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On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
> the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...

[Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:

- Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction
- Anyone labelled as an "enemy combatant" is too dangerous to
  have the rights of counsel, to know the charges against them,
  to be tried in a court, to face their accuser, etc.
- Osama bin Laden and nineteen poorly trained arab terrorists,
  hijacked sophisticated commercial airlines, brought down the
  Twin Towers, and punched a small hole in the Pentagon.
- North Vietnamese patrol boats attacked U.S. warships in the Gulf
  of Tonken.
- Israel's attack on the U.S.S. Liberty was just a big mistake.
- John Kennedy's assassination was the work of a single deranged
  fanatic.
- "Greed is good."
- We need more immigrant workers in the U.S. because most americans
are too lazy to work for low wages.
- We need to study global warming more, before we wreck our economy
over expensive solutions that won't work.
- service sector jobs produce just as much wealth as do actual
manufacturing productions jobs.

The war in Iraq is not over because the american people have lost
control of their government.  [Period][end of story]

All of this B.S. about Islamo-fascism is just another made-to-order
boogey man manufactured to scare the masses in to more mindless
support of insane policies and needless bloodshed.

Cheers,
Larry G.
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:58:34 -0700, "LarryG@Yahuu.com"
<larryg_uu@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
>> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
>> the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>>
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...
>
>[Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
>old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
>opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:
>
>- Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction

You meant "had" WMDs. Everyone and their dog knew that.

>- Anyone labelled as an "enemy combatant" is too dangerous to
>  have the rights of counsel, to know the charges against them,
>  to be tried in a court, to face their accuser, etc.

By definition, they do not have access to our legal system. {Think
"Spies"}

>- Osama bin Laden and nineteen poorly trained arab terrorists,
>  hijacked sophisticated commercial airlines, brought down the
>  Twin Towers, and punched a small hole in the Pentagon.

It wasn't a small hole in the Pentagon, ya moron.


Yes, folks... Larry IS this stupid.

Mike Smith

Why is the war in Iraq not over yet ?



Because we are pussyfooting around and not creating mass casualties as
we should be.

On Jun 30, 6:52 am, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:58:34 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>
> <larryg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
> >> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
> >> the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>
> >>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...
>
> >[Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
> >old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
> >opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:
>
> >- Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction
>
> You meant "had" WMDs. Everyone and their dog knew that.

No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.

Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.



> >- Anyone labelled as an "enemy combatant" is too dangerous to
> >  have the rights of counsel, to know the charges against them,
> >  to be tried in a court, to face their accuser, etc.
>
> By definition, they do not have access to our legal system. {Think
> "Spies"}

So much for everyone's civil rights, and the pressumption of
innocence.  IIRC, trials of spies are publicly held in civilian
criminal courts, not military tribunals.  Check your history.


>
> >- Osama bin Laden and nineteen poorly trained arab terrorists,
> >  hijacked sophisticated commercial airlines, brought down the
> >  Twin Towers, and punched a small hole in the Pentagon.
>
> It wasn't a small hole in the Pentagon, ya moron.

It WAS smaller than the width of the fuselage of the airliner they
*claimed* hit the Pentagon.  There were no impact marks or holes
for the huge engines that should have impacted the outside wall.
And there really wasn't sufficient debris to indicate that a large
commercial jet was responsible for the damage.

Get your facts straight before you embarass yourself further.

Cheers,
Larry G.


> Yes, folks... Larry IS this stupid.
>
> Mike Smith

In news:1183224532.446187.198580@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
LarryG@Yahuu.com <larryg_uu@yahoo.com>spewed forth:
> On Jun 30, 6:52 am, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:58:34 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>>
>> <larryg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
>>>> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
>>>> the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>>
>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...
>>
>>> [Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
>>> old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
>>> opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:
>>
>>> - Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction
>>
>> You meant "had" WMDs. Everyone and their dog knew that.
>
> No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
> presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
> Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>
> Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.


BULLSHIT

http://editors.sipri.se/pubs/Factsheet/unscom.html


The Iraqi non-conventional weapon programmes: summary tables


Biological weapons

1. Holdings declared by Iraq *

      Anthrax  8 400 litres

      Botulinum toxin  19 000 litres

      Clostridium (gas gangrene)  3 400 litres

      Aflatoxin  2 200 litres

      Ricin  10 litres



2. BW munitions

      Scud missile warheads (al-Hussein)  25

        anthrax  5

        botulinum toxin  16

        aflatoxin  4

      Aerial bombs  157

        anthrax  50

        botulinum toxin  100

        aflatoxin  7

      Aerial dispensers  4



3. Other munitions tested for BW

155-mm artillery shells
Artillery rockets
MiG-21 drone
Aerosol generators


Chemical weapons

1. Holdings declared by Iraq

       Mustard gas  500-600 tonnes

       G agents (sarin, tabun)  100-150 tonnes

       VX **  50-100 tonnes



* In addition 39 tonnes of growth medium required for BW production were 
imported in 1988, of which 17 tonnes remain unaccounted for. The litre unit, 
however, gives no indication of the concentration of the agent in the 
slurry.
** UNSCOM estimates that 50-100 tonnes were produced before 1990. Iraq 
declared 3.9 tonnes produced between 1988 and 1990 and unilaterally 
destroyed.

