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John Cooley <jcooley@world.std.com> wrote:
>I think that *some* women genuinely have these urges while
>*some* other women genuiely don't (or they lose them over time.)  I can't
>tell you the number of women I've seen in their 40's who publically espoused
>how happy they are to be celebate.  (These were/are friends; not women I was
>making a pass at.)  In the "Dear Ann Landers" column I've read
>multiple times about older women not wanting to have sex but just wanting
>to cuddle with their mates.  (Many espoused giving up sex altogether.)

Before I get flames galore for saying what I said, let me refer you to today's
Ann Lander's column where some poor guy has been married to a woman who
told him to go elsewhere for sex and hasn't gone to bed with him for 9 years.
The guy was bummed because he's the monogamous type and felt he wasn't good
enough looking to have a wife approved affair.

Two weeks ago on Saturday there was an Ann Landers column where a wife wrote
that hubby was caring, supportive, great in every way *except* he got grumpy
if they didn't have sex at least 3 times a week (which wifey thought was a
chore.)

In both situations, from the male perspective, this was/is a nightmare!  I
mean with all the media's hustling of wife/child abuse, horrible divorces
and such; even when the guy's good there's still a good chance he can
still lose.  I find the prospect of many people's elusive search for 
personal happiness very depressing.  There's just too much working against
anyone achieving or keeping it.

  - John

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In article <Dq49Ap.JH5@world.std.com.
jcooley@world.std.com (John Cooley) writes:
 
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.John Cooley <jcooley@world.std.com. wrote:
..I think that *some* women genuinely have these urges while
..*some* other women genuiely don't (or they lose them over time.)  I can't
..tell you the number of women I've seen in their 40's who publically espoused
..how happy they are to be celebate.  (These were/are friends; not women I was
..making a pass at.)  In the "Dear Ann Landers" column I've read
..multiple times about older women not wanting to have sex but just wanting
..to cuddle with their mates.  (Many espoused giving up sex altogether.)
.
.Before I get flames galore for saying what I said, let me refer you to today's
.Ann Lander's column where some poor guy has been married to a woman who
.told him to go elsewhere for sex and hasn't gone to bed with him for 9 years.
.The guy was bummed because he's the monogamous type and felt he wasn't good
.enough looking to have a wife approved affair.
.
.Two weeks ago on Saturday there was an Ann Landers column where a wife wrote
.that hubby was caring, supportive, great in every way *except* he got grumpy
.if they didn't have sex at least 3 times a week (which wifey thought was a
.chore.)
.
.In both situations, from the male perspective, this was/is a nightmare!  I
.mean with all the media's hustling of wife/child abuse, horrible divorces
.and such; even when the guy's good there's still a good chance he can
.still lose.  I find the prospect of many people's elusive search for
.personal happiness very depressing.  There's just too much working against
.anyone achieving or keeping it.
.
 
  How sad. But not surprising when you consider that your positions are
  supported by Ann Landers' newspaper column.
 
Bill Edison
 
 
.  - John
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Third date ? Not here.

One of the foremost things I expect in a girlfriend / life companion is the ability to enjoy sex without 
any second thought, especially guilt. 

Needless to mention, a such person isn't likely to wait 3 dates.... :-) 

George

John Cooley (jcooley@world.std.com) wrote:

: Katy <bogbody@aol.com> wrote:
: >John, I know you said "many" women, not "all" or even "most," but I'm
: >going to disagree with you anyway. Women have sex urges. We really do. We
: >want to get laid. We want to have hot, nasty sex. We just want to like the
: >guy we're doing it with (usually!;-) ) I certainly wouldn't wait months!
: >In fact, if a guy didn't try at a fairly early date, the woman would
: >probably get a little concerned! Hell, she probably wouldn't notice
: >because she would have jumped *his* bones on the third or fourth date!
: >I've heard of this "third date rule" myself. I've never been burnt on it,
: >myself, because I usually know by the second or third date if I want to
: >try sex. Hell, maybe *I* want to know if he's "worth it!" (Sponge-worthy?
: >;-) )
: >-katy


: Katy, I always would only say "some" and not "all" because the nitpickers on
: the Internet usually find some technical gotcha otherwise.  That is, these
: people get caught up on the details instead of the general message being
: conveyed.  After a few hundred "gotcha on a detail" aurguments, I've learned
: to automatically insert "some" in *every* Internet statement I make just to
: keep the discussion going on more interesting tacts.
    
You've got that right.  There's another problem with the internet which 
makes argument even more difficult.  There's nothing at all which stops
a person from saying what he or she WANTS his or her behavior to be 
rather than what it really is.  That runs across the board.   There's simply
no reality check, so the biggest asshole in the world can go on about how
women don't like "sensitive men", or the biggest harpie can write pages on 
how man are intimidated by "strong women".  
In addition, with this newsgroup everyone knows what the "correct" answers 
are.  I'm waiting for the woman who will admit that she does like being
submissive, or that she has problems approaching men in real life (like 
we don't know any women who've said that).  Or a man who writes that he
enjoys paying for dates since it lessens his obigations later, since
basically he's only after one thing.       
I'm also waiting for the tooth theory to slip a few twenties under my 
pillow for all the baby teeth he missed when I was little.  It's never
going to happen.

In article <4lioqo$pla@news.kincyb.com> Tin_User@news.kincyb.com writes:
[...]
<You've got that right.  There's another problem with the internet which 
<makes argument even more difficult.  There's nothing at all which stops
<a person from saying what he or she WANTS his or her behavior to be 
<rather than what it really is.  That runs across the board.   There's simply
<no reality check, so the biggest asshole in the world can go on about how
<women don't like "sensitive men", or the biggest harpie can write pages on 
<how man are intimidated by "strong women".  

That was true long before anyone, any -where-, even dreamed of a concept
called 'internet', and will likely survive long after the network, and
everyone on it, has vanished.  Where do you suppose the phrase "Caveat
Emptor" originated? 

[...]
<are.  I'm waiting for the woman who will admit that she does like being
<submissive, or that she has problems approaching men in real life (like 
<we don't know any women who've said that).  

You obviously havn't tried the right '*.personals' group.
--
jmw

Tin_User@news.kincyb.com writes:
>I'm waiting for the woman who will admit that she does like being submissive,

I like both submitting and dominating, but I'm not a woman
so I guess that doesn't help you.  But try alt.sex.bondage  ;-)

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