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R.T. Cutler has weighed in in favor of Domino's--and has called all you folks
out there that like Star, or Pizzeria Uno, or Birra Poretti's (my favorite)
snobs! Imagine that, pizza snobs. Is this possible? I mean, we're not talking
about wine here or anything.

Hey, R.T.: chill, dude. I eat Dominos too. My kids actually prefer it. It gets
here hot, quick & cheap. We don't know about freezing it: we never have
leftovers.

But I eat at McDonald's too sometimes.

Actually--to remove this from the realm of argument--my REAL favorite is the
pizza my wife makes here at home. It's not like anything anybody else serves,
but it tastes a heck of a lot better.

As we say in Latin, "de gustibus non disputandum." Which in French means,
"Chacun a son gout." Which in English means, "It's a free country and if you
like Domino's best it doesn't mean you're a bad person." :-)


William Porter  * * * Classical Languages: University of Houston
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In article <1992Aug11.040921.8943@usho93.hou281.chevron.com> hrtcu@usho52.hou281.chevron.com (R.T.Cutler) writes:
>This posting is going to break all your rules, but I'm getting tired 
>of hearing about some snooty pizza joint that may or may not be reduced
>to serving soggy crusts and, God help us all, a woody taste.

Ok, though I admit to liking snooty pizza, it's not practical for
me to have it all the time.  My favorite quick+low cost alternative
is Gattis.  I like the flavor of their crust and the Provolone cheese
they use (though no else I know seems to).  Their delivery is
not as good as Dominoes though - sometimes less than 1/2 hour, but
often more like 45 min.

Don't know about freezing them though :-).  Don't like 'em nuked
either, they get all soggy.  As much as it digusts my roomate, I
often eat leftover pizza cold.

In article <1992Aug11.040921.8943@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>, hrtcu@usho52.hou281.chevron.com (R.T.Cutler) writes...
>This posting is going to break all your rules, but I'm getting tired 
>of hearing about some snooty pizza joint that may or may not be reduced
>to serving soggy crusts and, God help us all, a woody taste.
> 
>I just got back from running a Hash through the storm sewers and 
>forests of Sugarland (if any of you know what the hell I'm talking about
>I'll be surprised), and I got my Domino's pizza in -- yes-- less than 30
>minutes.  Actually, considerably less.  It seems to be a recurring
>miracle.
> 
>At any rate, this happens to be good pizza.  Now, I know that all you
>pizza cognoscenti are talking wisely about the Chicago school of pizza --
>well, as it happens I was in Chicago in the 70's, which is the era that 
>I suspect is the source of this wisdom -- and let me say, seriously --
>real seriously -- this is better pizza than Uno's or Due's (the originals,
>with their ridiculous noise levels), and MILES better pizza than Nicky's
>(in the U of C neighborhood on 53rd street -- God knows whether it is 
>still there -- actually, I hope not).

(stuff on freezing pizza deleted)

      It seems we need two (or maybe three) categories - best resturant,
best take-out, and best Pizza as food.

      We used to order a lot of dominos from the one on Kirby
and it was as good as most pizza I've eaten, but when we moved near UH, 
the Domino's over there wasn't worth eating, freezing, or giving to the dog.
      So, even though they are a franchise, the quality varies.  At their best
I agree that they are good.

      I've never eaten pizza in Chicago, so "chicago style" just means thick
crust/deep dish style to me.  Best I ever had was years ago in a place I can't 
remember the name of in Denver.

      We occasionally get Star take-out, so I guess it is my favorite pizza
as food, but a good Domino's is head and shoulders over Pizza Hut, Inn, or 
Little Ceasar's.  


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I would have to say that the best pizza I had was cooked in my own kitched.
The ready made crusts that you can get in the store as well as the pre-cut
pepperoni turns out a relatively good pizza.  I like to make it a family
event where everyone puts the topping that they want on their own pizza.
This is great for kids because they get a feeling of actually creating
something and they get to eat it afterwards.

Making a pizza like this takes less time than Domino's to deliver and
it costs about the same.  If it tastes bad, it's your own fault for
putting bad cheese or anchovies on that slice.

Anyway, where is the on-on-on?