2. CW munitions

Aerial bombs (of which 3 contained VX)
Aerial spray dispensers
1 122-mm rocket containing VX
120-mm rockets


Ballistic missiles

      Scud B (300-km range) 819 operational
      al-Hussein (650-km range) in development
      al-Abbas (950-km range) in development
      SS-21 short-range ballistic missile launcher turned over to UNSCOM in 
1995
      al-Samoud missile (150-km range) permitted under UN Security Council 
Resolution 687


In the past six years (as of February 1998), UNSCOM has destroyed or 
supervised the destruction of:


38 537 filled and empty CW munitions
480 000 litres (690 tonnes) of CW agents
>3000 tonnes of precursor chemicals
8 types of delivery systems
The al-Hakam BW production facility
48 Scud missiles
6 operational mobile launchers
28 operational fixed launch pads
32 fixed launch pads under construction
30 chemical warheads
14 conventional warheads
Other related equipment


The following items remain unaccounted for:


Scud missile components, warheads and propellant
17 tonnes of growth media for the production of BW agents
Items of CW production equipment
4000 tonnes of CW precursors
750 tonnes of VX precursors
100 al-Hussein missiles
31 000 CW munitions
20 R-17 Scud-B -type missiles
40-70 CBW-capable missile warheads
Significant quantities of biological warfare agents
Significant quantities of 155-mm ammunition rounds

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:52:38 GMT, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:58:34 -0700, "LarryG@Yahuu.com"
><larryg_uu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
>>> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
>>> the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>>>
>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...
>>
>>[Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
>>old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
>>opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:
>>
>>- Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction
>
>You meant "had" WMDs. Everyone and their dog knew that.
>
>>- Anyone labelled as an "enemy combatant" is too dangerous to
>>  have the rights of counsel, to know the charges against them,
>>  to be tried in a court, to face their accuser, etc.
>
>By definition, they do not have access to our legal system. {Think
>"Spies"}
>
>>- Osama bin Laden and nineteen poorly trained arab terrorists,
>>  hijacked sophisticated commercial airlines, brought down the
>>  Twin Towers, and punched a small hole in the Pentagon.
>
>It wasn't a small hole in the Pentagon, ya moron.
>
>
>Yes, folks... Larry IS this stupid.
>
>Mike Smith

Yes, folks... Moron Mikey IS this stupid.

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:23:32 -0500, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

>
>(2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
>the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
 
The war with Iraq IS over. The west is engaged in an effort to control
radical Islamic Terrorist. The most visible action happens to be in
Iraq at the present time.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:05:14 -0000, joe dopebucket
<joedopebucket@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Why is the war in Iraq not over yet ?
>
>
>
>Because we are pussyfooting around and not creating mass casualties as
>we should be.

The last war in which the US was victorious involved our use of
nuclear weapons.  Since the Japanese became Westernized as a result,
perhaps the same "nuclear strategy" would demonstrate who kicks ass.
Sending our troops to be blown apart in hand to hand, like the Middle
Ages is a truly American concept of macho warfare.  Like Patton said,
"No one ever won a war by dying for their country.  You win the war by
making the other poor son of a bitch die for his country."  Nuke 'em
and Westernize 'em.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:05:14 -0000, joe dopebucket
<joedopebucket@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Why is the war in Iraq not over yet ?
>
>
>
>Because we are pussyfooting around and not creating mass casualties as
>we should be.

The last war in which the US was victorious involved our use of
nuclear weapons.  Since the Japanese became Westernized as a result,
perhaps the same "nuclear strategy" would demonstrate who kicks ass.
Sending our troops to be blown apart in hand to hand, like the Middle
Ages is a truly American concept of macho warfare.  Like Patton said,
"No one ever won a war by dying for their country.  You win the war by
making the other poor son of a bitch die for his country."  Nuke 'em
and Westernize 'em.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:20:17 GMT, bo_dacious@mactan.org wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:23:32 -0500, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:
>
>>
>>(2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
>>the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
> 
>The war with Iraq IS over. The west is engaged in an effort to control
>radical Islamic Terrorist. The most visible action happens to be in
>Iraq at the present time.

Right.

Perhaps I should have used the word "violence" instead of "war"?

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:28:52 -0700, "LarryG@Yahuu.com"
<larryg_uu@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jun 30, 6:52 am, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:58:34 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>>
>> <larryg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
>> >> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
>> >> the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>>
>> >>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...
>>
>> >[Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
>> >old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
>> >opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:
>>
>> >- Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction
>>
>> You meant "had" WMDs. Everyone and their dog knew that.
>
>No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>
>Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.

The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...

>
>
>
>> >- Anyone labelled as an "enemy combatant" is too dangerous to
>> >  have the rights of counsel, to know the charges against them,
>> >  to be tried in a court, to face their accuser, etc.
>>
>> By definition, they do not have access to our legal system. {Think
>> "Spies"}
>
>So much for everyone's civil rights, and the pressumption of
>innocence.  IIRC, trials of spies are publicly held in civilian
>criminal courts, not military tribunals.  Check your history.

So you are defending the al qaeda... Why am I NOT surprised...

