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Well, for me, this appears to be one of the worst updates from MW in a 
long time.

Update 8.2 to 8.3->goes fine
use installer option to open IDE and update MSL Libs->ok
rebuild all libraries->fine

Now, open release notes for 8.3 in Finder
->launches new copy of IDE [the same file]
Most likely, this is just due to how the installer launched the IDE, not 
really a problem

So, quit 'both' IDEs, then open release notes again [all the text files 
in '8.3 Update Release Notes'].

Read first one, hit cmd-w
IDE crashes

Re-launch IDE, then open all the release notes
Read a couple [closing window's as I go along]
IDE crashes

Now, after removing the Metrowerks folder and com.metrowerks.IDE.plist 
from my Preferences folder:

Either launching the IDE first, then opening all ten 'release' notes 
files or opening all ten files directly [which launches the IDE], it 
crashes every time when I close the 5th window.

And yes, I'll waste my time sending in a formal bug report...

Later,
-- 
David Rehring               Psychos do not explode when light hits
Senior Software Engineer    them, no matter how crazy they are...
Atimi Software, Inc.
www.atimi.com               And totally insane guy!

I wouldn't say that this is one of the worst ones for me, but 8.3 is 
still giving me problems in Jaguar that I was suffering in previous 
versions since loading in jag.

For some reason, IB won't add new class files to a CW project and I find 
it rather inconvenient to have to add them in manually. If it's me, I 
definitely would like to know what I am doing wrong because I would 
rather be concentrating on programming and not futzing around with the 
tools.

I've already removed all preferences and .plist files and even installed 
fresh and I still get the same results.

jord

David Rehring wrote:
> Well, for me, this appears to be one of the worst updates from MW in a 
> long time.
> 
> Update 8.2 to 8.3->goes fine
> use installer option to open IDE and update MSL Libs->ok
> rebuild all libraries->fine
> 
> Now, open release notes for 8.3 in Finder
> ->launches new copy of IDE [the same file]
> Most likely, this is just due to how the installer launched the IDE, not 
> really a problem
> 
> So, quit 'both' IDEs, then open release notes again [all the text files 
> in '8.3 Update Release Notes'].
> 
> Read first one, hit cmd-w
> IDE crashes
> 
> Re-launch IDE, then open all the release notes
> Read a couple [closing window's as I go along]
> IDE crashes
> 
> Now, after removing the Metrowerks folder and com.metrowerks.IDE.plist 
> from my Preferences folder:
> 
> Either launching the IDE first, then opening all ten 'release' notes 
> files or opening all ten files directly [which launches the IDE], it 
> crashes every time when I close the 5th window.
> 
> And yes, I'll waste my time sending in a formal bug report...
> 
> Later,

In article <3DD418E0.4080408@interacivityunlimted.com>,
 "Jordan L. Chilcott" <jchilcott@interacivityunlimted.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't say that this is one of the worst ones for me, but 8.3 is 
> still giving me problems in Jaguar that I was suffering in previous 
> versions since loading in jag.
> 
> For some reason, IB won't add new class files to a CW project and I find 
> it rather inconvenient to have to add them in manually. If it's me, I 
> definitely would like to know what I am doing wrong because I would 
> rather be concentrating on programming and not futzing around with the 
> tools.
> 
> I've already removed all preferences and .plist files and even installed 
> fresh and I still get the same results.
> 
> jord
> 

Well, I open/close windows automatically when I'm working.  I'm not 
interested in an IDE that will crash when I pop open a header file to 
copy a defined constant and close the window.

I'll try a fresh install, then 8.2 and then the 8.3 update and see if 
anything changes.

Later,
-- 
David Rehring                  Psychos do not explode when light hits
VP of Research and Development them, no matter how crazy they are...
Atimi Software, Inc.
www.atimi.com                  And totally insane guy!

In article <drehring-EB3B5F.13160214112002@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net>,
 David Rehring <drehring@shaw.ca> wrote:

>Well, for me, this appears to be one of the worst updates from MW in a 
>long time.

This defintitely is one of the best ever  it is pure gold I don't knwo 
why you are having problems.  But there is always ways to foil us so 
please do try this again and do a clean install to be sure.

>Update 8.2 to 8.3->goes fine
>use installer option to open IDE and update MSL Libs->ok
>rebuild all libraries->fine
>
>Now, open release notes for 8.3 in Finder
>->launches new copy of IDE [the same file]
>Most likely, this is just due to how the installer launched the IDE, not 
>really a problem

You should not have gotten two version of the IDE open unless you happen 
to have two versions of the IDE and even then ...

