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spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:

> The imac is running OS 8.6 and a lot of webpages are not displaying 
> properly on the old web browsers that are installed. I'm wanting to 
> install Netscape 7.0 and (hopefully) a more recent version of internet
> explorer for mac (along with outlook express).
> 
> My questions are: how does one go about installing software on a mac?
> How do I remove the old software on a mac? Should I even bother removing
> the old software? If I remove the old software first, will the user's
> email/address books and bookmarks/favourites be lost when I go to 
> install the new software?

It would be worth knowing what version browsers are currently being
used. IE for Mac has not been updated for quite a while and Microsoft
have said that they have now stopped its development, even for the new
Mac OS X. It remains at version 5.1.7. Personally, I found it to be an
OK browser on Mac OS8.6.

Go to:
http://www.versiontracker.com/macos/
type *web browser* in the search box and you will get a list of suitable
software.

Installing and uninstalling is one area where there are generally fewer
problems than on the systems you are familiar with. Basically you can
just drag stuff to the trash without doing any harm. There may be some
value in doing this after downloading the new software if you want to
transfer bookmarks and suchlike.

-- 
Adrian

Adrian <nonesuch@place.com> wrote:

> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
> 
> > The imac is running OS 8.6 and a lot of webpages are not displaying
> > properly on the old web browsers that are installed. I'm wanting to
> > install Netscape 7.0 and (hopefully) a more recent version of internet
> > explorer for mac (along with outlook express).
> > 
> > My questions are: how does one go about installing software on a mac?
> > How do I remove the old software on a mac? Should I even bother removing
> > the old software? If I remove the old software first, will the user's
> > email/address books and bookmarks/favourites be lost when I go to 
> > install the new software?
> 
> It would be worth knowing what version browsers are currently being
> used. IE for Mac has not been updated for quite a while and Microsoft
> have said that they have now stopped its development, even for the new
> Mac OS X. It remains at version 5.1.7. Personally, I found it to be an
> OK browser on Mac OS8.6.
> 
> Go to:
> http://www.versiontracker.com/macos/
> type *web browser* in the search box and you will get a list of suitable
> software.
> 

Another good place is www.macorchard.com - it's a site that specialises
in listing Mac Internet software. As the site says, it is: 'a carefully
cultivated list of the most vital Internet applications and links for
Macintosh Internet users'.

Lots of resources for older OSes too.

ck


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Adrian wrote:
> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>The imac is running OS 8.6 and a lot of webpages are not displaying 
>>properly on the old web browsers that are installed. I'm wanting to 
>>install Netscape 7.0 and (hopefully) a more recent version of internet
>>explorer for mac (along with outlook express).
>>
>>My questions are: how does one go about installing software on a mac?
>>How do I remove the old software on a mac? Should I even bother removing
>>the old software? If I remove the old software first, will the user's
>>email/address books and bookmarks/favourites be lost when I go to 
>>install the new software?
> 
> 
> It would be worth knowing what version browsers are currently being
> used. IE for Mac has not been updated for quite a while and Microsoft
> have said that they have now stopped its development, even for the new
> Mac OS X. It remains at version 5.1.7. Personally, I found it to be an
> OK browser on Mac OS8.6.
> 
> Go to:
> http://www.versiontracker.com/macos/
> type *web browser* in the search box and you will get a list of suitable
> software.
> 
> Installing and uninstalling is one area where there are generally fewer
> problems than on the systems you are familiar with. Basically you can
> just drag stuff to the trash without doing any harm. There may be some
> value in doing this after downloading the new software if you want to
> transfer bookmarks and suchlike.
> 

Thanks. I'm going to update her netscape to 7.02, as just about anything 
is better with modern sites than netscape 4.x. I think I'll *try* to 
import her mail and address book from the old outlook express into 
netscape so she doesn't have to keep fiddling with multiple programs, 
but then again, I might just leave well enough alone. The old outlook 
express she's using seems to suit her well enough. It's the browsers 
that are VERY problematic.

Cheers,

Ari

-- 
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my 
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. To jump to the end 
of the story, as a result of this I need a bone marrow transplant. Many 
people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please 
volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:

> Thanks. I'm going to update her netscape to 7.02, as just about anything
> is better with modern sites than netscape 4.x. I think I'll *try* to 
> import her mail and address book from the old outlook express into 
> netscape so she doesn't have to keep fiddling with multiple programs,
> but then again, I might just leave well enough alone. The old outlook
> express she's using seems to suit her well enough. It's the browsers 
> that are VERY problematic.