>
>
>>
>> >- Osama bin Laden and nineteen poorly trained arab terrorists,
>> >  hijacked sophisticated commercial airlines, brought down the
>> >  Twin Towers, and punched a small hole in the Pentagon.
>>
>> It wasn't a small hole in the Pentagon, ya moron.
>
>It WAS smaller than the width of the fuselage of the airliner they
>*claimed* hit the Pentagon.  There were no impact marks or holes
>for the huge engines that should have impacted the outside wall.
>And there really wasn't sufficient debris to indicate that a large
>commercial jet was responsible for the damage.
>
>Get your facts straight before you embarass yourself further.
>
>Cheers,
>Larry G.

Larry, you are a moron. You have NOT the foggiest clue about what
happened at the Pentagon on 9-11-01.

Here are numerous eyewitness accounts:
 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

And, even though you cannot possibly understand just how ignorant you
are, here's another debunking  of your mindless little rant:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6

Mike Smith

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:22:27 GMT, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:

>The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...

It was worse than that (for Larry).  

He didn't refute the argument presented or diminish any of it's
evidence.  He simply changed the subject.

In news:uphd839fp1dsc0febiur6rv336c3bkroj9@4ax.com,
Zeno <Zeno@home.kom>spewed forth:
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:22:27 GMT, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:
>
>> The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...
>
> It was worse than that (for Larry).
>
> He didn't refute the argument presented or diminish any of it's
> evidence.  He simply changed the subject.

he damn sure can't say it's bias<g> 

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:00:42 -0500, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:20:17 GMT, bo_dacious@mactan.org wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:23:32 -0500, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>(2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
>>>the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>> 
>>The war with Iraq IS over. The west is engaged in an effort to control
>>radical Islamic Terrorist. The most visible action happens to be in
>>Iraq at the present time.
>
>Right.
>
>Perhaps I should have used the word "violence" instead of "war"?


Oh, how  difficult it is to call things what they are. That's why you
use the simplistic and vulgar language you do. You haven't the mental
ability to think thinks through and come to a logical conclusion. Why?
Because you're nothing more than a boiler plate puppet.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:15:06 -0500, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:22:27 GMT, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:
>
>>The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...
>
>It was worse than that (for Larry).  
>
>He didn't refute the argument presented or diminish any of it's
>evidence.  He simply changed the subject.


Spiro Jr,  has nothing current in his mind OR his cut and paste file.

Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War

Cheney's Former Company Profits from Supporting Troops
by Pratap Chatterjee, Special to CorpWatch
March 20th, 2003


Contract workers set up tent camp in Kuwait Bob Whistine
Army Materiel Command
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As the first bombs rain down on Baghdad, CorpWatch has learned that 
thousands of employees of Halliburton , Vice President Dick Cheney's 
former company, are working alongside US troops in Kuwait and Turkey 
under a package deal worth close to a billion dollars. According to US 
Army sources, they are building tent cities and providing logistical 
support for the war in Iraq in addition to other hot spots in the "war 
on terrorism."

While recent news coverage has speculated on the post-war 
reconstruction gravy train that corporations like Halliburton stand to 
gain from, this latest information indicates that Halliburton is 
already profiting from war time contracts worth hundreds of millions of 
dollars.

Cheney served as chief executive of Halliburton until he stepped down 
to become George W. Bush's running mate in the 2000 presidential race. 
Today he still draws compensation of up to a million dollars a year 
from the company, although his spokesperson denies that the White House 
helped the company win the contract.

In December 2001, Kellogg, Brown and Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton 
, secured a 10-year deal known as the Logistics Civil Augmentation 
Program (LOGCAP), from the Pentagon. The contract is a 
"cost-plus-award-fee, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity service" 
which basically means that the federal government has an open-ended 
mandate and budget to send Brown and Root anywhere in the world to run 
military operations for a profit.

Linda Theis, a public affairs officer for the U.S. Army Field Support 
Command in Rock Island Arsenal, Illinois, confirmed for Corpwatch that 
Brown and Root is also supporting operations in Afghanistan, Djibouti, 
Georgia, Jordan and Uzbekistan.

"Specific locations along with military units, number of personnel 
assigned, and dates of duration are considered classified," she said. 
"The overall anticipated cost of task orders awarded since contract 
award in December 2001 is approximately $830 million."

Kuwait

The current contract in Kuwait began in September 2002 when Joyce 
Taylor of the U.S. Army Materiel Command's Program Management Office, 
arrived to supervise approximately 1,800 Brown and Root employees to 
set up tent cities that would provide accommodation for tens of 
thousands of soldiers and officials.

Army officials working with Brown and Root says the collaboration is 
helping cut costs by hiring local labor at a fraction of regular Army 
salaries. "We can quickly purchase building materials and hire 
third-country nationals to perform the work. This means a small number 
of combat-service-support soldiers are needed to support this logistic 
aspect of building up an area," says Lt. Col. Rod Cutright, the senior 
LOGCAP planner for all of Southwest Asia.

During the past few weeks, these Brown and Root employees have helped 
transform Kuwait into an armed camp, to support some 80,000 foreign 
troops, roughly the equivalent of 10% of Kuwait's native born 
population.

Most of these troops are now living in the tent cities in the rugged 
desert north of Kuwait City, poised to invade Iraq. Some of the 
encampments are named after the states associated with the attacks of 
Sept. 11, 2001 -- Camp New York, Camp Virginia and Camp Pennsylvania.