>And yes, I'll waste my time sending in a formal bug report...

Please do a clean install and I hate to say it but you may want to trash 
the Metrowerks Preferences and rebuild your desktop on OS X too.

Ron

-- 
        Can you really afford not to use CodeWarrior 8.3 ?
Faster compiles, Improve Code Generation, Updated IDE for OS X 10.2
    http://metrowerks.com/MW/Support/Download/default.htm
 
Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com - http://www.metrowerks.com

In article <3DD418E0.4080408@interacivityunlimted.com>,
 "Jordan L. Chilcott" <jchilcott@interacivityunlimted.com> wrote:

>I wouldn't say that this is one of the worst ones for me, but 8.3 is 
>still giving me problems in Jaguar that I was suffering in previous 
>versions since loading in jag.
>
>For some reason, IB won't add new class files to a CW project and I find 
>it rather inconvenient to have to add them in manually. If it's me, I 
>definitely would like to know what I am doing wrong because I would 
>rather be concentrating on programming and not futzing around with the 
>tools.

You have to touch and rebuild in CW 8.2  but I thought this was fixed.  
Can you send me a better description.

>I've already removed all preferences and .plist files and even installed 
>fresh and I still get the same results.

Ron

-- 
        Can you really afford not to use CodeWarrior 8.3 ?
Faster compiles, Improve Code Generation, Updated IDE for OS X 10.2
    http://metrowerks.com/MW/Support/Download/default.htm
 
Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com - http://www.metrowerks.com

> 
> Well, I open/close windows automatically when I'm working.  I'm not 
> interested in an IDE that will crash when I pop open a header file to 
> copy a defined constant and close the window.
> 
> I'll try a fresh install, then 8.2 and then the 8.3 update and see if 
> anything changes.

Well, from doing a fresh install, it seems that the CodeWarrior updaters 
don't work properly if you rename the IDE.  So, I've been using the 8.0 
IDE all along, with the various other components being updated properly.

This is extremely lame for the installer to succeed, yet not actually 
perform the update correctly.

However, doing the fresh install does appear to resolve the closing 
issue I had originally.

Later,
-- 
David Rehring                  Psychos do not explode when light hits
VP of Research and Development them, no matter how crazy they are...
Atimi Software, Inc.
www.atimi.com                  And totally insane guy!

In article <mwron-960ED4.12541614112002@enews.newsguy.com>,
 MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

> CodeWarrior Development Tools For Mac OS, v8.3 Update is available

Downloaded and installed the update. Rebuilding projects went without a 
glitch. So far it seems a good update. Thanks!

The only thing I don't really like is that MW opens the projects that 
was open the last time it was quit. If I double click another project, 
then MW starts up opening that one plus what was open last time. It's a 
hassle to close the unwanted projects. 

Adriaan

In article <reply-39C0A6.10580315112002@xfire.aist.go.jp>,
 Adriaan Tijsseling <reply@newsgroup.com> wrote:

>The only thing I don't really like is that MW opens the projects that 
>was open the last time it was quit. If I double click another project, 
>then MW starts up opening that one plus what was open last time. It's a 
>hassle to close the unwanted projects. 

In the Edit Menu - Preferences... General - IDE Extras  deselect Use 
Default Workspace.  That will open what ever you shut down with.

Ron

-- 
        Can you really afford not to use CodeWarrior 8.3 ?
Faster compiles, Improve Code Generation, Updated IDE for OS X 10.2
    http://metrowerks.com/MW/Support/Download/default.htm
 
Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com - http://www.metrowerks.com

In article <drehring-D2562E.14422414112002@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net>,
 David Rehring <drehring@shaw.ca> wrote:

>Well, from doing a fresh install, it seems that the CodeWarrior updaters 
>don't work properly if you rename the IDE.

No they worked properly if you rename the IDE, that was the problem.  
What you considered correctly and what the designers considered 
correctly are two different things :)

  So, I've been using the 8.0 
>IDE all along, with the various other components being updated properly.
>
>This is extremely lame for the installer to succeed, yet not actually 
>perform the update correctly.

I wish if there was a component that didn't install it would say 
installation failure and pop up the installer log and save you having to 
read through it.

>However, doing the fresh install does appear to resolve the closing 
>issue I had originally.

I'm sure you are going to be much happier,  I'm really bullish on this 
release.  It isn't perfect but we did a lot of work on it.

