🚀 go-pugleaf

although you should have your bios
set to auto...to detect the drive.
even if it's not set in the bios...your operating system should still
detect the drive.
if you have not yet run fdisk and created partitions, it will not show up
so you need to do that and be sure that you partition your *second* drive!

--

Philo

website: www.plazaearth.com/philo

case <case.sinclair@imvs.sa.gov.au> wrote in message
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> I am having difficulty installing a second hard drive into
> my Win98 SE PC that was used in another machine.

> I installed the drive using a 5.5 inch bay removable
> rack that I bought so it could be easily removed.

>  I installed the drive and windows seemed to recognise it and
> asked me to reboot due to configuration of new hardware,

Thats unusual with a hard drive. Maybe its the
removable rack that it recognised as new hardware.

> however now when booted it doesn't show
> up as part of the system in My computer.

> Do I need to use bios settings to let the system know what
> I have installed, or should it have automatically detect it?

It would normally detect a drive added automatically
if the drive type is set to AUTO AUTO in the cmos.

Is the drive showing up on the black bios screen at boot time ?
You can pause that screen using the Pause key with most systems.

> Any help would be greatly appreciated, as there are many pages
> dealing with installing and formatting a drive, but apparently none
> dealing with installing without formatting on the web.

Basically the drive should just show up in
Explorer etc if its partitioned and formatted.

And should be visible on the black bios screen at boot time too.

For a start U don't tell us what the "Other Machine" is. It could be that
the hard drive was formatted as NTFS or as a Linux Partition, or OS2... who
knows?

Make it easy on yourself. Get the 98 boot disk, bootup the PC, and run
fdisk. Then U will know what the hard disk is partitioned as.

Keep in mind that Win98 can only see Fat and Fat32 partitions.

Good luck

Col


"case" <case.sinclair@imvs.sa.gov.au> wrote in message
news:3ce0549d$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
> Hello all,
>  I am having difficulty installing a second hard drive into my Win98 SE PC
> that was
> used in another machine.
> I installed the drive using a 5.5 inch bay removable rack  that I bought
so
> it could be easily removed.
>  I installed the drive and windows seemed to recognise it and asked me to
> reboot due to configuration of new hardware, however now when booted it
> doesn't show up as part of the system in My computer.
>
> Do I need to use bios settings to let the system know what I have
installed,
> or should it have automatically detect it?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated, as there are many pages dealing
with
> installing and formatting a drive, but apparently none dealing with
> installing without formatting on the web.
>
> hope someone can help.
>
> thanks
> Case
>
>
>
>

you are installing the second HDD at your current system.

so, your Fixed HDD possible is primary or secondary drive. it's doesn't
matter it's pri or second if only one drive.

and now you have 2 drive, you might wanted to boot from the fixed HDD, make
sure you set the jumper become primary, and your mobile HDD is secondary.

then to confrim at cmos, do auto detect HDD you will see the capacity of 2
drives.





"case" <case.sinclair@imvs.sa.gov.au> wrote in message
news:3ce0549d$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
> Hello all,
>  I am having difficulty installing a second hard drive into my Win98 SE PC
> that was
> used in another machine.
> I installed the drive using a 5.5 inch bay removable rack  that I bought
so
> it could be easily removed.
>  I installed the drive and windows seemed to recognise it and asked me to
> reboot due to configuration of new hardware, however now when booted it
> doesn't show up as part of the system in My computer.
>
> Do I need to use bios settings to let the system know what I have
installed,
> or should it have automatically detect it?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated, as there are many pages dealing
with
> installing and formatting a drive, but apparently none dealing with
> installing without formatting on the web.
>
> hope someone can help.
>
> thanks
> Case
>
>
>
>

One last point, check the the power and IDE connections of your caddy to the
MB/power supply and then check the connections of the IDE and power from
your drive to the caddy. Or maybe you should do it the other way round.
Anyway I once was puzzled as to why windows didn't detect my second drive
only to find that the IDE cable wasn't pushed in properly.

