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In article <nemecj-3101962240020001@bluebox-37.mit.edu>
           nemecj@mit.edu "Joseph Edward Nemec" writes:

> This is absolute nonsense. I have lived in Europe, traveled through Europe
> and worked in Europe. I have never - not once - ever seen, met or heard of
> an American who pretended t be a Canadian while abroad.

I've met an American pretending to be sober though.....

And where's my MIT tie & pocket protecter you bastard?

> Really, it's time for you idiot canucks to come up with better lies.

Listen to him idiot canucks. He is your spirtual leader, learn by
example.

Andrew/

                 'You're a Jerk, Dent'
                         Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged

Andrew/ <andrew@altairiv.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <nemecj-3101962240020001@bluebox-37.mit.edu>
>           nemecj@mit.edu "Joseph Edward Nemec" writes:
>
>> This is absolute nonsense. I have lived in Europe, traveled through Europe
>> and worked in Europe. I have never - not once - ever seen, met or heard of
>> an American who pretended t be a Canadian while abroad.
>
>I've met an American pretending to be sober though.....

Really? What was his name. I'd like to meet him. Unless we are in England, we
don't usually have to pretend...

>And where's my MIT tie & pocket protecter you bastard?

Oh, it'll be along presently. I just have to finish some wiring^H^H^H^H err,
sewing, on the tie, and you can rest assured that you'll get it.

By the way, what color do you prefer: blood red or Semtex yellow?

-- 
sig under destruction...

>>Subject: Re: Why Canadians Are Sup
>>Newsgroups: t
>> 
>>: >I'm sorry you have been consigned by birth to a country which exists almost
>>: >entirely NORTH of everything in the US; North of North Dakota must be damn
>>: >cold!  I'm sorry nearly your entire population lives within 100 miles of
>>X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
>
>>	Actually, in Vancouver (that's on the West coast, as I'm sure 
>>your U.S. "education" wouldn't have taught you), the climate is 
>>much more pleasant than that oppressive, humid sauna that you call 
>>Texas.  Hey, you probably live in a mobile home park down there, don't 
>>you?  Those tornadoes must be just loads of fun when they pick up your 
>>home and relocate it several kilometers away.  
>
>>: >that border, and any residual bits of "Canadian" culture long ago
>>: >disappeared, (except for an obnoxious tendency to winge) so mujch so that
>
snip
>
>>: >Canadians travelling anywhere in the world are forced to plaster themselves
>>: >with maple leaves to show they are different.
>>: >George Purcell
>
>>	Not exactly.  Canadians carry maple leaves when travelling 
>>because they don't want to be mistaken for Americans.  U.S. foreign 
>>policy doesn't exactly endear people in, say, Central or South America to 
>>Americans. 
>
>And the reason they are always mistaken for Americans is because they
>unknowingly adopted all of our culture and ideas but just won't admit
>it to themselves.   Thus the silly display of Maple leaves.
>
>
>
>

Ho Ho!  Much like the Turkey first suggested by that good Englishman B.
Franklin to be the symbol of the U.S.  You see you are all just traitors - who
have glorified the fact that you managed to break free of civilized society.
Free to roam off west and kill indians, murder and slaughter, and then keep it
going right up till today all in the name of 'revolution'  - yet the only
democratic revolution the U.S. has ever supported was the seperation of the
English from the English - and most of you not being Anglo-Saxons still glorify
this little episode in the Third British Empire as though it was somehow
related to your current experience.  Most every other part of the British
Empire has gone on to have far more civilized society.  Yet, the barbarism
which you cultivate only makes it easier for you 'lot' to be controlled.  So be
it!   -You see the United States has cut itself off from its past and thus has
become like a ship without a rudder.  Veering endlessly towards a vacant,
vapid, 
distopian nightmare.  Cultureless, unless you call culture violence - appealing
to the most base in humans is not enlightened.  It cannot be
said that 'all' people who live in the United States are that way - 
people do move there!!


Oh!  Like when I was in Paris at a gallery and some americans came by and said
 "Ya seen one paintin' ya seen em all!!"  and "Ya I got one of those at home"..
please !  

The richest country on earth has the worst health-care system, the most
expensive system serving few!  And you fall for it!  Duh sounds like
commmmunism ta me!!  ya I gotta pay fer it ma self!!  ya  thats the manly thing
ta do!

do you want more info 
it is on the web
you can see how the US compares in culture and in civility


:-)

>>Subject: Re: Why Canadians Are Sup
>>Newsgroups: t
>> 
>>: >I'm sorry you have been consigned by birth to a country which exists almost
>>: >entirely NORTH of everything in the US; North of North Dakota must be damn
>>: >cold!  I'm sorry nearly your entire population lives within 100 miles of
>>X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
>
>>	Actually, in Vancouver (that's on the West coast, as I'm sure 
>>your U.S. "education" wouldn't have taught you), the climate is 
>>much more pleasant than that oppressive, humid sauna that you call 
>>Texas.  Hey, you probably live in a mobile home park down there, don't 
>>you?  Those tornadoes must be just loads of fun when they pick up your 
>>home and relocate it several kilometers away.  
>
>>: >that border, and any residual bits of "Canadian" culture long ago
>>: >disappeared, (except for an obnoxious tendency to winge) so mujch so that
>
snip
>
>>: >Canadians travelling anywhere in the world are forced to plaster themselves
>>: >with maple leaves to show they are different.
>>: >George Purcell
>
>>	Not exactly.  Canadians carry maple leaves when travelling 
>>because they don't want to be mistaken for Americans.  U.S. foreign 
>>policy doesn't exactly endear people in, say, Central or South America to 
>>Americans. 
>
>And the reason they are always mistaken for Americans is because they
>unknowingly adopted all of our culture and ideas but just won't admit
>it to themselves.   Thus the silly display of Maple leaves.
>
>
>
>

Ho Ho!  Much like the Turkey first suggested by that good Englishman B.
Franklin to be the symbol of the U.S.  You see you are all just traitors - who
have glorified the fact that you managed to break free of civilized society.
Free to roam off west and kill indians, murder and slaughter, and then keep it
going right up till today all in the name of 'revolution'  - yet the only
democratic revolution the U.S. has ever supported was the seperation of the
English from the English - and most of you not being Anglo-Saxons still glorify
this little episode in the Third British Empire as though it was somehow
related to your current experience.  Most every other part of the British
Empire has gone on to have far more civilized society.  Yet, the barbarism
which you cultivate only makes it easier for you 'lot' to be controlled.  So be
it!   -You see the United States has cut itself off from its past and thus has
become like a ship without a rudder.  Veering endlessly towards a vacant,
vapid, 
distopian nightmare.  Cultureless, unless you call culture violence - appealing
to the most base in humans is not enlightened.  It cannot be
said that 'all' people who live in the United States are that way - 
people do move there!!


Oh!  Like when I was in Paris at a gallery and some americans came by and said
 "Ya seen one paintin' ya seen em all!!"  and "Ya I got one of those at home"..
please !  

The richest country on earth has the worst health-care system, the most
expensive system serving few!  And you fall for it!  Duh sounds like
commmmunism ta me!!  ya I gotta pay fer it ma self!!  ya  thats the manly thing
ta do!

do you want more info 
it is on the web
you can see how the US compares in culture and in civility


:-)

>>Subject: Re: Why Canadians Are Sup
>>Newsgroups: t
>> 
>>: >I'm sorry you have been consigned by birth to a country which exists almost
>>: >entirely NORTH of everything in the US; North of North Dakota must be damn
>>: >cold!  I'm sorry nearly your entire population lives within 100 miles of
>>X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
>
>>	Actually, in Vancouver (that's on the West coast, as I'm sure 
>>your U.S. "education" wouldn't have taught you), the climate is 
>>much more pleasant than that oppressive, humid sauna that you call 
>>Texas.  Hey, you probably live in a mobile home park down there, don't 
>>you?  Those tornadoes must be just loads of fun when they pick up your 
>>home and relocate it several kilometers away.  
>
>>: >that border, and any residual bits of "Canadian" culture long ago
>>: >disappeared, (except for an obnoxious tendency to winge) so mujch so that
>
snip
>
>>: >Canadians travelling anywhere in the world are forced to plaster themselves
>>: >with maple leaves to show they are different.
>>: >George Purcell
>
>>	Not exactly.  Canadians carry maple leaves when travelling 
>>because they don't want to be mistaken for Americans.  U.S. foreign 
>>policy doesn't exactly endear people in, say, Central or South America to 
>>Americans. 
>
>And the reason they are always mistaken for Americans is because they
>unknowingly adopted all of our culture and ideas but just won't admit
>it to themselves.   Thus the silly display of Maple leaves.
>
>
>
>

Ho Ho!  Much like the Turkey first suggested by that good Englishman B.
Franklin to be the symbol of the U.S.  You see you are all just traitors - who
have glorified the fact that you managed to break free of civilized society.
Free to roam off west and kill indians, murder and slaughter, and then keep it
going right up till today all in the name of 'revolution'  - yet the only
democratic revolution the U.S. has ever supported was the seperation of the
English from the English - and most of you not being Anglo-Saxons still glorify
this little episode in the Third British Empire as though it was somehow
related to your current experience.  Most every other part of the British
Empire has gone on to have far more civilized society.  Yet, the barbarism
which you cultivate only makes it easier for you 'lot' to be controlled.  So be
it!   -You see the United States has cut itself off from its past and thus has
become like a ship without a rudder.  Veering endlessly towards a vacant,
vapid, 
distopian nightmare.  Cultureless, unless you call culture violence - appealing
to the most base in humans is not enlightened.  It cannot be
said that 'all' people who live in the United States are that way - 
people do move there!!


Oh!  Like when I was in Paris at a gallery and some americans came by and said
 "Ya seen one paintin' ya seen em all!!"  and "Ya I got one of those at home"..
please !  

The richest country on earth has the worst health-care system, the most
expensive system serving few!  And you fall for it!  Duh sounds like
commmmunism ta me!!  ya I gotta pay fer it ma self!!  ya  thats the manly thing
ta do!

do you want more info 
it is on the web
you can see how the US compares in culture and in civility


:-)

>>Subject: Re: Why Canadians Are Sup
>>Newsgroups: t
>> 
>>: >I'm sorry you have been consigned by birth to a country which exists almost
>>: >entirely NORTH of everything in the US; North of North Dakota must be damn
>>: >cold!  I'm sorry nearly your entire population lives within 100 miles of
>>X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
>
>>	Actually, in Vancouver (that's on the West coast, as I'm sure 
>>your U.S. "education" wouldn't have taught you), the climate is 
>>much more pleasant than that oppressive, humid sauna that you call 
>>Texas.  Hey, you probably live in a mobile home park down there, don't 
>>you?  Those tornadoes must be just loads of fun when they pick up your 
>>home and relocate it several kilometers away.  
>
>>: >that border, and any residual bits of "Canadian" culture long ago
>>: >disappeared, (except for an obnoxious tendency to winge) so mujch so that
>
snip
>
>>: >Canadians travelling anywhere in the world are forced to plaster themselves
>>: >with maple leaves to show they are different.
>>: >George Purcell
>
>>	Not exactly.  Canadians carry maple leaves when travelling 
>>because they don't want to be mistaken for Americans.  U.S. foreign 
>>policy doesn't exactly endear people in, say, Central or South America to 
>>Americans. 
>
>And the reason they are always mistaken for Americans is because they
>unknowingly adopted all of our culture and ideas but just won't admit
>it to themselves.   Thus the silly display of Maple leaves.
>
>
>
>

Ho Ho!  Much like the Turkey first suggested by that good Englishman B.
Franklin to be the symbol of the U.S.  You see you are all just traitors - who
have glorified the fact that you managed to break free of civilized society.
Free to roam off west and kill indians, murder and slaughter, and then keep it
going right up till today all in the name of 'revolution'  - yet the only
democratic revolution the U.S. has ever supported was the seperation of the
English from the English - and most of you not being Anglo-Saxons still glorify
this little episode in the Third British Empire as though it was somehow
related to your current experience.  Most every other part of the British
Empire has gone on to have far more civilized society.  Yet, the barbarism
which you cultivate only makes it easier for you 'lot' to be controlled.  So be
it!   -You see the United States has cut itself off from its past and thus has
become like a ship without a rudder.  Veering endlessly towards a vacant,
vapid, 
distopian nightmare.  Cultureless, unless you call culture violence - appealing
to the most base in humans is not enlightened.  It cannot be
said that 'all' people who live in the United States are that way - 
people do move there!!


Oh!  Like when I was in Paris at a gallery and some americans came by and said
 "Ya seen one paintin' ya seen em all!!"  and "Ya I got one of those at home"..
please !  

The richest country on earth has the worst health-care system, the most
expensive system serving few!  And you fall for it!  Duh sounds like
commmmunism ta me!!  ya I gotta pay fer it ma self!!  ya  thats the manly thing
ta do!

do you want more info 
it is on the web
you can see how the US compares in culture and in civility


:-)

>>Subject: Re: Why Canadians Are Sup
>>Newsgroups: t
>> 
>>: >I'm sorry you have been consigned by birth to a country which exists almost
>>: >entirely NORTH of everything in the US; North of North Dakota must be damn
>>: >cold!  I'm sorry nearly your entire population lives within 100 miles of
>>X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
>
>>	Actually, in Vancouver (that's on the West coast, as I'm sure 
>>your U.S. "education" wouldn't have taught you), the climate is 
>>much more pleasant than that oppressive, humid sauna that you call 
>>Texas.  Hey, you probably live in a mobile home park down there, don't 
>>you?  Those tornadoes must be just loads of fun when they pick up your 
>>home and relocate it several kilometers away.  
>
>>: >that border, and any residual bits of "Canadian" culture long ago
>>: >disappeared, (except for an obnoxious tendency to winge) so mujch so that
>
snip
>
>>: >Canadians travelling anywhere in the world are forced to plaster themselves
>>: >with maple leaves to show they are different.
>>: >George Purcell
>
>>	Not exactly.  Canadians carry maple leaves when travelling 
>>because they don't want to be mistaken for Americans.  U.S. foreign 
>>policy doesn't exactly endear people in, say, Central or South America to 
>>Americans. 
>
>And the reason they are always mistaken for Americans is because they
>unknowingly adopted all of our culture and ideas but just won't admit
>it to themselves.   Thus the silly display of Maple leaves.
>
>
>
>

Ho Ho!  Much like the Turkey first suggested by that good Englishman B.
Franklin to be the symbol of the U.S.  You see you are all just traitors - who
have glorified the fact that you managed to break free of civilized society.
Free to roam off west and kill indians, murder and slaughter, and then keep it
going right up till today all in the name of 'revolution'  - yet the only
democratic revolution the U.S. has ever supported was the seperation of the
English from the English - and most of you not being Anglo-Saxons still glorify
this little episode in the Third British Empire as though it was somehow
related to your current experience.  Most every other part of the British
Empire has gone on to have far more civilized society.  Yet, the barbarism
which you cultivate only makes it easier for you 'lot' to be controlled.  So be
it!   -You see the United States has cut itself off from its past and thus has
become like a ship without a rudder.  Veering endlessly towards a vacant,
vapid, 
distopian nightmare.  Cultureless, unless you call culture violence - appealing
to the most base in humans is not enlightened.  It cannot be
said that 'all' people who live in the United States are that way - 
people do move there!!


