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In article <CPLS13-0409952134330001@chi041.wwa.com>,
Steven Cohn <CPLS13@email.mot.com> wrote:
>My kids; school is geeting a computer lab (donation) consisting of 24 Dell
>Petiums.  Their current plan is to put modems on 3 of them to use for
>Internet connection, but this does not seem the best way to me.  Can
>someone suggest a couple of alternatives to allow complete access to the
>net for all the machines.  I don't know the complete details yet, buut I
>assume all the machines will be on some sort of Lan.

MCSNet can offer your school a dedicated circuit connection to the Internet
which will put all machines on the LAN online all the time.

Please give us a holler if you're interested; costs depend on the speed of
the circuit requested.

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Just wondering....

Nice hack, but no need to start a flame war (unless it can't be avoided
<g>).

karl@Mcs.Net (Karl Denninger) wrote:
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>MCSNet can offer your school a dedicated circuit connection to the Internet
>which will put all machines on the LAN online all the time.

>Please give us a holler if you're interested; costs depend on the speed of
>the circuit requested.

And when you holler, you might ask why so many former MCSNetters are moving
here and to other local isp's....

--Jim Hargrove

In article <42hr94$osv@nntp.interaccess.com>,
movable articles <wix@interaccess.com> wrote:
>Steven Cohn (CPLS13@email.mot.com) wrote:
>: My kids; school is geeting a computer lab (donation) consisting of 24 Dell
>: Petiums.  Their current plan is to put modems on 3 of them to use for
>: Internet connection, but this does not seem the best way to me.  Can
>: someone suggest a couple of alternatives to allow complete access to the
>: net for all the machines.  I don't know the complete details yet, buut I
>: assume all the machines will be on some sort of Lan.
>
>This appears to be an opportunity for one of those Internet service
>providers, who keep talking about how much they are "giving back" to
>the community, to jump in and donate the means to connect and the
>service.  What a great public relations coup that would be for whoever
>gets there first.  Then they could shut-up their detractors by pointing
>to this public service when the next debate over who-is-giving-the-most
>begins.  With all the hype about the Internet on television these days,
>it might even make the six-o'clock news and it would probably be a tax
>writeoff.  Then there would be all those kids who would grow up knowing
>and loving their ISP.
>
>David

We have *always* been willing to talk to school districts and libraries
about reduced-rate plans, some included no direct cost for those items which
we supply, to get connected.

But the school or library has to make the first move.  We have found that
without initiative on the local level, any such thing is just another
dust-gatherer in the corner.  You need an *involved* set of people at the
local level, and this means getting in there and being aggressive.

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Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity
Modem: [+1 312 248-0900]     | (shell, PPP, SLIP, leased) in Chicagoland
Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1]     | 7 Chicagoland POPs, ISDN, 28.8, much more
Fax: [+1 312 248-9865]       | Email to "info@mcs.net" WWW: http://www.mcs.net
ISDN - Get it here TODAY!    | Home of Chicago's *Three STAR A* Clarinet feed!

Steven Cohn (CPLS13@email.mot.com) wrote:
: My kids; school is geeting a computer lab (donation) consisting of 24 Dell
: Petiums.  Their current plan is to put modems on 3 of them to use for
: Internet connection, but this does not seem the best way to me.  Can
: someone suggest a couple of alternatives to allow complete access to the
: net for all the machines.  I don't know the complete details yet, buut I
: assume all the machines will be on some sort of Lan.

This appears to be an opportunity for one of those Internet service
providers, who keep talking about how much they are "giving back" to
the community, to jump in and donate the means to connect and the
service.  What a great public relations coup that would be for whoever
gets there first.  Then they could shut-up their detractors by pointing
to this public service when the next debate over who-is-giving-the-most
begins.  With all the hype about the Internet on television these days,
it might even make the six-o'clock news and it would probably be a tax
writeoff.  Then there would be all those kids who would grow up knowing
and loving their ISP.

David

Actually, though I hate to admit it Karl is right. Free services are
rarely appropiately utilized unless there is an active core group
involved. Just because something is free doesn't mean it will be used.
Usually it won't without active people involved. I learend this when I
was doing too many years of social work.

By the way, What is Karl doing here on WWA anyway. Doesn't he have a
business to run?

Rich Jezioro



karl@Mcs.Net (Karl Denninger) wrote:

>In article <42hr94$osv@nntp.interaccess.com>,
>movable articles <wix@interaccess.com> wrote:
>>Steven Cohn (CPLS13@email.mot.com) wrote:
>>: My kids; school is geeting a computer lab (donation) consisting of 24 Dell
>>: Petiums.  Their current plan is to put modems on 3 of them to use for
>>: Internet connection, but this does not seem the best way to me.  Can
>>: someone suggest a couple of alternatives to allow complete access to the
>>: net for all the machines.  I don't know the complete details yet, buut I
>>: assume all the machines will be on some sort of Lan.
>>
>>This appears to be an opportunity for one of those Internet service
>>providers, who keep talking about how much they are "giving back" to
>>the community, to jump in and donate the means to connect and the
>>service.  What a great public relations coup that would be for whoever
>>gets there first.  Then they could shut-up their detractors by pointing
>>to this public service when the next debate over who-is-giving-the-most
>>begins.  With all the hype about the Internet on television these days,
>>it might even make the six-o'clock news and it would probably be a tax
>>writeoff.  Then there would be all those kids who would grow up knowing
>>and loving their ISP.
>>
>>David

>We have *always* been willing to talk to school districts and libraries
>about reduced-rate plans, some included no direct cost for those items which
>we supply, to get connected.

