools for Mac OS and Windows v9

Currently the website and online store don't say anything about an
academic version.  Is an academic version going to be available of
this?

    Thorsten

In article <a1ed16f9.0402241337.ecc8daf@posting.google.com>,
 froetho@charlie.iit.edu (Thorrsten Froehlich) wrote:

>MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message 
>news:<mwron-45D736.09583024022004@news.newsguy.com>...
>> It is with great pleasure that I am able to announce the release of 
>> CodeWarrior Development Tools for Mac OS and Windows v9
>
>Currently the website and online store don't say anything about an
>academic version.  Is an academic version going to be available of
>this?

Yes there will be,  Information should be on the web site soon.

Ron

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Does the windows package contains the CFM command line cross compilers?!
We'd like to compile our MacOS CFM sourcecode on windows with makefiles.

Is there going to be processor-specific optimization support for the G5
series?

Blair M. Burtan
Northern Lights Productions
http://www.northernlights3D.com

So how does this differ from the Win32 compiler add-on I bought with
CW 9 for Mac a month or two ago?

Northern Lights Info <info@northernlights3d.com> wrote in message news:<BC626718.7D48%info@northernlights3d.com>...
> Is there going to be processor-specific optimization support for the G5
> series?

Note that this is just a bundle of the Mac and Windows version of CW
DS 9.2, not a new version of CW DS. It is to be expected that it will
have exactly the same features as CW DS 9.2. So unless the CW DS 9.2
update contains optimisation for the PPC 970, this bundle won't
either.

    Thorsten

In article <a3856ae3.0402252217.1fb7a3c0@posting.google.com>,
 lally_spam_box@yahoo.com (Lally Singh) wrote:

>So how does this differ from the Win32 compiler add-on I bought with
>CW 9 for Mac a month or two ago?

These are Windows hosted tools that generate code for Windows.

Ron

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In article <BC626718.7D48%info@northernlights3d.com>,
 Northern Lights Info <info@northernlights3d.com> wrote:

>Is there going to be processor-specific optimization support for the G5
>series?

There currently is none.  As you probably know,  I can't comment on 
future products.

Ron

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Announcing  CodeWarrior Development Tools for Windows v9.2
http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/Windows/Professional/Default.htm
Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com - <http://www.metrowerks.com>

In article <a1ed16f9.0402260134.153d700@posting.google.com>,
 froetho@charlie.iit.edu (Thorrsten Froehlich) wrote:

>Northern Lights Info <info@northernlights3d.com> wrote in message 
>news:<BC626718.7D48%info@northernlights3d.com>...
>> Is there going to be processor-specific optimization support for the G5
>> series?
>
>Note that this is just a bundle of the Mac and Windows version of CW
>DS 9.2, not a new version of CW DS. It is to be expected that it will
>have exactly the same features as CW DS 9.2. So unless the CW DS 9.2
>update contains optimisation for the PPC 970, this bundle won't
>either.

I might mention that a 9.2 patch of CW for Windows is to come out in a 
few weeks, but it does not have any G5 specifics.

Ron

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Announcing  CodeWarrior Development Tools for Windows v9.2
http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/Windows/Professional/Default.htm
Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com - <http://www.metrowerks.com>

In article <22076b09.0402250840.489d4f4d@posting.google.com>,
 boga@mac.com (Mikl?s Fazekas) wrote:

>Does the windows package contains the CFM command line cross compilers?!
>We'd like to compile our MacOS CFM sourcecode on windows with makefiles.

No, use the command line tools from CW 8 if you need that.  There just 
wasn't that much change in PEF.  If you don't have CW 8 and buy CW 9  I 
can send you the command line tools.

By the way there is no Java tools either.

Ron

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Announcing  CodeWarrior Development Tools for Windows v9.2
http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Desktop/Windows/Professional/Default.htm
Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com - <http://www.metrowerks.com>

MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message news:<mwron-CD4BD3.09070625022004@news.newsguy.com>...
> In article <a1ed16f9.0402241337.ecc8daf@posting.google.com>,
>  froetho@charlie.iit.edu (Thorrsten Froehlich) wrote:
> 
> >MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message 
> >news:<mwron-45D736.09583024022004@news.newsguy.com>...
> >> It is with great pleasure that I am able to announce the release of 
> >> CodeWarrior Development Tools for Mac OS and Windows v9
> >
> >Currently the website and online store don't say anything about an
> >academic version.  Is an academic version going to be available of
> >this?
> 
> Yes there will be,  Information should be on the web site soon.

Hmm, currently the online store does not list it (March 2nd, 9:34 GMT)
and there does not seem to be any other sign of it on the website yet.