The headquarters for this effort is Camp Arifjan, where civilian and 
military employees have built a gravel terrace with plastic picnic 
tables and chairs, surrounded by a gymnasium in a tent, a PX and newly 
arrived fast food outlets such as Burger King, Subway and 
Baskin-Robbins, set up in trailers or shipping containers. Basketball 
hoops and volleyball nets are set up outside the mess hall.

Turkey

North of Iraq approximately 1,500 civilians are working for Brown and 
Root and the United States military near the city of Adana, about an 
hour's drive inland from the Mediterranean coast of central Turkey, 
where they support approximately 1,400 US soldiers staffing Operation 
Northern Watch's Air Force F-15 Strike Eagles and F-16 Fighting Falcons 
monitoring the no-fly zone above the 36th parallel in Iraq.

The jet pilots are catered and housed at the Incirlik military base 
seven miles outside the city by a company named Vinnell, Brown and Root 
(VBR), a joint venture between Brown and Root and Vinnell corporation 
of Fairfax, Virginia, under a contract that was signed on October 1, 
1988, which also includes two more minor military sites in Turkey: 
Ankara and Izmir.

The joint venture's latest contract, which started July 1, 1999 and 
will expire in September 2003, was initially valued at $118 million. US 
Army officials confirm that Brown and Root has been awarded new and 
additional contracts in Turkey in the last year to support the "war on 
terrorism" although they refused to give any details.

"We provide support services for the United States Air Force in areas 
of civil engineering, motor vehicles transportation, in the services 
arena here - that includes food service operations, lodging, and 
maintenance of a golf course. We also do US customs inspection," 
explained VBR site manager Alex Daniels, who has worked at Incirlik for 
almost 15 years.

Cheap labor is also the primary reason for outsourcing services, says 
Major Toni Kemper, head of public affairs at the base. "The reason that 
the military goes to contracting is largely because it's more cost 
effective in certain areas. I mean there was a lot of studies years ago 
as to what services can be provided via contractor versus military 
personnel. Because when we go contract, we don't have to pay health 
care and all the another things for the employees, that's up to the 
employer."

Soon after the contract was signed Incirlik provided a major staging 
post for thousands of sorties flown against Iraq and occupied Kuwait 
during the Gulf war in January 1991 dropping over 3,000 tons of bombs 
on military and civilian targets.

Central Asian Contracts

Still ongoing is the first LOGCAP contract in the "war on terrorism" 
which began in June 2002, when Brown and Root was awarded a $22 million 
deal to run support services at Camp Stronghold Freedom, located at the 
Khanabad air base in central Uzbekistan. Khanabade is one of the main 
US bases in the Afghanistan war that houses some 1,000 US soldiers from 
the Green Berets and the 10th Mountain Division.

In November 2002 Brown and Root began a one-year contract, estimated at 
$42.5 million, to cover services for troops at bases in both Bagram and 
Khandahar. Brown and Root employees were first set to work running 
laundry services, showers, mess halls and installing heaters in 
soldiers' tents.

Future Contracts in Iraq

Halliburton is also one of five large US corporations invited to bid 
for contracts in what may turn out to be the biggest reconstruction 
project since the Second World War. The others are the Bechtel Group, 
Fluor Corp, Parsons Corp, and the Louis Berger Group.

The Iraq reconstruction plan will require contractors to fulfill 
various tasks, including reopening at least half of the "economically 
important roads and bridges" -- about 1,500 miles of roadway within 18 
months, according to the Wall Street Journal.

The contractors will also be asked to repair 15% of high-voltage 
electricity grid, renovate several thousand schools and deliver 550 
emergency generators within two months. The contract is estimated to be 
worth up to $900 million for the preliminary work alone.

The Pentagon has also awarded a contract to Brown and Root to control 
oil fires if Saddam Hussein sets the well heads ablaze. Iraq has oil 
reserves second only to those of Saudi Arabia. This makes Brown and 
Root a leading candidate to win the role of top contractor in any 
petroleum field rehabilitation effort in Iraq that industry analysts 
say could be as much as $1.5 billion in contracts to jump start Iraq's 
petroleum sector following a war.

Wartime Profiteering

Meanwhile Dick Cheney's 2001 financial disclosure statement, states 
that the Halliburton is paying him a "deferred compensation" of up to 
$1million a year following his resignation as chief executive in 2000. 
At the time Cheney opted not to receive his severance package in a lump 
sum, but instead to have it paid to him over five years, possibly for 
tax reasons.

The company would not say how much the payments are. The obligatory 
disclosure statement filled by all top government officials says only 
that they are in the range of $100,000 and $1million. Nor is it clear 
how they are calculated.

Critics say that the apparent conflict of interest is deplorable. "The 
Bush-Cheney team have turned the United States into a family business," 
says Harvey Wasserman, author of The Last Energy War (Seven Stories 
Press, 2000). "That's why we haven't seen Cheney - he's cutting deals 
with his old buddies who gave him a multimillion-dollar golden 
handshake. Have they no grace, no shame, no common sense? Why don't 
they just have Enron run America? Or have Zapata Petroleum (George W. 
Bush's failed oil-exploration venture) build a pipeline across 
Afghanistan?"

Army officials disagree. Major Bill Bigelow, public relations officer 
for the US Army in Western Europe, says: "If you're going to ask a 
specific question - like, do you think it's right that contractors 
profit in wartime - I would think that they might be better [asked] at 
a higher level, to people who set the policy. We don't set the policy, 
we work within the framework that's been established."