>But the school or library has to make the first move.  We have found that
>without initiative on the local level, any such thing is just another
>dust-gatherer in the corner.  You need an *involved* set of people at the
>local level, and this means getting in there and being aggressive.

>--
>--
>Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity
>Modem: [+1 312 248-0900]     | (shell, PPP, SLIP, leased) in Chicagoland
>Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1]     | 7 Chicagoland POPs, ISDN, 28.8, much more
>Fax: [+1 312 248-9865]       | Email to "info@mcs.net" WWW: http://www.mcs.net
>ISDN - Get it here TODAY!    | Home of Chicago's *Three STAR A* Clarinet feed!

CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven Cohn) wrote:

>Can someone suggest a couple of alternatives to allow complete access to the
>net for all the machines.  I don't know the complete details yet, buut I
>assume all the machines will be on some sort of Lan.

Steve,

One option is a product called "Instant Internet" manufactured by
Performance Technology.  It is a box that you attach to your
Novell/Windows LAN that allows everyone on the LAN to make a TCP/IP
connection to an Internet provider.  It supposedly takes only 15
minutes to install.  After installation, all you need to do is put
your winsock applications on each workstation that needs access.  A
28,800 modem is built into the Instant Internet, but you can plug in
an external ISDN terminal adapter if you want to go that route.

The box retails at about $3500.  One local distributer is Computer
Networking Group, Inc.  One of their sales people is Alan Casas.  His
phone number is (312) 226-0495 ext. 22.  I talked to them at the
recent Windows World expo.

To learn more, there is an article in the July 1995 issue of "Byte"
titled "Short-Order Internet Access" (p. 139) which reviews Instant
Internet and one other product.

How did you get all those Dell's donated?

Jeff Stenger
MIS Coordinator
Lawrence Hall Youth Services
Chicago, Illinois
sting@interaccess.com

In article <42j8lu$nlj@sake.wwa.com>, richjez@wwa.com (Rich Jezioro) wrote:

> Actually, though I hate to admit it Karl is right. Free services are
> rarely appropiately utilized unless there is an active core group
> involved. Just because something is free doesn't mean it will be used.
> Usually it won't without active people involved. I learend this when I
> was doing too many years of social work.
> 
> By the way, What is Karl doing here on WWA anyway. Doesn't he have a
> business to run?
> 
> Rich Jezioro
> 

Good question, but better yet, why no answer from WWA people?  Also, what
I am looking for at this point is the technical solutions, ie terminal
server, or some software for a PC to act as a gate, etc.

 
> 
> karl@Mcs.Net (Karl Denninger) wrote:
> 
> >In article <42hr94$osv@nntp.interaccess.com>,
> >movable articles <wix@interaccess.com> wrote:
> >>Steven Cohn (CPLS13@email.mot.com) wrote:
> >>: My kids; school is geeting a computer lab (donation) consisting of 24 Dell
> >>: Petiums.  Their current plan is to put modems on 3 of them to use for
> >>: Internet connection, but this does not seem the best way to me.  Can
> >>: someone suggest a couple of alternatives to allow complete access to the
> >>: net for all the machines.  I don't know the complete details yet, buut I
> >>: assume all the machines will be on some sort of Lan.
> >>
> >>This appears to be an opportunity for one of those Internet service
> >>providers, who keep talking about how much they are "giving back" to
> >>the community, to jump in and donate the means to connect and the
> >>service.  What a great public relations coup that would be for whoever
> >>gets there first.  Then they could shut-up their detractors by pointing
> >>to this public service when the next debate over who-is-giving-the-most
> >>begins.  With all the hype about the Internet on television these days,
> >>it might even make the six-o'clock news and it would probably be a tax
> >>writeoff.  Then there would be all those kids who would grow up knowing
> >>and loving their ISP.
> >>
> >>David
> 
> >We have *always* been willing to talk to school districts and libraries
> >about reduced-rate plans, some included no direct cost for those items which
> >we supply, to get connected.
> 
> >But the school or library has to make the first move.  We have found that
> >without initiative on the local level, any such thing is just another
> >dust-gatherer in the corner.  You need an *involved* set of people at the
> >local level, and this means getting in there and being aggressive.
> 
> >--
> >--
> >Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity
> >Modem: [+1 312 248-0900]     | (shell, PPP, SLIP, leased) in Chicagoland
> >Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1]     | 7 Chicagoland POPs, ISDN, 28.8, much more
> >Fax: [+1 312 248-9865]       | Email to "info@mcs.net" WWW:
http://www.mcs.net
> >ISDN - Get it here TODAY!    | Home of Chicago's *Three STAR A*
Clarinet feed!