Alex


"case" <case.sinclair@imvs.sa.gov.au> wrote in message
news:3ce0549d$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
> Hello all,
>  I am having difficulty installing a second hard drive into my Win98 SE PC
> that was
> used in another machine.
> I installed the drive using a 5.5 inch bay removable rack  that I bought
so
> it could be easily removed.
>  I installed the drive and windows seemed to recognise it and asked me to
> reboot due to configuration of new hardware, however now when booted it
> doesn't show up as part of the system in My computer.
>
> Do I need to use bios settings to let the system know what I have
installed,
> or should it have automatically detect it?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated, as there are many pages dealing
with
> installing and formatting a drive, but apparently none dealing with
> installing without formatting on the web.
>
> hope someone can help.
>
> thanks
> Case
>
>
>
>

INCORRECT!
Operating systems DO NOT just "see" IDE hard drives that have not been
detected by BIOS or configured in BIOS.

Very simple; if the IDE hard drive ain't listed in the BIOS table, it ain't
there as far as the OS is concerned.

The exception is SCSI hard drives, in which case the SCSI card must be able
to access and recognize the drive.


"Philo" <philo@plazaearth.com> wrote in message
news:ue0mqae7n2dede@corp.supernews.com...
> although you should have your bios
> set to auto...to detect the drive.
> even if it's not set in the bios...your operating system should still
> detect the drive.
> if you have not yet run fdisk and created partitions, it will not show up
> so you need to do that and be sure that you partition your *second* drive!
>
> --
>
> Philo
>
> website: www.plazaearth.com/philo
>
>

Mark B. <some@othertime.org> wrote in message
news:JSbE8.77044$qU1.18400816@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com...

> INCORRECT!

Fraid not.

> Operating systems DO NOT just "see" IDE hard drives that
> have not been detected by BIOS or configured in BIOS.

Fraid so. Thats been true for years now,
particularly with Win9x and the NT derivatives.

> Very simple; if the IDE hard drive ain't listed in the
> BIOS table, it ain't there as far as the OS is concerned.

Fraid so. Win9x and the NT derivatives particularly
scan for drives themselves, so it doesnt matter if the
bios doesnt see them when the drive isnt the boot drive.

> The exception is SCSI hard drives, in which case the SCSI
> card must be able to access and recognize the drive.

Fraid its much more complicated than you claim.


> Philo <philo@plazaearth.com> wrote

>> although you should have your bios
>> set to auto...to detect the drive.
>> even if it's not set in the bios...your operating
>> system should still detect the drive.
>> if you have not yet run fdisk and created partitions, it will not show up
>> so you need to do that and be sure that you partition your *second* drive!

I STAND CORRECTED.

I run Win98 from IDE1, and lots of other things on removable drives on IDE2,
so I tend to only run with one channel on at a time.

Here's what I did: I turned the IDE2 on and let the computer boot into 98.
When I looked in My Computer, the hard drive on IDE2 was not listed and did
not show up until I ran the add/remove hardware applet. (in which case it
showed up as G: first, then E: after subsequent reboots.)

If 98 did in fact "scan", it failed to detect the drive. When "forced" to
look for other hardware though, it came up with the additional drive.

You were right, I was wrong. And I learned something. (Not the least of
which is not to SHOUT when I disagree. My apologies.)