I would leave Outlook Express alone. Unless your friend is very low on
RAM there is no problem running 2 applications. Are you aware that you
can manually alter the amount of RAM which the system allocates to the
applications in use? Browsers benefit from having plenty of RAM
available.

-- 
Adrian

In article <41b2bcd6$1@quokka.wn.com.au>, spodosaurus
<spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm trying to help a friend out with their imac. They're a computer 
> newbie, and I'm a mac newbie (I use linux and windows), but I figure 
> it's about time I started learning a bit more than just how to configure 
> mac networking and such.
> 
> The imac is running OS 8.6 and a lot of webpages are not displaying 
> properly on the old web browsers that are installed. I'm wanting to 
> install Netscape 7.0 and (hopefully) a more recent version of internet 
> explorer for mac (along with outlook express).
> 
> My questions are: how does one go about installing software on a mac? 
> How do I remove the old software on a mac? Should I even bother removing 
> the old software? If I remove the old software first, will the user's 
> email/address books and bookmarks/favourites be lost when I go to 
> install the new software?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Ari

Check out the newsgroup <alt.binaries.mac.applications.retro> for all
sorts of older software. Make requests if you choose.  There's heaps of
stuff, and a whole tribe of enthusiasts (more than in this local group)

You might try using Opera_PPC, as a browser.  It was the last one I
used (on my old PPC). 

I would remove old software, yes, to avoid getting clogged up. But NOT
until you've made a copy of it (and any extras that go with it).
Prefereable make a copy of the entire disk (or at least a copy of all
its contents).

Most apps come in their own folder, self-contained, but some will have
bits in the System Folder - EXTENSIONS, and almost all will have a file
in PREFERENCES. Only rarely there will be a CONTROL PANEL, though
Control Panels can have Preference file.

Some apps have an INSTALLER (often via a SMI) but others will just be
copied into the Applications Folder.

Don't assume the most recent app is the best.  And don't be shy to ask
for advice in a.b.m.a.retro.  More specific questions may help, and
what processor does that iMac use, and how much RAM is there?  OS 8.6
is not that old, and I still have it on one PPC I use for Debian.  If
you have enough RAM (and it's easy to get) you might consider running
OS 9.1.

Have Fun.

Nikki

spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in
news:41b2eff3@quokka.wn.com.au: 

>> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>The imac is running OS 8.6 and a lot of webpages are not
>>>displaying properly on the old web browsers that are installed.

> 
> Thanks. I'm going to update her netscape to 7.02, as just about
> anything is better with modern sites than netscape 4.x. I think
> I'll *try* to import her mail and address book from the old
> outlook express into netscape so she doesn't have to keep fiddling
> with multiple programs, but then again, I might just leave well
> enough alone. The old outlook express she's using seems to suit
> her well enough. It's the browsers that are VERY problematic.

Try WaMCom (unofficial Mozilla 1.3.1) It's the very final Mozilla to 
run on "Classic" Mac OS 8.6 and 9.x

<http://www.wamcom.org/latest-131/>

I use it on my G3 [MacOS 8.6] and find that it's great, has all the 
regular Moz features - no popups, highly configurable etc.

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huh wrote:

> More specific questions may help, and
> what processor does that iMac use, and how much RAM is there? 

Not sure of the processor, but there appears to be only 32mb of ram in 
it. I'm not sure how that rates among macs, but for PCs that's pretty 
low. It's unable to run Netscape 7.02 effectively due to lack of RAM 
(it's constantly swapping to the hard disk, and it's so slow as to be 
virtually unusable...though it does render pages correctly). I think 
it's probably going to need a little extra memory. Now I need to find 
out what kind of memory it takes, where it's located, and how to install 
more on an imac (I don't like the whole built in monitor deal...afraid 
of capacitors and shocks...but I've never been inside an imac so maybe 
my fears are unfounded).

