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Gallant wrote:
> 
> I believe this subject was touched on a year or so ago- but here it goes
> again. Which transit systems out there maintain a historical fleet of buses
> (or even ONE old bus!).  Here in Knoxville, TN- KAT rehabbed a 1957 GMC Old
> Look which sits pretty in the garage most of the time.  KAT is trying to
> recover some of the old equipment, but it's a very costly venture.

<snip>

> How about the San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose area?  MUNI (San Francisco)
> used to have a load of GMC New Looks in the late eighties (perhaps even
> later?)- and I think Golden Gate Transit had some as well but not sure about
> AC Transit, SCCTA or SamTrans.

SF Muni does have some historic vehicles.  Foremost are the historic
trolleys, most of them ex-SEPTA PCCs that run on the F-Market line,
but there are some earlier vintage cars as well.  In addition, while in SF
this past April, I saw a New Look GM and Flxible, painted in their original
late-60s maroon and gold, parked at Woods Division.  Also, at Potrero
trolley bus division, there are a couple of Marmion-Herrington? trolley
buses, one in Muni's old green/cream paint and another dressed up as
a Christmas bus.  Of course the cable cars are all "historic"  :)

LACMTA has a 1958 GM "Old Look" that they trot out for special occasions,
else it usually just sits parked at the main repair facility.  The Pacific
Bus Museum in the L. A. area has several ex LAMTA (old agency)/ SCRTD
buses of varying vintages, which also visit MTA special occasions.

> 
> Any help whatsoever will be greatly appreciated!
> 
> MIKE GALLANT
> gallant@utkux.utcc.utk.edu

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Someone claiming to be Gallant (gallant@utk.edu) typed:
: How about the San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose area?  MUNI (San Francisco)
: used to have a load of GMC New Looks in the late eighties (perhaps even
: later?)- and I think Golden Gate Transit had some as well but not sure about
: AC Transit, SCCTA or SamTrans.
              ^^^^^
FYI:  It is now SCVTA, name was changed.

VTA has one old bus, an old GMC TDH 4512 (fleet number 6512).  It is 
painted in the old San Jose City Lines colors.  This bus was the last TDH 
4512 manufactured.



: Any help whatsoever will be greatly appreciated!

: MIKE GALLANT
: gallant@utkux.utcc.utk.edu


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In <gallant.1216624484C@news.utk.edu> gallant@utk.edu (Gallant) says

> Where is New York City's historical bus fleet?  NYC has a rich history of
> bus transportation (especially the wonderful New Look years of the 1960s-
> both GMC and Flxible).   Any suggestions (other than the Transit Museum in
> Brooklyn which deals mostly with rail transportation)?  How about the NYCDOT
> contractors like Queens Transit or Triboro Coach?  I know that Green Bus
> Lines and Jamaica Bus Lines have gotten rid of their GMC's and Flxibles many
> years ago.

According to the people at the Transit Museum, they have a total of 19
historic old buses in running shape.  They are distributed throughout the
system at various depots with no depot holding more than 2.  I think that
they are going to be displayed either this month or next at an event in
New York City along with restored buses from some other systems in the
surrounding states.

Check with the Museum for more details; this was just from a word dropped
in passing by the Curator of the Museum at an event the other night.  I
did not pay much attention as my jaundiced view of buses is that they are
smelly beasts.  Others' view may very well be different.

Harvey

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In article <gallant.1216624484C@news.utk.edu>, gallant@utk.edu (Gallant) wrote:

> I believe this subject was touched on a year or so ago- but here it goes
> again. Which transit systems out there maintain a historical fleet of buses
> (or even ONE old bus!).  Here in Knoxville, TN- KAT rehabbed a 1957 GMC Old
> Look which sits pretty in the garage most of the time.  KAT is trying to
> recover some of the old equipment, but it's a very costly venture.  
> 
> Where is New York City's historical bus fleet?  NYC has a rich history of
> bus transportation (especially the wonderful New Look years of the 1960s-
> both GMC and Flxible).   Any suggestions (other than the Transit Museum in
> Brooklyn which deals mostly with rail transportation)?  How about the NYCDOT
> contractors like Queens Transit or Triboro Coach?  I know that Green Bus
> Lines and Jamaica Bus Lines have gotten rid of their GMC's and Flxibles many
> years ago.
> 
> How about the San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose area?  MUNI (San Francisco)
> used to have a load of GMC New Looks in the late eighties (perhaps even
> later?)- and I think Golden Gate Transit had some as well but not sure about
> AC Transit, SCCTA or SamTrans.
PAT Transit in Pittsburgh, uses 6 refurbished PCC streetcars, on the
Allentown line. These cars have always been in Pittsburgh though. They
were not "imported" from outside. They are part of the 666 PCC cars that
were in Pittsburgh in the past. (That is 666, meaning the number of PCC
cars that were ordered for Pittsburgh over the years. No other meaning to
the number)

Gallant (gallant@utk.edu) wrote:

: How about the San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose area?  MUNI (San Francisco)
: used to have a load of GMC New Looks in the late eighties (perhaps even
: later?)- and I think Golden Gate Transit had some as well but not sure about
: AC Transit, SCCTA or SamTrans.

