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a hooper <hooper@pedallart.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> I am looking to buy a new inkjet for home use, fairly heavy WP use but
> also need reasonable colour quality.
> 
> Any info would be most appreciated. At present I have an Epson colour 600,
> with a clogged up print head, and cost of repair is so high that I might
> as well buy a new one.

I too have a 600 and it clogs by a rediculous amount, this is actually
my 2nd printer, the old one got so clogged up that no amount of cleaning
would fix it and so I returned it under warrantee and Epson subsequently
lost it and sent me a new one.  This printer now clogs up if I don't use
it for a few days, I didn't use it for about 36 hours and in that period
only 4 of the red nozzles continued to work out of something like 30.
However the quality is reasonable once you've cleaned it, my friend just
bought a Stylus Photo 750 and the printouts are absolutely stunning,
especially on the photo paper, on the basis of those printouts I really
couldn't fault it.  He hasn't mentioned any problems with it clogging up
either, he has only had it about a month though.
The Epsons seem to be about the only serious choice, there are a couple
of HP models too but I'm not sure how committed to the Mac HP are.
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In article <37127E99.2BA4B41F@pedallart.freeserve.co.uk>,
a hooper <hooper@pedallart.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>I am looking to buy a new inkjet for home use, fairly heavy WP use but also need
>reasonable colour quality.

The concensus is that the Epson 740 is superb. I know two people who have
them and from what I can see, I agree. As a photo quality colour printer,
on the special paper, it's simply amazing.

A possible drawback for you; it's not the fastest printer of all time. But
then at the price it wouldn't be; it's quite acceptable unless you're doing
large runs.

As for clogging; the guys I know are occcasional users, with sometimes
week-long intervals between print jobs, and they have no problems that I
know of.

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In article <1dq6ewx.ipt5gshynleaN@pwomar.demon.co.uk>, Paul Womar
<{$PW$}@pwomar.demon.co.uk> wrote:

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>a hooper <hooper@pedallart.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I am looking to buy a new inkjet for home use, fairly heavy WP use but
>> also need reasonable colour quality.
>> 
>> Any info would be most appreciated. At present I have an Epson colour 600,
>> with a clogged up print head, and cost of repair is so high that I might
>> as well buy a new one.
>
>I too have a 600 and it clogs by a rediculous amount, this is actually
>my 2nd printer, the old one got so clogged up that no amount of cleaning
>would fix it and so I returned it under warrantee and Epson subsequently
>lost it and sent me a new one.  This printer now clogs up if I don't use
>it for a few days, I didn't use it for about 36 hours and in that period
>only 4 of the red nozzles continued to work out of something like 30.
>However the quality is reasonable once you've cleaned it, my friend just
>bought a Stylus Photo 750 and the printouts are absolutely stunning,
>especially on the photo paper, on the basis of those printouts I really
>couldn't fault it.  He hasn't mentioned any problems with it clogging up
>either, he has only had it about a month though.
>The Epsons seem to be about the only serious choice, there are a couple
>of HP models too but I'm not sure how committed to the Mac HP are.

Get today's MacUser magazine for a review of what's available. In
truth, since HP went AWOL (they're semi-back with the advent of the USB
bus), there isn't enough competition in this market nowadays -- so it
is fortuitous that the Epson range is so good and so cheap (no
affiliation).

Top-rated by MacUser is the Epson 740 ("stunning photo-realistic
colour" and pretty good text - albeit not fast). For 140 quid (+VAT), I
think it would be rude, and daft, not to buy one.

If you want more of an office printer then a couple of the other Epson
models are preferred by MacUser for their speed, but greater speed
equals less photorealistic colour. Best text output of all was from the
Epson 1200 which looked head and shoulders above the rest in the output
pictures and every bit as crisp as a laser printer.

The output of the HP and Lexmark models seemed minor league by
comparison.