Oh!  Like when I was in Paris at a gallery and some americans came by and said
 "Ya seen one paintin' ya seen em all!!"  and "Ya I got one of those at home"..
please !  

The richest country on earth has the worst health-care system, the most
expensive system serving few!  And you fall for it!  Duh sounds like
commmmunism ta me!!  ya I gotta pay fer it ma self!!  ya  thats the manly thing
ta do!

do you want more info 
it is on the web
you can see how the US compares in culture and in civility


:-)

>>Subject: Re: Why Canadians Are Sup
>>Newsgroups: t
>> 
>>: >I'm sorry you have been consigned by birth to a country which exists almost
>>: >entirely NORTH of everything in the US; North of North Dakota must be damn
>>: >cold!  I'm sorry nearly your entire population lives within 100 miles of
>>X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
>
>>	Actually, in Vancouver (that's on the West coast, as I'm sure 
>>your U.S. "education" wouldn't have taught you), the climate is 
>>much more pleasant than that oppressive, humid sauna that you call 
>>Texas.  Hey, you probably live in a mobile home park down there, don't 
>>you?  Those tornadoes must be just loads of fun when they pick up your 
>>home and relocate it several kilometers away.  
>
>>: >that border, and any residual bits of "Canadian" culture long ago
>>: >disappeared, (except for an obnoxious tendency to winge) so mujch so that
>
snip
>
>>: >Canadians travelling anywhere in the world are forced to plaster themselves
>>: >with maple leaves to show they are different.
>>: >George Purcell
>
>>	Not exactly.  Canadians carry maple leaves when travelling 
>>because they don't want to be mistaken for Americans.  U.S. foreign 
>>policy doesn't exactly endear people in, say, Central or South America to 
>>Americans. 
>
>And the reason they are always mistaken for Americans is because they
>unknowingly adopted all of our culture and ideas but just won't admit
>it to themselves.   Thus the silly display of Maple leaves.
>
>
>
>

Ho Ho!  Much like the Turkey first suggested by that good Englishman B.
Franklin to be the symbol of the U.S.  You see you are all just traitors - who
have glorified the fact that you managed to break free of civilized society.
Free to roam off west and kill indians, murder and slaughter, and then keep it
going right up till today all in the name of 'revolution'  - yet the only
democratic revolution the U.S. has ever supported was the seperation of the
English from the English - and most of you not being Anglo-Saxons still glorify
this little episode in the Third British Empire as though it was somehow
related to your current experience.  Most every other part of the British
Empire has gone on to have far more civilized society.  Yet, the barbarism
which you cultivate only makes it easier for you 'lot' to be controlled.  So be
it!   -You see the United States has cut itself off from its past and thus has
become like a ship without a rudder.  Veering endlessly towards a vacant,
vapid, 
distopian nightmare.  Cultureless, unless you call culture violence - appealing
to the most base in humans is not enlightened.  It cannot be
said that 'all' people who live in the United States are that way - 
people do move there!!


Oh!  Like when I was in Paris at a gallery and some americans came by and said
 "Ya seen one paintin' ya seen em all!!"  and "Ya I got one of those at home"..
please !  

The richest country on earth has the worst health-care system, the most
expensive system serving few!  And you fall for it!  Duh sounds like
commmmunism ta me!!  ya I gotta pay fer it ma self!!  ya  thats the manly thing
ta do!

do you want more info 
it is on the web
you can see how the US compares in culture and in civility


:-)

nemecj@mit.edu (Joseph Edward Nemec) wrote:
>In article <4en4v3$cgo@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, dalel@unixg.ubc.ca (Dale Lum) wrote:
>
>
>"But that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! I mean, Americans have
>power. Canadians are just Americans with even less culture and nothing."
>
>
>>----
>>
Power?  well perhaps a good many of you do - and those who have managed
to convince you all as a nation not to have things which most other civilized 
nations have have done a good job of it.  Power - yes the power to be
in poverty and get kicked by Rush and the boys, power to lie in the gutter
shot to death by some anomic powerless peon....

But the real power is with the majority wouldn't you say?
However, the majority of mankind vote in the U.N.  yet the US ignores it
for the most part  - why?
_______________________________________________________________________________
                         John Edward Stannington Miller 
			  http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~jem
                            Data Warehouse Project
			    University of Manitoba
		              Winnipeg, MB, CND
                             jem@cc.umanitoba.ca
                               (204) 474-6235

>>Just out of curiosity, what makes canadiacs think they are so grand anyhow?  
>>What in your history supports such a contention?  At least europeons have had 
>>greatness somewhere off in the murky past.  What has cana-(snooze)-duh ever 
>>done / discovered / accomplished??
>


HO HA HE
:-)

FIRST - Most people in the US are of European descent.  America neatly cut
itself off from the flow of historical thought.  It is better to have them
think that the world started in 1776 and nothing happened before that, everyone
else had it all wrong.  Oh and by the way we have to speak English~

Well - Edison was from Canada for one!  da light bulb! - da record player

come on ... name one in the US who was born there!!!! come on come on  :-)




-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
                         John Edward Stannington Miller 
			  http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~jem
                            Data Warehouse Project
			    University of Manitoba
		              Winnipeg, MB, CND
                             jem@cc.umanitoba.ca
                               (204) 474-6235

cs95469@wolfcreek.cs.ualberta.ca (Jon Martin) wrote:

>>Yeah? How? Hockey riots when you losers lose? Bob and Doug MacKenzie?
>>Drinking alot of Molson and hitting each other?
>
>     You really believe this stereotyped image?  

Yes. I've lived in Canada. 

>The MacKenzie brothers were _satire_ you idiot.  

Really? Personally, I thought they were a bit more "Kingston, Ontario".

>Which illustrates an important point.  Canadians can
>laugh at themselves.  

I laugh at them, too.

>Not just what they do, but who they are and what this
>country really stands for.  

That is something else I laugh at.

>We can look at what we are honestly.  And 
>sometimes we have to laugh.  

Yes, I know the feeling. As I said, when I look at you honestly, I have to
laugh, too.

>In the states you cannot look at yourself honestly.  
>Those who do and find something they do not like are considered
>"un-American".

This is nonsense. Anyone who has seen such films as "Don't drink your juice in
the hood", etc. knows that we have a very good sense of humor about ourselves.
We also are able to laugh when other countries insult us, something Canadians
are incapable of. They have too big a chip on their shoulders.

Hey fuck-face, I am acutally from Canada. I got out because I didn't want to
have to fuck a moose, like the rest of you. Still, I go back once in awhile,
and I laugh at your pathetic lives. Not only is there no such thing as Canadian
culture, there is really no such thing as Canada. Face it, canuck, you are all
just Americans with no jobs and bad accents

>>Give me a break. Canada produces nothing. Not music, not film, not art,
>>not science. Zip.
>
>     That shows you have never even bothered to look.  There is more Canadian
>music, film, art and science around you than you know.

But I'll bet you can't name it.


>>It's also Jazz, Blues, great film, great theater, great writers....the
>>list is endless.
>
>     The list is endless.  Yeah right.  I can only think of two great
>yankee writers; Poe and Hemmingway.

James, Faulkner, Eliot, Pound, Buck, Steinbeck, Whitman...the list is endless.

But I am not surprised you can't name more than Hemingway and Poe. I know how
bad your education system is.

>>No, but the drool does run down the cheek of Jean Chretien. 
>
>     Going for the old Kim Cambell tactic, eh?

Me? No. I sort of figure that the best leader for Canada is Bill Clinton.


>>By the way, has he lost the country yet?
>
>     As popular as ever.  Whereas people continue to shoot at the White House
>to kill your leader.

*many laughs* When I was up in your shitty country in December, the people
seemed pretty bitter about Chretien's inability to quell the seperatism in
Quebec.

As for killing leaders, what about that little knife attack, hmm? Lucky
Chretien's wife is a light sleeper. Too bad the mounties meant to guard him
aren't. Sheesh, typical canadian competence....


>>Yes, and you know what? If you idiot canucks would actually learn french
>>(one of your official languages) or German, you would hear what they say
>>about you. They laugh at you. As one of my friends from Paris said "Joe,
>>why do these people wear that stupid leaf?"
>
>     A lot more Canadians know French and German than yanks.  Most Canadians
>speak at least two languages.  You yanks think you can get by with that 
>language you call "English".

This is absolute nonsense. Est-ce que tu parles francais? Je ne pensais pas...

Fact is, Canadians are even less bilingual than Americans. Me, I am not
bilingual. I am quadro-lingual. I find alot of Americans like me.

>     More compassion towards other nations, 

Except while torturing somali children to death...

>a more civil society, 

Except for members of the paratroopers, and the entier citizenry after loosing
yet another Stanley Cup to the US...

>a more
>consistent foreign policy, 

"Run away, run away"

>real commitment to world peace and the environment,

Yeah, that's why you have such strict environmental standards...much stricter
than California...

>and a much better attitude towards the countries we travel in.

Hey, eh, like, we're not Americans. That means, eh, we can drink Molson in
public and cause trouble, because no one hates us....


>     Oh sure, it is okay for all those inbred yanks to be pretend to be 
>patriotic (while in reality they are just brainwashed), but God forbid there
>should be a patriotic Canadian.  

Exactly. Because even if an American patriot is inbred and brainwashed (all
three of them) he still has something to be proud of. What does a Canadian have
to be proud of? "Hey, eh, we produced the great Wayne Gretzky...but he went to
the US...but we have 'Kids in the Hall'...but they've all moved to the
States..."

>Canadian patriotism is at least more sincere,
>we actually know what we are patriotic about, whereas you yanks are just
>patriotic to whatever the government tells you.

Yeah. I've seen Canadian patriotism. It usually begins with the sentence "We
aren't like those Americans because we are XYZ", where XYZ are lies and
half-truths. We, on the otherhand, are patriotic because we have a proud
history. We took control of our own country, and bent it into the greatest
nation the world has ever seen. You're just leating yours float down the
Saint-Laurence to oblivion and disillusion....

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sig under destruction...

>>>	Actually, in Vancouver (that's on the West coast, as I'm sure 
The only place I move to would be... WINNIPEG! Ha!

>>>your U.S. "education" wouldn't have taught you), the climate is 
>>>much more pleasant than that oppressive, humid sauna that you call 
>>>Texas.  Hey, you probably live in a mobile home park down there, don't 
>>>you?  Those tornadoes must be just loads of fun when they pick up your 
>>>home and relocate it several kilometers away.  
>>
>>>: >that border, and any residual bits of "Canadian" culture long ago
>>>: >disappeared, (except for an obnoxious tendency to winge) so mujch so that
>>
>snip
>>
>>>: >Canadians travelling anywhere in the world are forced to plaster themselves
>>>: >with maple leaves to show they are different.
>>>: >George Purcell
>>
>>>	Not exactly.  Canadians carry maple leaves when travelling 
>>>because they don't want to be mistaken for Americans.  U.S. foreign 
>>>policy doesn't exactly endear people in, say, Central or South America to 
>>>Americans. 
>>
>>And the reason they are always mistaken for Americans is because they
>>unknowingly adopted all of our culture and ideas but just won't admit
>>it to themselves.   Thus the silly display of Maple leaves.

Are you an idiot? You stupid americans ('stupid americans' referring
to all americans who think we live in igloos and agree with this
garbage) think you've pulled us stupid nearderthals out of our igloos
and corn farming to turn into cool people like yourselves. You don't
even know what's Canadian! I assume because the X-Files is based in
DC, you think it's american, right? WRONG! I've been to
many-a-filmings of it. Pamela Anderson (Star of ButtWatch) is
canadian, so we haven't exactly adopted her into our culture. It seems
to me that because we live near you, we're supposed to have modelled
ourselves after you. Ever heard of the word 'Acculturation'? Or
'Cultural Exchange'? No? Look it up.

In article <4erdo6$12q6@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>,
cs95469@wolfcreek.cs.ualberta.ca wrote:

> nemecj@mit.edu (Joseph Edward Nemec) writes:
> 
> >dalel@unixg.ubc.ca (Dale Lum) wrote:
> 
> >>        Canadian culture is alive and dynamic, and sophisticated far 
> >>beyond than what your pitiful American intellect is capable of 
> >>comprehending. 
> 
> >Yeah? How? Hockey riots when you losers lose? Bob and Doug MacKenzie?
> >Drinking alot of Molson and hitting each other?
> 
>      You really believe this stereotyped image?  The MacKenzie brothers were
> _satire_ you idiot.  Which illustrates an important point.  Canadians can
> laugh at themselves.  Not just what they do, but who they are and what this
> country really stands for.  We can look at what we are honestly.  And 
> sometimes we have to laugh.  In the states you cannot look at yourself
> honestly.  Those who do and find something they do not like are considered
> "un-American".

Well, there's really nothing to laugh at, because we're perfect.  If we
weren't perfect, someone would take our place.  Hasn't happened in 50
years, now.

> >Give me a break. Canada produces nothing. Not music, not film, not art,
> >not science. Zip.
> 
>      That shows you have never even bothered to look.  There is more Canadian
> music, film, art and science around you than you know.

This reminds me of a joke: "How can you say Canada sucks?  Haven't you
heard of the Tragically Hip?"

Get a life!  All Canadian music is is homogenized whining.  The Hip,
Spirit of the West, 54-40', Our Lady Peace.  Celine Dion?  Come on.  