Ron

-- 
        Can you really afford not to use CodeWarrior 8.3 ?
Faster compiles, Improve Code Generation, Updated IDE for OS X 10.2
    http://metrowerks.com/MW/Support/Download/default.htm
 
Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com - http://www.metrowerks.com

I don't know if touch and rebuild will help in this case. If I create a 
new Cocoa Application Project and then go into Interface Builder and 
create a new class (say I create a subclass NewObject from NSObject), 
when I create the files for the class, they do not get added to the 
project, despite being asked on the file selector sheet if I want to add 
them to the Cocoa Debug and Cocoa Final targets. The CWIB.Bundle is 
installed. I also tested against a fresh CW install updated to 8.3.

Is that a little clearer? Even more so, have I not done something that I 
should have done?

jord

MW Ron wrote:
> 
> You have to touch and rebuild in CW 8.2  but I thought this was fixed.  
> Can you send me a better description.
> 
> Ron
> 

In article <mwron-E16816.21491514112002@enews.newsguy.com>,
 MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

> In article <drehring-D2562E.14422414112002@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net>,
>  David Rehring <drehring@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> >Well, from doing a fresh install, it seems that the CodeWarrior updaters 
> >don't work properly if you rename the IDE.
> 
> No they worked properly if you rename the IDE, that was the problem.  
> What you considered correctly and what the designers considered 
> correctly are two different things :)

I can't believe you are saying that it's proper and acceptable for an 
updater to fail to update one of the most important files in your 
product and still report success.

> > So, I've been using the 8.0 
> >IDE all along, with the various other components being updated properly.
> >
> >This is extremely lame for the installer to succeed, yet not actually 
> >perform the update correctly.
> 
> I wish if there was a component that didn't install it would say 
> installation failure and pop up the installer log and save you having to 
> read through it.

I did read through the 8.3 installer log.  There no mention of a file 
not found or an update problem.  And it's impossible for me as an 
end-user to know if a 'line' is missing from the log.

Later,
-- 
David Rehring                  Psychos do not explode when light hits
VP of Research and Development them, no matter how crazy they are...
Atimi Software, Inc.
www.atimi.com                  And totally insane guy!

In article <3DD46BF7.2070100@interactivityunlimited.com>,
 "Jordan L. Chilcott" <jchilcott@interactivityunlimited.com> wrote:

> I don't know if touch and rebuild will help in this case. If I create a 
> new Cocoa Application Project and then go into Interface Builder and 
> create a new class (say I create a subclass NewObject from NSObject), 
> when I create the files for the class, they do not get added to the 
> project, despite being asked on the file selector sheet if I want to add 
> them to the Cocoa Debug and Cocoa Final targets. The CWIB.Bundle is 
> installed. I also tested against a fresh CW install updated to 8.3.
> 
> Is that a little clearer? Even more so, have I not done something that I 
> should have done?

Do you also have PB open?  If so I think the IB-CW integration doesn't 
work as well... make sure PB is quit.

PB is not open. It's just CW and IB.

jord

Sean McBride wrote:
> 
> Do you also have PB open?  If so I think the IB-CW integration doesn't 
> work as well... make sure PB is quit.

In article <mwron-92097C.21440814112002@enews.newsguy.com>,
 MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

> In article <reply-39C0A6.10580315112002@xfire.aist.go.jp>,
>  Adriaan Tijsseling <reply@newsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> >The only thing I don't really like is that MW opens the projects that 
> >was open the last time it was quit. If I double click another project, 
> >then MW starts up opening that one plus what was open last time. It's a 
> >hassle to close the unwanted projects. 
> 
> In the Edit Menu - Preferences... General - IDE Extras  deselect Use 
> Default Workspace.  That will open what ever you shut down with.

That's not so obvious, that preference... ;)

Thanks for the pointer!

Adriaan

MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message news:<mwron-2E0BF6.17313214112002@enews.newsguy.com>...
> In article <drehring-EB3B5F.13160214112002@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net>,
>  David Rehring <drehring@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> >Well, for me, this appears to be one of the worst updates from MW in a 
> >long time.
> 
> This defintitely is one of the best ever  it is pure gold I don't knwo 
> why you are having problems.  But there is always ways to foil us so 
> please do try this again and do a clean install to be sure.
> 
> >Update 8.2 to 8.3->goes fine
> >use installer option to open IDE and update MSL Libs->ok
> >rebuild all libraries->fine
> >
> >Now, open release notes for 8.3 in Finder
> >->launches new copy of IDE [the same file]
> >Most likely, this is just due to how the installer launched the IDE, not 
> >really a problem
> 
> You should not have gotten two version of the IDE open unless you happen 
> to have two versions of the IDE and even then ...