My own Epson 1520 (almost A2) printer is down to an amazing �315 + VAT
(over �200 less than I paid 18 months ago). It's a bit big for many
home users but for a small studio it's a very cheap way to impress
clients and make money.

It must be said though that the catch with all of these printers is
that they cost quite a bit to run. The Epson models definitely give of
their best when used with Epson brand paper and inks and the company
has decided to make its money on the consumables rather than the
hardware. Fair enough, but be prepared.

Stan

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In article <37127E99.2BA4B41F@pedallart.freeserve.co.uk>,
a hooper <hooper@pedallart.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>
>I am looking to buy a new inkjet for home use, fairly heavy WP use but also need
>reasonable colour quality.
>
The Epson 750 uses a 6-colour system that gives reasonable quality
(although the ALPS printers apparently work better on plain paper - but not
on coated).

The Epson 740 and faster 900 use a 4-colour system which should be similar
to your 600 in quality, although there have been technical improvements so
they should be a little better (esp. the 900).

If you don't want to buy another Epson you could look at ALPS, or get
PowerPrint which should let you connect to any printer (a bit pricy
though).

-- 
Paul K.

Stan The Man <chaps@netcomuk.co.ukX> wrote:

> Top-rated by MacUser is the Epson 740 ("stunning photo-realistic
> colour" and pretty good text - albeit not fast). For 140 quid (+VAT), I
> think it would be rude, and daft, not to buy one.

The extra 2 inks in the Photo range (like the 750) really make a
difference so if quality is very important then the extra 30 quid or so
should be great value.
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Peter Ceresole <peter@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <37127E99.2BA4B41F@pedallart.freeserve.co.uk>,
> a hooper <hooper@pedallart.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >I am looking to buy a new inkjet for home use, fairly heavy WP use but
> >also need reasonable colour quality.
> 
> The concensus is that the Epson 740 is superb. I know two people who have
> them and from what I can see, I agree. As a photo quality colour printer,
> on the special paper, it's simply amazing.
> 
> A possible drawback for you; it's not the fastest printer of all time. But
> then at the price it wouldn't be; it's quite acceptable unless you're
> doing
> large runs.

I would offer exactly the same advice, but I should add:

good plain black text results on ordinary copier paper can be hard to
come by - some paper seems to soak up the ink, other brands do much
better. You need to have some more expensive inkjet paper for important
printing.

this printer has an amazing secret built-in tilt detector, so accurate
and sensitive  that it can be used to put up shelves. The detector works
by making paper jam and foul up the mechanism if your shelves are even a
tiny bit not horizontal.

> As for clogging; the guys I know are occcasional users, with sometimes
> week-long intervals between print jobs, and they have no problems that I
> know of.

These Epson inkjet heads are not replaced when you change the ink
cartridge. They have to last the life of the printer. While this means
they are probably higher quality to begin with, there is more danger of
permanent damage. I would be interested to know whether third-party ink
supplies are more likely to cause this.

Daniele procida
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In article <1dq70y4.1t0kj0a18fwfmoN@modem-58.name7.dialup.pol.co.uk>,
dmp@applejuice.freeserve.co.uk (Apple Juice) wrote:

>These Epson inkjet heads are not replaced when you change the ink
>cartridge. They have to last the life of the printer. While this means
>they are probably higher quality to begin with, there is more danger of
>permanent damage.

I have no experience of the Epson carts, only of refilling Canon ones. The
main limitation on those (about two refills before they got *really*
grotty) seemed to be scoring damage to the copper or bronze, not sure which
but soft as butter, print head. I presume that the Epson fixed heads are
something else again, and much harder. But the piezo technology ink
delivery was jolly impressive feom what I could see.

Photocopying paper seemed to work quite well with black and white printing.
Especially the "medium" quality which seems to deliver less ink, and is
certainly much, much faster. This is purely subjective on my part; I didn't
examine the output under a glass.

>I would be interested to know whether third-party ink
>supplies are more likely to cause this.