Film:  What film?  Where?  The best Canadian films are produced in Quebec,
anyway.  Art?  Which artist is Canadian?  Science?  The Canada Arm on the
American space shuttle?  

> >>American culture is fast food, conservative politics, and t.v.
> >>shows like "A Current Affair" and "Oprah Winfrey". 
> 
> >It's also Jazz, Blues, great film, great theater, great writers....the
> >list is endless.
> 
>      The list is endless.  Yeah right.  I can only think of two great
> yankee writers; Poe and Hemmingway.

T.S. Eliot, Emily Dickinson, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Maya Angelou, Stephen
Crane, William Carlos Williams, etc.

That's funny.  I can't think of a single great Canadian writer.  Hmm. 

> >>Hey, when you 
> >>vacantly stare at Rush Limbaugh on tv in that characteristically 
> >>American way, does your jaw hang open, and drool run down your cheek?  
> >>Just wondering.
> 
> >No, but the drool does run down the cheek of Jean Chretien. 
> 
>      Going for the old Kim Cambell tactic, eh?
> 
> >By the way, has he lost the country yet?
> 
>      As popular as ever.  Whereas people continue to shoot at the White House
> to kill your leader.

And in Canada, you think SO highly of your leader that the only protection
you give him is his wife, Aline.  At least we make assassination
difficult.

> >>        Not exactly.  Canadians carry maple leaves when travelling 
> >>because they don't want to be mistaken for Americans.  U.S. foreign 
> >>policy doesn't exactly endear people in, say, Central or South America to 
> >>Americans.  

Yet they still worship our culture.  Hmm.  Do they even know what Canada is?

> >Yes, and you know what? If you idiot canucks would actually learn french
> >(one of your official languages) or German, you would hear what they say
> >about you. They laugh at you. As one of my friends from Paris said "Joe,
> >why do these people wear that stupid leaf?"
> 
>      A lot more Canadians know French and German than yanks.  Most Canadians
> speak at least two languages.  You yanks think you can get by with that 
> language you call "English".

It's not our fault if some damned woggie or spic can't speak the bloody
language.  They just become irrelevant in the larger picture.  

> >"They don't want to be mistaken for Americans."
> 
> >"But that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! I mean, Americans have
> >power. Canadians are just Americans with even less culture and nothing."
> 
>      More compassion towards other nations, a more civil society, a more

Blow up the fishermen!  Kill the Froggies!  

> consistent foreign policy, real commitment to world peace and the environment,

Invite the fishermen to our waters and then blow them up!  Spill cyanide
in Guyanan rivers!

> and a much better attitude towards the countries we travel in.

"Hmm...You funny-talking guys have good beer, eh?"

> >>Dale.  (A proud Canadian)
> 
> >Nothing more pathetic...
> 
>      Oh sure, it is okay for all those inbred yanks to be pretend to be 
> patriotic (while in reality they are just brainwashed), but God forbid there
> should be a patriotic Canadian.  Canadian patriotism is at least more sincere,
> we actually know what we are patriotic about, whereas you yanks are just
> patriotic to whatever the government tells you.

I thought Canada was supposed to be a bilingual, bicultural country. 
You're supposed to be proud of this fact.  In actuality, you regard
Quebeckers as either "foreign" or "insurgent".  Let those goddamned
lamb-fuckers go, you say.  At least in the States we are patriotic enough
to keep our country intact.

*** AND WE KICKED YOUR ASS IN 1776 ***
*** AND WE KICKED YOUR ASS IN 1812 ***

-- 
* Christopher L. MULDOON         *          cmuldo@po-box.mcgill.ca *
* McGill University, Montreal    *     http://mhew151.res.mcgill.ca *

>>>Just out of curiosity, what makes canadiacs think they are so grand anyhow?  
>>>What in your history supports such a contention?  At least europeons have had 
>>>greatness somewhere off in the murky past.  What has cana-(snooze)-duh ever 
>>>done / discovered / accomplished??

First of all, what the fuck is a canadiac? Is that a bad spelling day?
And where might you be from? Britain? Where they think they're still
the mightiest of all, but will one day figure it out? Germany and
Japan? Conquered by the americans who have no history??? (Canada DID a
hell of a lot in those wars too you know). France? Where the damn
FRENCH are?!?! They're bad enough in Canada!

John E. Miller wrote:
> 
> nemecj@mit.edu (Joseph Edward Nemec) wrote:
> >In article <4en4v3$cgo@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, dalel@unixg.ubc.ca (Dale Lum) wrote:
> >
> >
> >"But that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! I mean, Americans have
> >power. Canadians are just Americans with even less culture and nothing."
> >
> >
> >>----
> >>
> Power?  well perhaps a good many of you do - and those who have managed
> to convince you all as a nation not to have things which most other civilized
> nations have have done a good job of it.  Power - yes the power to be
> in poverty and get kicked by Rush and the boys, power to lie in the gutter
> shot to death by some anomic powerless peon....
> 
> But the real power is with the majority wouldn't you say?
> However, the majority of mankind vote in the U.N.  yet the US ignores it
> for the most part  - why?

Because the UN is filled with a bunch of third world straw hut trash who 
live high on our dime and are forced to wipe their butts with sticks 
whenever they go back home for visits because they can't even afford 
toilet paper.  We own the fucking UN and we'll decide how things are 
going to be done.  Whenever you can afford to pay most of the bills of 
those limo riding parasites (not likely ever) then you can call the 
shots.  Until then shut the fuck up and stay in the back seat.

>> >>        Canadian culture is alive and dynamic, and sophisticated far 
>> >>beyond than what your pitiful American intellect is capable of 
>> >>comprehending. 
>> 
>> >Yeah? How? Hockey riots when you losers lose? Bob and Doug MacKenzie?
>> >Drinking alot of Molson and hitting each other?
Name three provinces you stupid american. I could name plenty of
states, but half of the americans I ever see on vacation think Canada
is either a state or somewhere in Eupope.
 
>>      You really believe this stereotyped image?  The MacKenzie brothers were
>> _satire_ you idiot.  Which illustrates an important point.  Canadians can
>> laugh at themselves.  Not just what they do, but who they are and what this
>> country really stands for.  We can look at what we are honestly.  And 
>> sometimes we have to laugh.  In the states you cannot look at yourself
>> honestly.  Those who do and find something they do not like are considered
>> "un-American".
>Well, there's really nothing to laugh at, because we're perfect.  If we
>weren't perfect, someone would take our place.  Hasn't happened in 50
>years, now.
If you were perfect then I think some people might like you.

>> >Give me a break. Canada produces nothing. Not music, not film, not art,
>> >not science. Zip.
>>      That shows you have never even bothered to look.  There is more Canadian
>> music, film, art and science around you than you know.
>This reminds me of a joke: "How can you say Canada sucks?  Haven't you
>heard of the Tragically Hip?"
Oh I get it! That's funny, right!!! Who the fuck are the Tragically
Hip?

>Get a life!  All Canadian music is is homogenized whining.  The Hip,
>Spirit of the West, 54-40', Our Lady Peace.  Celine Dion?  Come on.  
I won't even go INTO yank """""""music""""""". How about your lame-ass
rap? Yo! WZUP! Nigga nigga bitch bitch fuck fuck dick dick! Have you
ever realized how offensive that shit is? 

>Film:  What film?  Where?  The best Canadian films are produced in Quebec,
>anyway.  Art?  Which artist is Canadian?  Science?  The Canada Arm on the
>American space shuttle?  
What film? Ever heard of the X-Files? Oh wait! I forgot! That's filmed
in Washington DC! There's a lot of good movies filmed and produces in
Canada. Do you ever watch interviews with producers? They like filming
in Canada because it's cheaper, the people aren't brainless dicks and
they don't take shit from a million people thinking they're allowed to
sue them!

>> >>American culture is fast food, conservative politics, and t.v.
>> >>shows like "A Current Affair" and "Oprah Winfrey". 
Bravo!
>> >It's also Jazz, Blues, great film, great theater, great writers....the
>> >list is endless.
Great film.. Imported from Canada, Do you yanks ever watch the
credits? Actually FIND OUT where they are made?

>That's funny.  I can't think of a single great Canadian writer.  Hmm. 
That's cause you're a yank. Or an idiot. You don't even know ANYTHING
about Canada.

>> >>Hey, when you 
>> >>vacantly stare at Rush Limbaugh on tv in that characteristically 
>> >>American way, does your jaw hang open, and drool run down your cheek?  
>> >>Just wondering.
I bet they do. 

>> >No, but the drool does run down the cheek of Jean Chretien. 
Should I be offended by that? OWTCH! You insulted a  politician! Why
don't you take a look at YOUR politicians! Clinton - he lets his wife
run the country, and fucks it up pretty much too. Newt Ginbitch - do I
even need to comment?

>>      Going for the old Kim Cambell tactic, eh?
>> >By the way, has he lost the country yet?
>>      As popular as ever.  Whereas people continue to shoot at the White House
>> to kill your leader.
>And in Canada, you think SO highly of your leader that the only protection
>you give him is his wife, Aline.  At least we make assassination
>difficult.
Did anybody try to assasinate a Canadian Prime Minister? That was a
burglar, you stupid git. That just goes to show the intelligence that
you pour into thinking.

>> >>        Not exactly.  Canadians carry maple leaves when travelling 
>> >>because they don't want to be mistaken for Americans.  U.S. foreign 
>> >>policy doesn't exactly endear people in, say, Central or South America to 
>> >>Americans.  
>Yet they still worship our culture.  Hmm.  Do they even know what Canada is?
Who worships you? I went to Europe last summer, and I never saw a
SINGLE person who smiled at a yank. You know who a yank is too - the
one who has a big yank flag on his jacket, and is bellowing in his
weird form of speech into his camcorder.

>> >Yes, and you know what? If you idiot canucks would actually learn french
>> >(one of your official languages) or German, you would hear what they say
>> >about you. They laugh at you. As one of my friends from Paris said "Joe,
>> >why do these people wear that stupid leaf?"
Wel if he's your friend, then I don't wonder why he shares your
delirious, pitiful ego.
Who's 'they'? The ones who worship you? They hate you even more! When
my friends went to Greece, they were treated like garbage until they
said they were from Canada!
 
>>      A lot more Canadians know French and German than yanks.  Most Canadians
>> speak at least two languages.  You yanks think you can get by with that 
>> language you call "English".
>It's not our fault if some damned woggie or spic can't speak the bloody
>language.  They just become irrelevant in the larger picture.  
Oh, I see. So if YOUR minorities or whatever they should be called do
something bad for your country, you think they're unimportant, but if
WE have some minorities, they get blown out of proportion.
Typical american perspective.

>> >"They don't want to be mistaken for Americans."
>> 
>> >"But that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! I mean, Americans have
>> >power. Canadians are just Americans with even less culture and nothing."
That is singlehandedly the most AMERICAN thing I have ever heard.
You're like the british. One day somebody's gonna BLOW THE SHIT out of
your country, or maybe you'll just be surpassed by another one, but
you'll still think that you're all mighty. 

 
>>      More compassion towards other nations, a more civil society, a more
>Blow up the fishermen!  Kill the Froggies!  
Nuke the yanks!

>> consistent foreign policy, real commitment to world peace and the environment,
>Invite the fishermen to our waters and then blow them up!  Spill cyanide
>in Guyanan rivers!
What the fuck was that supposed to mean?

>> and a much better attitude towards the countries we travel in.
>"Hmm...You funny-talking guys have good beer, eh?"
HUH! OH! YEAH! Y'ALL LISTENIN'! 

>> >>Dale.  (A proud Canadian)
Stefan (Yet another one) 
>> >Nothing more pathetic...
...than a yank who thinks like this imbred foghorn.
 
>>      Oh sure, it is okay for all those inbred yanks to be pretend to be 
>> patriotic (while in reality they are just brainwashed), but God forbid there
>> should be a patriotic Canadian.  Canadian patriotism is at least more sincere,
>> we actually know what we are patriotic about, whereas you yanks are just
>> patriotic to whatever the government tells you.
Score another point for the canadian...
>I thought Canada was supposed to be a bilingual, bicultural country. 
>You're supposed to be proud of this fact.  In actuality, you regard
>Quebeckers as either "foreign" or "insurgent".  Let those goddamned
>lamb-fuckers go, you say.  At least in the States we are patriotic enough
>to keep our country intact.
Do you have any states that have a TOTALLY different culture? I don't
think so, just about half of them talk like hicks and marry their
cousins.

>*** AND WE KICKED YOUR ASS IN 1776 ***
I bet you'd have liked to rub it too!
>*** AND WE KICKED YOUR ASS IN 1812 ***
Forgive and forget, asshole. We aren't all pissy about that, it's in
the past. But I bet you think it's something that should go down in
history.

Christopher MULDOON <cmuldo@po-box.mcgill.ca> wrote:
}cs95469@wolfcreek.cs.ualberta.ca wrote:
}> nemecj@mit.edu (Joseph Edward Nemec) writes:
}> >No, but the drool does run down the cheek of Jean Chretien. 
}> 
}>      Going for the old Kim Cambell tactic, eh?
}> 
}> >By the way, has he lost the country yet?
}> 
}>      As popular as ever.  Whereas people continue to shoot at the White House
}> to kill your leader.
}
}And in Canada, you think SO highly of your leader that the only protection
}you give him is his wife, Aline.  At least we make assassination
}difficult.

True.  The protection surrounding your national leader is both extensive
and impressive,

However, doesn't it seem somewhat sad that you consider this to be necessary?
Not to mention a "Good Thing"?

}*** AND WE KICKED YOUR ASS IN 1776 ***
}*** AND WE KICKED YOUR ASS IN 1812 ***

I won't even comment on the absurdity of these two claims.

- Joe
-- 
    "Don't marry for money; you can borrow it cheaper." -- Scottish Proverb
                       http://www.ee.umanitoba.ca/~djc/
D. Joseph Creighton       \ Sr. Programmer, DB Support:  Administrative Systems
Joe_Creighton@UManitoba.CA \ University of Manitoba  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Talon(dumbass)Hawk wrote:
> 
> because the X-Files is based in  DC, you 
> think it's american, right? WRONG! I've been to
> many-a-filmings of it. Pamela Anderson 
> (Star of ButtWatch) is canadian


Oooooooh!

