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On 24 Jan 98 08:40:30 GMT, Eric Fernance <fernancee@bigpond.com> wrote:
>People,
>
>Any help on this one is appreciated.
>
>I have recently been trying to install PPP support under Red Hat Linux ver.
>4.2. Unfortunately being a newbie I am not too keen on getting in an
>recompiling the kernel. Does anyone know of any way to install support for
>PPP without having to do this?
>
>Is there a program I can run similiar to the Dial up Networking feature
>included in Windows '95.
>
>Eric Fernance.
>fernancee@bigpond.com

I'm using slackware, but I don't believe this should make a difference.  If
you're using a kernel off of the CD or a boot disk, odds are it doesn't have
a lot of the networking functions built into the kernel.  There's really no
way around it, you'll have to compile a new one.  Then you get the fun of
setting the scripts up correctly.

Don't get too worried about this, it'll become old hat eventually,  In the
meantime, there's plenty of us to help with specific problems. 

	--Arthur Corliss
	  Corliss Consultancy
	  Anchorage, Alaska

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Arthur Corliss wrote in message ...
>On 24 Jan 98 08:40:30 GMT, Eric Fernance <fernancee@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>People,
>>
>>Any help on this one is appreciated.
>>
>>I have recently been trying to install PPP support under Red Hat Linux
ver.
>>4.2. Unfortunately being a newbie I am not too keen on getting in an
>>recompiling the kernel. Does anyone know of any way to install support for
>>PPP without having to do this?
>>
>>Is there a program I can run similiar to the Dial up Networking feature
>>included in Windows '95.
>>
>>Eric Fernance.
>>fernancee@bigpond.com
>
>I'm using slackware, but I don't believe this should make a difference.  If
>you're using a kernel off of the CD or a boot disk, odds are it doesn't
have
>a lot of the networking functions built into the kernel.  There's really no
>way around it, you'll have to compile a new one.  Then you get the fun of
>setting the scripts up correctly.
>
>Don't get too worried about this, it'll become old hat eventually,  In the
>meantime, there's plenty of us to help with specific problems.
>
> --Arthur Corliss
>   Corliss Consultancy
>   Anchorage, Alaska
>

I call BS on your 'old hat' statement.  I just recently installed Redhat
5.0.  Fresh install with all of the trimmings.  I have yet to be able to
compile a kernel that works.  If you will look at my many earlier postings
requesting help (most of which no one is smart enough to answer, apparently)
you will see my problem.  Look at the message title 'test of your little
nirvana"  it lists my problems which no one can fix.

If I sound bitter, I am.  I bought Linux because someone told me it was a
good OS.  As yet, I have found nothing in it to prove that or make me want
to abandon win95.  As far as I am concerned, Linus Torvald should have never
started this little project.  It was an enormous waste of time.  I can't
even get my kernel to compile right.  I don't see how anyone else is using
it.




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|> I call BS on your 'old hat' statement.  I just recently installed Redhat
|> 5.0.  Fresh install with all of the trimmings.  I have yet to be able to
|> compile a kernel that works.  If you will look at my many earlier postings
|> requesting help (most of which no one is smart enough to answer, apparently)
|> you will see my problem.  Look at the message title 'test of your little
|> nirvana"  it lists my problems which no one can fix.
|> 
|> If I sound bitter, I am.  I bought Linux because someone told me it was a
|> good OS.  As yet, I have found nothing in it to prove that or make me want
|> to abandon win95.  As far as I am concerned, Linus Torvald should have never
|> started this little project.  It was an enormous waste of time.  I can't
|> even get my kernel to compile right.  I don't see how anyone else is using
|> it.
|> 

Anyone else who is using it doesn't cry boo hoo and take the ball home when a
little bit of work and reading is in order.
You don't sound bitter, you sound immature and frustrated.
People like you need to stick with Windows 95.

Btw kernel compile #29 on this box...