Well I too somehow got two copies of the IDE open. I think it happened
when I clicked on CodeWarrior from my dock. I'm not what versions the
two copies were. Perhaps the second copy was the old IDE that the
installer put into the trash or perhaps the installer opened the IDE
in a funky way and confused the Finder. I quickly closed them both,
updated my dock shortcut, and haven't had any more problems.

One more thing. What should have opened after the install? I thought
the build libraries project was supposed to open. For me, only the IDE
launched. After I manually opened the libraries project, everything
went very smoothly.

-EJ

P.S. To contact me, please e-mail me at ejc3_at_kagi.com (change the
_at_ to an @).
P.P.S I like your bullishness :)

> MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message
> news:<mwron-2E0BF6.17313214112002@enews.newsguy.com>...
>> In article <drehring-EB3B5F.13160214112002@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net>,
>>  David Rehring <drehring@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, for me, this appears to be one of the worst updates from MW in a
>>> long time.
>> 
>> This defintitely is one of the best ever  it is pure gold

[...]

> P.P.S I like your bullishness :)

It is quite remarkable, is it not?  The bullishness, that is...  I'm
reserving judgement on pure gold.

So far the update has worked flawlessly for me.  Ran the IDE through a
brutal window closing session with no problems and reading your post below,
it really sounds like some old version of the IDE could have been the
offender.

OS X does some unexpected stuff when choosing editors for an open document
event...  It may be well defined at the code level but I think it's safe to
say there are issues when you put the mechanism live on a user's dirty
desktop.  A tough problem to be fair, keeping that db mapping coherent.

It sucks to see MW being vilified there in your post right after this update
because they sure have taken a beating over the window close crash (and
rightly so).  I hope your circumstances are isolated.  I have been using 8.3
for the past 8 hours and it hasn't crashed once.  Things are looking great.
If it keeps going like this, tomorrow I may even screw up the balls to turn
on code completion.  I also received a special bug fix from MW to fix a
linker issue.  I found it incredible that they took time to help me out
while pounding out something as critical to them as 8.3 - I'm not exactly
the head of Microsoft's Mac BU or anything, I'm just a frickin guy and they
gave me a special build of the linkers to address an annoying issue that was
complicating my build process.

My point is that Metrowerks cares about the customers that post on this
newsgroup and that is a very good thing.  I have to pay Apple Computer $195
before they will even talk to me about an issue.  (yeah there are a few ways
around that I know).  Whether or not 8.3 is pure gold (so far so good
though), the support _is_ pure gold and that matters a lot.

+jon

On 11/15/02 2:40 AM, in article
ad65e6c9.0211150240.1f8b63dd@posting.google.com, "EJ" <ec109695@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message
> news:<mwron-2E0BF6.17313214112002@enews.newsguy.com>...
>> In article <drehring-EB3B5F.13160214112002@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net>,
>>  David Rehring <drehring@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, for me, this appears to be one of the worst updates from MW in a
>>> long time.
>> 
>> This defintitely is one of the best ever  it is pure gold I don't knwo
>> why you are having problems.  But there is always ways to foil us so
>> please do try this again and do a clean install to be sure.
>> 
>>> Update 8.2 to 8.3->goes fine
>>> use installer option to open IDE and update MSL Libs->ok
>>> rebuild all libraries->fine
>>> 
>>> Now, open release notes for 8.3 in Finder
>>> ->launches new copy of IDE [the same file]
>>> Most likely, this is just due to how the installer launched the IDE, not
>>> really a problem
>> 
>> You should not have gotten two version of the IDE open unless you happen
>> to have two versions of the IDE and even then ...
> 
> Well I too somehow got two copies of the IDE open. I think it happened
> when I clicked on CodeWarrior from my dock. I'm not what versions the
> two copies were. Perhaps the second copy was the old IDE that the
> installer put into the trash or perhaps the installer opened the IDE
> in a funky way and confused the Finder. I quickly closed them both,
> updated my dock shortcut, and haven't had any more problems.
> 
> One more thing. What should have opened after the install? I thought
> the build libraries project was supposed to open. For me, only the IDE
> launched. After I manually opened the libraries project, everything
> went very smoothly.
> 
> -EJ
> 
> P.S. To contact me, please e-mail me at ejc3_at_kagi.com (change the
> _at_ to an @).
> P.P.S I like your bullishness :)

In article <ad65e6c9.0211150240.1f8b63dd@posting.google.com>,
 ec109695@yahoo.com (EJ) wrote:

>Well I too somehow got two copies of the IDE open. I think it happened
>when I clicked on CodeWarrior from my dock.