All hail the **culture** of cana-duh!
Boy, you canadiacs sure have a *lot* to be proud of!

You frozen, mother fuckers are pathetic!
-- 


O D E N

Still waiting for **one** original canadian
thought/ acomplishment / reason for existance.

Oden <oden@onramp.net> writes:
>O D E N
>Still waiting for **one** original canadian
>thought/ acomplishment / reason for existance.

Really really good maple syrup.

K.
-
-- 
   -       -    -  - -----He made so much noise----- -  -    -       -
 -      -    -  - -----That I checked out of town----- -  -    -       -
   -      -    -  - -----With blood on my face----- -  -    -       -

Dale Dum wrote:

>
>[Pathetic tripe about boorish, cinematic dimwits like
> Atom EtorGOON deleted] 

Erotica is possibly the worst"underground" movie 
since everyone was yammering about how "shocking" 
Crying Game was...SNOOZE!!  Both movies are
bovine in their execution and intent.

To cite this as "cultural achievement" just shows how
bereft of any redeeming qualities you are.

Atwood and literature in the same sentence!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Atwood and "shoddy novelist" in the same sentence is
a stretch.

Then you posit this excuse:

> if you take into account that Canada has allways had
> a population 1/10 that of the USA we rate quite well.

Actually it's more like 1/8th canucklehead....
...1/10th is how much a canadiac dollar is worth 
compared to $US.

But I feel your pain.  Your getting close to admitting that
your land is bereft of "culture"

...already proffering excuses.

You'll have to do better then this.
-- 


O D E N

Ken Ehrett <ehrettk@atc.ameritel.net> writes:

>Because the UN is filled with a bunch of third world straw hut trash who 
>live high on our dime and are forced to wipe their butts with sticks 
>whenever they go back home for visits because they can't even afford 
>toilet paper.  We own the fucking UN and we'll decide how things are 
>going to be done.  Whenever you can afford to pay most of the bills of 
>those limo riding parasites (not likely ever) then you can call the 
>shots.  Until then shut the fuck up and stay in the back seat.

     Earth to Ken:  the United States has the largest outstanding debt to the
United Nations.  You owe them big time.  Apparently you cannot afford to pay
them back (especially considering yankland is about to go bankrupt).  Now 
what were you saying?
-- 
Serve Gonk.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jon Martin  cs95469@wolfcreek.cs.ualberta.ca  http://www.ualberta.ca/~jomartin/
Entering Department of Computing Science at University of Alberta.

Jon Martin (cs95469@wolfcreek.cs.ualberta.ca) wrote:
: nemecj@mit.edu (Joseph Edward Nemec) writes:
: >Yeah? How? Hockey riots when you losers lose? Bob and Doug MacKenzie?
: >Drinking alot of Molson and hitting each other?

:      You really believe this stereotyped image?  The MacKenzie brothers were
: _satire_ you idiot.  Which illustrates an important point.  Canadians can
: laugh at themselves.  Not just what they do, but who they are and what this
: country really stands for.  We can look at what we are honestly.  And 

	Hell, they might as well laugh at themselves, everyone else 
does.  As for Canada's armed forces.. I seriously have trouble believing 
that they could conquer L.A. much less the entire nation.

: >Give me a break. Canada produces nothing. Not music, not film, not art,
: >not science. Zip.

:      That shows you have never even bothered to look.  There is more Canadian
: music, film, art and science around you than you know.

	Yea Joe-Bob.. we're forgetzing dat lotz a WWF wrastlers are 
Canadian too.. 

: >It's also Jazz, Blues, great film, great theater, great writers....the
: >list is endless.

:      The list is endless.  Yeah right.  I can only think of two great
: yankee writers; Poe and Hemmingway.

	I guess Canadians don't read much either.. try reading a good 
book one day instead of watching a hockey game..

: >By the way, has he lost the country yet?

:      As popular as ever.  Whereas people continue to shoot at the White House
: to kill your leader.

	Hmm.. when you're right you're right I suppose.. I'm not sure if 
you're trying to say Canada has better insane marksmen than we do or 
whether you just love your Prime Minister.

: >Yes, and you know what? If you idiot canucks would actually learn french
: >(one of your official languages) or German, you would hear what they say
: >about you. They laugh at you. As one of my friends from Paris said "Joe,
: >why do these people wear that stupid leaf?"

:      A lot more Canadians know French and German than yanks.  Most Canadians
: speak at least two languages.  You yanks think you can get by with that 
: language you call "English".

	Well hell, can't blame us for that.. check out the UK.. I can 
just see the limeys now trying to come up with an excuse..

: >"But that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! I mean, Americans have
: >power. Canadians are just Americans with even less culture and nothing."

:      More compassion towards other nations, a more civil society, a more
: consistent foreign policy, real commitment to world peace and the environment,
: and a much better attitude towards the countries we travel in.

	Translation:
	"We try to walk softly and carry a big change purse.  If anyone 
gets mad at us we give them money and plead with them not to be pissed at 
us anymore."

:      Oh sure, it is okay for all those inbred yanks to be pretend to be 
: patriotic (while in reality they are just brainwashed), but God forbid there
: should be a patriotic Canadian.  Canadian patriotism is at least more sincere,
: we actually know what we are patriotic about, whereas you yanks are just
: patriotic to whatever the government tells you.

	Patriotic Canadians.. hahahaha

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In article <257cc$d1f28.75@news.express.ca>, an493580@anon.penet.fi
(TalonHawk) wrote:

> >> >>        Canadian culture is alive and dynamic, and sophisticated far 
> >> >>beyond than what your pitiful American intellect is capable of 
> >> >>comprehending. 
> >> 
> >> >Yeah? How? Hockey riots when you losers lose? Bob and Doug MacKenzie?
> >> >Drinking alot of Molson and hitting each other?

> Name three provinces you stupid american. I could name plenty of
> states, but half of the americans I ever see on vacation think Canada
> is either a state or somewhere in Eupope.

Prince Edward Island, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland & Labrador...the three
provinces that are too small to petition the United States for annexation.

And what difference would it make to Americans if Canada were a state, or
somewhere in Europe?  Very little.  Less Canadian change lightening up our
wallets, that's all.  

> >>      You really believe this stereotyped image?  The MacKenzie
brothers were
> >> _satire_ you idiot.  Which illustrates an important point.  Canadians can
> >> laugh at themselves.  Not just what they do, but who they are and what this
> >> country really stands for.  We can look at what we are honestly.  And 
> >> sometimes we have to laugh.  In the states you cannot look at yourself
> >> honestly.  Those who do and find something they do not like are considered
> >> "un-American".
> >Well, there's really nothing to laugh at, because we're perfect.  If we
> >weren't perfect, someone would take our place.  Hasn't happened in 50
> >years, now.
> If you were perfect then I think some people might like you.

No.  They're all too jealous and full of inferiority complexes.

> >> >Give me a break. Canada produces nothing. Not music, not film, not art,
> >> >not science. Zip.
> >>      That shows you have never even bothered to look.  There is more
Canadian
> >> music, film, art and science around you than you know.
> >This reminds me of a joke: "How can you say Canada sucks?  Haven't you
> >heard of the Tragically Hip?"
> Oh I get it! That's funny, right!!! Who the fuck are the Tragically
> Hip?

You are obviously not Canadian.  Perhaps you should get out of the sheath
of anonymity you hide behind.  Maybe, indeed, you should get a pair of
balls, even small ones.  Are you paranoid?  Think Uncle Sam is out to get
you?  Think that anon.penet.fi (or is that a faked address) is out of the
American grasp?  Do thoughts of CIA raids on Finnish computers keep you up
at night?

> >Get a life!  All Canadian music is is homogenized whining.  The Hip,
> >Spirit of the West, 54-40', Our Lady Peace.  Celine Dion?  Come on.  

> I won't even go INTO yank """""""music""""""". How about your lame-ass
> rap? Yo! WZUP! Nigga nigga bitch bitch fuck fuck dick dick! Have you
> ever realized how offensive that shit is? 

I never minded that myself.  'Course, I've got some emotional balance. 
Now tell me, you haven't yet realized how FUNNY Snoop Doggy Dogg and his
friends are?  You think it's all serious?  You think we take it
seriously?  

> >Film:  What film?  Where?  The best Canadian films are produced in Quebec,
> >anyway.  Art?  Which artist is Canadian?  Science?  The Canada Arm on the
> >American space shuttle?  

> What film? Ever heard of the X-Files? Oh wait! I forgot! That's filmed

Oh wait!  You forgot!  That's a TV show.  Not film, not science (although
you probably buy the government conspiracy stuff hook, line...)

> in Washington DC! There's a lot of good movies filmed and produces in
> Canada. Do you ever watch interviews with producers? They like filming
> in Canada because it's cheaper, the people aren't brainless dicks and
> they don't take shit from a million people thinking they're allowed to
> sue them!

Ah, so they can screw up like Brandon Lee and not have to pay for it?

> >> >>American culture is fast food, conservative politics, and t.v.
> >> >>shows like "A Current Affair" and "Oprah Winfrey". 
> Bravo!
> >> >It's also Jazz, Blues, great film, great theater, great writers....the
> >> >list is endless.
> Great film.. Imported from Canada, Do you yanks ever watch the
> credits? Actually FIND OUT where they are made?

No one's ever argued that Canada's scenery is lacking.  The creative bits,
the actual thinking, the producers, directors, actors (the good ones) are
all American or French or British.  

> >That's funny.  I can't think of a single great Canadian writer.  Hmm. 
> That's cause you're a yank. Or an idiot. You don't even know ANYTHING
> about Canada.

Apparently you don't either.  Go ahead.  Name a GREAT Canadian writer. 
Gabrielle Roy, maybe?  Robertson Davies?  Contenders, but like Canada,
doomed to second billing.

> >> >>Hey, when you 
> >> >>vacantly stare at Rush Limbaugh on tv in that characteristically 
> >> >>American way, does your jaw hang open, and drool run down your cheek?  
> >> >>Just wondering.
> I bet they do. 
> 
> >> >No, but the drool does run down the cheek of Jean Chretien. 

> Should I be offended by that? OWTCH! You insulted a  politician! Why
> don't you take a look at YOUR politicians! Clinton - he lets his wife
> run the country, and fucks it up pretty much too. Newt Ginbitch - do I
> even need to comment?

Wherever the heck (note the restraint displayed on the swearing; it makes
the rest of the article seem intelligent, unlike yours) you're from, I bet
your politicians are worse than the American ones.  

> >>      Going for the old Kim Cambell tactic, eh?
> >> >By the way, has he lost the country yet?
> >>      As popular as ever.  Whereas people continue to shoot at the
White House
> >> to kill your leader.
> >And in Canada, you think SO highly of your leader that the only protection
> >you give him is his wife, Aline.  At least we make assassination
> >difficult.

> Did anybody try to assasinate a Canadian Prime Minister? That was a
> burglar, you stupid git. That just goes to show the intelligence that
> you pour into thinking.

The "burglar"'s own lawyer said that a connection between the attack and
the Quebec referendum was "logical".  Why did the "burglar" have a knife
and go up to the Chr�tien bedroom?  

> >> >>        Not exactly.  Canadians carry maple leaves when travelling 
> >> >>because they don't want to be mistaken for Americans.  U.S. foreign 
> >> >>policy doesn't exactly endear people in, say, Central or South
America to 
> >> >>Americans.  
> >Yet they still worship our culture.  Hmm.  Do they even know what Canada is?

> Who worships you? I went to Europe last summer, and I never saw a
> SINGLE person who smiled at a yank. You know who a yank is too - the

Who smiles at their superiors?

> one who has a big yank flag on his jacket, and is bellowing in his
> weird form of speech into his camcorder.

To take pictures of that quaint, antiquated continent with its funny
practices, languages, and stupid little ethnic conflicts.  It's dying out,
you know.

The quote pertains to Latin America, anyway. 

> >> >Yes, and you know what? If you idiot canucks would actually learn french
> >> >(one of your official languages) or German, you would hear what they say
> >> >about you. They laugh at you. As one of my friends from Paris said "Joe,
> >> >why do these people wear that stupid leaf?"

> Wel if he's your friend, then I don't wonder why he shares your
> delirious, pitiful ego.

Quote the proper article and respond in kind.  

> Who's 'they'? The ones who worship you? They hate you even more! When
> my friends went to Greece, they were treated like garbage until they
> said they were from Canada!

> >>      A lot more Canadians know French and German than yanks.  Most
Canadians
> >> speak at least two languages.  You yanks think you can get by with that 
> >> language you call "English".
> >It's not our fault if some damned woggie or spic can't speak the bloody
> >language.  They just become irrelevant in the larger picture.  

> Oh, I see. So if YOUR minorities or whatever they should be called do
> something bad for your country, you think they're unimportant, but if

No, woggie means foreigner.  Spic can apply to anyone who speak pidgin English. 

> WE have some minorities, they get blown out of proportion.
> Typical american perspective.

You consider the French Canadians minorities?  No wonder you have problems.  

> >> >"They don't want to be mistaken for Americans."
> >> 
> >> >"But that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! I mean, Americans have
> >> >power. Canadians are just Americans with even less culture and nothing."

Please quote the proper article and include quote headers.

> That is singlehandedly the most AMERICAN thing I have ever heard.
> You're like the british. One day somebody's gonna BLOW THE SHIT out of
> your country, or maybe you'll just be surpassed by another one, but
> you'll still think that you're all mighty. 

No, that's not going to happen.  Really.  Militarily, the United States is
INVINCIBLE.  Try something, and you'll see.  The best you'll ever come up
with is a mutual loss.

> >>      More compassion towards other nations, a more civil society, a more
> >Blow up the fishermen!  Kill the Froggies!  
> Nuke the yanks!

...And face the wrath of God.

> >> consistent foreign policy, real commitment to world peace and the
environment,
> >Invite the fishermen to our waters and then blow them up!  Spill cyanide
> >in Guyanan rivers!

> What the fuck was that supposed to mean?

What?  Are you sentient?  Cambior.