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al ross wrote in message <6aejsr$g9g$1@nightmare.netgsi.com>...
>|> I call BS on your 'old hat' statement.  I just recently installed Redhat
>|> 5.0.  Fresh install with all of the trimmings.  I have yet to be able to
>|> compile a kernel that works.  If you will look at my many earlier
postings
>|> requesting help (most of which no one is smart enough to answer,
apparently)
>|> you will see my problem.  Look at the message title 'test of your little
>|> nirvana"  it lists my problems which no one can fix.
>|>
>|> If I sound bitter, I am.  I bought Linux because someone told me it was
a
>|> good OS.  As yet, I have found nothing in it to prove that or make me
want
>|> to abandon win95.  As far as I am concerned, Linus Torvald should have
never
>|> started this little project.  It was an enormous waste of time.  I can't
>|> even get my kernel to compile right.  I don't see how anyone else is
using
>|> it.
>|>
>
>Anyone else who is using it doesn't cry boo hoo and take the ball home when
a
>little bit of work and reading is in order.
>You don't sound bitter, you sound immature and frustrated.
>People like you need to stick with Windows 95.
>
>Btw kernel compile #29 on this box...


Yes I had similar problems with RHL 4.2 First READ THROUGH THE MANUAL FIRST.
It will explain the in's and out's of the common things and explain stuff
that is radically different from the standard linux places for files (RHL
does have a few funny things about it) At first I couldn't compile the
kerenel. BUT you will have to post your exact details of problems to news
groups and if it keeps on failing to compile then your sources are
mostprobrably corrupt. Like Mine were. Just go and get the full source from
ftp.kernel.org and you will be fine. If it refuses to boot then read the
manual first.

Yep btw i am now up to my 11th kerenel.

In article <01bd287e$328f89e0$LocalHost@snoopy>,
	"Eric Fernance" <fernancee@bigpond.com> writes:
> I have recently been trying to install PPP support under Red Hat Linux ver.
> 4.2. Unfortunately being a newbie I am not too keen on getting in an
> recompiling the kernel. Does anyone know of any way to install support for
> PPP without having to do this?

PPP should already be in the default kernel that installed (2.0.30).
Try typing 'pppd' in an xterm, or at a shell prompt in a VT and if
you get a stream of binary characters: you're away!

> 
> Is there a program I can run similiar to the Dial up Networking feature
> included in Windows '95.

Yep: X-ISP, really good X-based GUI dialer. Easy to set up and use. There's
also EZppp, which is similar, but I'd go with XISP as it supports CHAP and PAP
authenticating protocols.

Good luck:
Sion

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Eric,
In RedHat Linux ver. 5 you can go to the Linux Kernel directory and type:

make menuconfig

This will give you a semi graphical interface to config the Kernel.  Hope
this helps...

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Eric Fernance wrote in message <01bd287e$328f89e0$LocalHost@snoopy>...
>People,
>
>Any help on this one is appreciated.
>
>I have recently been trying to install PPP support under Red Hat Linux ver.
>4.2. Unfortunately being a newbie I am not too keen on getting in an
>recompiling the kernel. Does anyone know of any way to install support for
>PPP without having to do this?
>
>Is there a program I can run similiar to the Dial up Networking feature
>included in Windows '95.
>
>Eric Fernance.
>fernancee@bigpond.com

Eric Fernance wrote:

> People,
>
> Any help on this one is appreciated.
>
> I have recently been trying to install PPP support under Red Hat Linux ver.
> 4.2. Unfortunately being a newbie I am not too keen on getting in an
> recompiling the kernel. Does anyone know of any way to install support for
> PPP without having to do this?
>
> Is there a program I can run similiar to the Dial up Networking feature
> included in Windows '95.
>
> Eric Fernance.
> fernancee@bigpond.com

Eric,Really simple -  assuming you've done a default install  go to
http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/rhl/PPP-Tips/PPP-Tips-6.html
In fact it's probably easier IMHO that Win 95's Dial up Networking.

Have Fun
DAVID

To check if PPP support is compiled into your kernel, at least on my
heavily upgraded Slackware system ...

just watch the boot up messages ... or after logging in do a 'dmesg |
more' and watch for the 'ppp' configuration messages ... should be
about 6 lines (?) within the first third of the messages.

I don't remember about my default kernal after my first install as I
immediately re-compiled to add in sound support for my SoundBlaster
PnP card.  That was a year ago (Christmas 1996) and I haven't looked
back!