    Thorsten

In article <a1ed16f9.0403020138.435f0dad@posting.google.com>,
 froetho@charlie.iit.edu (Thorrsten Froehlich) wrote:

>MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message 
>news:<mwron-CD4BD3.09070625022004@news.newsguy.com>...
>> In article <a1ed16f9.0402241337.ecc8daf@posting.google.com>,
>>  froetho@charlie.iit.edu (Thorrsten Froehlich) wrote:
>> 
>> >MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message 
>> >news:<mwron-45D736.09583024022004@news.newsguy.com>...
>> >> It is with great pleasure that I am able to announce the release of 
>> >> CodeWarrior Development Tools for Mac OS and Windows v9
>> >
>> >Currently the website and online store don't say anything about an
>> >academic version.  Is an academic version going to be available of
>> >this?
>> 
>> Yes there will be,  Information should be on the web site soon.
>
>Hmm, currently the online store does not list it (March 2nd, 9:34 GMT)
>and there does not seem to be any other sign of it on the website yet.

I'm told they won't have it ready until the end of the week.  The 
product manager had surgery and this has cause some of the burearacy to 
get delayed.

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Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com - <http://www.metrowerks.com>

MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message news:<mwron-FEB556.10330002032004@news.newsguy.com>...
> >> >Currently the website and online store don't say anything about an
> >> >academic version.  Is an academic version going to be available of
> >> >this?
> >> 
> >> Yes there will be,  Information should be on the web site soon.
> >
> >Hmm, currently the online store does not list it (March 2nd, 9:34 GMT)
> >and there does not seem to be any other sign of it on the website yet.
> 
> I'm told they won't have it ready until the end of the week.  The 
> product manager had surgery and this has cause some of the burearacy to 
> get delayed.

Dear Ron,

I did indeed manage to order the academic version of the tools.  And
they did arrive today.  So far, so good.  However, what I paid for
shipping is far from acceptable!

First I can only select FedEx International shipping for a "tiny" fee
- US$14.10. Does not sound too much, now does it? Well, upon arrival I
had the expected 16% value added tax ready, and was surprised that I
not only pay tax for the import (as expected), but that FedEx also
charges 8.35 Euros of administartion fee for this service. So, in
total I paid: US$75 for the CW Pro 9 Academic, and US$21 for shipping.
 Thus, I paid an additional 28% of the sales price for shipping of
just a half pound of stuff!!!

I frequently order English books and DVDs at Amazon.com for shipping
to Germany. They use regular airmail.  It takes seven to ten days, but
I pay just US$9 (US$4.49 per book plus US$4.49 per shipment) for a
single five pound book or US$7 for a single DVD (US$ 2.49 per DVD).
And I don't have to pay some odd FedEx administration fee for
processing by the postal service either!

Given that I waited many month until the CW 9 academic version was
available, waiting another five days for it to arrive via regular
airmail would not have killed me.  In conclusion, I am *happy* with
the product and the support, but *not* with the hassle to get
up-to-date versions.  I seriously get the impression that Merowerks
sales management has zero interest in international or academic
end-users. Maybe you should mention to your sales management that
there are now three compilers available for the Mac...

I don't use the other two compilers for various reasons, but if
Metrowerks does not want to sell their products to me in a fair manner
and at the same time (or only a bit later) as commercial versions are
available, next time I need to upgrade, I will first look elsewhere
before I buy another upgrade from Metrowerks!

    Thorsten Fr�hlich

In article <a1ed16f9.0403080433.6fa32d02@posting.google.com>,
 froetho@charlie.iit.edu (Thorrsten Froehlich) wrote:

 
>I did indeed manage to order the academic version of the tools.  And
>they did arrive today.  So far, so good.  However, what I paid for
>shipping is far from acceptable!
>
>First I can only select FedEx International shipping for a "tiny" fee
>- US$14.10. Does not sound too much, now does it? Well, upon arrival I
>had the expected 16% value added tax ready, and was surprised that I
>not only pay tax for the import (as expected), but that FedEx also
>charges 8.35 Euros of administartion fee for this service. So, in
>total I paid: US$75 for the CW Pro 9 Academic, and US$21 for shipping.
> Thus, I paid an additional 28% of the sales price for shipping of
>just a half pound of stuff!!!