AC Transit and Golden Gate Transit both have GMC's from the mid-1950's (sorry,
no model numbers..).  Golden Gate's is an old Greyhound, painted in Greyhound
colors from when Greyhound ran the transit service in Marin and Sonoma
Counties.

A few years ago I remember seeing a bus painted in the old Key System colors
at AC's yard near Coliseum BART.

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Gallant wrote:

> How about the San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose area?  MUNI (San Francisco)
> used to have a load of GMC New Looks in the late eighties (perhaps even
> later?)- and I think Golden Gate Transit had some as well but not sure about
> AC Transit, SCCTA or SamTrans.
> 
> Any help whatsoever will be greatly appreciated!
> 
> MIKE GALLANT
> gallant@utkux.utcc.utk.edu

As Eric said, VTA has an old look painted in NCL (fruit salad) colors,
and it IS the last 4512 built.
Golden Gate Transit literally just auctioned off the very last of their
fishbowls/new looks.  However, they have kept 816 (T8H5305A) and will
restore it, although it is runnable now.  Their last new look run was
made in early February, this year.  They have already restored
an ex-Greyhound "queen", stick shift style old look that used to run
between SF and Marin County, San Anselmo, San Rafael, Manor. That is
in beautiful, runnable condition.  AC Transit has a couple of ex
Key System buses -- 4509 and one of the 40 replacements to the Key
System Bridge Units, both in fuit salad colors.  San Mateo Transit does
not have anything to my knowledge.  Sacramento has one old look.  

There is also the PACIFIC BUS MUSEUM which has a fairly good collection
of buses from No. and So. California, including restored ex Peerless
Stages #246.  You can see pictures of this, and others on my web site:
http://www.sanfrantours.com.

hope that helps.

Adios, Norm

Check the Seashore Trolley Museum roster at <http://www.gwi.net/trolley/>
to see what they have squirreled away in the darkest corners of their
carbarns. You must remember that many members of the museum actively
discriminate against the diesel and gasoline fueled beasts, and just barely
tolerate the 600v DC operated variety. Last but not least, the museum is
clearly NOT a transit system.  
 Gallant wrote in article ...
>I believe this subject was touched on a year or so ago- but here it goes
>again. Which transit systems out there maintain a historical fleet of
buses
>(or even ONE old bus!).  Here in Knoxville, TN- KAT rehabbed a 1957 GMC
Old
>Look which sits pretty in the garage most of the time.  KAT is trying to
>recover some of the old equipment, but it's a very costly venture. 
>

In article <gallant.1216624484C@news.utk.edu> gallant@utk.edu (Gallant) writes:
 > I believe this subject was touched on a year or so ago- but here it goes
 > again. Which transit systems out there maintain a historical fleet of buses
 > (or even ONE old bus!).  Here in Knoxville, TN- KAT rehabbed a 1957 GMC Old
 > Look which sits pretty in the garage most of the time.  KAT is trying to
 > recover some of the old equipment, but it's a very costly venture.  

Amsterdam municipal transport maintains a historical fleet of buses and
trams.  The first in cooperation with MUSA and SVA (both foundations to
maintain historical bus fleets, they also maintain their own fleets from
Amsterdam transport and other operators), the latter under its own subsidiary
AOM (the old name until 1900).  The main attraction of the bus fleet is
a bus from 1939 that has been restored completely (although it normally
does not run, only on very special occasions).  Others include buses
from 1955/1956, including one of the two artics from that time.  The
buses run on occasion and are accesible.  The tram fleet covers almost
any type of tram used from about 1930.  Here the main attraction is a
tram from 1913.  The trams all run pretty regularly and are accessible.
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>> Where is New York City's historical bus fleet?  

Never knew where they keep it, but it's beautiful - Everything from old
Yellow/GMCs to a like-new 1979 Flxible 870 (yes, they kept one!).

NJ Transit has some nice stuff - a 1951 GMC Old Look, and a really nice
4104 with all three of its corporate logos on it:  The original Public
Service "wings" up front, the Transport of New Jersey "invisible N"
logos on the luggage doors, and the current NJ Transit logos under the
first window.  It's used as an executive office coach.