You must have had two copies of the IDE  perhaps like Dave you renamed 
on.

The "desktop file" in OS X can be rebuilt by removing the three files
beginning "LS" in "~/Library/Preferences" and restarting Finder.

>One more thing. What should have opened after the install? I thought
>the build libraries project was supposed to open. For me, only the IDE
>launched. After I manually opened the libraries project, everything
>went very smoothly.

Cool it probably got confused if you have more than one IDE.

Ron

-- 
        Can you really afford not to use CodeWarrior 8.3 ?
Faster compiles, Improve Code Generation, Updated IDE for OS X 10.2
    http://metrowerks.com/MW/Support/Download/default.htm
 
Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com - http://www.metrowerks.com

In article <drehring-791695.20103514112002@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net>,
 David Rehring <drehring@shaw.ca> wrote:


>> No they worked properly if you rename the IDE, that was the problem.  
 
>I can't believe you are saying that it's proper and acceptable for an 
>updater to fail to update one of the most important files in your 
>product and still report success.

No I was saying that is how it was designed,  so that you can't update a 
incorrect version.
 
>I did read through the 8.3 installer log.  There no mention of a file 
>not found or an update problem.  And it's impossible for me as an 
>end-user to know if a 'line' is missing from the log.

Sorry, you are right, on both accounts,  there should be some sort of 
install failure message and a list of what was not installed or updated.

Ron

-- 
        Can you really afford not to use CodeWarrior 8.3 ?
Faster compiles, Improve Code Generation, Updated IDE for OS X 10.2
    http://metrowerks.com/MW/Support/Download/default.htm
 
Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com - http://www.metrowerks.com

In article <mwron-A84177.10263515112002@enews.newsguy.com>, MW Ron
<mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:

> The "desktop file" in OS X can be rebuilt by removing the three files
> beginning "LS" in "~/Library/Preferences" and restarting Finder.

I don't think that's true any more as of Jaguar.  I think there's
something in ~/Library/Caches.

I ran into a problem with the update.  I did a fresh install of 8.0,
then applied the 8.2 update, then applied the 8.3 update.  Thereafter,
when I double-clicked the IDE icon, nothing happened.  I examined the
file with Resorcerer and noticed that the bundle bit was not set. 
After fixing that, the application opened OK.  This is under OS 10.2.2.

BTW, David I didn't mean any of that below to be negative towards you or
anyone else who voices complaints about CodeWarrior...  It's very
frustrating when your tools aren't behaving like you're used to.

+jon

On 11/15/02 5:10 AM, in article B9FA324B.2D965%jon@rocketnetwork.com, "Jon
Gamble" <jon@rocketnetwork.com> wrote:

>> MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message
>> news:<mwron-2E0BF6.17313214112002@enews.newsguy.com>...
>>> In article <drehring-EB3B5F.13160214112002@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net>,
>>>  David Rehring <drehring@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well, for me, this appears to be one of the worst updates from MW in a
>>>> long time.
>>> 
>>> This defintitely is one of the best ever  it is pure gold
> 
> [...]
> 
>> P.P.S I like your bullishness :)
> 
> It is quite remarkable, is it not?  The bullishness, that is...  I'm
> reserving judgement on pure gold.
> 
> So far the update has worked flawlessly for me.  Ran the IDE through a
> brutal window closing session with no problems and reading your post below,
> it really sounds like some old version of the IDE could have been the
> offender.
> 
> OS X does some unexpected stuff when choosing editors for an open document
> event...  It may be well defined at the code level but I think it's safe to
> say there are issues when you put the mechanism live on a user's dirty
> desktop.  A tough problem to be fair, keeping that db mapping coherent.
> 
> It sucks to see MW being vilified there in your post right after this update
> because they sure have taken a beating over the window close crash (and
> rightly so).  I hope your circumstances are isolated.  I have been using 8.3
> for the past 8 hours and it hasn't crashed once.  Things are looking great.
> If it keeps going like this, tomorrow I may even screw up the balls to turn
> on code completion.  I also received a special bug fix from MW to fix a
> linker issue.  I found it incredible that they took time to help me out
> while pounding out something as critical to them as 8.3 - I'm not exactly
> the head of Microsoft's Mac BU or anything, I'm just a frickin guy and they
> gave me a special build of the linkers to address an annoying issue that was
> complicating my build process.
> 
> My point is that Metrowerks cares about the customers that post on this
> newsgroup and that is a very good thing.  I have to pay Apple Computer $195
> before they will even talk to me about an issue.  (yeah there are a few ways
> around that I know).  Whether or not 8.3 is pure gold (so far so good
> though), the support _is_ pure gold and that matters a lot.
> 
> +jon
> 
> On 11/15/02 2:40 AM, in article
> ad65e6c9.0211150240.1f8b63dd@posting.google.com, "EJ" <ec109695@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message
>> news:<mwron-2E0BF6.17313214112002@enews.newsguy.com>...
>>> In article <drehring-EB3B5F.13160214112002@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net>,
>>>  David Rehring <drehring@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well, for me, this appears to be one of the worst updates from MW in a
>>>> long time.
>>> 
>>> This defintitely is one of the best ever  it is pure gold I don't knwo
>>> why you are having problems.  But there is always ways to foil us so
>>> please do try this again and do a clean install to be sure.
>>> 
>>>> Update 8.2 to 8.3->goes fine
>>>> use installer option to open IDE and update MSL Libs->ok
>>>> rebuild all libraries->fine
>>>> 
>>>> Now, open release notes for 8.3 in Finder
>>>> ->launches new copy of IDE [the same file]
>>>> Most likely, this is just due to how the installer launched the IDE, not
>>>> really a problem
>>> 
>>> You should not have gotten two version of the IDE open unless you happen
>>> to have two versions of the IDE and even then ...
>> 
>> Well I too somehow got two copies of the IDE open. I think it happened
>> when I clicked on CodeWarrior from my dock. I'm not what versions the
>> two copies were. Perhaps the second copy was the old IDE that the
>> installer put into the trash or perhaps the installer opened the IDE
>> in a funky way and confused the Finder. I quickly closed them both,
>> updated my dock shortcut, and haven't had any more problems.
>> 
>> One more thing. What should have opened after the install? I thought
>> the build libraries project was supposed to open. For me, only the IDE
>> launched. After I manually opened the libraries project, everything
>> went very smoothly.
>> 
>> -EJ
>> 
>> P.S. To contact me, please e-mail me at ejc3_at_kagi.com (change the
>> _at_ to an @).
>> P.P.S I like your bullishness :)
> 

In article <151120020916012527%osxNOSPAM@jwwalker.com.invalid>,
 "James W. Walker" <osxNOSPAM@jwwalker.com.invalid> wrote:

>In article <mwron-A84177.10263515112002@enews.newsguy.com>, MW Ron
><mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote:
>
>> The "desktop file" in OS X can be rebuilt by removing the three files
>> beginning "LS" in "~/Library/Preferences" and restarting Finder.
>
>I don't think that's true any more as of Jaguar.  I think there's
>something in ~/Library/Caches.
>
>I ran into a problem with the update.  I did a fresh install of 8.0,
>then applied the 8.2 update, then applied the 8.3 update.  Thereafter,
>when I double-clicked the IDE icon, nothing happened.  I examined the
>file with Resorcerer and noticed that the bundle bit was not set. 
>After fixing that, the application opened OK.  This is under OS 10.2.2.

All I can say is weired  I'll keep looking for similar posts and see if 
this was more than a freak occurance.

Ron

-- 
        Can you really afford not to use CodeWarrior 8.3 ?
Faster compiles, Improve Code Generation, Updated IDE for OS X 10.2
    http://metrowerks.com/MW/Support/Download/default.htm
 
Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com - http://www.metrowerks.com

In article <drehring-D2562E.14422414112002@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net>,
 David Rehring <drehring@shaw.ca> wrote:

> This is extremely lame for the installer to succeed, yet not actually 
> perform the update correctly.

Yeah, but in Metrowerks' defense I doubt very much it is their code. 
I've had similiar problems setting up updaters with VISE.

VISE really is a tool that survives on the Mac only because it had a 
virtual stranglehold on the Mac installer market. But don't listen to 
me; I feel the same way about CodeWarrior on bad days. :)

In article <3DD418E0.4080408@interacivityunlimted.com>,
 "Jordan L. Chilcott" <jchilcott@interacivityunlimted.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't say that this is one of the worst ones for me, but 8.3 is 
> still giving me problems in Jaguar that I was suffering in previous 
> versions since loading in jag.
> 
> For some reason, IB won't add new class files to a CW project and I find 
> it rather inconvenient to have to add them in manually. If it's me, I 
> definitely would like to know what I am doing wrong because I would 
> rather be concentrating on programming and not futzing around with the 
> tools.
> 
> I've already removed all preferences and .plist files and even installed 
> fresh and I still get the same results.