Is there such a thing as a cleaning fluid? With the old ink jets you could
use water and it worked. I presume that the Epson inks are waterproof, so
that probably wouldn't work. But there is probably some way of maintaining
the heads, apart from the automatic cleaning they seem to get at startup.

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Peter Ceresole wrote:
> 
> In article <1dq70y4.1t0kj0a18fwfmoN@modem-58.name7.dialup.pol.co.uk>,
> dmp@applejuice.freeserve.co.uk (Apple Juice) wrote:
> 
> >These Epson inkjet heads are not replaced when you change the ink
> >cartridge. They have to last the life of the printer. While this means
> >they are probably higher quality to begin with, there is more danger of
> >permanent damage.

The epson heads are on each cartridge. Thats what makes em different to
normal
inkjets which keep the nozzles on the printer itself.

Thats why the epson ones are more expensive.

M.
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In article <371493E6.48F92E68@nortelnetworks.com>,
Matt Johnston <mjohnstn@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:

>The epson heads are on each cartridge. Thats what makes em different to
>normal inkjets which keep the nozzles on the printer itself.

HP cartridges definitely have the nozzles on the cartridge. I always
thought one of the features of the peizo inkjet was that the head was in
the printer.

Paul Durrant

In article <371493E6.48F92E68@nortelnetworks.com>,
Matt Johnston <mjohnstn@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:

>The epson heads are on each cartridge. Thats what makes em different to
>normal
>inkjets which keep the nozzles on the printer itself.

Are you sure about that? Canon and Hewlett Packard ink jet carts have the
heads, with heaters and nozzles, built in, and are changed each time you
change the cart.

I think you have it the wrong way about.

-- 
Peter

Paul Durrant wrote:
> 
> In article <371493E6.48F92E68@nortelnetworks.com>,
> Matt Johnston <mjohnstn@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:
> 
> >The epson heads are on each cartridge. Thats what makes em different to
> >normal inkjets which keep the nozzles on the printer itself.
> 
> HP cartridges definitely have the nozzles on the cartridge. I always
> thought one of the features of the peizo inkjet was that the head was in
> the printer.

I thought the opposite. hmm..I'm probably completely wrong...

M.

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          You can't cross a chasm in two small jumps.

Matt Johnston <mjohnstn@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:

> The epson heads are on each cartridge. Thats what makes em different to
> normal
> inkjets which keep the nozzles on the printer itself.

It is the opposite.  I've had Cannon and HP inkjets and you can quite
clearly see the electronics on both of the cartidges as opposed to the
bit of fil on the Epson.
 
> Thats why the epson ones are more expensive.

No, they are expensive so that they get a constant cash stream and can
sell good printers dirt cheap.
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Matt Johnston <mjohnstn@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:

> Peter Ceresole wrote:
> > 
> > In article <1dq70y4.1t0kj0a18fwfmoN@modem-58.name7.dialup.pol.co.uk>,
> > dmp@applejuice.freeserve.co.uk (Apple Juice) wrote:
> > 
> > >These Epson inkjet heads are not replaced when you change the ink
> > >cartridge. They have to last the life of the printer. While this means
> > >they are probably higher quality to begin with, there is more danger of
> > >permanent damage.
> 
> The epson heads are on each cartridge. Thats what makes em different to
> normal
> inkjets which keep the nozzles on the printer itself.
> 
> Thats why the epson ones are more expensive.
> 

Not as far as I know. There are jets on other printer cartridges (eg HP
500 and 600 series) but the Epson has the jets as part of the printer
(at least the ones I've seen).

-- 
Adrian

Matt Johnston <mjohnstn@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:

> The epson heads are on each cartridge. Thats what makes em different to
> normal
> inkjets which keep the nozzles on the printer itself.
> 
> Thats why the epson ones are more expensive.

That's true, but only if you negate each sentence.

Daniele
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