> >> and a much better attitude towards the countries we travel in.
> >"Hmm...You funny-talking guys have good beer, eh?"
> HUH! OH! YEAH! Y'ALL LISTENIN'! 
> 
> >> >>Dale.  (A proud Canadian)
> Stefan (Yet another one) 
> >> >Nothing more pathetic...
> ...than a yank who thinks like this imbred foghorn.
>  
> >>      Oh sure, it is okay for all those inbred yanks to be pretend to be 
> >> patriotic (while in reality they are just brainwashed), but God
forbid there
> >> should be a patriotic Canadian.  Canadian patriotism is at least more
sincere,
> >> we actually know what we are patriotic about, whereas you yanks are just
> >> patriotic to whatever the government tells you.
> Score another point for the canadian...
> >I thought Canada was supposed to be a bilingual, bicultural country. 
> >You're supposed to be proud of this fact.  In actuality, you regard
> >Quebeckers as either "foreign" or "insurgent".  Let those goddamned
> >lamb-fuckers go, you say.  At least in the States we are patriotic enough
> >to keep our country intact.

> Do you have any states that have a TOTALLY different culture? I don't
> think so, just about half of them talk like hicks and marry their
> cousins.

So what?  At least we'll make the millenium.

> >*** AND WE KICKED YOUR ASS IN 1776 ***
> I bet you'd have liked to rub it too!
> >*** AND WE KICKED YOUR ASS IN 1812 ***
> Forgive and forget, asshole. We aren't all pissy about that, it's in
> the past. But I bet you think it's something that should go down in
> history.

The first thing out of any Canadian's mouth when I say I'm from the States
is "we beat you in 1812".  Complete brainwash from the Canadian
government, frankly, to cure little canuckies of their inferiority
problems.

-- 
* Christopher L. MULDOON         *          cmuldo@po-box.mcgill.ca *
* McGill University, Montreal    *     http://mhew151.res.mcgill.ca *

In <4f8cns$c91@csu-b.csuohio.edu> drsoran@ni.cba.csuohio.edu (drsoran)
writes: 
>
>Jon Martin (cs95469@wolfcreek.cs.ualberta.ca) wrote:
>: nemecj@mit.edu (Joseph Edward Nemec) writes:
>: >Yeah? How? Hockey riots when you losers lose? Bob and Doug
MacKenzie?
>: >Drinking alot of Molson and hitting each other?
>
>:      You really believe this stereotyped image?  The MacKenzie
brothers were
>: _satire_ you idiot.  Which illustrates an important point. 
Canadians can
>: laugh at themselves.  Not just what they do, but who they are and
what this
>: country really stands for.  We can look at what we are honestly. 
And 
>
>	Hell, they might as well laugh at themselves, everyone else 
>does.  As for Canada's armed forces.. I seriously have trouble
believing 
>that they could conquer L.A. much less the entire nation.
>
>: >Give me a break. Canada produces nothing. Not music, not film, not
art,
>: >not science. Zip.
>
>:      That shows you have never even bothered to look.  There is more
Canadian
>: music, film, art and science around you than you know.
>
>	Yea Joe-Bob.. we're forgetzing dat lotz a WWF wrastlers are 
>Canadian too.. 
>
>: >It's also Jazz, Blues, great film, great theater, great
writers....the
>: >list is endless.
>
>:      The list is endless.  Yeah right.  I can only think of two
great
>: yankee writers; Poe and Hemmingway.
>
>	I guess Canadians don't read much either.. try reading a good 
>book one day instead of watching a hockey game..
>
>: >By the way, has he lost the country yet?
>
>:      As popular as ever.  Whereas people continue to shoot at the
White House
>: to kill your leader.
>
>	Hmm.. when you're right you're right I suppose.. I'm not sure if 
>you're trying to say Canada has better insane marksmen than we do or 
>whether you just love your Prime Minister.
>
>: >Yes, and you know what? If you idiot canucks would actually learn
french
>: >(one of your official languages) or German, you would hear what
they say
>: >about you. They laugh at you. As one of my friends from Paris said
"Joe,
>: >why do these people wear that stupid leaf?"
>
>:      A lot more Canadians know French and German than yanks.  Most
Canadians
>: speak at least two languages.  You yanks think you can get by with
that 
>: language you call "English".
>
>	Well hell, can't blame us for that.. check out the UK.. I can 
>just see the limeys now trying to come up with an excuse..
>
>: >"But that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! I mean, Americans
have
>: >power. Canadians are just Americans with even less culture and
nothing."
>
>:      More compassion towards other nations, a more civil society, a
more
>: consistent foreign policy, real commitment to world peace and the
environment,
>: and a much better attitude towards the countries we travel in.
>
>	Translation:
>	"We try to walk softly and carry a big change purse.  If anyone 
>gets mad at us we give them money and plead with them not to be pissed
at 
>us anymore."
>
>:      Oh sure, it is okay for all those inbred yanks to be pretend to
be 
>: patriotic (while in reality they are just brainwashed), but God
forbid there
>: should be a patriotic Canadian.  Canadian patriotism is at least
more sincere,
>: we actually know what we are patriotic about, whereas you yanks are
just
>: patriotic to whatever the government tells you.
>
>	Patriotic Canadians.. hahahaha
>
>--
>---------------------------------------------------------
>             drsoran@ni.cba.csuohio.edu
>     web page - http://ni.cba.csuohio.edu/~drsoran




     Your both a couple of wankers.I am a British Canadian (I hate the
bloody french) living in the US.I really doubt Canada could even take
one state,let alone the entire country.However,that one yank screwed up
his argument by dragging his pansy arsed french friend into it.ANYONE
that knows ANYTHING knows the French are the most despised
"nationiality" on the earth (and those dorks derserve it to)
      A pro-USA,anti-french British Canadian

nemecj@mit.edu (Joseph Edward Nemec) wrote:
>In article <4en4v3$cgo@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, dalel@unixg.ubc.ca (Dale Lum) wrote:
>
>
>>        Canadian culture is alive and dynamic, and sophisticated far 
>>beyond than what your pitiful American intellect is capable of 
>>comprehending. 
>
>Yeah? How? Hockey riots when you losers lose? Bob and Doug MacKenzie?
>Drinking alot of Molson and hitting each other?
>
>Give me a break. Canada produces nothing. Not music, not film, not art,
>not science. Zip.
>
>>American culture is fast food, conservative politics, and t.v.
>>shows like "A Current Affair" and "Oprah Winfrey". 
>
>It's also Jazz, Blues, great film, great theater, great writers....the
>list is endless.
>
CINEMA:
Canadian cinema is vastly superior to American Cinema.
Denis Arcand and Atom Egoyan are among the greatest directors
IMHO Atom Egoyan is the greatest director EVER and people
will be watching his films hundreds of years in the future and marvelling
at them the same way people marvel at the works of Beethoven, Michaelangelo,
and Shakespeare today. Hollywood is a pulp factory of Lowest common denomenator
shit. Yes there are some good Directors in the U.S.A. but their works get
made in SPITE of the dominant culture not because of it. Stanley Kubrik had
to run away to England in order to be allowed to exercise the full extent of
his genius. Brazil, one of the greatest american movie ever made was almost
strangled by its producer who wanted to dumb it down so stupid semiliterate
culturally moronified Americans would like it. Terry Gilliam allways has
problems anytime he wants to do anything daring. Robert Altmann is virtually
a parahia in Hollywood. Independent Cinema is encouraged daring wierd and
Avant guard in Canada and generously subsidized. Independent cinema in the
USA is neutered by threats from the Christian right and other primitivists.

Great writers:
HA! Mordeccai Richler, Robertson Davies, Margeret Lawrence, Margeret Atwood
come to mind, if you take into account that Canada has allways had
a population 1/10 that of the USA we rate quite well.
ART:
The Group of 7 kicked the butt of all their contemporary American artists.

Science:
HA! HA! HA! HA! 
John Polanyi, Gerhardt Herzberg, Bert Brockhouse, all won the Nobel Prize
thats 3 in the last 25 years for a country with 30- million inhabitants!
If you have any friends with Diabetes they owe their life to two Canadians.

>>Hey, when you 
>>vacantly stare at Rush Limbaugh on tv in that characteristically 
>>American way, does your jaw hang open, and drool run down your cheek?  
>>Just wondering.
>
>No, but the drool does run down the cheek of Jean Chretien. 

Jean Chretien Is a very intelligent man born with a neurological disorder.
This is a Cheap Shot.

>By the way, has he lost the country yet?
>
>>        Not exactly.  Canadians carry maple leaves when travelling 
>>because they don't want to be mistaken for Americans.  U.S. foreign 
>>policy doesn't exactly endear people in, say, Central or South America to 
>>Americans.  
>
>Yes, and you know what? If you idiot canucks would actually learn french
>(one of your official languages) or German, you would hear what they say
>about you. They laugh at you. As one of my friends from Paris said "Joe,
>why do these people wear that stupid leaf?"
>
>"They don't want to be mistaken for Americans."
>
>"But that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! I mean, Americans have
>power. Canadians are just Americans with even less culture and nothing."
>
Ignorant people are everywhere SO?
>>----
>>
>>Dale.  (A proud Canadian)
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Nothing more pathetic...
>
>--
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what's wrong with WINNIPEG?

st4nv@rosie.uh.edu (Steinkoenig, Marc J.) wrote:
>In article <310FDDDE.7C32@onramp.net>, oden@onramp.net writes...
>>Dale Lum wrote:
>>> 
>>>Hey, you live in Texas, right?  That means that you probably married 
>>>your cousin. What's its like to live in an inbred town? Just curious.
>
>I'll have you know that if we DID have incest in Texas, it would be 
>bigger and better than any incest you could probably come up with. 
>I mean, we wouldn't just molest cows like canucks, we'd molest whole 
>RANCHES. And that's just the begining. 

Molesting cows is bestiality, not incest. Then again, in Texas...

Graham

"I am a donut" - John F Kennedy in Berlin

In article <4fbmfb$gc9@hobbes.cc.uga.edu>, Alex Bunker
<bunker@dcs.uga.edu> wrote:


>Well I live in the states and am Canadian So I kind of have the reverse
>perspective. I find Americans for the most part to be extremely ingnorant,
>deluded, and utterly deluvian in all their Christ-bashing puritanical
>nonsense. Violence for kids, theaching children that violence is an
>apprpriate means for problem solving but nudity, OH NO!

Please. Showing bare breasts on the CBC for three seconds a day does not
make you french in your attitudes towards nudity. As for youth violence, I
remember the youth hockey games, and all you non-violent canucks telling
your sons to kill the other team

>Having lived a number of years in both I can Judge both societies,
>and trust me my stay here is certainly temporary.

We couldn't be happier that you are leaving. As you are clearly incapable
of rational thought, you are clearly incapable of supporting yourself.
Don't let the door hit you on the ass.

>But your sense of humour is so blunt and moronic.

Please. I've seen "The Kids in the Hall". You call this high-brow? "I'm
crushing your head, I'm crushing your head". Pathetic.

>If Canada is such a pathetic place then why does the U.N. continue to
>rate it as the #1 best quality of life and most developed nation on the
>face of the earth while the U.S.languishes as little more than
>an extrememly rich third world nation with old fashioned conservative
>politics, vast destabilizing differences between rich and poor, murder rates
>more than 10 times those in truly developed nations, and the only "Developed"
>SMIRK! nation with no universal healthcare (When you say "Socialized medecine
>ooohhh, yuck how radical! WE HAVE THE BEST MEDICAL CARE IN THE WORLD" we
>in the truly developed world say "HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!")

If you knew anything, which you clearly don't, then you would know that
the US ranked us second, right behind you. The gap between rich and poor
in canada is almost as high as the gap in the US, the poverty rate is
actually higher and the murder rate is one-third of ours. As for your
medical, it is second rate. Most of my relatives in Montreal go to
Plattsburg because they don't want to wait for treatment. Your cure rates
for major diseases are much lower than ours, and your system is bankrupt,
giving you the highest debt in the G7, after Italy. As for those
conservative politics, I take it that you believe Mike Harris to be a
liberal? 

And when we think of your unemployment rates we in the employed world say
"HAHAHAHAHAHA".

>ands safe clean streets no stress over fear of getting bankrupting medical
>bills, lower infant mortality rate, and longer life expectancy.

Safe, clean streets? HAHAHAHA. That's a laugh. I've lived in Montreal.
Number one, the place is filthy. Number two, I heard more whining about "I
don't feel safe" than I ever did in New York. As for differences in infant
mortality rate and life expectancy, it is negligable.

>Robertson Davies, Margeret Atwood, Margeret Lawrence, Moreccai Richler...

Margret Atwood? "The Handmaid's Tale"? Trash...

Davies was good, but not great.

As for Mordecai Richler, I know him. He's a good man, and writes well. But
he won't be read in 40 years. "Oh Canada, Oh Quebec!" will be seen as a
failed appeal for a second-rate nation to hold itseld together. This, in
true canadian fashion, won't pan out.

>Maybe not the greatest authors ever but I think we do ok from our
>pool of 30 odd million...

No, you don't. Compared to the truly great novelists and poets we've
produced, you've done absolutely nothing. Have you even won a Nobel Prize
in literature? We have 11....


>Here, write a ration of assasinated Canadian Prime ministers to
>the AMERICAN counterpart:

A "ration"? Are you drunk, or just illiterate?

Oh, you meant "ratio"! I see. Very witty. HAHAHA. 

I suspect that there would have been more political assassinations in
Canada if canadians weren't so incompetent.

>Canadians have bravely donned the Blue helmet and performed their peacekeeping
>duty for the U.N. and layed down their lives for it under the U.N. colours
>(many many in Cyprus)
>across the world with none of this "Never serve under foreign command"
>bullshit.

Of course not. With your command, I'd be happy to serve under Genghis Kahn.

As for your participation in UN missions, you never do any of the heavy
lifting. When we were about to go into Haiti 15 months ago to restore
democracy, where was Canada? When we drew a line in the sand in the gulf,
where was Canada?

You're just a bunch of johnny-come-latelys.

>We posess a true internationalist spirit of loyalty to the U.N. and pay our
>dues promptly, and give generous foreign aid. Our U.N. ambassadors have been
>great leaders of peace who have proudly represented progress social-justice
>and fairness from Lester Pearson to Steven Lewis a man hailed and loved
>by people across the developing world.

You really believe this, don't you? That's quite sad. 

Tell you what little canadian, we'll continue guaranteeing the
international sea lanes, defending the Korean peninsula, keeping the peace
in the rest of Asia, keeping the peace in Bosnia and making peace in the
Middle East, and you pay your bills on time. There, feel better?