"Those questions have been asked forever, because they go back to World 
War Two when Chrysler and Ford and Chevy stopped making cars and 
started making guns and tanks. Obviously it's a question that's been 
around for quite some time. But it's true that nowadays there are very 
few defense contractors, but go back sixty years to the World War Two 
era almost everybody was manufacturing something that either directly 
or indirectly had something to do with defense," he added.

Sasha Lilley and Aaron Glantz helped conduct interviews for this article.

For further reading on Brown and Root's military contracts, see The War 
on Terrorism's Gravy Train by Pratap Chatterjee.

Pratap Chatterjee is an investigative journalist based in Berkeley, 
California. He traveled to Afghanistan and Uzbekistan in January 2002 
and to Incirlik, Turkey, in January 2003 to research this article.
-- 
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in 
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after 
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it 
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a 
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist 
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to 
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL 
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of 
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY 
COUNTRY."
�
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

On 2007-06-30 13:58:53 -0400, "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> said:

> In news:1183224532.446187.198580@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
> LarryG@Yahuu.com <larryg_uu@yahoo.com>spewed forth:
>> On Jun 30, 6:52 am, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:58:34 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>>> 
>>> <larryg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
>>>>> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
>>>>> the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>>> 
>>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...
>>> 
>>>> [Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
>>>> old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
>>>> opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:
>>> 
>>>> - Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction
>>> 
>>> You meant "had" WMDs. Everyone and their dog knew that.
>> 
>> No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>> presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>> Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>> 
>> Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
> 
> 
> BULLSHIT
> 
> http://editors.sipri.se/pubs/Factsheet/unscom.html

From YOUR cite:

1921                   Iraq is created under King Faisal I of the 
Hashemite family
1958    14 July    Hashemite monarchy is overthrown
1968    17 July    Ba'ath Party seizes control of Iraq
1979    16 July    Saddam Hussein becomes president
1980    22 Sep.    Iraq attacks Iran
1984    26 Mar.    A UN document, S/16433, cites the use of CW for the 
first time, referring to an event in 1983
1988    16 Mar.    Saddam attacks Halabja with CW

------------------------------------

RAYGUN AND RUMMSEY GAVE SADDAM THE CW!!!

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg

------------------------------------

The Saddam in Rumsfeld’s Closet
by Jeremy Scahill

“Man and the turtle are very much alike. Neither makes any progress 
without sticking his neck out.”
—Donald Rumsfeld

Five years before Saddam Hussein’s now infamous 1988 gassing of the 
Kurds, a key meeting took place in Baghdad that would play a 
significant role in forging close ties between Saddam Hussein and 
Washington. It happened at a time when Saddam was first alleged to have 
used chemical weapons. The meeting in late December 1983 paved the way 
for an official restoration of relations between Iraq and the US, which 
had been severed since the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

With the Iran-Iraq war escalating, President Ronald Reagan dispatched 
his Middle East envoy, a former secretary of defense, to Baghdad with a 
hand-written letter to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and a message 
that Washington was willing at any moment to resume diplomatic 
relations.

That envoy was Donald Rumsfeld.

Rumsfeld’s December 19-20, 1983 visit to Baghdad made him the 
highest-ranking US official to visit Iraq in 6 years. He met Saddam and 
the two discussed “topics of mutual interest,” according to the Iraqi 
Foreign Ministry. “[Saddam] made it clear that Iraq was not interested 
in making mischief in the world,” Rumsfeld later told The New York 
Times. “It struck us as useful to have a relationship, given that we 
were interested in solving the Mideast problems.”

Just 12 days after the meeting, on January 1, 1984, The Washington Post 
reported that the United States “in a shift in policy, has informed 
friendly Persian Gulf nations that the defeat of Iraq in the 3-year-old 
war with Iran would be ‘contrary to U.S. interests’ and has made 
several moves to prevent that result.”

In March of 1984, with the Iran-Iraq war growing more brutal by the 
day, Rumsfeld was back in Baghdad for meetings with then-Iraqi Foreign 
Minister Tariq Aziz. On the day of his visit, March 24th, UPI reported 
from the United Nations: “Mustard gas laced with a nerve agent has been 
used on Iranian soldiers in the 43-month Persian Gulf War between Iran 
and Iraq, a team of U.N. experts has concluded... Meanwhile, in the 
Iraqi capital of Baghdad, U.S. presidential envoy Donald Rumsfeld held 
talks with Foreign Minister Tarek Aziz (sic) on the Gulf war before 
leaving for an unspecified destination.”

The day before, the Iranian news agency alleged that Iraq launched 
another chemical weapons assault on the southern battlefront, injuring 
600 Iranian soldiers. “Chemical weapons in the form of aerial bombs 
have been used in the areas inspected in Iran by the specialists,” the 
U.N. report said. “The types of chemical agents used were 
bis-(2-chlorethyl)-sulfide, also known as mustard gas, and ethyl N, 
N-dimethylphosphoroamidocyanidate, a nerve agent known as Tabun.”

Prior to the release of the UN report, the US State Department on March 
5th had issued a statement saying “available evidence indicates that 
Iraq has used lethal chemical weapons.”

Commenting on the UN report, US Ambassador Jeane J. Kirkpatrick was 
quoted by The New York Times as saying, “We think that the use of 
chemical weapons is a very serious matter. We've made that clear in 
general and particular.”