Pat Shuff
SE Sun Houston

In article <11AUG199209541921@jetson.uh.edu>, rcte4@jetson.uh.edu (Carpenter, Scot M.) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug11.040921.8943@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>, hrtcu@usho52.hou281.chevron.com (R.T.Cutler) writes...
|> >This posting is going to break all your rules, but I'm getting tired 
|> >of hearing about some snooty pizza joint that may or may not be reduced
|> >to serving soggy crusts and, God help us all, a woody taste.
|> > 
|> >I just got back from running a Hash through the storm sewers and 
|> >forests of Sugarland (if any of you know what the hell I'm talking about
|> >I'll be surprised), and I got my Domino's pizza in -- yes-- less than 30
|> >minutes.  Actually, considerably less.  It seems to be a recurring
|> >miracle.
|> > 
|> >At any rate, this happens to be good pizza.  Now, I know that all you
|> >pizza cognoscenti are talking wisely about the Chicago school of pizza --
|> >well, as it happens I was in Chicago in the 70's, which is the era that 
|> >I suspect is the source of this wisdom -- and let me say, seriously --
|> >real seriously -- this is better pizza than Uno's or Due's (the originals,
|> >with their ridiculous noise levels), and MILES better pizza than Nicky's
|> >(in the U of C neighborhood on 53rd street -- God knows whether it is 
|> >still there -- actually, I hope not).
|> 
|> (stuff on freezing pizza deleted)
|> 
|>       It seems we need two (or maybe three) categories - best resturant,
|> best take-out, and best Pizza as food.
|> 
|>       We used to order a lot of dominos from the one on Kirby
|> and it was as good as most pizza I've eaten, but when we moved near UH, 
|> the Domino's over there wasn't worth eating, freezing, or giving to the dog.
|>       So, even though they are a franchise, the quality varies.  At their best
|> I agree that they are good.
|> 
|>       I've never eaten pizza in Chicago, so "chicago style" just means thick
|> crust/deep dish style to me.  Best I ever had was years ago in a place I can't 
|> remember the name of in Denver.
|> 
|>       We occasionally get Star take-out, so I guess it is my favorite pizza
|> as food, but a good Domino's is head and shoulders over Pizza Hut, Inn, or 
|> Little Ceasar's.  
|> 
|> 
|> |	Politics-A strife of interests	|	My Inner Child		|
|> |	masquerading as a contest of	|	 was kidnapped 		|
|> |	principles. A. Bierce		|	  by gypsies		|
|> |	Scot Carpenter RCTE4@Jetson.uh.edu 				|

One more thought concerning Star Pizza (sort of).  The best way to
have Star Pizza (IMHO) is at Munchie's, a bar/pub on Richmond.  They
have a Star menu, and they will take your order, call Star and have
them deliver (which arrives with reasonable promptness, in my experience).
You can them consume it with your favorite beer, often while listening to
live music.  Just a thought :)

-jps

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Maybe I'm missing something here among the Great Pizza Debate, but I
don't think I've ever had a bad pizza. It might just be me, but it
seems that pizza comes in varied shades of good, never bad.

ObPizza : These are a few of my favorite things :)

Tombstone Special-order 4-cheese - throw on your own fresh vegetables,
and it really is pretty good.

Imos - St. Louis tradition. The White Castle of pizza.

Star - Especially Joe's

Mario's - In Clear Lake on Nasa 1. For lunch, they give you a 12 inch
pizza and a salad for about 3.95, extra ingredients about 70 cents
each. They make a great mushroom and onion pizza.

Now for a real debate, who has the best french fries in town????? My
vote goes to any McDonalds.

bab
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In article <BAB.92Aug11145030@se39.wg2.waii.com>, bab@se39.wg2.waii.com
(Brian Button) wrote:
> 
> 
> Mario's - In Clear Lake on Nasa 1. For lunch, they give you a 12 inch
> pizza and a salad for about 3.95, extra ingredients about 70 cents
> each. They make a great mushroom and onion pizza.
> 

I have to put in a vote for Anthony's in Clear Lake (on Pineloch at El
Camino). Also, Anthony's, the restaurant on Montrose has excellant pizza
from their wood fired oven. Hmmm, I detect a pattern here.