>Ok Ok the somalia thing, every country has criminals and mishaps but to focus
>on it is to rediculously overlook the big picture.

Why not? People still bring up My Lai, and that was 25 years ago. Somalia
was just a bit more recent, and racially motivated, to boot.


>A history of peace law and order, The Mounties partolling the west so
>it was never wild, a peaceful confederation without bloodshed, no genocide
>of native americans after breaking their treaties.

Uh, I think you've swallowed a little bit too much of your government
propaganda. Go to your Indian reservations, and just open your eyes.
You'll see just how well your government has treated the native Americans
in Canada.

>Still rated #1 by the U.N.
>HA HA!!!

Canada got a 95 out of 100, and the US got 93.5. Hardly a big difference.

--
.sig under destruction...

In <nemecj-0702962339560001@bluebox-7.mit.edu> nemecj@mit.edu (Joseph
Edward Nemec) writes: 
>
>In article <4fbmfb$gc9@hobbes.cc.uga.edu>, Alex Bunker
><bunker@dcs.uga.edu> wrote:
>
>
>>Well I live in the states and am Canadian So I kind of have the
reverse
>>perspective. I find Americans for the most part to be extremely
ingnorant,
>>deluded, and utterly deluvian in all their Christ-bashing puritanical
>>nonsense. Violence for kids, theaching children that violence is an
>>apprpriate means for problem solving but nudity, OH NO!
>
>Please. Showing bare breasts on the CBC for three seconds a day does
not
>make you french in your attitudes towards nudity. As for youth
violence, I
>remember the youth hockey games, and all you non-violent canucks
telling
>your sons to kill the other team
>
>>Having lived a number of years in both I can Judge both societies,
>>and trust me my stay here is certainly temporary.
>
>We couldn't be happier that you are leaving. As you are clearly
incapable
>of rational thought, you are clearly incapable of supporting yourself.
>Don't let the door hit you on the ass.
>
>>But your sense of humour is so blunt and moronic.
>
>Please. I've seen "The Kids in the Hall". You call this high-brow?
"I'm
>crushing your head, I'm crushing your head". Pathetic.
>
>>If Canada is such a pathetic place then why does the U.N. continue to
>>rate it as the #1 best quality of life and most developed nation on
the
>>face of the earth while the U.S.languishes as little more than
>>an extrememly rich third world nation with old fashioned conservative
>>politics, vast destabilizing differences between rich and poor,
murder rates
>>more than 10 times those in truly developed nations, and the only
"Developed"
>>SMIRK! nation with no universal healthcare (When you say "Socialized
medecine
>>ooohhh, yuck how radical! WE HAVE THE BEST MEDICAL CARE IN THE WORLD"
we
>>in the truly developed world say "HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!")
>
>If you knew anything, which you clearly don't, then you would know
that
>the US ranked us second, right behind you. The gap between rich and
poor
>in canada is almost as high as the gap in the US, the poverty rate is
>actually higher and the murder rate is one-third of ours. As for your
>medical, it is second rate. Most of my relatives in Montreal go to
>Plattsburg because they don't want to wait for treatment. Your cure
rates
>for major diseases are much lower than ours, and your system is
bankrupt,
>giving you the highest debt in the G7, after Italy. As for those
>conservative politics, I take it that you believe Mike Harris to be a
>liberal? 
>
>And when we think of your unemployment rates we in the employed world
say
>"HAHAHAHAHAHA".
>
>>ands safe clean streets no stress over fear of getting bankrupting
medical
>>bills, lower infant mortality rate, and longer life expectancy.
>
>Safe, clean streets? HAHAHAHA. That's a laugh. I've lived in Montreal.
>Number one, the place is filthy. Number two, I heard more whining
about "I
>don't feel safe" than I ever did in New York. As for differences in
infant
>mortality rate and life expectancy, it is negligable.
>
>>Robertson Davies, Margeret Atwood, Margeret Lawrence, Moreccai
Richler...
>
>Margret Atwood? "The Handmaid's Tale"? Trash...
>
>Davies was good, but not great.
>
>As for Mordecai Richler, I know him. He's a good man, and writes well.
But
>he won't be read in 40 years. "Oh Canada, Oh Quebec!" will be seen as
a
>failed appeal for a second-rate nation to hold itseld together. This,
in
>true canadian fashion, won't pan out.
>
>>Maybe not the greatest authors ever but I think we do ok from our
>>pool of 30 odd million...
>
>No, you don't. Compared to the truly great novelists and poets we've
>produced, you've done absolutely nothing. Have you even won a Nobel
Prize
>in literature? We have 11....
>
>
>>Here, write a ration of assasinated Canadian Prime ministers to
>>the AMERICAN counterpart:
>
>A "ration"? Are you drunk, or just illiterate?
>
>Oh, you meant "ratio"! I see. Very witty. HAHAHA. 
>
>I suspect that there would have been more political assassinations in
>Canada if canadians weren't so incompetent.
>
>>Canadians have bravely donned the Blue helmet and performed their
peacekeeping
>>duty for the U.N. and layed down their lives for it under the U.N.
colours
>>(many many in Cyprus)
>>across the world with none of this "Never serve under foreign
command"
>>bullshit.
>
>Of course not. With your command, I'd be happy to serve under Genghis
Kahn.
>
>As for your participation in UN missions, you never do any of the
heavy
>lifting. When we were about to go into Haiti 15 months ago to restore
>democracy, where was Canada? When we drew a line in the sand in the
gulf,
>where was Canada?
>
>You're just a bunch of johnny-come-latelys.
>
>>We posess a true internationalist spirit of loyalty to the U.N. and
pay our
>>dues promptly, and give generous foreign aid. Our U.N. ambassadors
have been
>>great leaders of peace who have proudly represented progress
social-justice
>>and fairness from Lester Pearson to Steven Lewis a man hailed and
loved
>>by people across the developing world.
>
>You really believe this, don't you? That's quite sad. 
>
>Tell you what little canadian, we'll continue guaranteeing the
>international sea lanes, defending the Korean peninsula, keeping the
peace
>in the rest of Asia, keeping the peace in Bosnia and making peace in
the
>Middle East, and you pay your bills on time. There, feel better?
>
>>Ok Ok the somalia thing, every country has criminals and mishaps but
to focus
>>on it is to rediculously overlook the big picture.
>
>Why not? People still bring up My Lai, and that was 25 years ago.
Somalia
>was just a bit more recent, and racially motivated, to boot.
>
>
>>A history of peace law and order, The Mounties partolling the west so
>>it was never wild, a peaceful confederation without bloodshed, no
genocide
>>of native americans after breaking their treaties.
>
>Uh, I think you've swallowed a little bit too much of your government
>propaganda. Go to your Indian reservations, and just open your eyes.
>You'll see just how well your government has treated the native
Americans
>in Canada.
>
>>Still rated #1 by the U.N.
>>HA HA!!!
>
>Canada got a 95 out of 100, and the US got 93.5. Hardly a big
difference.
>
>--
>.sig under destruction...







    Christians are worse than the americans and french combined.

In article <4fbmfb$gc9@hobbes.cc.uga.edu>, Alex Bunker
<bunker@dcs.uga.edu> wrote:

> Joseph Edward Nemec <nemecj> wrote:
> >cs95469@wolfcreek.cs.ualberta.ca (Jon Martin) wrote:
> >
> >>>Yeah? How? Hockey riots when you losers lose? Bob and Doug MacKenzie?
> >>>Drinking alot of Molson and hitting each other?
> >>
> >>     You really believe this stereotyped image?  
> >
> >Yes. I've lived in Canada. 
> 
> Well I live in the states and am Canadian So I kind of have the reverse
> perspective. I find Americans for the most part to be extremely ingnorant,
> deluded, and utterly deluvian in all their Christ-bashing puritanical
> nonsense. Violence for kids, theaching children that violence is an
> apprpriate means for problem solving but nudity, OH NO!
> Having lived a number of years in both I can Judge both societies,
> and trust me my stay here is certainly temporary.

Glad to hear it.  Make your money, get your degree and get out.  

> >>     The list is endless.  Yeah right.  I can only think of two great
> >>yankee writers; Poe and Hemmingway.
> >
> >James, Faulkner, Eliot, Pound, Buck, Steinbeck, Whitman...the list is
endless.
> >
> Robertson Davies, Margeret Atwood, Margeret Lawrence, Moreccai Richler...
> Maybe not the greatest authors ever but I think we do ok from our
> pool of 30 odd million...

Which is really Canada's goal.  To be a patriotic Canadian, one says "I
think we do ok from our pool of 30 odd million."  That's really it.  

> Canadians have bravely donned the Blue helmet and performed their peacekeeping
> duty for the U.N. and layed down their lives for it under the U.N. colours
> (many many in Cyprus)
> across the world with none of this "Never serve under foreign command"
> bullshit.
> We posess a true internationalist spirit of loyalty to the U.N. and pay our
> dues promptly, and give generous foreign aid. Our U.N. ambassadors have been
> great leaders of peace who have proudly represented progress social-justice
  ^^^^^
No.  Not great, just good.

> and fairness from Lester Pearson to Steven Lewis a man hailed and loved
> by people across the developing world.

Yep.  You pay your dues.  

> A history of peace law and order, The Mounties partolling the west so
> it was never wild, a peaceful confederation without bloodshed, no genocide
> of native americans after breaking their treaties.

And this pretty much sums up Canada.

Canada is the upper middle class gentleman from across the street.  His
hair is always short and clean, his whiskers neatly trimmed.  He suits are
made from sturdy cloth, his pocket watch is wound.  He's married to a
decent girl, they have two little boys, and every year at Christmas time
they get some wooden toys.

The gentleman belongs to several clubs, he has no enemies; no one ever
felt uneasy talking to this chap.  He works from nine to five at a
decent-paying white collar job, takes the public transit home in time to
bless the meal.

Then one night his house burned down and torched his moderately-worn
flesh.  The papers read, "Family of four dies in house fire," and a lot of
people turned and stared.  Then they went about their business, there was
a well-attended funeral service, a plaque was commissioned at the club,
and everyone was somber at the office for about three weeks, maybe four.

Cheers,

-- 
* Christopher L. MULDOON         *          cmuldo@po-box.mcgill.ca *
* McGill University, Montreal    *     http://mhew151.res.mcgill.ca *

In <4f77gj$28q@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> s9511925@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU
(The Crazysitter) writes: 
>
>
>what's wrong with WINNIPEG?




  It's full of poor white trash and Indians,that is what's wrong with
it.

Joseph Edward Nemec <nemecj> wrote:
>cs95469@wolfcreek.cs.ualberta.ca (Jon Martin) wrote:
>
>>>Yeah? How? Hockey riots when you losers lose? Bob and Doug MacKenzie?
>>>Drinking alot of Molson and hitting each other?
>>
>>     You really believe this stereotyped image?  
>
>Yes. I've lived in Canada. 

Well I live in the states and am Canadian So I kind of have the reverse
perspective. I find Americans for the most part to be extremely ingnorant,
deluded, and utterly deluvian in all their Christ-bashing puritanical
nonsense. Violence for kids, theaching children that violence is an
apprpriate means for problem solving but nudity, OH NO!
Having lived a number of years in both I can Judge both societies,
and trust me my stay here is certainly temporary.
>>The MacKenzie brothers were _satire_ you idiot.  
>
>Really? Personally, I thought they were a bit more "Kingston, Ontario".
>
>>Which illustrates an important point.  Canadians can
>>laugh at themselves.  
>
>I laugh at them, too.

But your sense of humour is so blunt and moronic.
Americans completely lack a cynical sense of ironic
wit which is what I classify as the pinnacle of intellectual
humour. American black Comedies are SO tame...

>>Not just what they do, but who they are and what this
>>country really stands for.  
>
>That is something else I laugh at.
>
>>We can look at what we are honestly.  And 
>>sometimes we have to laugh.  
>
>Yes, I know the feeling. As I said, when I look at you honestly, I have to
>laugh, too.

If Canada is such a pathetic place then why does the U.N. continue to
rate it as the #1 best quality of life and most developed nation on the
face of the earth while the U.S. languishes as little more than
an extrememly rich third world nation with old fashioned conservative
politics, vast destabilizing differences between rich and poor, murder rates
more than 10 times those in truly developed nations, and the only "Developed"
SMIRK! nation with no universal healthcare (When you say "Socialized medecine
ooohhh, yuck how radical! WE HAVE THE BEST MEDICAL CARE IN THE WORLD" we
in the truly developed world say "HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!")

>>In the states you cannot look at yourself honestly.  
>>Those who do and find something they do not like are considered
>>"un-American".
>
>This is nonsense. Anyone who has seen such films as "Don't drink your juice in
>the hood", etc. knows that we have a very good sense of humor about ourselves.
>We also are able to laugh when other countries insult us, something Canadians
>are incapable of. They have too big a chip on their shoulders.
>
>Hey fuck-face, I am acutally from Canada. I got out because I didn't want to
>have to fuck a moose, like the rest of you. Still, I go back once in awhile,
>and I laugh at your pathetic lives. Not only is there no such thing as Canadian
>culture, there is really no such thing as Canada. Face it, canuck, you are all
>just Americans with no jobs and bad accents

ands safe clean streets no stress over fear of getting bankrupting medical
bills, lower infant mortality rate, and longer life expectancy.

>>>Give me a break. Canada produces nothing. Not music, not film, not art,
>>>not science. Zip.
>>
>>     That shows you have never even bothered to look.  There is more Canadian
>>music, film, art and science around you than you know.
>
>But I'll bet you can't name it.
>
>
>>>It's also Jazz, Blues, great film, great theater, great writers....the
>>>list is endless.
>>
>>     The list is endless.  Yeah right.  I can only think of two great
>>yankee writers; Poe and Hemmingway.
>
>James, Faulkner, Eliot, Pound, Buck, Steinbeck, Whitman...the list is endless.
>

Robertson Davies, Margeret Atwood, Margeret Lawrence, Moreccai Richler...
Maybe not the greatest authors ever but I think we do ok from our
pool of 30 odd million...