I just recently posted my PPP dialup scripts to comp.os.linux.help if
you'd like to take a look at them.

Good luck ... it works well, is very powerful from a configuration
point of view and very flexible for changing situations.  The earlier
versions of Win95 DialUp were very clunky and feature poor, the newer
ones seem to have resolved some of those problems.  

corliss@odin.org (Arthur Corliss) wrote:

>On 24 Jan 98 08:40:30 GMT, Eric Fernance <fernancee@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>People,
>>
>>Any help on this one is appreciated.
>>
>>I have recently been trying to install PPP support under Red Hat Linux ver.
>>4.2. Unfortunately being a newbie I am not too keen on getting in an
>>recompiling the kernel. Does anyone know of any way to install support for
>>PPP without having to do this?
>>
>>Is there a program I can run similiar to the Dial up Networking feature
>>included in Windows '95.
>>
>>Eric Fernance.
>>fernancee@bigpond.com

>I'm using slackware, but I don't believe this should make a difference.  If
>you're using a kernel off of the CD or a boot disk, odds are it doesn't have
>a lot of the networking functions built into the kernel.  There's really no
>way around it, you'll have to compile a new one.  Then you get the fun of
>setting the scripts up correctly.
>
>Don't get too worried about this, it'll become old hat eventually,  In the
>meantime, there's plenty of us to help with specific problems. 


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It's 25 Jan 98  16:21,
We'll return to jeffrey@jborg.ml.org and All's
discussion of PPP Access under Linux

 je> Yes I had similar problems with RHL 4.2 First READ THROUGH THE MANUAL
 je> FIRST. It will explain the in's and out's of the common things and

A must with any Linux! :-)  I had few problems installing Red Hat 4.2 on
3 different boxes myself (though I'm not new to Linux either :) ).  RTFM
was a standard first step I used, even with experience. :-)

 je> explain stuff that is radically different from the standard linux
 je> places for files (RHL does have a few funny things about it) At first I
 je> couldn't compile the kerenel. BUT you will have to post your exact
 je> details of problems to news groups and if it keeps on failing to
 je> compile then your sources are mostprobrably corrupt. Like Mine were.
 je> Just go and get the full source from ftp.kernel.org and you will be
 je> fine. If it refuses to boot then read the manual first.

 je> Yep btw i am now up to my 11th kerenel.

I'm on my 3rd or 4th here, but that's because I already knew what I
wanted first up. :-)

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> je> Yep btw i am now up to my 11th kerenel.
>
>I'm on my 3rd or 4th here, but that's because I already knew what I
>wanted first up. :-)


Just that quite a few of my first goes were stuff up and there was Ip
Masquerading , then the Patch for joilet cd format and then 3 kernel
upgrades. Now does 11 sound like out of the question. The last one I did was
about 45 days ago anyway.

On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:01:00 -0500, J. J. Horner <hornerj@email.msn.com> wrote:
>Arthur Corliss wrote in message ...
>>I'm using slackware, but I don't believe this should make a difference.  If
>>you're using a kernel off of the CD or a boot disk, odds are it doesn't
>have
>>a lot of the networking functions built into the kernel.  There's really no
>>way around it, you'll have to compile a new one.  Then you get the fun of
>>setting the scripts up correctly.
>>
>>Don't get too worried about this, it'll become old hat eventually,  In the
>>meantime, there's plenty of us to help with specific problems.
>>
>> --Arthur Corliss
>>   Corliss Consultancy
>>   Anchorage, Alaska
>>
>
>I call BS on your 'old hat' statement.  I just recently installed Redhat
>5.0.  Fresh install with all of the trimmings.  I have yet to be able to
>compile a kernel that works.  If you will look at my many earlier postings
>requesting help (most of which no one is smart enough to answer, apparently)
>you will see my problem.  Look at the message title 'test of your little
>nirvana"  it lists my problems which no one can fix.
>
>If I sound bitter, I am.  I bought Linux because someone told me it was a
>good OS.  As yet, I have found nothing in it to prove that or make me want
>to abandon win95.  As far as I am concerned, Linus Torvald should have never
>started this little project.  It was an enormous waste of time.  I can't
>even get my kernel to compile right.  I don't see how anyone else is using
>it.
>

Sorry that you're having that much trouble.  I had a hell of a time migrating
from DOS/Windows/NT, but am now glad that I did.  I can't overstate how
important research and a few good books are.  But I have to admit that with this
OS you'll never stop learning, there's just that much ground to cover.