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In article <BAB.92Aug11145030@se39.wg2.waii.com> bab@se39.wg2.waii.com (Brian Button) writes:

>
>Now for a real debate, who has the best french fries in town????? My
>vote goes to any McDonalds.
>
>bab
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The best fries in the world are hot McDonald's fries.  The worst fries in
the world are cold McDonald's fries.  And you never know which you'll buy.

-di
di@stat.tamu.edu

In article <BAB.92Aug11145030@se39.wg2.waii.com> bab@se39.wg2.waii.com (Brian Button) writes:
>
>Now for a real debate, who has the best french fries in town????? My
>vote goes to any McDonalds.
>
>bab
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The best fries in town are hot McDonald's fries; the worst are cold
McDonald's fries.  And you never know which you'll buy.

-Di
di@stat.tamu.edu

In article <1992Aug11.040921.8943@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>, hrtcu@usho52.hou281.chevron.com (R.T.Cutler) writes:

|> I got my Domino's pizza in -- yes-- less than 30
|> minutes.  Actually, considerably less.  It seems to be a recurring
|> miracle.
|> 
|> At any rate, this happens to be good pizza.  Now, I know that all you
|> pizza cognoscenti are talking wisely about the Chicago school of pizza --
|> well, as it happens I was in Chicago in the 70's, which is the era that 
|> I suspect is the source of this wisdom -- and let me say, seriously --
|> real seriously -- this is better pizza than Uno's or Due's (the originals,
|> with their ridiculous noise levels), and MILES better pizza than Nicky's
|> (in the U of C neighborhood on 53rd street -- God knows whether it is 
|> still there -- actually, I hope not). 

"Domino's is better than Nicky's" says very little.  Nicky's WAS a dive that
tried to offer its customers both Chinese food and pizza selections on their
menu, to my knowledge, a marketing scheme that has failed to succeed anywhere,
even Chicago.  Not surprisingly, the owners have since moved and dropped
out of the pizza biz.  In its place now stands the only Harold's Chicken Shack
in Chicago which, alongside its vats of super-heated lard, has pizza-ovens
(presumably the same ones used by Nicky) belching out subDomino quality pizzas.
Truly, in Chicago, the Pizza spectrum runs from the inedible to the sublime.

For those who care.  Chicago style pizza is characterized by a deep dish pastry
like crust layered with cheese, meats, vegetables, and tomato sauce in that order
from bottom to top.  The crust is not especially thick, but it is LOADED with
toppings.  It is cooked at a lower temperature than normal pizza but for about three times as long.  Generally, two pieces fills the average adult male. 
Personally, I like it, but not being a native Chicagoan, I prefer a good flat
pizza. Uno's (at least the one in Houston... I never went to the one in Chicago (too crowded)) is not representative of what is commonly regarded as Chicago Pizza.  Uno's looks more like California Gormet Pizza nowadays.  There, wasn't that interesting.

As for Houston, I must say Fuzzy's is pretty good, but they need to cook it longer.  I do like the fact that they will bake single custom slices to order in about 10 minutes.  It isn't that difficult a concept, but I haven't seen any other place that offers this.

Mia's (Westheimer/Wilcrest) pizza is also pretty good for a change of pace (they
call it St. Louis style--basically super thin crust).

In article <1992Aug12.211617.15300@tamsun.tamu.edu>, di@stat.tamu.edu (Di Davies) writes:
|> In article <BAB.92Aug11145030@se39.wg2.waii.com> bab@se39.wg2.waii.com (Brian Button) writes:
|> >
|> >Now for a real debate, who has the best french fries in town????? My
|> >vote goes to any McDonalds.
|> 
|> The best fries in town are hot McDonald's fries; the worst are cold
|> McDonald's fries.  And you never know which you'll buy.

I disagree with you both and will vote against any huge chain's fries.  The best
fries are homemade (as with pizza and probably anything else, if made right).
If you go out, fries that are of large cut and not imitating grease sponges are
my favorite.  I also like battered fries.  Probably my favorite, most commonly
available fry is from Charlies.