>But I am not surprised you can't name more than Hemingway and Poe. I know how
>bad your education system is.
>
>>>No, but the drool does run down the cheek of Jean Chretien. 
>>
>>     Going for the old Kim Cambell tactic, eh?
>
>Me? No. I sort of figure that the best leader for Canada is Bill Clinton.
>
>
>>>By the way, has he lost the country yet?
>>
>>     As popular as ever.  Whereas people continue to shoot at the White House
>>to kill your leader.
>
>*many laughs* When I was up in your shitty country in December, the people
>seemed pretty bitter about Chretien's inability to quell the seperatism in
>Quebec.
>
>As for killing leaders, what about that little knife attack, hmm? Lucky
>Chretien's wife is a light sleeper. Too bad the mounties meant to guard him
>aren't. Sheesh, typical canadian competence....
>
Here, write a ration of assasinated Canadian Prime ministers to
the AMERICAN counterpart:


see!

>>>Yes, and you know what? If you idiot canucks would actually learn french
>>>(one of your official languages) or German, you would hear what they say
>>>about you. They laugh at you. As one of my friends from Paris said "Joe,
>>>why do these people wear that stupid leaf?"
>>
>>     A lot more Canadians know French and German than yanks.  Most Canadians
>>speak at least two languages.  You yanks think you can get by with that 
>>language you call "English".
>
>This is absolute nonsense. Est-ce que tu parles francais? Je ne pensais pas...
>
>Fact is, Canadians are even less bilingual than Americans. Me, I am not
>bilingual. I am quadro-lingual. I find alot of Americans like me.
>
>>     More compassion towards other nations, 
>
>Except while torturing somali children to death...
>
>>a more civil society, 
>
>Except for members of the paratroopers, and the entier citizenry after loosing
>yet another Stanley Cup to the US...
>
>>a more
>>consistent foreign policy, 
>
>"Run away, run away"

Canadians have bravely donned the Blue helmet and performed their peacekeeping
duty for the U.N. and layed down their lives for it under the U.N. colours
(many many in Cyprus)
across the world with none of this "Never serve under foreign command"
bullshit.
We posess a true internationalist spirit of loyalty to the U.N. and pay our
dues promptly, and give generous foreign aid. Our U.N. ambassadors have been
great leaders of peace who have proudly represented progress social-justice
and fairness from Lester Pearson to Steven Lewis a man hailed and loved
by people across the developing world.
Ok Ok the somalia thing, every country has criminals and mishaps but to focus
on it is to rediculously overlook the big picture.

>>real commitment to world peace and the environment,
>
>Yeah, that's why you have such strict environmental standards...much stricter
>than California...

And hurray to us for it too!

>>and a much better attitude towards the countries we travel in.
>
>Hey, eh, like, we're not Americans. That means, eh, we can drink Molson in
>public and cause trouble, because no one hates us....
>
>
>>     Oh sure, it is okay for all those inbred yanks to be pretend to be 
>>patriotic (while in reality they are just brainwashed), but God forbid there
>>should be a patriotic Canadian.  
>
>Exactly. Because even if an American patriot is inbred and brainwashed (all
>three of them) he still has something to be proud of. What does a Canadian have
>to be proud of? "Hey, eh, we produced the great Wayne Gretzky...but he went to
>the US...but we have 'Kids in the Hall'...but they've all moved to the
>States..."

A history of peace law and order, The Mounties partolling the west so
it was never wild, a peaceful confederation without bloodshed, no genocide
of native americans after breaking their treaties.

>>Canadian patriotism is at least more sincere,
>>we actually know what we are patriotic about, whereas you yanks are just
>>patriotic to whatever the government tells you.
>
>Yeah. I've seen Canadian patriotism. It usually begins with the sentence "We
>aren't like those Americans because we are XYZ", where XYZ are lies and
>half-truths. We, on the otherhand, are patriotic because we have a proud
>history. We took control of our own country, and bent it into the greatest
>nation the world has ever seen. You're just leating yours float down the
>Saint-Laurence to oblivion and disillusion....

Still rated #1 by the U.N.
HA HA!!!

>-- 
>sig under destruction...
>

Joseph Edward Nemec <nemecj> wrote:
>cs95469@wolfcreek.cs.ualberta.ca (Jon Martin) wrote:
>
>>>Yeah? How? Hockey riots when you losers lose? Bob and Doug MacKenzie?
>>>Drinking alot of Molson and hitting each other?
>>
>>     You really believe this stereotyped image?  
>
>Yes. I've lived in Canada. 

Well I live in the states and am Canadian So I kind of have the reverse
perspective. I find Americans for the most part to be extremely ingnorant,
deluded, and utterly deluvian in all their Christ-bashing puritanical
nonsense. Violence for kids, theaching children that violence is an
apprpriate means for problem solving but nudity, OH NO!
Having lived a number of years in both I can Judge both societies,
and trust me my stay here is certainly temporary.
>>The MacKenzie brothers were _satire_ you idiot.  
>
>Really? Personally, I thought they were a bit more "Kingston, Ontario".
>
>>Which illustrates an important point.  Canadians can
>>laugh at themselves.  
>
>I laugh at them, too.

But your sense of humour is so blunt and moronic.
Americans completely lack a cynical sense of ironic
wit which is what I classify as the pinnacle of intellectual
humour. American black Comedies are SO tame...

>>Not just what they do, but who they are and what this
>>country really stands for.  
>
>That is something else I laugh at.
>
>>We can look at what we are honestly.  And 
>>sometimes we have to laugh.  
>
>Yes, I know the feeling. As I said, when I look at you honestly, I have to
>laugh, too.

If Canada is such a pathetic place then why does the U.N. continue to
rate it as the #1 best quality of life and most developed nation on the
face of the earth while the U.S. languishes as little more than
an extrememly rich third world nation with old fashioned conservative
politics, vast destabilizing differences between rich and poor, murder rates
more than 10 times those in truly developed nations, and the only "Developed"
SMIRK! nation with no universal healthcare (When you say "Socialized medecine
ooohhh, yuck how radical! WE HAVE THE BEST MEDICAL CARE IN THE WORLD" we
in the truly developed world say "HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!")

>>In the states you cannot look at yourself honestly.  
>>Those who do and find something they do not like are considered
>>"un-American".
>
>This is nonsense. Anyone who has seen such films as "Don't drink your juice in
>the hood", etc. knows that we have a very good sense of humor about ourselves.
>We also are able to laugh when other countries insult us, something Canadians
>are incapable of. They have too big a chip on their shoulders.
>
>Hey fuck-face, I am acutally from Canada. I got out because I didn't want to
>have to fuck a moose, like the rest of you. Still, I go back once in awhile,
>and I laugh at your pathetic lives. Not only is there no such thing as Canadian
>culture, there is really no such thing as Canada. Face it, canuck, you are all
>just Americans with no jobs and bad accents

ands safe clean streets no stress over fear of getting bankrupting medical
bills, lower infant mortality rate, and longer life expectancy.

>>>Give me a break. Canada produces nothing. Not music, not film, not art,
>>>not science. Zip.
>>
>>     That shows you have never even bothered to look.  There is more Canadian
>>music, film, art and science around you than you know.
>
>But I'll bet you can't name it.
>
>
>>>It's also Jazz, Blues, great film, great theater, great writers....the
>>>list is endless.
>>
>>     The list is endless.  Yeah right.  I can only think of two great
>>yankee writers; Poe and Hemmingway.
>
>James, Faulkner, Eliot, Pound, Buck, Steinbeck, Whitman...the list is endless.
>

Robertson Davies, Margeret Atwood, Margeret Lawrence, Moreccai Richler...
Maybe not the greatest authors ever but I think we do ok from our
pool of 30 odd million...

>But I am not surprised you can't name more than Hemingway and Poe. I know how
>bad your education system is.
>
>>>No, but the drool does run down the cheek of Jean Chretien. 
>>
>>     Going for the old Kim Cambell tactic, eh?
>
>Me? No. I sort of figure that the best leader for Canada is Bill Clinton.
>
>
>>>By the way, has he lost the country yet?
>>
>>     As popular as ever.  Whereas people continue to shoot at the White House
>>to kill your leader.
>
>*many laughs* When I was up in your shitty country in December, the people
>seemed pretty bitter about Chretien's inability to quell the seperatism in
>Quebec.
>
>As for killing leaders, what about that little knife attack, hmm? Lucky
>Chretien's wife is a light sleeper. Too bad the mounties meant to guard him
>aren't. Sheesh, typical canadian competence....
>
Here, write a ration of assasinated Canadian Prime ministers to
the AMERICAN counterpart:


see!

>>>Yes, and you know what? If you idiot canucks would actually learn french
>>>(one of your official languages) or German, you would hear what they say
>>>about you. They laugh at you. As one of my friends from Paris said "Joe,
>>>why do these people wear that stupid leaf?"
>>
>>     A lot more Canadians know French and German than yanks.  Most Canadians
>>speak at least two languages.  You yanks think you can get by with that 
>>language you call "English".
>
>This is absolute nonsense. Est-ce que tu parles francais? Je ne pensais pas...
>
>Fact is, Canadians are even less bilingual than Americans. Me, I am not
>bilingual. I am quadro-lingual. I find alot of Americans like me.
>
>>     More compassion towards other nations, 
>
>Except while torturing somali children to death...
>
>>a more civil society, 
>
>Except for members of the paratroopers, and the entier citizenry after loosing
>yet another Stanley Cup to the US...
>
>>a more
>>consistent foreign policy, 
>
>"Run away, run away"

Canadians have bravely donned the Blue helmet and performed their peacekeeping
duty for the U.N. and layed down their lives for it under the U.N. colours
(many many in Cyprus)
across the world with none of this "Never serve under foreign command"
bullshit.
We posess a true internationalist spirit of loyalty to the U.N. and pay our
dues promptly, and give generous foreign aid. Our U.N. ambassadors have been
great leaders of peace who have proudly represented progress social-justice
and fairness from Lester Pearson to Steven Lewis a man hailed and loved
by people across the developing world.
Ok Ok the somalia thing, every country has criminals and mishaps but to focus
on it is to rediculously overlook the big picture.

>>real commitment to world peace and the environment,
>
>Yeah, that's why you have such strict environmental standards...much stricter
>than California...

And hurray to us for it too!

>>and a much better attitude towards the countries we travel in.
>
>Hey, eh, like, we're not Americans. That means, eh, we can drink Molson in
>public and cause trouble, because no one hates us....
>
>
>>     Oh sure, it is okay for all those inbred yanks to be pretend to be 
>>patriotic (while in reality they are just brainwashed), but God forbid there
>>should be a patriotic Canadian.  
>
>Exactly. Because even if an American patriot is inbred and brainwashed (all
>three of them) he still has something to be proud of. What does a Canadian have
>to be proud of? "Hey, eh, we produced the great Wayne Gretzky...but he went to
>the US...but we have 'Kids in the Hall'...but they've all moved to the
>States..."

A history of peace law and order, The Mounties partolling the west so
it was never wild, a peaceful confederation without bloodshed, no genocide
of native americans after breaking their treaties.

>>Canadian patriotism is at least more sincere,
>>we actually know what we are patriotic about, whereas you yanks are just
>>patriotic to whatever the government tells you.
>
>Yeah. I've seen Canadian patriotism. It usually begins with the sentence "We
>aren't like those Americans because we are XYZ", where XYZ are lies and
>half-truths. We, on the otherhand, are patriotic because we have a proud
>history. We took control of our own country, and bent it into the greatest
>nation the world has ever seen. You're just leating yours float down the
>Saint-Laurence to oblivion and disillusion....

Still rated #1 by the U.N.
HA HA!!!

>-- 
>sig under destruction...
>

In <4fdd8b$2ef@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> blakkr@ix.netcom.com(Scott A.
Reap) writes: 

>
>    Christians are worse than the americans and french combined.

    Is this it?  Is this the best you are capable of?  I nominate this
shithead for dumbfuck of the month.  Veterans?  Founders?  What
thinkest thou?  
-- 
                                                METALBAG

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       "Never trust someone who can bleed for five days and not die". 
                                                     oneevil1@hooked.net  

blakkr@ix.netcom.com(Scott A. Reap) writes:

>In <4f77gj$28q@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> s9511925@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU
>(The Crazysitter) writes: 
>>
>>
>>what's wrong with WINNIPEG?




>  It's full of poor white trash and Indians,that is what's wrong with
>it.

my ass. you've obviously never been there. i was BORN there. 

it is filled with rich white trash too. and the indians are not that poor.

there isn't any niggers though.