I haven't seen your other posts, and am a sporadic reader of these newsgroups
at best, but if you e-mail a list of some of your problems, I'll do what ever
I can to help you along.  Just as many other good folks have done for me,
something that I feel is a huge asset that Linux has over other OS communities.

	--Arthur Corliss
	  Corliss Consultancy
	  Anchorage, Alaska

Go here: http://www.ssc.com/lj/issue36/ppp.html

Arthur Corliss wrote:

> On 24 Jan 98 08:40:30 GMT, Eric Fernance <fernancee@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >People,
> >
> >Any help on this one is appreciated.
> >
> >I have recently been trying to install PPP support under Red Hat Linux ver.
> >4.2. Unfortunately being a newbie I am not too keen on getting in an
> >recompiling the kernel. Does anyone know of any way to install support for
> >PPP without having to do this?
> >
> >Is there a program I can run similiar to the Dial up Networking feature
> >included in Windows '95.
> >
> >Eric Fernance.
> >fernancee@bigpond.com
>
> I'm using slackware, but I don't believe this should make a difference.  If
> you're using a kernel off of the CD or a boot disk, odds are it doesn't have
> a lot of the networking functions built into the kernel.  There's really no
> way around it, you'll have to compile a new one.  Then you get the fun of
> setting the scripts up correctly.
>
> Don't get too worried about this, it'll become old hat eventually,  In the
> meantime, there's plenty of us to help with specific problems.
>
>         --Arthur Corliss
>           Corliss Consultancy
>           Anchorage, Alaska

Incidentally, to all those who are interested, Red Hat 5.7 (not sure on the number
exactly) has just been released. I'm told that it contains some *very serious*
enhancements to the install scripts, including a GUI, the ability to muck around
with sound cards without recompiling, etc etc!

Slainte,
Sean

Arthur Corliss wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:01:00 -0500, J. J. Horner <hornerj@email.msn.com> wrote:
> >Arthur Corliss wrote in message ...
> >>I'm using slackware, but I don't believe this should make a difference.  If
> >>you're using a kernel off of the CD or a boot disk, odds are it doesn't
> >have
> >>a lot of the networking functions built into the kernel.  There's really no
> >>way around it, you'll have to compile a new one.  Then you get the fun of
> >>setting the scripts up correctly.

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Arthur Corliss <corliss@odin.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:01:00 -0500, J. J. Horner <hornerj@email.msn.com> wrote:
> Sorry that you're having that much trouble.  I had a hell of a time migrating
> from DOS/Windows/NT, but am now glad that I did.  I can't overstate how
> important research and a few good books are.  But I have to admit that with this
> OS you'll never stop learning, there's just that much ground to cover.

> I haven't seen your other posts, and am a sporadic reader of these newsgroups
> at best, but if you e-mail a list of some of your problems, I'll do what ever
> I can to help you along.  Just as many other good folks have done for me,

I'm still using RedHat 4.1 - i see little reason for going to 5.0 at the moment
due to problems people are experiancing.. 

but i'd like to add, i also have found Linux to be more powerful than WIn95
in a number of ways

not that i'd even both comparingthe two :)
after all Win95 isnt really an OS :)

Ive used Linux since Auguest 1996 when I first got a PC of my own, as
I previously owned an Amiga, I wanted the best OS on the PC so Linux was my first choice after using UNIX on many other systems such as Sun SPARC's, 
IBM RS6000's AIX, and BSDI 2.2

I think Linux is a very capable OS, and is forever gathering support..
so if yer considering moving from Linux, give it another chance.

Once working it doesnt need to be tweaked (ive been running version 2.0.31 of the kernel for 6 months, after iupgraded to 2.0.32 and 2.0.33 finding them to be 
querky so i dropped back) :)

well. thats my babble for the day :)


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> I'm using slackware, but I don't believe this should make a difference.  If
> you're using a kernel off of the CD or a boot disk, odds are it doesn't have
> a lot of the networking functions built into the kernel.  There's really no
> way around it, you'll have to compile a new one.  Then you get the fun of
> setting the scripts up correctly.