Compared with the rhetoric emanating from the current administration, 
based on speculations about what Saddam might have, Kirkpatrick’s 
reaction was hardly a call to action.

Most glaring is that Donald Rumsfeld was in Iraq as the 1984 UN report 
was issued and said nothing about the allegations of chemical weapons 
use, despite State Department “evidence.” On the contrary, The New York 
Times reported from Baghdad on March 29, 1984, “American diplomats 
pronounce themselves satisfied with relations between Iraq and the 
United States and suggest that normal diplomatic ties have been 
restored in all but name.”

A month and a half later, in May 1984, Donald Rumsfeld resigned. In 
November of that year, full diplomatic relations between Iraq and the 
US were fully restored. Two years later, in an article about Rumsfeld’s 
aspirations to run for the 1988 Republican Presidential nomination, the 
Chicago Tribune Magazine listed among Rumsfeld’s achievements helping 
to “reopen U.S. relations with Iraq.” The Tribune failed to mention 
that this help came at a time when, according to the US State 
Department, Iraq was actively using chemical weapons.

Throughout the period that Rumsfeld was Reagan’s Middle East envoy, 
Iraq was frantically purchasing hardware from American firms, empowered 
by the White House to sell. The buying frenzy began immediately after 
Iraq was removed from the list of alleged sponsors of terrorism in 
1982. According to a February 13, 1991 Los Angeles Times article:

“First on Hussein's shopping list was helicopters -- he bought 60 
Hughes helicopters and trainers with little notice. However, a second 
order of 10 twin-engine Bell "Huey" helicopters, like those used to 
carry combat troops in Vietnam, prompted congressional opposition in 
August, 1983... Nonetheless, the sale was approved.”

In 1984, according to The LA Times, the State Department—in the name of 
“increased American penetration of the extremely competitive civilian 
aircraft market”—pushed through the sale of 45 Bell 214ST helicopters 
to Iraq. The helicopters, worth some $200 million, were originally 
designed for military purposes. The New York Times later reported that 
Saddam “transferred many, if not all [of these helicopters] to his 
military.”

In 1988, Saddam’s forces attacked Kurdish civilians with poisonous gas 
from Iraqi helicopters and planes. U.S. intelligence sources told The 
LA Times in 1991, they “believe that the American-built helicopters 
were among those dropping the deadly bombs.”

In response to the gassing, sweeping sanctions were unanimously passed 
by the US Senate that would have denied Iraq access to most US 
technology. The measure was killed by the White House.

Senior officials later told reporters they did not press for punishment 
of Iraq at the time because they wanted to shore up Iraq's ability to 
pursue the war with Iran. Extensive research uncovered no public 
statements by Donald Rumsfeld publicly expressing even remote concern 
about Iraq’s use or possession of chemical weapons until the week Iraq 
invaded Kuwait in August 1990, when he appeared on an ABC news special.

Eight years later, Donald Rumsfeld signed on to an “open letter” to 
President Clinton, calling on him to eliminate “the threat posed by 
Saddam.” It urged Clinton to “provide the leadership necessary to save 
ourselves and the world from the scourge of Saddam and the weapons of 
mass destruction that he refuses to relinquish.”

In 1984, Donald Rumsfeld was in a position to draw the world’s 
attention to Saddam’s chemical threat. He was in Baghdad as the UN 
concluded that chemical weapons had been used against Iran. He was 
armed with a fresh communication from the State Department that it had 
“available evidence” Iraq was using chemical weapons. But Rumsfeld said 
nothing.

Washington now speaks of Saddam’s threat and the consequences of a 
failure to act. Despite the fact that the administration has failed to 
provide even a shred of concrete proof that Iraq has links to Al Qaeda 
or has resumed production of chemical or biological agents, Rumsfeld 
insists that “the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

But there is evidence of the absence of Donald Rumsfeld’s voice at the 
very moment when Iraq’s alleged threat to international security first 
emerged. And in this case, the evidence of absence is indeed evidence.

Jeremy Scahill is an independent journalist. He reports frequently for 
Free Speech Radio News and Democracy Now! In May and June 2002, he 
reported from Iraq. He can be reached at jeremybgd@yahoo.com.


-- 
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in 
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after 
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it 
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a 
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist 
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to 
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL 
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of 
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY 
COUNTRY."
 
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

On 2007-06-30 16:22:27 -0400, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> said:

> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:28:52 -0700, "LarryG@Yahuu.com"
> <larryg_uu@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Jun 30, 6:52 am, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:58:34 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>>> 
>>> <larryg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
>>>>> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
>>>>> the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>>> 
>>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...
>>> 
>>>> [Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
>>>> old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
>>>> opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:
>>> 
>>>> - Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction
>>> 
>>> You meant "had" WMDs. Everyone and their dog knew that.
>> 
>> No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>> presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>> Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>> 
>> Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
> 
> The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> - Anyone labelled as an "enemy combatant" is too dangerous to
>>>> have the rights of counsel, to know the charges against them,
>>>> to be tried in a court, to face their accuser, etc.
>>> 
>>> By definition, they do not have access to our legal system. {Think
>>> "Spies"}
>> 
>> So much for everyone's civil rights, and the pressumption of
>> innocence.  IIRC, trials of spies are publicly held in civilian
>> criminal courts, not military tribunals.  Check your history.
> 
> So you are defending the al qaeda... Why am I NOT surprised...