In <4f68nn$7j4@hobbes.cc.uga.edu> Alex Bunker <bunker@dcs.uga.edu>
writes: 
>
>nemecj@mit.edu (Joseph Edward Nemec) wrote:
>>In article <4en4v3$cgo@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, dalel@unixg.ubc.ca (Dale
Lum) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>        Canadian culture is alive and dynamic, and sophisticated far

>>>beyond than what your pitiful American intellect is capable of 
>>>comprehending. 
>>
>>Yeah? How? Hockey riots when you losers lose? Bob and Doug MacKenzie?
>>Drinking alot of Molson and hitting each other?
>>
>>Give me a break. Canada produces nothing. Not music, not film, not
art,
>>not science. Zip.
>>
>>>American culture is fast food, conservative politics, and t.v.
>>>shows like "A Current Affair" and "Oprah Winfrey". 
>>
>>It's also Jazz, Blues, great film, great theater, great
writers....the
>>list is endless.
>>
>CINEMA:
>Canadian cinema is vastly superior to American Cinema.
>Denis Arcand and Atom Egoyan are among the greatest directors
>IMHO Atom Egoyan is the greatest director EVER and people
>will be watching his films hundreds of years in the future and
marvelling
>at them the same way people marvel at the works of Beethoven,
Michaelangelo,
>and Shakespeare today. Hollywood is a pulp factory of Lowest common
denomenator
>shit. Yes there are some good Directors in the U.S.A. but their works
get
>made in SPITE of the dominant culture not because of it. Stanley
Kubrik had
>to run away to England in order to be allowed to exercise the full
extent of
>his genius. Brazil, one of the greatest american movie ever made was
almost
>strangled by its producer who wanted to dumb it down so stupid
semiliterate
>culturally moronified Americans would like it. Terry Gilliam allways
has
>problems anytime he wants to do anything daring. Robert Altmann is
virtually
>a parahia in Hollywood. Independent Cinema is encouraged daring wierd
and
>Avant guard in Canada and generously subsidized. Independent cinema in
the
>USA is neutered by threats from the Christian right and other
primitivists.
>
>Great writers:
>HA! Mordeccai Richler, Robertson Davies, Margeret Lawrence, Margeret
Atwood
>come to mind, if you take into account that Canada has allways had
>a population 1/10 that of the USA we rate quite well.
>ART:
>The Group of 7 kicked the butt of all their contemporary American
artists.
>
>Science:
>HA! HA! HA! HA! 
>John Polanyi, Gerhardt Herzberg, Bert Brockhouse, all won the Nobel
Prize
>thats 3 in the last 25 years for a country with 30- million
inhabitants!
>If you have any friends with Diabetes they owe their life to two
Canadians.
>
>>>Hey, when you 
>>>vacantly stare at Rush Limbaugh on tv in that characteristically 
>>>American way, does your jaw hang open, and drool run down your
cheek?  
>>>Just wondering.
>>
>>No, but the drool does run down the cheek of Jean Chretien. 
>
>Jean Chretien Is a very intelligent man born with a neurological
disorder.
>This is a Cheap Shot.
>
>>By the way, has he lost the country yet?
>>
>>>        Not exactly.  Canadians carry maple leaves when travelling 
>>>because they don't want to be mistaken for Americans.  U.S. foreign 
>>>policy doesn't exactly endear people in, say, Central or South
America to 
>>>Americans.  
>>
>>Yes, and you know what? If you idiot canucks would actually learn
french
>>(one of your official languages) or German, you would hear what they
say
>>about you. They laugh at you. As one of my friends from Paris said
"Joe,
>>why do these people wear that stupid leaf?"
>>
>>"They don't want to be mistaken for Americans."
>>
>>"But that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! I mean, Americans
have
>>power. Canadians are just Americans with even less culture and
nothing."
>>
>Ignorant people are everywhere SO?
>>>----
>>>
>>>Dale.  (A proud Canadian)
>>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Nothing more pathetic...
>>
>>--
>>.sig under destruction...
>
You my small brained northern cousin had better grow up.  Because your
argument sounds a lot like ones I had in kindergaten  my dad could beat
up your dad.  There are stupid dumbfuck inbred hicks everywhere and you
have just proved that Canada has one more than we knew about before. 
The biggest problem with Canadians is thier inferiority complex.  
                         c-ya eh
                              

In article <4feq04$924@cloner2.ix.netcom.com>, metalbag@ix.netcom.com(Tom
Beam ) wrote:

> >    Christians are worse than the americans and french combined.
 
>     Is this it?  Is this the best you are capable of?  I nominate this
> shithead for dumbfuck of the month.  Veterans?  Founders?  What
> thinkest thou?  

I don't know, really. He's got some hard competition from Dan "I'm a smart
fratboy" Brodsky, among others... Only time will tell...

/Martin
"When the sirens wail
and the lights flash blue
my Vision Thing come 
slamming through..."
A Eldritch

In <4f86p9$187u@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> cs95469@wolfcreek.cs.ualberta.ca
(Jon Martin) writes: 
>
>Ken Ehrett <ehrettk@atc.ameritel.net> writes:
>
>>Because the UN is filled with a bunch of third world straw hut trash
who 
>>live high on our dime and are forced to wipe their butts with sticks 
>>whenever they go back home for visits because they can't even afford 
>>toilet paper.  We own the fucking UN and we'll decide how things are 
>>going to be done.  Whenever you can afford to pay most of the bills
of 
>>those limo riding parasites (not likely ever) then you can call the 
>>shots.  Until then shut the fuck up and stay in the back seat.
>
>     Earth to Ken:  the United States has the largest outstanding debt
to the
>United Nations.  You owe them big time.  Apparently you cannot afford
to pay
>them back (especially considering yankland is about to go bankrupt). 
Now 
>what were you saying?
>-- 
>Serve Gonk.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~
>Jon Martin  cs95469@wolfcreek.cs.ualberta.ca 
http://www.ualberta.ca/~jomartin/
>Entering Department of Computing Science at University of Alberta.
Ya we might go bankrupt but who the hell is gonna have the guts to try
and collect we would
A>  Be able to nuke the fuke out of them
B>  Smart bomb and send in the marines
C>  Manipulate them like we have the rest of the world

P.S.  Cananda is going down just as fast as the U.S.  you can't
possibly think your outhouse of a country has any use except for a good
place to go fishing.

In article <4feo5o$j06@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>,
s9511925@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU (The Crazysitter) wrote:

> my ass. you've obviously never been there. 

He's obviously never been to your ass? How interesting.

> i was BORN there. 

In your ass? Disgusting, even for a roofucker.
 
> it is filled with rich white trash too. and the indians are not that poor.

> there isn't any niggers though.

Can we say "racist fuckhead"? I thought so.

/Martin
"When the sirens wail
and the lights flash blue
my Vision Thing come 
slamming through..."
A Eldritch

In <Martin.Kjellstrand-0902961157370001@neon.oc.chalmers.se>
Martin.Kjellstrand@oc.chalmers.se (Martin Kjellstrand) writes: 
>
>In article <4feq04$924@cloner2.ix.netcom.com>,
metalbag@ix.netcom.com(Tom
>Beam ) wrote:
>
>> >    Christians are worse than the americans and french combined.
> 
>>     Is this it?  Is this the best you are capable of?  I nominate
this
>> shithead for dumbfuck of the month.  Veterans?  Founders?  What
>> thinkest thou?  
>
>I don't know, really. He's got some hard competition from Dan "I'm a
smart
>fratboy" Brodsky, among others... Only time will tell...

    Split it then.  Hey spew, wanna be the judge at the end of the
month?

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Jon Martin wrote:
> 
> Ken Ehrett <ehrettk@atc.ameritel.net> writes:
> 
> >Because the UN is filled with a bunch of third world straw hut trash who
> >live high on our dime and are forced to wipe their butts with sticks
> >whenever they go back home for visits because they can't even afford
> >toilet paper.  We own the fucking UN and we'll decide how things are
> >going to be done.  Whenever you can afford to pay most of the bills of
> >those limo riding parasites (not likely ever) then you can call the
> >shots.  Until then shut the fuck up and stay in the back seat.
> 
>      Earth to Ken:  the United States has the largest outstanding debt to the
> United Nations.  You owe them big time.  Apparently you cannot afford to pay
> them back (especially considering yankland is about to go bankrupt).  Now
> what were you saying?
> --
> Serve Gonk.
> There is a difference between not being able to pay and not wanting to 
pay.  We aren't getting our money's worth from all that third world 
refuse and until they start obeying properly as is their station then 
they are going to have to figure out how to finance their own limos and 
indoor plumbing which is not available in the shitholes they call home.

In article <311766CF.1959@onramp.net>, oden@onramp.net says...
>
>Talon(dumbass)Hawk wrote:
>> 
>> because the X-Files is based in  DC, you 
>> think it's american, right? WRONG! I've been to
>> many-a-filmings of it. Pamela Anderson 
>> (Star of ButtWatch) is canadian
>
>
>Oooooooh!
>
>All hail the **culture** of cana-duh!
>Boy, you canadiacs sure have a *lot* to be proud of!
>
>You frozen, mother fuckers are pathetic!
>-- 
>
>
>O D E N
>
>Still waiting for **one** original canadian
>thought/ acomplishment / reason for existance.

Ohh, I feel so jealous of the culture that produces brilliance like baywatch I 
can hardly stand it. 

In article <4f8cns$c91@csu-b.csuohio.edu>, drsoran@ni.cba.csuohio.edu says...
>
>Jon Martin (cs95469@wolfcreek.cs.ualberta.ca) wrote:
>: nemecj@mit.edu (Joseph Edward Nemec) writes:
>: >Yeah? How? Hockey riots when you losers lose? Bob and Doug MacKenzie?
>: >Drinking alot of Molson and hitting each other?
>
>:      You really believe this stereotyped image?  The MacKenzie brothers 
were
>: _satire_ you idiot.  Which illustrates an important point.  Canadians can
>: laugh at themselves.  Not just what they do, but who they are and what this
>: country really stands for.  We can look at what we are honestly.  And 
>
>        Hell, they might as well laugh at themselves, everyone else 
>does.  As for Canada's armed forces.. I seriously have trouble believing 
>that they could conquer L.A. much less the entire nation.
>
>: >Give me a break. Canada produces nothing. Not music, not film, not art,
>: >not science. Zip.
>
>:      That shows you have never even bothered to look.  There is more 
Canadian
>: music, film, art and science around you than you know.
>
>        Yea Joe-Bob.. we're forgetzing dat lotz a WWF wrastlers are 
>Canadian too.. 
>
>: >It's also Jazz, Blues, great film, great theater, great writers....the
>: >list is endless.
>
>:      The list is endless.  Yeah right.  I can only think of two great
>: yankee writers; Poe and Hemmingway.
>
>        I guess Canadians don't read much either.. try reading a good 
>book one day instead of watching a hockey game..
>
>: >By the way, has he lost the country yet?
>
>:      As popular as ever.  Whereas people continue to shoot at the White 
House
>: to kill your leader.
>
>        Hmm.. when you're right you're right I suppose.. I'm not sure if 
>you're trying to say Canada has better insane marksmen than we do or 
>whether you just love your Prime Minister.
>
>: >Yes, and you know what? If you idiot canucks would actually learn french
>: >(one of your official languages) or German, you would hear what they say
>: >about you. They laugh at you. As one of my friends from Paris said "Joe,
>: >why do these people wear that stupid leaf?"
>
>:      A lot more Canadians know French and German than yanks.  Most 
Canadians
>: speak at least two languages.  You yanks think you can get by with that 
>: language you call "English".
>
>        Well hell, can't blame us for that.. check out the UK.. I can 
>just see the limeys now trying to come up with an excuse..
>
>: >"But that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard! I mean, Americans have
>: >power. Canadians are just Americans with even less culture and nothing."
>
>:      More compassion towards other nations, a more civil society, a more
>: consistent foreign policy, real commitment to world peace and the 
environment,
>: and a much better attitude towards the countries we travel in.
>
>        Translation:
>        "We try to walk softly and carry a big change purse.  If anyone 
>gets mad at us we give them money and plead with them not to be pissed at 
>us anymore."
>
>:      Oh sure, it is okay for all those inbred yanks to be pretend to be 
>: patriotic (while in reality they are just brainwashed), but God forbid 
there
>: should be a patriotic Canadian.  Canadian patriotism is at least more 
sincere,
>: we actually know what we are patriotic about, whereas you yanks are just
>: patriotic to whatever the government tells you.
>
>        Patriotic Canadians.. hahahaha
>
>-Actually most Canadians are quite patriotic, we're just smart enough not to 
have to shoot each other to prove it. 

In article <4feo5o$j06@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>,
s9511925@minyos.its.rmit.EDU.AU (The Crazysitter) wrote:


>my ass. you've obviously never been there. i was BORN there. 

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

--
.sig under destruction...

>> if you take into account that Canada has allways had
>> a population 1/10 that of the USA we rate quite well.
>
>Actually it's more like 1/8th canucklehead....
>....1/10th is how much a canadiac dollar is worth 
>compared to $US.

Funny, moron...do you think that its a bad thing that we have only one 
1/10th(it is 1/10th approx. btw) of the population of the u.s.?

How about 1/10th the crime and ignorant morons like yourself? Sounds pretty 
damn good to me.


]EnigmA[

P.S. Canada rules...Americans drool

i am not racist. i hate all races equal.

Jason M Retzlaff <mithrand@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

[ 120 lines of followed-up text deleted --  Silly 'merican. ]

}The biggest problem with Canadians is thier inferiority complex.  
}                         c-ya eh

Quit picking on us or I'll tell our country's leader on you.

- Joe
-- 
 "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot!" -- M. Everingham
                       http://www.ee.umanitoba.ca/~djc/
D. Joseph Creighton       \ Sr. Programmer, DB Support:  Administrative Systems
Joe_Creighton@UManitoba.CA \ University of Manitoba  Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <311CC9AE.4248@atc.ameritel.net>,
   Ken Ehrett <ehrettk@atc.ameritel.net> wrote:
>Jon Martin wrote:
>> 
>> Ken Ehrett <ehrettk@atc.ameritel.net> writes:
>> 
>> >Because the UN is filled with a bunch of third world straw hut trash who
>> >live high on our dime and are forced to wipe their butts with sticks
>> >whenever they go back home for visits because they can't even afford
>> >toilet paper.  We own the fucking UN and we'll decide how things are
>> >going to be done.  Whenever you can afford to pay most of the bills of
>> >those limo riding parasites (not likely ever) then you can call the
>> >shots.  Until then shut the fuck up and stay in the back seat.
>> 
>>      Earth to Ken:  the United States has the largest outstanding debt to 
the
>> United Nations.  You owe them big time.  Apparently you cannot afford to 
pay
>> them back (especially considering yankland is about to go bankrupt).  Now
>> what were you saying?
>> --
>> Serve Gonk.
>> There is a difference between not being able to pay and not wanting to 
>pay.  We aren't getting our money's worth from all that third world 
>refuse and until they start obeying properly as is their station then 
>they are going to have to figure out how to finance their own limos and 
>indoor plumbing which is not available in the shitholes they call home.
>
And here we have a perfect example of American "intelligence".

You all still haven't figured out that you aren't all that big of deal. Just 
one tiny country in a world full of bigger and better ones.

Remember that for your own sake.

djc@cc.umanitoba.ca (D. Joseph Creighton) wrote:

Canada means nothing. A bunch of feeble-minded lickers of the queen
mother's festering bottom. Absolutely insignificant as a world
economic or military power, they hide behind the power and strength of
the U.S. whenever threatened.

Kelly Ray Caton, Senior Fellow
The Velocity Institute
Velocitas, Veritas, Validus

mithrand@ix.netcom.com(Jason M Retzlaff) wrote:


Canadian *culture*!?!?!?!
It must be very subtle, indeed. Dipshit hockey playing ear-muffed hose
heads. What a culture, what a culture. Sucking down any trash that
comes out of California, and invading our southern beaches with their
puffy, smelly pink cadavers.
Culture? Canada doesn't have a damn thing they didn't get from
someplace else- usually the U.S., but sometimes from the nasally
impaired french.
Oh, wait; I get it! Culture! Yes, as in cheese culture. Cultures that
one might find in a petrie dish. Right. Sorry!


Kelly Ray Caton, Senior Fellow
The Velocity Institute
Velocitas, Veritas, Validus