"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:abrkmc$kpak8$1@ID-69072.news.dfncis.de...
>
> Mark B. <some@othertime.org> wrote in message
> news:JSbE8.77044$qU1.18400816@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com...
>
> > INCORRECT!
>
> Fraid not.
>
> > Operating systems DO NOT just "see" IDE hard drives that
> > have not been detected by BIOS or configured in BIOS.
>
> Fraid so. Thats been true for years now,
> particularly with Win9x and the NT derivatives.
>
> > Very simple; if the IDE hard drive ain't listed in the
> > BIOS table, it ain't there as far as the OS is concerned.
>
> Fraid so. Win9x and the NT derivatives particularly
> scan for drives themselves, so it doesnt matter if the
> bios doesnt see them when the drive isnt the boot drive.
>
> > The exception is SCSI hard drives, in which case the SCSI
> > card must be able to access and recognize the drive.
>
> Fraid its much more complicated than you claim.
>
>
> > Philo <philo@plazaearth.com> wrote
>
> >> although you should have your bios
> >> set to auto...to detect the drive.
> >> even if it's not set in the bios...your operating
> >> system should still detect the drive.
> >> if you have not yet run fdisk and created partitions, it will not show
up
> >> so you need to do that and be sure that you partition your *second*
drive!
>
>
>

I have founf out that the computer it was used in was running
Windows NT -FS (?)

he claims it might be an issue in detecting the file system, but shouldnt
the hard rive be able to be "Seen" at least in the system.

I may try a Win 2000, XP or NT system and see if it recognises it.



--
Case

See that the problem,
I sent the hard drive to a firedn to get a whole swag of material I really
need...otherwise I have to send it back,
SO Ill get the data off via XP then re-foprmat for windows98,

thats do-able am I right?


Thanks for the info Rod and others,

 Case
Adelaide

case <case.sinclair@imvs.sa.gov.au> wrote in
message news:3ce1ad57$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...

> I have founf out that the computer it was
> used in was running Windows NT -FS (?)

> he claims it might be an issue in detecting the file system, but
> shouldnt the hard rive be able to be "Seen" at least in the system.

Nope, not if its formatted NTFS. Win98 SE will just ignore that.

> I may try a Win 2000, XP or NT system and see if it recognises it.

No real point. Just scrub all the data off it using clearhdd from
http://www.samsungelectronics.com/hdd/support/downloads/utilities_03.html
and fdisk and format the drive and carry on regardless if you
dont need the data off that drive.

"Mark B." wrote:

> I STAND CORRECTED.
>
> I run Win98 from IDE1, and lots of other things on removable drives on IDE2,
> so I tend to only run with one channel on at a time.
>
> Here's what I did: I turned the IDE2 on and let the computer boot into 98.
> When I looked in My Computer, the hard drive on IDE2 was not listed and did
> not show up until I ran the add/remove hardware applet. (in which case it
> showed up as G: first, then E: after subsequent reboots.)
>
> If 98 did in fact "scan", it failed to detect the drive. When "forced" to
> look for other hardware though, it came up with the additional drive.
>
> You were right, I was wrong. And I learned something. (Not the least of
> which is not to SHOUT when I disagree. My apologies.)
>

And maybe if you config your BIOS to Auto Detect on each  -  you'll  find the
other devices on bootup.

rm
















>
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:abrkmc$kpak8$1@ID-69072.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > Mark B. <some@othertime.org> wrote in message
> > news:JSbE8.77044$qU1.18400816@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com...
> >
> > > INCORRECT!
> >
> > Fraid not.
> >
> > > Operating systems DO NOT just "see" IDE hard drives that
> > > have not been detected by BIOS or configured in BIOS.
> >
> > Fraid so. Thats been true for years now,
> > particularly with Win9x and the NT derivatives.
> >
> > > Very simple; if the IDE hard drive ain't listed in the
> > > BIOS table, it ain't there as far as the OS is concerned.
> >
> > Fraid so. Win9x and the NT derivatives particularly
> > scan for drives themselves, so it doesnt matter if the
> > bios doesnt see them when the drive isnt the boot drive.
> >
> > > The exception is SCSI hard drives, in which case the SCSI
> > > card must be able to access and recognize the drive.
> >
> > Fraid its much more complicated than you claim.
> >
> >
> > > Philo <philo@plazaearth.com> wrote
> >
> > >> although you should have your bios
> > >> set to auto...to detect the drive.
> > >> even if it's not set in the bios...your operating
> > >> system should still detect the drive.
> > >> if you have not yet run fdisk and created partitions, it will not show
> up
> > >> so you need to do that and be sure that you partition your *second*
> drive!
> >
> >
> >

case wrote:

> I have founf out that the computer it was used in was running
> Windows NT -FS (?)
>
> he claims it might be an issue in detecting the file system, but shouldnt
> the hard rive be able to be "Seen" at least in the system.
>
> I may try a Win 2000, XP or NT system and see if it recognises it.
>
> --
> Case

Or get Discwizzard off the Seagate site (this works with other brands) -  to
format whilst in the system and not having to fdisk and format from scratch.
But the drive has to be recognised in the BIOS.

rm

case wrote:

> I have founf out that the computer it was used in was running
> Windows NT -FS (?)
>
> he claims it might be an issue in detecting the file system, but shouldnt
> the hard rive be able to be "Seen" at least in the system.
>
> I may try a Win 2000, XP or NT system and see if it recognises it.
>
> --
> Case

No the drive information can't be read by DOS W3.1  W95   W98  - ( Fat / 32
)   if the format is NTFS

Or get Discwizzard off the Seagate site (this works with other brands) -  to
format whilst in the system and not having to fdisk and format from scratch.
But the drive has to be recognised in the BIOS.

rm

case <case.sinclair@imvs.sa.gov.au> wrote in message
news:3ce1b2bb$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...

> See that the problem,
> I sent the hard drive to a firedn to get a whole swag of
> material I really need...otherwise I have to send it back,
> SO Ill get the data off via XP then re-foprmat for windows98,

> thats do-able am I right?

Yes.

> Thanks for the info Rod and others,

You could, if you have access to a WinXP (or 2K I think) machine install the
drives and then use the File System conversion utility. I think you can
access this by right clicking on My Computer and selecting Manage, and then
going to Disk Management.

Alex


"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:abse1s$kfj2s$1@ID-69072.news.dfncis.de...
>
> case <case.sinclair@imvs.sa.gov.au> wrote in message
> news:3ce1b2bb$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
>
> > See that the problem,
> > I sent the hard drive to a firedn to get a whole swag of
> > material I really need...otherwise I have to send it back,
> > SO Ill get the data off via XP then re-foprmat for windows98,
>
> > thats do-able am I right?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Thanks for the info Rod and others,
>
>
>

Good people,
Do you think its possible for me to boot my system from a WinXP Pro cd, then
install it to the hard drive so as to make the system double bootable ?

this is so I can actually use this dang hard drive which is not 98
accessible

--
Case
Adelaide

"case" <case.sinclair@imvs.sa.gov.au> wrote in message
news:3ce3061c$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
> Good people,
> Do you think its possible for me to boot my system from a WinXP Pro cd,
then
> install it to the hard drive so as to make the system double bootable ?
>
> this is so I can actually use this dang hard drive which is not 98
> accessible
>
> --
> Case
> Adelaide
>
>

XP can read both NTFS and FAT just like Win2k :)

Regards

Shaolin

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case <case.sinclair@imvs.sa.gov.au> wrote in
message news:3ce3061c$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...

> Good people,
> Do you think its possible for me to boot my system from a WinXP Pro cd,
> then install it to the hard drive so as to make the system double bootable ?

> this is so I can actually use this dang
> hard drive which is not 98 accessible

Thats a bit of a dangerous approach if you'll slash
your wrists if you lose the data on that drive.

Much safer to put that drive into a working XP system.

"case" <case.sinclair@imvs.sa.gov.au> wrote in message
news:3ce1b2bb$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
> See that the problem,
> I sent the hard drive to a firedn to get a whole swag of material I really
> need...otherwise I have to send it back,
> SO Ill get the data off via XP then re-foprmat for windows98,
>
> thats do-able am I right?

Yes. Or if you only want to read the data off the drive, get yourself a copy
of "NTFS for Windows 98" or NTFSDOS from
http://www.sysinternals.com/win9x/98utilities.shtml and you are laughing!

Cheers,
Javan.