Cheers,

Ari

-- 
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my 
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. To jump to the end 
of the story, as a result of this I need a bone marrow transplant. Many 
people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please 
volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

Adrian wrote:
> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Thanks. I'm going to update her netscape to 7.02, as just about anything
>>is better with modern sites than netscape 4.x. I think I'll *try* to 
>>import her mail and address book from the old outlook express into 
>>netscape so she doesn't have to keep fiddling with multiple programs,
>>but then again, I might just leave well enough alone. The old outlook
>>express she's using seems to suit her well enough. It's the browsers 
>>that are VERY problematic.
> 
> 
> I would leave Outlook Express alone. Unless your friend is very low on
> RAM there is no problem running 2 applications. Are you aware that you
> can manually alter the amount of RAM which the system allocates to the
> applications in use? Browsers benefit from having plenty of RAM
> available.
> 

How do I do this? Netscape 7.02 runs so slow due to constantly swapping 
to hard disk cache that it's virtually unusable (though it does render 
the web pages correctly, which is what we wanted). Apparently the system 
has 32mb of ram and a 6GB hard drive. She's wanting to add more RAM, so 
now I must figure out how to do this on an imac as well as which type of 
RAM it takes. I increased a disk cache setting from the default of 64mb 
to 128mb and it improved performance somewhat when running netscape 
7.02, but not nearly enough to make the program usable.

Cheers,

Ari


-- 
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my 
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. To jump to the end 
of the story, as a result of this I need a bone marrow transplant. Many 
people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please 
volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

In article <41b432ee$1@quokka.wn.com.au>, spodosaurus
<spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:

> huh wrote:
> 
> > More specific questions may help, and
> > what processor does that iMac use, and how much RAM is there? 
> 
> Not sure of the processor, but there appears to be only 32mb of ram in 
> it. I'm not sure how that rates among macs, but for PCs that's pretty 
> low. It's unable to run Netscape 7.02 effectively due to lack of RAM 
> (it's constantly swapping to the hard disk, and it's so slow as to be 
> virtually unusable...though it does render pages correctly). I think 
> it's probably going to need a little extra memory. Now I need to find 
> out what kind of memory it takes, where it's located, and how to install 
> more on an imac (I don't like the whole built in monitor deal...afraid 
> of capacitors and shocks...but I've never been inside an imac so maybe 
> my fears are unfounded).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ari

Buy RAM !!  It sounds to me like you can't judge the workability of
anything else while the system is struggling.

Try Nick, in Melbourne - a reliable supplier for many of us. Phone him
to make sure you get the right sticks, and do so in the presence of the
iMac so you can check model details or whatever. The term 'iMac' refers
to a whole series of boxen; you'll need more info to determine the
right RAM.

http://www.applebits.bigstep.com/

Next, look out for a manual for your iMac

http://home.wanadoo.nl/manual.man/manuals.html

That's an old link, hope it still works.

I can't comment on iMacs. But I've been inside all the Macs I've ever
had. I'm not a techie but so far no damage and no shocks. You're right
to be careful of the CRT but you can usually slip RAM in without much
fuss. Just be careful to remove all cables but remove the mains last,
and then touch the power supply casing to discharge any static your
body may be carrying. And work hard on avoiding the temptation to clean
up the circuit boards; play safe and leave the dust where it is!

Good luck Ari - and don't be shy to ask again.

Nikki

spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:

> Adrian wrote:
> > spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I would leave Outlook Express alone. Unless your friend is very low on
> > RAM there is no problem running 2 applications. Are you aware that you
> > can manually alter the amount of RAM which the system allocates to the
> > applications in use? Browsers benefit from having plenty of RAM
> > available.
> > 
> 
> How do I do this? Netscape 7.02 runs so slow due to constantly swapping
> to hard disk cache that it's virtually unusable (though it does render
> the web pages correctly, which is what we wanted). Apparently the system
> has 32mb of ram and a 6GB hard drive. She's wanting to add more RAM, so
> now I must figure out how to do this on an imac as well as which type of
> RAM it takes. I increased a disk cache setting from the default of 64mb
> to 128mb and it improved performance somewhat when running netscape 
> 7.02, but not nearly enough to make the program usable.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ari


Ah, well ... 32MB RAM is certainly going to be a problem. I suspect that
to get things working at all this iMac will be running the System with a
fair amount of Virtual Memory (look in Memory control panel .. you can
set it here .. or disable it completely if you have real RAM). In many
ways you are fighting a losing battle in the memory stakes. If I am
right about Virtual Memory then the OS is already using relatively slow
disk memory to compensate for lack of real RAM. If you had a load of RAM
to work with then allocating more for the application may well help ..
but not if all the RAM is already used up.

When in the Finder, if you click on the Apple Menu ... top left corner
... and choose About this Computer (or About this Macintosh on earlier
machines) you will get an information box which lets you know the over
all picture in relation to memory usage. If applications are open it
will show their RAM usage. It will also show the largest contiguous
block of memory which remains available. If Virtual Memeory is being
used this will include disk as well as real RAM.