We can't compare software shipping fees to books since Books are 
classified differently and have a lower rate.  Also Amazon.com has such 
a high volume they can shop around and get lower fees from the various 
shippers.   What I can do is forward you complaint to our sales 
coordinator to Digital River and we can file a suggestion/complaint with 
them that way.    Perhaps Digital River (the fullfillment house that 
does the collecting and shipping for us) is not aware that FedEx was 
charging twice.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

Ron



>
>I frequently order English books and DVDs at Amazon.com for shipping
>to Germany. They use regular airmail.  It takes seven to ten days, but
>I pay just US$9 (US$4.49 per book plus US$4.49 per shipment) for a
>single five pound book or US$7 for a single DVD (US$ 2.49 per DVD).
>And I don't have to pay some odd FedEx administration fee for
>processing by the postal service either!
>
>Given that I waited many month until the CW 9 academic version was
>available, waiting another five days for it to arrive via regular
>airmail would not have killed me.  In conclusion, I am *happy* with
>the product and the support, but *not* with the hassle to get
>up-to-date versions.  I seriously get the impression that Merowerks
>sales management has zero interest in international or academic
>end-users. Maybe you should mention to your sales management that
>there are now three compilers available for the Mac...
>
>I don't use the other two compilers for various reasons, but if
>Metrowerks does not want to sell their products to me in a fair manner
>and at the same time (or only a bit later) as commercial versions are
>available, next time I need to upgrade, I will first look elsewhere
>before I buy another upgrade from Metrowerks!
>
>    Thorsten Fr�hlich

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What is the status of Java within CodeWarrior?  I don't see it
mentioned, and I have read a couple of posts that imply CW will no
longer be supporting Java.

I have just gotten my team converted from JBuilder to CW.  They are not
going to be happy if they now learn that CW is dropping support for
Java... :-(

-- 
- Burt Johnson
  MindStorm, Inc.
  http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html

In article <1gaubq0.ygmqlm2tiwg0N%burt@mindstorm-inc.com>,
 burt@mindstorm-inc.com (Burt Johnson) wrote:

> What is the status of Java within CodeWarrior?  I don't see it
> mentioned, and I have read a couple of posts that imply CW will no
> longer be supporting Java.
> 
> I have just gotten my team converted from JBuilder to CW.  They are not
> going to be happy if they now learn that CW is dropping support for
> Java... :-(

In the thread with subject CodeWarrior java compiler question

MW Ron states 
"CodeWarrior is wrong.   Basically it needed a new compiler and we put 
bandages on the old one until it just was not suitable.  This is one of 
the reasons we did not have Java Plugins with CW 9."

The reason I never upgraded to CW 9 was because of the lack of Java. And 
now based on that comment from Ron it would appear to be that the reason 
was that MW did not have sufficient resources to come up with a new 
compiler.

There were several postings about htis, including mine, at the time that 
CW 9 came out. Perhaps yo missed them.

Looks like you might have to use XCode, which is pretty good.
I'll look at MW again when they offer the complete package of C,C++,Java 
the way they used to. In the meantime I do all of my work using XCode, I 
guess because i'm too lazy to use two different development IDE's.

Pity.... because I've been a longtime fan of CW.....

respect....

Peter

In article 
<noone-3DFD4E.12554819032004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
 Peter Teeson <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

> The reason I never upgraded to CW 9 was because of the lack of Java. And 
> now based on that comment from Ron it would appear to be that the reason 
> was that MW did not have sufficient resources to come up with a new 
> compiler.

What I find really annoying is that Ron has been beating around the bush 
regarding Java support (and Windows support, until CW 9 was announced) 
since CW 9 for OS X was announced.  Without a Java compiler in sight, 
there is not doubt that my department is going to drop CodeWarrior and 
move to a combination of Visual C++ and JBuilder as soon as the semester 
is over.  No matter how much I may prefer CW over VC, the main 
justification for using CW in our labs has always been that students 
would have the same environment for their Java-based introductory 
courses and C++-based advanced courses. 

Regards,

jyh.

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jean-yves herv� <jyh@cs.uri.edu> wrote:

> What I find really annoying is that Ron has been beating around the bush
> regarding Java support (and Windows support, until CW 9 was announced)
> since CW 9 for OS X was announced.  Without a Java compiler in sight,
> there is not doubt that my department is going to drop CodeWarrior and
> move to a combination of Visual C++ and JBuilder as soon as the semester
> is over.  No matter how much I may prefer CW over VC, the main 
> justification for using CW in our labs has always been that students 
> would have the same environment for their Java-based introductory 
> courses and C++-based advanced courses. 

I have been a fan of CodeWarrior since around 1990, when the first
version came out.  Since the late 90's I have convinced several others
to use based on the prospect of using the same IDE for both Mac and
Windows and for both C++ and Java.  