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+ Steven Cohn                                                    +
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wix@thymaster.interaccess.com (movable articles) wrote:

>Steven Cohn (CPLS13@email.mot.com) wrote:
>: My kids; school is geeting a computer lab (donation) consisting of 24 Dell
>: Petiums.  Their current plan is to put modems on 3 of them to use for
>: Internet connection, but this does not seem the best way to me.  Can
>: someone suggest a couple of alternatives to allow complete access to the
>: net for all the machines.  I don't know the complete details yet, buut I
>: assume all the machines will be on some sort of Lan.

>This appears to be an opportunity for one of those Internet service
>providers, who keep talking about how much they are "giving back" to
>the community, to jump in and donate the means to connect and the
>service.  What a great public relations coup that would be for whoever
>gets there first.  Then they could shut-up their detractors by pointing
>to this public service when the next debate over who-is-giving-the-most
>begins.  With all the hype about the Internet on television these days,
>it might even make the six-o'clock news and it would probably be a tax
>writeoff.  Then there would be all those kids who would grow up knowing
>and loving their ISP.

>David

Our Highschool, Niles West is currently hooked up to the net through
nslsilus.org, which goes through mcs.com, We are however setting up
our own Unix Server at the present time.  I am the president of this
club, and I am sure our club would be able to stop by and try to help
you guys out for a very small donation.. Email if interested
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Skokie, Il     http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~pvranas/pvranas.html
pvranas@ripco.com 	Nick-Name: BoyzIIMen
To contact me check #nileswest on IRC or on the Internet Phone
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: >Can someone suggest a couple of alternatives to allow complete access to the
: >net for all the machines.  I don't know the complete details yet, but I
: >assume all the machines will be on some sort of Lan.

: Steve,

: One option is a product called "Instant Internet" manufactured by
: Performance Technology.  It is a box that you attach to your
: Novell/Windows LAN that allows everyone on the LAN to make a TCP/IP
: connection to an Internet provider.  It supposedly takes only 15
: minutes to install.  After installation, all you need to do is put
: your winsock applications on each workstation that needs access.  A
: 28,800 modem is built into the Instant Internet, but you can plug in
: an external ISDN terminal adapter if you want to go that route.

: The box retails at about $3500.  One local distributer is Computer
: Networking Group, Inc.  One of their sales people is Alan Casas.  His
: phone number is (312) 226-0495 ext. 22.  I talked to them at the
: recent Windows World expo.

: To learn more, there is an article in the July 1995 issue of "Byte"
: titled "Short-Order Internet Access" (p. 139) which reviews Instant
: Internet and one other product.

: How did you get all those Dell's donated?

	As an option to "Instant Internet" you can get a Novell product
	Unixware which is Novell's version of UNIX.  It only costs
	$425 and is basically self-installing.  The great thing about it,
	is that it works with your existing netware system and can be
	connected to your ISP via SLIP/PPP(dial-up) or via leased line
	as well.  This can be run on a higher end 386(which I dont recommend)
	but even with a  high-end 486 you are going to spend a lot less than
	$3500 for a simple UNIX server.

David Bauman
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Steven Cohn (CPLS13@email.mot.com) wrote:
: My kids; school is geeting a computer lab (donation) consisting of 24 Dell
: Petiums.  Their current plan is to put modems on 3 of them to use for
: Internet connection, but this does not seem the best way to me.  Can
: someone suggest a couple of alternatives to allow complete access to the
: net for all the machines.  I don't know the complete details yet, buut I
: assume all the machines will be on some sort of Lan.

	InterGlobal Communications is currently working with a handful
	of public and private schools for Internet connectivity.  
	Unfortunately we cannot donate such services, but we can offer
	them at a reduced rate.  It sounds like you will have a great
	network for the kids and you can go about getting Internet
	connectivity a few different ways.  You can use the 3 modems for
	to have 3 separate computers connected via SLIP or PPP.  What I 
	suggest is setting up a UNIX server to connect via dedicated
	dial-up or leased line so all nodes on your LAN can have Internet
	access.  The schools that we work with have always been concerned
	about profane or sexual material on the Internet.  We work with
	a software company that produces a product that will filter out
	any profane or sexually explicit material from being displayed
	on the individual's terminal.  Please feel free to contact me
	to discuss this further. Good luck with your setup.

David Bauman
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 			  InterGlobal Communications
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
voice: 708.298.9933 	       == <WWW design, programming, implementation>	
fax:   708.298.1473	       == <3 Dial-up locations around Chicagoland>
modem: 708.298.1120            == <Competitive pricing, great customer service
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
		  8616 W. Golf Road Suite 301 Niles, IL 60714