Anyway, for interest's sake here is the low down in terms of old style
Mac OS application memory management. If you click once to select an
application icon (one that isn't already running) and then choose Get
Info from the File Menu. You should see an option to show memory
information ... you can alter the memory allocation here. Basically when
you launch an application it will grab the amount of RAM you set here
... some applications can crash or freeze if they don't have enough
memory allocated. In the case of a 32MB iMac depending on VM for even
its basic functionality you will, unfortunately gain little from more
memory allocation, I would guess.

Unless somone has a very cheap 128MB RAM module for you (which would
enable you to turn off the System wide Virtual Memory and allocate a
bucket of RAM to the browser) you may be struggling to get a whole lot
more speed out of later version Netscape, IMHO. I can no longer remember
the details but to reduce disk thrashing we used to use a hack to force
Netscape to cache in RAM (if you had plenty) and turn off the disk cache
... it sort-of worked!


-- 
Adrian

On 8/12/04 1:08 AM, in article
1goc9nn.8co8ux17izxq2N%anniebish@optusnet.com.au, "ann bishop"
<anniebish@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm trying to help a friend out with their imac. They're a computer
>> newbie, and I'm a mac newbie (I use linux and windows), but I figure
>> it's about time I started learning a bit more than just how to configure
>> mac networking and such.
>> 
>> The imac is running OS 8.6 and a lot of webpages are not displaying
>> properly on the old web browsers that are installed. I'm wanting to
>> install Netscape 7.0 and (hopefully) a more recent version of internet
>> explorer for mac (along with outlook express).
>> 
>> My questions are: how does one go about installing software on a mac?
>> How do I remove the old software on a mac? Should I even bother removing
>> the old software? If I remove the old software first, will the user's
>> email/address books and bookmarks/favourites be lost when I go to
>> install the new software?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> 
>> Ari
> 
> Most things come with an installer,you just  double click on it and it
> will install and usually remove the other version at the same time.
> -- Installing on Mac is much easier then you're Widows experience,my
> printer has 1 page for Mac install and 2 for Windows. ;-)
> 
> 
> annieb
> 
> A. Top Posters
> Q. What's the most annoying thing on the usenet?


YES, installing on a Mac is great

No dll files etc

To remove the program, drag to  the trash

In article <BDDB5C07.22A94%dale_s@ozemail.com.au>, dale
<dale_s@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> On 8/12/04 1:08 AM, in article
> 1goc9nn.8co8ux17izxq2N%anniebish@optusnet.com.au, "ann bishop"
> <anniebish@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> > spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi all,
> >> 
> >> I'm trying to help a friend out with their imac. They're a computer
> >> newbie, and I'm a mac newbie (I use linux and windows), but I figure
> >> it's about time I started learning a bit more than just how to configure
> >> mac networking and such.
> >> 
> >> The imac is running OS 8.6 and a lot of webpages are not displaying
> >> properly on the old web browsers that are installed. I'm wanting to
> >> install Netscape 7.0 and (hopefully) a more recent version of internet
> >> explorer for mac (along with outlook express).
> >> 
> >> My questions are: how does one go about installing software on a mac?
> >> How do I remove the old software on a mac? Should I even bother removing
> >> the old software? If I remove the old software first, will the user's
> >> email/address books and bookmarks/favourites be lost when I go to
> >> install the new software?
> >> 
> >> TIA,
> >> 
> >> Ari
> > 
> > Most things come with an installer,you just  double click on it and it
> > will install and usually remove the other version at the same time.
> > -- Installing on Mac is much easier then you're Widows experience,my
> > printer has 1 page for Mac install and 2 for Windows. ;-)
> > 
> > 
> > annieb
> > 
> > A. Top Posters
> > Q. What's the most annoying thing on the usenet?
> 
> 
> YES, installing on a Mac is great
> 
> No dll files etc
> 
> To remove the program, drag to  the trash
> 

we___ll, OK, at this stage we won't mention needing Invisible Prefs or
File Buddy - for those nasty little apps that leave icon-less calling
cards. You reckon you've gotten rid of something and it sticks to your
disk like barker's eggs and stinks out your system folder.  That can be
in next week's lesson.