If CW is dropping Java, then I will have no choice but to abandon CW.
it is a real shame, as I think it is vastly superior to JBuilder, but
without Java it just isn't much good to me at all... :-(

-- 
- Burt Johnson
  MindStorm, Inc.
  http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html

In article <1gawoss.1q71sk61xfryvcN%burt@mindstorm-inc.com>,
 burt@mindstorm-inc.com (Burt Johnson) wrote:
<snip>
> I have been a fan of CodeWarrior since around 1990, when the first
> version came out.  Since the late 90's I have convinced several others
> to use based on the prospect of using the same IDE for both Mac and
> Windows and for both C++ and Java.  
> 
> If CW is dropping Java, then I will have no choice but to abandon CW.
> it is a real shame, as I think it is vastly superior to JBuilder, but
> without Java it just isn't much good to me at all... :-(

Agreed. But let's remember that Ron is only the messenger and he is not 
responsible for policy decisions. Also that Motorola/Metrowerks has to 
make choices of the resources they apply to various projects.

I'm willing to cut them some slack but if there is no Java plugin for 9 
or 10 then I think MW will lose quite a few customers.

Anyway I'll wait and see.....

respect.....

Peter

Peter Teeson <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Agreed. But let's remember that Ron is only the messenger and he is not
> responsible for policy decisions. Also that Motorola/Metrowerks has to
> make choices of the resources they apply to various projects.
> 
> I'm willing to cut them some slack but if there is no Java plugin for 9
> or 10 then I think MW will lose quite a few customers.
> 
> Anyway I'll wait and see.....

I really don't care who the messenger is.  Though MWRon has done a heck
of a job for several years, if his company no longer makes a useful
product, I have no choice but to move on.

Without Java, there is no Codewarrior for me.  Java accounts for 90+% of
my work for the past 4 years.

-- 
- Burt Johnson
  MindStorm, Inc.
  http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html

In article <jyh-C0C4FE.14345619032004@clamcake.uri.edu>,
 jean-yves herv� <jyh@cs.uri.edu> wrote:

>In article 
><noone-3DFD4E.12554819032004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
> Peter Teeson <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> The reason I never upgraded to CW 9 was because of the lack of Java. And 
>> now based on that comment from Ron it would appear to be that the reason 
>> was that MW did not have sufficient resources to come up with a new 
>> compiler.
>
>What I find really annoying is that Ron has been beating around the bush 
>regarding Java support (and Windows support, until CW 9 was announced) 
>since CW 9 for OS X was announced.

Until FreeScale IPO is over I can't say (or even hint) as to what the 
future of Metrowerks is.  I can say what the short plans are.   Up until 
January I expected a Java plugin to be available in this quarter.   That 
is why my comments were "beating around the bush" we have legal 
restrictions about this.

There obviously won't be any Java plugins this quarter, and I don't see 
any thing for the next quarter at this time.  I still can't comment on 
the long term plans.   I really wish I could.

Ron



> Without a Java compiler in sight, 
>there is not doubt that my department is going to drop CodeWarrior and 
>move to a combination of Visual C++ and JBuilder as soon as the semester 
>is over.  No matter how much I may prefer CW over VC, the main 
>justification for using CW in our labs has always been that students 
>would have the same environment for their Java-based introductory 
>courses and C++-based advanced courses.

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MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

> Until FreeScale IPO is over I can't say (or even hint) as to what the
> future of Metrowerks is.  I can say what the short plans are.   Up until
> January I expected a Java plugin to be available in this quarter.   That
> is why my comments were "beating around the bush" we have legal 
> restrictions about this.

What IPO is this?  MW is owned by Motorola, isn't it?  Are you being
spun off, or is this something else?

-- 
- Burt Johnson
  MindStorm, Inc.
  http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html

In article <1gb1slg.1mls3iu1psq894N%burt@mindstorm-inc.com>,
 burt@mindstorm-inc.com (Burt Johnson) wrote:

> MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:
> 
> > Until FreeScale IPO is over I can't say (or even hint) as to what the
> > future of Metrowerks is.  I can say what the short plans are.   Up until
> > January I expected a Java plugin to be available in this quarter.   That
> > is why my comments were "beating around the bush" we have legal 
> > restrictions about this.
> 
> What IPO is this?  MW is owned by Motorola, isn't it?  Are you being
> spun off, or is this something else?

Yes they are being spun off......

respect...