-jps

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In article <BAB.92Aug11145030@se39.wg2.waii.com>, bab@se39.wg2.waii.com (Brian Button) writes:
> Now for a real debate, who has the best french fries in town????? My
> vote goes to any McDonalds.
> 
> bab
 
My vote on french fries is either Fuddruckers or Jack In The Box Curly
fries!
 
The Fuddruckers ones are great when you put that melted cheese
that they have beside the lettuce bar all over them!
 
> --
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Well, 
	after reading everyones opinion of their favorite pizza place, 
	I'll have to throw in my vote for the Pot Pie Pizzeria (on Westheimer).  
	It's a privately owned restaurant (i.e. not a chain) & IMHO a great place 
	to go, sit down & enjoy a pizza.  I think they offer a good variety of 
	toppings and it's not too greasy (although I admit I DO get cravings for 
	pizza hut thin crust every so often).  And being a poor student I think 
	that the prices are very reasonable.   

	anyway, that's my two cents worth,
	rudy
	

In article <mumble> frank@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank T. Kang) writes:
|Ok, though I admit to liking snooty pizza, it's not practical for
|me to have it all the time.  My favorite quick+low cost alternative
|is Gattis.  I like the flavor of their crust and the Provolone cheese
|they use (though no else I know seems to).  Their delivery is
|not as good as Dominoes though - sometimes less than 1/2 hour, but
|often more like 45 min.

Well, now you know of someone else who likes Gatti's pizza (and
prices).  And they always get to my house pretty quickly, but hey, I'm
less than a mile down Greenbriar from them.

|Don't know about freezing them though :-).  Don't like 'em nuked
|either, they get all soggy.  As much as it digusts my roomate, I
|often eat leftover pizza cold.

I can smugly say at this point that my sweetie doesn't eat leftover
pizza, period, so it's all mine, wheee!  And I've generally found that
cold pizza nuked for 30-45 sec only gets tough, not soggy.

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In article <mumble> bab@se39.wg2.waii.com (Brian Button) writes:
|Maybe I'm missing something here among the Great Pizza Debate, but I
|don't think I've ever had a bad pizza. It might just be me, but it
|seems that pizza comes in varied shades of good, never bad.

"Sex is like pizza -- when it's good, it's great.  And when it's bad,
it's still pretty good."

Don't agree, really, but it begged to be said.

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In article <Bt2GDC.Mr6@rice.edu> gamble@owlnet.rice.edu (Ben Gamble) writes:
>I can smugly say at this point that my sweetie doesn't eat leftover
>pizza, period, so it's all mine, wheee!  And I've generally found that
>cold pizza nuked for 30-45 sec only gets tough, not soggy.

Cold pizza is best served cold.  For breakfast.  Or something like that.

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In article <Bt2GDC.Mr6@rice.edu> gamble@owlnet.rice.edu (Ben Gamble) writes:
>Well, now you know of someone else who likes Gatti's pizza (and
>prices).  And they always get to my house pretty quickly, but hey, I'm
>less than a mile down Greenbriar from them.

Hey, I live almost that close to them too!  What gives?

>And I've generally found that
>cold pizza nuked for 30-45 sec only gets tough, not soggy.

Well, let me amend that to tough and soggy.  I find the part that came
from the middle gets soggy while the rim of the pizza gets tough.
Now why would you want to ruin perfectly good cold pizza by doing that
to it? :-)

Frank

In article <Bt4yqt.BB5@rice.edu>, frank@owlnet.rice.edu (Frank T. Kang) writes:
|> In article <Bt2GDC.Mr6@rice.edu> gamble@owlnet.rice.edu (Ben Gamble) writes:
|> >Well, now you know of someone else who likes Gatti's pizza (and
|> >prices).  And they always get to my house pretty quickly, but hey, I'm
|> >less than a mile down Greenbriar from them.
|> 
|> Hey, I live almost that close to them too!  What gives?
|> 

I used to live on Chaucer when I was at Rice and it still took them 45+
minutes. Our house was all of 50 yards away from Gatti's. In fact, one of
their drivers got lost one time. My roommates and I told them they should
have sent a walker instead :-). Anyway after two or three bad experiences, we started to pick it up ourselves. Then it was 20 minutes no problem. For some reason they don't like pissed-off disgruntled customers hanging around the counter I guess :-).


|> Frank
|> 

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