Nikki

spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm trying to help a friend out with their imac. They're a computer 
> newbie, and I'm a mac newbie (I use linux and windows), but I figure 
> it's about time I started learning a bit more than just how to configure
> mac networking and such.
> 
> The imac is running OS 8.6 and a lot of webpages are not displaying 
> properly on the old web browsers that are installed. I'm wanting to 
> install Netscape 7.0 and (hopefully) a more recent version of internet
> explorer for mac (along with outlook express).
> 
> My questions are: how does one go about installing software on a mac?
> How do I remove the old software on a mac? Should I even bother removing
> the old software? If I remove the old software first, will the user's
> email/address books and bookmarks/favourites be lost when I go to 
> install the new software?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Ari

Most things come with an installer,you just  double click on it and it
will install and usually remove the other version at the same time.
-- Installing on Mac is much easier then you're Widows experience,my
printer has 1 page for Mac install and 2 for Windows. ;-)


annieb

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Q. What's the most annoying thing on the usenet?

Nikki <user@ccount.dot> wrote:

> Buy RAM !!  It sounds to me like you can't judge the workability of
> anything else while the system is struggling.
> 
> Try Nick, in Melbourne - a reliable supplier for many of us. Phone him
> to make sure you get the right sticks, and do so in the presence of the
> iMac so you can check model details or whatever. The term 'iMac' refers
> to a whole series of boxen; you'll need more info to determine the
> right RAM.
> 
> http://www.applebits.bigstep.com/
> 
> Next, look out for a manual for your iMac
> 
> http://home.wanadoo.nl/manual.man/manuals.html
> 
> That's an old link, hope it still works.
> 
> I can't comment on iMacs. But I've been inside all the Macs I've ever
> had. I'm not a techie but so far no damage and no shocks. You're right
> to be careful of the CRT but you can usually slip RAM in without much
> fuss. Just be careful to remove all cables but remove the mains last,
> and then touch the power supply casing to discharge any static your
> body may be carrying. And work hard on avoiding the temptation to clean
> up the circuit boards; play safe and leave the dust where it is!
> 
> Good luck Ari - and don't be shy to ask again.
> 
> Nikki

I too have fiddled inside of all 3 Macs I've owned at different
times,never had a problem doing what I set out to do.
You'll find things are fairly easy to get at and easy to install.
I suggest you follow Nikki's advice.

Good luck but it's not going to be as bad as you think.;-)
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Nikki <user@ccount.dot> wrote:

> 
> we___ll, OK, at this stage we won't mention needing Invisible Prefs or
> File Buddy - for those nasty little apps that leave icon-less calling
> cards. You reckon you've gotten rid of something and it sticks to your
> disk like barker's eggs and stinks out your system folder.  That can be
> in next week's lesson.
> 
> Nikki

Sherlock usually throws up the leftover bits if any,or anyway it's
worked for me so far.
Or at least as far as I know it has. ;-)
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In article <1gohi27.c8egvt9tk18aN%anniebish@optusnet.com.au>, ann
bishop <anniebish@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Nikki <user@ccount.dot> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > we___ll, OK, at this stage we won't mention needing Invisible Prefs or
> > File Buddy - for those nasty little apps that leave icon-less calling
> > cards. You reckon you've gotten rid of something and it sticks to your
> > disk like barker's eggs and stinks out your system folder.  That can be
> > in next week's lesson.
> > 
> > Nikki
> 
> Sherlock usually throws up the leftover bits if any,or anyway it's
> worked for me so far.


is THAT what Sherlock does?  I got so annoyed with it ...

[some time around OS9? when it reckoned it could evolve, from a simple
functional FIND utility, and got silly pictures, and channels (whatever
they were), and other things that got under my (none-too-thick) skin] 

... that it goes straight to the bin whenever I install. And it DOES go
quietly - and cops it sweet, no smell!

Tell me, Annie, what am I missing?

Nikki

In aus.computers.mac Nikki <user@ccount.dot> wrote:
> In article <1gohi27.c8egvt9tk18aN%anniebish@optusnet.com.au>, ann
> bishop <anniebish@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

>> Nikki <user@ccount.dot> wrote:
>> 
>> > 
>> > we___ll, OK, at this stage we won't mention needing Invisible Prefs or
>> > File Buddy - for those nasty little apps that leave icon-less calling
>> > cards. You reckon you've gotten rid of something and it sticks to your
>> > disk like barker's eggs and stinks out your system folder.  That can be
>> > in next week's lesson.
>> > 
>> > Nikki
>> 
>> Sherlock usually throws up the leftover bits if any,or anyway it's
>> worked for me so far.


> is THAT what Sherlock does?  I got so annoyed with it ...

> [some time around OS9? when it reckoned it could evolve, from a simple
> functional FIND utility, and got silly pictures, and channels (whatever
> they were), and other things that got under my (none-too-thick) skin] 

Yep, there was a horrible transition. Sherlock used to do hard drive
file searching, and was quite good at it. Then there was this Sherlock
2 crap, with odd looking pictures and seemingly incongruous features.