On Fri, 13 Jun 97 21:20:44 GMT, gallant@utk.edu (Gallant) wrote:

>I believe this subject was touched on a year or so ago- but here it goes
>again. Which transit systems out there maintain a historical fleet of buses
>(or even ONE old bus!).  Here in Knoxville, TN- KAT rehabbed a 1957 GMC Old
>Look which sits pretty in the garage most of the time.  KAT is trying to
>recover some of the old equipment, but it's a very costly venture.  
>
>Where is New York City's historical bus fleet?  NYC has a rich history of
>bus transportation (especially the wonderful New Look years of the 1960s-
>both GMC and Flxible).   Any suggestions (other than the Transit Museum in
>Brooklyn which deals mostly with rail transportation)?  How about the NYCDOT
>contractors like Queens Transit or Triboro Coach?  I know that Green Bus
>Lines and Jamaica Bus Lines have gotten rid of their GMC's and Flxibles many
>years ago.
>
>How about the San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose area?  MUNI (San Francisco)
>used to have a load of GMC New Looks in the late eighties (perhaps even
>later?)- and I think Golden Gate Transit had some as well but not sure about
>AC Transit, SCCTA or SamTrans.
>
San Francisco, MUNI, in the city well-known for public transit as
tourist trap, is running PCC streetcars down Market St. (The "F" line)
from the Transbay Bus Station to Castro Street. Each car has been
painted the colors of a different company or agency that ran such
cars.

In the past, they ran one day streetcar festivals which included cars
from different times and places around the world. 

AC Transit has been cut way back, so I'm not sure what's going on with
them. Their basic problem is that they used to make money on the buses
into San Francisco and that has been taken by BART, and BART is eating
a lot of the subsidy funds which would go to them if they were
distributed on the basis of daily passengers or maybe even passenger
miles. They barely have enough money to put up their officials at
fancy hotels in San Francisco during national conferences. (<g>)

I've noticed that they are now using minivans for some of their
lesser-used routes.

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In Article <5nub66$97i@panix3.panix.com>, fishman@panix.com (Harvey Fishman)
wrote:
>In <gallant.1216624484C@news.utk.edu> gallant@utk.edu (Gallant) says
>
>> Where is New York City's historical bus fleet?  NYC has a rich history of
>> bus transportation (especially the wonderful New Look years of the 1960s-
>> both GMC and Flxible).   Any suggestions (other than the Transit Museum in
>> Brooklyn which deals mostly with rail transportation)?  How about the NYCDOT
>> contractors like Queens Transit or Triboro Coach?  I know that Green Bus
>> Lines and Jamaica Bus Lines have gotten rid of their GMC's and Flxibles many
>> years ago.
>
>According to the people at the Transit Museum, they have a total of 19
>historic old buses in running shape.  They are distributed throughout the
>system at various depots with no depot holding more than 2.  I think that
>they are going to be displayed either this month or next at an event in
>New York City along with restored buses from some other systems in the
>surrounding states.

Whoa!  This is wonderful news.  Though, I must inquire- why in the world
does the MTA feel it's necessary to distribute these 19 vehicles at
different depots?
Do you know the fleet numbers of these buses? 

>
>Check with the Museum for more details; this was just from a word dropped
>in passing by the Curator of the Museum at an event the other night.  I
>did not pay much attention as my jaundiced view of buses is that they are
>smelly beasts.  Others' view may very well be different.

Yes, some of us do have a very different view  :-)


MIKE GALLANT
gallant@utkux.utcc.utk.edu

.....
>late-60s maroon and gold, parked at Woods Division.  Also, at Potrero
>trolley bus division, there are a couple of Marmion-Herrington? trolley
>buses, one in Muni's old green/cream paint and another dressed up as
>a Christmas bus.  ...

The green and cream one is originally from Muni.

The Christmas Trolley is Dayton City Transit 559.  In a fit of
passion, the Miami Valley RTA got rid of most of the historic fleet in
the mid-80s, which is when 559 went to Muni.  City Transit 515 went to
god-knows-where.  

Since then, the MVRTA has "acquired" 4 (?) historic trolley buses:  

Pullman 426 (1940's product) fished out of someone's backyard on the
west side of Dayton during construction of US-35 west (I am not making
this up).

A TMERL (Milwaukee) Pullman -- maybe #350.  Was in a museum, but has
now ended up here in Dayton.

A Marmon-Herrington which has been stripped of the interior and of
much of the exterior paint

City Transit 900 -- A New Look-type Flyer (has the slanted window like
a GM Fishbowl), which has the motors from a 1930s Brill.  Also, a
double wide rear door.  

Of the four, only 900 may possibly be roadable, as I think I've seen
it lurking in the garage.  I've never seen the other 3 on the street,
as they lack poles or other necessary running gear.

rtm
Dayton OH