Maybe it used to be that in the past, but now recompilinh the kernel is not
needed. I've used PPP in both RedHad 4.2 and Debian 1.3
with the distribution kernel with no problems at all. Actually one of the
machines is even set up as a dial-in PPP server . Modern kernels
support the concept of modules which make it possible to extend the basic
kernel of the distribution without recompiling. In the distributions I used,
PPP support was already compiled as a kernel module.

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I just configured my machine for PPP dial up to Internet.  I used a program
called EZPPP.  Works great, directions are specific and it is very east to
set-up.  No kernel hacking needed.

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Elad Tsur wrote in message <34D0597D.2A50D09B@ccsg.tau.ac.il>...
>> I'm using slackware, but I don't believe this should make a difference.
If
>> you're using a kernel off of the CD or a boot disk, odds are it doesn't
have
>> a lot of the networking functions built into the kernel.  There's really
no
>> way around it, you'll have to compile a new one.  Then you get the fun of
>> setting the scripts up correctly.
>
>Maybe it used to be that in the past, but now recompilinh the kernel is not
>needed. I've used PPP in both RedHad 4.2 and Debian 1.3
>with the distribution kernel with no problems at all. Actually one of the
>machines is even set up as a dial-in PPP server . Modern kernels
>support the concept of modules which make it possible to extend the basic
>kernel of the distribution without recompiling. In the distributions I
used,
>PPP support was already compiled as a kernel module.
>
>--
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>http://lep1.tau.ac.il:8000/
>

It's 27 Jan 98  12:09,
We'll return to corliss@odin.org and All's
discussion of PPP Access under Linux

 co> Sorry that you're having that much trouble.  I had a hell of a time
 co> migrating from DOS/Windows/NT, but am now glad that I did.  I can't
 co> overstate how important research and a few good books are.  But I have
 co> to admit that with this OS you'll never stop learning, there's just
 co> that much ground to cover.

So true. :-)  There's so much to Linux, that you never stop learning.  I
originally got involved because of a hobby Internet project, where Linux
was reccommended over NT.  Having had mixed experiences with UNIX, I
took it on as a challenge, albeit with reservations.

The more I played with Linux, the more I grew to like it, and these
days, I use it professionally, as well as on a hobby basis.

 co> I haven't seen your other posts, and am a sporadic reader of these
 co> newsgroups at best, but if you e-mail a list of some of your problems,
 co> I'll do what ever I can to help you along.  Just as many other good
 co> folks have done for me, something that I feel is a huge asset that
 co> Linux has over other OS communities.

Again, agreed.  The Linux community is its greatest asset. :-)

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On 01 Feb 98 13:15:02 , Tony Langdon <tlang@freeway.DIALix.oz.au> wrote:
>So true. :-)  There's so much to Linux, that you never stop learning.  I
>originally got involved because of a hobby Internet project, where Linux
>was reccommended over NT.  Having had mixed experiences with UNIX, I
>took it on as a challenge, albeit with reservations.

I got involved after the lack of stable NT drivers caused me to lose
month's of work on a project.  I have way too much money invested in MS
to drop the completely, and that is where I get all my business in, but
I'm much happier since I've moved all my personal usage to Linux.  And for
all the developers out there, I have to admit that I'm amazed at the viable
products out there that give us cross platform support.  I'll wean myself
off of MS yet. :-) 

>The more I played with Linux, the more I grew to like it, and these
>days, I use it professionally, as well as on a hobby basis.

It's a beautiful thing, isn't it?

> co> I haven't seen your other posts, and am a sporadic reader of these
> co> newsgroups at best, but if you e-mail a list of some of your problems,
> co> I'll do what ever I can to help you along.  Just as many other good
> co> folks have done for me, something that I feel is a huge asset that
> co> Linux has over other OS communities.
>
>Again, agreed.  The Linux community is its greatest asset. :-)

I've been sucking brain cells from posters here for longer than I care to
admit.  So, to all the Linux users out there, I salute you! <G>  Why do I feel
that I should have some AC/DC playing right now?

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