It wasn't for a couple of years (IIRC) that the transformation actually
fit. By that time, file searches had been intergrated into the Finder
very nicely indeed, and Sherlock was able to retire to its function of
choice. It is essentially a front for small web apps now, and does a
great job. Those little tasks the Internet is great for, but for which
the browser is a far too general and cumbersome interface for, can be
integrated as functions (called channels I think, eh) in Sherlock,
providing a simple interface for language translation, map searching,
plane booking, etc. If only it could be made relevant to countries out
side the US ;)

Heath
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|    Heath Raftery, HRSoftWorks          _\|/_           |
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In article <cp8gd8$mf$1@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>, Heath Raftery
<hraftery@myrealbox.com> wrote:

> In aus.computers.mac Nikki <user@ccount.dot> wrote:
> > In article <1gohi27.c8egvt9tk18aN%anniebish@optusnet.com.au>, ann
> > bishop <anniebish@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> >> Nikki <user@ccount.dot> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > 
> >> > we___ll, OK, at this stage we won't mention needing Invisible Prefs or
> >> > File Buddy - for those nasty little apps that leave icon-less calling
> >> > cards. You reckon you've gotten rid of something and it sticks to your
> >> > disk like barker's eggs and stinks out your system folder.  That can be
> >> > in next week's lesson.
> >> > 
> >> > Nikki
> >> 
> >> Sherlock usually throws up the leftover bits if any,or anyway it's
> >> worked for me so far.
> 
> 
> > is THAT what Sherlock does?  I got so annoyed with it ...
> 
> > [some time around OS9? when it reckoned it could evolve, from a simple
> > functional FIND utility, and got silly pictures, and channels (whatever
> > they were), and other things that got under my (none-too-thick) skin] 
> 
> Yep, there was a horrible transition. Sherlock used to do hard drive
> file searching, and was quite good at it. Then there was this Sherlock
> 2 crap, with odd looking pictures and seemingly incongruous features.
> 
> It wasn't for a couple of years (IIRC) that the transformation actually
> fit. By that time, file searches had been intergrated into the Finder
> very nicely indeed, and Sherlock was able to retire to its function of
> choice. It is essentially a front for small web apps now, and does a
> great job. Those little tasks the Internet is great for, but for which
> the browser is a far too general and cumbersome interface for, can be
> integrated as functions (called channels I think, eh) in Sherlock,
> providing a simple interface for language translation, map searching,
> plane booking, etc. If only it could be made relevant to countries out
> side the US ;)
> 
> Heath

Countries outside the US ?!?  Well, perhaps that description will apply
to a steadily decreasing number of states, as we all find ourselves
sucked in under the Eagles' wingpit.  

Well, how else can one make those Goddam French learn to speak the
President's American.  

La bas Sherlock!  La bas Meester 'Eulmes!

Nikki

Heath Raftery <hraftery@myrealbox.com> wrote:

> In aus.computers.mac Nikki <user@ccount.dot> wrote:
> > In article <1gohi27.c8egvt9tk18aN%anniebish@optusnet.com.au>, ann
> > bishop <anniebish@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> >> Sherlock usually throws up the leftover bits if any,or anyway it's
> >> worked for me so far.
> 
> 
> > is THAT what Sherlock does?  I got so annoyed with it ...
> 
> > [some time around OS9? when it reckoned it could evolve, from a simple
> > functional FIND utility, and got silly pictures, and channels (whatever
> > they were), and other things that got under my (none-too-thick) skin]

The version for OS9 was OK the OSX one stinks.


> Yep, there was a horrible transition. Sherlock used to do hard drive
> file searching, and was quite good at it. Then there was this Sherlock
> 2 crap, with odd looking pictures and seemingly incongruous features.
> 

I hadn't actually fired up the OSX one till today(stayed with 9)

> It wasn't for a couple of years (IIRC) that the transformation actually
> fit. By that time, file searches had been intergrated into the Finder
> very nicely indeed, and Sherlock was able to retire to its function of
> choice. It is essentially a front for small web apps now, and does a
> great job. Those little tasks the Internet is great for, but for which
> the browser is a far too general and cumbersome interface for, can be
> integrated as functions (called channels I think, eh) in Sherlock,
> providing a simple interface for language translation, map searching,
> plane booking, etc. If only it could be made relevant to countries out
> side the US ;)
> 
But you know it's the only country on earth. ;-)


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annieb

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