When IB wants to add the class files to the CodeWarrior project, it just 
ends up sending an "add files" AppleEvent to the IDE.  If the target 
you're adding the files to does not have a valid filemapping for this 
class (presumably .m or .mm in this case) then it will fail.  Can you 
send in a bug report and we'll investigate to see if any other problem 
might be occurring.

-- 
Isaac Wankerl
Metrowerks
Mac Software Developer

On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 9:16:03 -0800, James W. Walker wrote
(in message <151120020916012527%osxNOSPAM@jwwalker.com.invalid>):

> I ran into a problem with the update.  I did a fresh install of 8.0,
> then applied the 8.2 update, then applied the 8.3 update.  Thereafter,
> when I double-clicked the IDE icon, nothing happened.  I examined the
> file with Resorcerer and noticed that the bundle bit was not set. 
> After fixing that, the application opened OK.  This is under OS 10.2.2.

I've noticed in previous updates that same problem.  Moreover, I've noticed 
an intermittent CodeWarrior bug (and filed a report a few months ago) 
regarding just that subject: it sometimes fails to set the bundle bit of the 
applications it builds, even though I've set the preference to do that.  I 
don't know if that's ever been fixed, I received no status report after 
filing the bug.  I wonder if that same bug is manifesting here.

In article <sdfisher-B940AC.12450115112002@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net>,
 Steven Fisher <sdfisher@spamcop.net> wrote:

> In article <drehring-D2562E.14422414112002@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net>,
>  David Rehring <drehring@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> > This is extremely lame for the installer to succeed, yet not actually 
> > perform the update correctly.
> 
> Yeah, but in Metrowerks' defense I doubt very much it is their code. 
> I've had similiar problems setting up updaters with VISE.

I'm pretty sure that previous updates [as in, before the current OS X 
trend of hardcoding the path and name of applications began], MW 
updaters did 'find' the IDE by type/creator instead of a relative 
path/filename.

Having used UpdaterVISE myself and the fact that CW currently is a 
non-bundled PEF application makes it pretty straightforward to 'fix' so 
that those of us that need to have multiple installations can tell them 
apart [not run them at the same time, but be able to easily launch the 
correct one].

Apple got raked over the coals about this for their OS X applications 
and they seem to be slowly fixing it for some of them...

Later,
-- 
David Rehring                  Psychos do not explode when light hits
VP of Research and Development them, no matter how crazy they are...
Atimi Software, Inc.
www.atimi.com                  And totally insane guy!

MW Ron <mwron@metrowerks.com> wrote in message news:<mwron-A84177.10263515112002@enews.newsguy.com>...
> In article <ad65e6c9.0211150240.1f8b63dd@posting.google.com>,
>  ec109695@yahoo.com (EJ) wrote:
> 
> >Well I too somehow got two copies of the IDE open. I think it happened
> >when I clicked on CodeWarrior from my dock.
> 
> You must have had two copies of the IDE  perhaps like Dave you renamed 
> on.
> 

I did not have two copies of the IDE until AFTER the install. The
installer placed a bunch of old files in the trash, including version
5.0 of the IDE. So after the install, I had a copy of CodeWarrior IDE
in ~/.Trash/ and in /Applications/Metrowerks CodeWarrior 8.0/. I
believe these were the two versions that were launched though I can't
be positive.

-EJ

One oddity I am seeing after updating to 8.3, rebuilding pre-compiled 
headers and libraries, under Mac OS X 10.2.2, is that a log file is 
always created even if the "Log System Messages" is unchecked in the 
project's settings.

You can recreate this problem by creating a project from the "Mac OS C 
Stationery", then in the "Select project stationery" dialog choose "C 
Toolbox Mach-O".  Build the project, then run the debugger.  A log file 
is opened up for the debugging session even though "Log System Messages" 
is unchecked in the project's settings.  I have updated two different 
computers to 8.3 and both exhibit the same problem.

Looking at the release notes for the debugger I noticed the following 
entry:

"Creating a debugger log file no longer crashes on 10.2."

Is this a bug or a feature change to always have logging turned on?  Is 
there any way to turn logging off because I don't want to having logging 
turned on all the time?  Thanks.

ec109695@yahoo.com (EJ) wrote in message news:<ad65e6c9.0211160024.7e5b7aa3@posting.google.com>...