So beinbg an American means supporting the suspension of, and
blatant disregard for American civil rights, the presumption of
innocence and having access to counsel? How about being held
without charges and torture?

These are the tools of Facism, these are the tools of the Bush
Administration.



-- 
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in 
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after 
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it 
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a 
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist 
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to 
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL 
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of 
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY 
COUNTRY."
�
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:07:58 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:

>On 2007-06-30 16:22:27 -0400, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> said:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:28:52 -0700, "LarryG@Yahuu.com"
>> <larryg_uu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 6:52 am, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:58:34 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>>>> 
>>>> <larryg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
>>>>>> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
>>>>>> the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>>>> 
>>>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...
>>>> 
>>>>> [Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
>>>>> old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
>>>>> opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:
>>>> 
>>>>> - Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction
>>>> 
>>>> You meant "had" WMDs. Everyone and their dog knew that.
>>> 
>>> No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>>> presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>>> Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>>> 
>>> Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
>> 
>> The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> - Anyone labelled as an "enemy combatant" is too dangerous to
>>>>> have the rights of counsel, to know the charges against them,
>>>>> to be tried in a court, to face their accuser, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> By definition, they do not have access to our legal system. {Think
>>>> "Spies"}
>>> 
>>> So much for everyone's civil rights, and the pressumption of
>>> innocence.  IIRC, trials of spies are publicly held in civilian
>>> criminal courts, not military tribunals.  Check your history.
>> 
>> So you are defending the al qaeda... Why am I NOT surprised...
>
>So beinbg an American means supporting the suspension of, and
>blatant disregard for American civil rights,

You are thinking being American means to support Bin Laden and his
fellow criminals?


> the presumption of
>innocence and having access to counsel? How about being held
>without charges and torture?
>
>These are the tools of Facism, these are the tools of the Bush
>Administration.

On Jun 30, 3:22 pm, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:28:52 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"

> >No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
> >presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
> >Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>
> >Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
>
> The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...

Perhaps you missed Slim's response the negated what ChairMan wrote.




> >So much for everyone's civil rights, and the pressumption of
> >innocence.  IIRC, trials of spies are publicly held in civilian
> >criminal courts, not military tribunals.  Check your history.
>
> So you are defending the al qaeda... Why am I NOT surprised...

Perhaps you are familiar with the evidence that Al Qaeda is
a CIA asset.



> >It WAS smaller than the width of the fuselage of the airliner they
> >*claimed* hit the Pentagon.  There were no impact marks or holes
> >for the huge engines that should have impacted the outside wall.
> >And there really wasn't sufficient debris to indicate that a large
> >commercial jet was responsible for the damage.
>
> >Get your facts straight before you embarass yourself further.
>
> >Cheers,
> >Larry G.
>
> Larry, you are a moron. You have NOT the foggiest clue about what
> happened at the Pentagon on 9-11-01.
>
> Here are numerous eyewitness accounts:
>  http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

Very shortly after the 911 "attack", the FBI rounded up (confiscated)
all of the cameras and video tape that might have recorded the
jet/missile as it approached the Pentagon.  If it truly were a
commercial airliner, as claimed, they could have released massive
amounts of photo and video evidence to support their assertion.
Since they are in possession of the "evidence" and have released
only a few undetailed frames, showing little of merit, a reasonable
person has to wonder what they are hiding from the public.




> And, even though you cannot possibly understand just how ignorant you
> are, here's another debunking  of your mindless little rant:http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?...

Here are a few links debunking the BS that PM put out:
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/100806popularmechanics.htm

>
> Mike Smith

Happy reading, fool!

Cheers,
Larry G.

In news:468719a8$0$8913$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
Slim <slim@pickins.com>spewed forth:
> On 2007-06-30 13:58:53 -0400, "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> said:
>
>> In news:1183224532.446187.198580@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
>> LarryG@Yahuu.com <larryg_uu@yahoo.com>spewed forth:
>>> On Jun 30, 6:52 am, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:58:34 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>>>>
>>>> <larryg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
>>>>>> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe
>>>>>> that the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>>>>
>>>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...
>>>>
>>>>> [Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
>>>>> old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
>>>>> opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:
>>>>
>>>>> - Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction
>>>>
>>>> You meant "had" WMDs. Everyone and their dog knew that.
>>>
>>> No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>>> presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>>> Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>>>
>>> Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
>>
>>
>> BULLSHIT
>>
>> http://editors.sipri.se/pubs/Factsheet/unscom.html
>
> From YOUR cite:
>
> 1988    16 Mar.    Saddam attacks Halabja with CW
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> RAYGUN AND RUMMSEY GAVE SADDAM THE CW!!!
>
> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg
>


So you openly admit he *did* have them then.
Doesn't matter where he got them, it just matters that he still had them and 
was willing to use them. All the while, you and your ilk continually thump 
your chests and scream he didn't have them. No matter how many times you 
tell a lie, it doesn't make it truth.
Did we give 'em to him? Damn right we did, doesn't make it right, but it 
does give us the right to take the fuckers back or him out. After all, if it 
was our fault, which makes it was our responsibility to make it right.
 