Peter

In article <1gb1slg.1mls3iu1psq894N%burt@mindstorm-inc.com>,
do-not-email@nowhere.com (nobody) wrote:

> MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:
> 
> > Until FreeScale IPO is over I can't say (or even hint) as to what the
> > future of Metrowerks is.  I can say what the short plans are.   Up until
> > January I expected a Java plugin to be available in this quarter.   That
> > is why my comments were "beating around the bush" we have legal 
> > restrictions about this.
> 
> What IPO is this?  MW is owned by Motorola, isn't it?  Are you being
> spun off, or is this something else?

http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5579949503.html

The argument is that two companies, one centered on cellphones and
the other on semiconductors, could attract more investment than
one large company with a mixed mission.  Whether this is the case
or not is questionable.  More certain is that this is an activity
performed by the managerial class, giving them something to do,
and will result in a net increase in the number of managers.

In article <1gb1slg.1mls3iu1psq894N%burt@mindstorm-inc.com>,
 burt@mindstorm-inc.com (Burt Johnson) wrote:

>MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:
>
>> Until FreeScale IPO is over I can't say (or even hint) as to what the
>> future of Metrowerks is.  I can say what the short plans are.   Up until
>> January I expected a Java plugin to be available in this quarter.   That
>> is why my comments were "beating around the bush" we have legal 
>> restrictions about this.
>
>What IPO is this?  MW is owned by Motorola, isn't it?  Are you being
>spun off, or is this something else?


Metrowerks is a wholly owned subsidiary of Motorola and is under the 
managment of the semiconductor product sector division  (AKA Motorola 
SPS).  Motorola has decided to spin this Semiconductor Product Sector 
division off into a separate corporation and it will be listed on the 
stock exchange and have an initial price offering when it is launched.  
Metrowerks will be part of the new corporation.

http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=FreeScale+Semiconductor&C
IK=&filenum=&State=&SIC=&owner=include&action=getcompany

Because of this IPO we (as part of the new FreeScale Semiconductor 
Corporation) are not allowed by the SEC to reveal any leading 
disclosures for something over 3 months away.

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MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

> Metrowerks is a wholly owned subsidiary of Motorola and is under the 
> managment of the semiconductor product sector division  (AKA Motorola
> SPS).  Motorola has decided to spin this Semiconductor Product Sector
> division off into a separate corporation and it will be listed on the
> stock exchange and have an initial price offering when it is launched.
> Metrowerks will be part of the new corporation.
> 
> http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=FreeScale+Semiconductor&C
> IK=&filenum=&State=&SIC=&owner=include&action=getcompany
> 
> Because of this IPO we (as part of the new FreeScale Semiconductor 
> Corporation) are not allowed by the SEC to reveal any leading 
> disclosures for something over 3 months away.

Thanks. That clears up the situation.


-- 
- Burt Johnson
  MindStorm, Inc.
  http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html

In article <mwron-0D41E8.11172823032004@news.newsguy.com>,
MW Ron  <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:
>   ...
>Because of this IPO we (as part of the new FreeScale Semiconductor 
>Corporation) are not allowed by the SEC to reveal any leading 
>disclosures for something over 3 months away.

So from this one can come to the conclusion that anything not
revealed/discussed is at least 3 months away

-- 
					-- Rod --
rodd(at)polylogics(dot)com

In article <c3qemn$9oa$1@reader1.panix.com>,
 rodd@panix.com (Rod Dorman) wrote:

>In article <mwron-0D41E8.11172823032004@news.newsguy.com>,
>MW Ron  <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:
>>   ...
>>Because of this IPO we (as part of the new FreeScale Semiconductor 
>>Corporation) are not allowed by the SEC to reveal any leading 
>>disclosures for something over 3 months away.
>
>So from this one can come to the conclusion that anything not
>revealed/discussed is at least 3 months away

Not for everything,  marketing actually likes to keep discutssions to 
the current quarter.  So you can't bet the farm on it... but it is a 
good rule of thumb.

Ron

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 offers "emulator-like" debugging support for HCS12 derivatives
 http://www.metrowerks.com/MW/Develop/Embedded/HC12/Default.htm

Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com - http://www.metrowerks.com

In article <mwron-27FA0F.18305323032004@news.newsguy.com>,
 MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

>In article <c3qemn$9oa$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> rodd@panix.com (Rod Dorman) wrote:
>
>>In article <mwron-0D41E8.11172823032004@news.newsguy.com>,
>>MW Ron  <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:
>>>   ...
>>>Because of this IPO we (as part of the new FreeScale Semiconductor 
>>>Corporation) are not allowed by the SEC to reveal any leading 
>>>disclosures for something over 3 months away.
>>
>>So from this one can come to the conclusion that anything not
>>revealed/discussed is at least 3 months away
>
>Not for everything,  marketing actually likes to keep discutssions to 
>the current quarter.  So you can't bet the farm on it... but it is a 
>good rule of thumb.

Taking another look,  I think the policy in most cases is just 30 days 
advance disclosure.  And no "roadmaps" at all.

Ron

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