> > >Well I too somehow got two copies of the IDE open. I think it happened
> > >when I clicked on CodeWarrior from my dock.
> > 
> > You must have had two copies of the IDE  perhaps like Dave you renamed 
> > on.
> > 
> 
> I did not have two copies of the IDE until AFTER the install. The
> installer placed a bunch of old files in the trash, including version
> 5.0 of the IDE. So after the install, I had a copy of CodeWarrior IDE
> in ~/.Trash/ and in /Applications/Metrowerks CodeWarrior 8.0/. I
> believe these were the two versions that were launched though I can't
> be positive.

When I installed 8.3 and chose the update libraries option it started
the IDE and at that point added a new copy of the icon to the dock.

I dragged the old icon to the trash and selected "keep in dock" for
the new one, and have since emptied the trash so I can't get any more
information now.

The previous icon was there because I'd picked "keep in dock" at some
earlier time, but I've no idea how I'd launched the app when I made
that pick (not that I'd expect it to have any effect).

Arvan

In article <thunter9-6449FF.15072316112002@t01.atl2.webusenet.com>,
 Todd Hunter <thunter9@pacbell.net> wrote:

>One oddity I am seeing after updating to 8.3, rebuilding pre-compiled 
>headers and libraries, under Mac OS X 10.2.2, is that a log file is 
>always created even if the "Log System Messages" is unchecked in the 
>project's settings.

That is different

>You can recreate this problem by creating a project from the "Mac OS C 
>Stationery", then in the "Select project stationery" dialog choose "C 
>Toolbox Mach-O".  Build the project, then run the debugger.  A log file 
>is opened up for the debugging session even though "Log System Messages" 
>is unchecked in the project's settings.  I have updated two different 
>computers to 8.3 and both exhibit the same problem.

Right, did this not do this for you previously,  I thought it always 
did.  :)

>Looking at the release notes for the debugger I noticed the following 
>entry:
>
>"Creating a debugger log file no longer crashes on 10.2."
>
>Is this a bug or a feature change to always have logging turned on?  Is 
>there any way to turn logging off because I don't want to having logging 
>turned on all the time?  Thanks.

I'll check,  I believe the setting in the preferences is to log system 
messages not turn on Logging.

Ron

-- 
        Can you really afford not to use CodeWarrior 8.3 ?
Faster compiles, Improve Code Generation, Updated IDE for OS X 10.2
    http://metrowerks.com/MW/Support/Download/default.htm
 
Ron Liechty - MWRon@metrowerks.com - http://www.metrowerks.com

In article <spam-FE161B.14593115112002@news.mtwk.sps.mot.com>,
Isaac Wankerl  <spam@metrowerks.com> wrote:
>In article <3DD418E0.4080408@interacivityunlimted.com>,
> "Jordan L. Chilcott" <jchilcott@interacivityunlimted.com> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't say that this is one of the worst ones for me, but 8.3 is 
>> still giving me problems in Jaguar that I was suffering in previous 
>> versions since loading in jag.
>> 
>> For some reason, IB won't add new class files to a CW project and I find 
>> it rather inconvenient to have to add them in manually. If it's me, I 
>> definitely would like to know what I am doing wrong because I would 
>> rather be concentrating on programming and not futzing around with the 
>> tools.
>> 
>> I've already removed all preferences and .plist files and even installed 
>> fresh and I still get the same results.
>
>When IB wants to add the class files to the CodeWarrior project, it just 
>ends up sending an "add files" AppleEvent to the IDE.  If the target 
>you're adding the files to does not have a valid filemapping for this 
>class (presumably .m or .mm in this case) then it will fail.  Can you 
>send in a bug report and we'll investigate to see if any other problem 
>might be occurring.

fwiw, I'm seeing the same thing, but I'm not adding new classes every day
so it's not irritating me as much.

I have a cocoa app in progress. If I double-click one of the nibs and go
into IB, then subclass "JoeRandomClass" as "MyJoeRandomClass" then go to
Tools->Create Files for classocoa app in progress. If I double-click one of
the nibs and go into IB, then subclass "JoeRandomClass" as
"MyJoeRandomClass" then 'Create Classes for MyJoeRandomClass', I get a
sheet whichd asks me if I want to add the files to both debug and final
targets. I agree. They don't get added.

I have some fuzzy recollection that it worked way back when, before Jaguar
and 8.2, but I only had CW for a short while before the updates came
out. It's still broken in 8.3

-Liz