In news:1183267829.012922.110740@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
LarryG@Yahuu.com <larryg_uu@yahoo.com>spewed forth:
> On Jun 30, 3:22 pm, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:28:52 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>
>>> No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>>> presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>>> Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>>
>>> Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
>>
>> The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...
>
> Perhaps you missed Slim's response the negated what ChairMan wrote.
>

It didn't negate squat.
We gave 'em to him and he had 'em.
Just because we gave them to him doesn't negate him having them and 
procuring more. 

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:22:27 GMT, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:28:52 -0700, "LarryG@Yahuu.com"
><larryg_uu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 30, 6:52 am, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:58:34 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>>>
>>> <larryg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
>>> >> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
>>> >> the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>>>
>>> >>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...
>>>
>>> >[Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
>>> >old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
>>> >opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:
>>>
>>> >- Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction
>>>
>>> You meant "had" WMDs. Everyone and their dog knew that.
>>
>>No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>>presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>>Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>>
>>Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
>
>The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...

Curiously, that's how Mikey was conceived.


>
>>
>>
>>
>>> >- Anyone labelled as an "enemy combatant" is too dangerous to
>>> >  have the rights of counsel, to know the charges against them,
>>> >  to be tried in a court, to face their accuser, etc.
>>>
>>> By definition, they do not have access to our legal system. {Think
>>> "Spies"}
>>
>>So much for everyone's civil rights, and the pressumption of
>>innocence.  IIRC, trials of spies are publicly held in civilian
>>criminal courts, not military tribunals.  Check your history.
>
>So you are defending the al qaeda... Why am I NOT surprised...
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> >- Osama bin Laden and nineteen poorly trained arab terrorists,
>>> >  hijacked sophisticated commercial airlines, brought down the
>>> >  Twin Towers, and punched a small hole in the Pentagon.
>>>
>>> It wasn't a small hole in the Pentagon, ya moron.
>>
>>It WAS smaller than the width of the fuselage of the airliner they
>>*claimed* hit the Pentagon.  There were no impact marks or holes
>>for the huge engines that should have impacted the outside wall.
>>And there really wasn't sufficient debris to indicate that a large
>>commercial jet was responsible for the damage.
>>
>>Get your facts straight before you embarass yourself further.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Larry G.
>
>Larry, you are a moron. You have NOT the foggiest clue about what
>happened at the Pentagon on 9-11-01.
>
>Here are numerous eyewitness accounts:
> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html
>
>And, even though you cannot possibly understand just how ignorant you
>are, here's another debunking  of your mindless little rant:
>http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6
>
>Mike Smith

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:30:29 -0700, "LarryG@Yahuu.com"
<larryg_uu@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jun 30, 3:22 pm, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:28:52 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>
>> >No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>> >presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>> >Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>>
>> >Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
>>
>> The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...
>
>Perhaps you missed Slim's response the negated what ChairMan wrote.
>

Bullshit. We never gave saddam chemical weapons. He made chemical
weapons out of the insecticides we sold him. You, being an imbecile,
automatically believe we processed the pesticides into chemical
weapons for saddam. You stupidity is not my fault.

>
>
>
>> >So much for everyone's civil rights, and the pressumption of
>> >innocence.  IIRC, trials of spies are publicly held in civilian
>> >criminal courts, not military tribunals.  Check your history.
>>
>> So you are defending the al qaeda... Why am I NOT surprised...
>
>Perhaps you are familiar with the evidence that Al Qaeda is
>a CIA asset.

Perhaps you are familiar with insanity... Like on a first name basis
with "insanity".

>
>
>
>> >It WAS smaller than the width of the fuselage of the airliner they
>> >*claimed* hit the Pentagon.  There were no impact marks or holes
>> >for the huge engines that should have impacted the outside wall.
>> >And there really wasn't sufficient debris to indicate that a large
>> >commercial jet was responsible for the damage.
>>
>> >Get your facts straight before you embarass yourself further.
>>
>> >Cheers,
>> >Larry G.
>>
>> Larry, you are a moron. You have NOT the foggiest clue about what
>> happened at the Pentagon on 9-11-01.
>>
>> Here are numerous eyewitness accounts:
>>  http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html
>
>Very shortly after the 911 "attack", the FBI rounded up (confiscated)
>all of the cameras and video tape that might have recorded the
>jet/missile as it approached the Pentagon.  If it truly were a
>commercial airliner, as claimed, they could have released massive
>amounts of photo and video evidence to support their assertion.
>Since they are in possession of the "evidence" and have released
>only a few undetailed frames, showing little of merit, a reasonable
>person has to wonder what they are hiding from the public.
>
>
>
>
>> And, even though you cannot possibly understand just how ignorant you
>> are, here's another debunking  of your mindless little rant:http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?...
>
>Here are a few links debunking the BS that PM put out:
>http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/
>http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/100806popularmechanics.htm
>
>>
>> Mike Smith
>
>Happy reading, fool!
>
>Cheers,
>Larry G.


You are an idiot, Larry. A deluded, clueless idiot...

Mike Smith

ChairMan wrote:
> In news:1183267829.012922.110740@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> LarryG@Yahuu.com <larryg_uu@yahoo.com>spewed forth:
>> On Jun 30, 3:22 pm, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:28:52 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>>>> No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>>>> presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>>>> Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>>>> Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
>>> The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...
>> Perhaps you missed Slim's response the negated what ChairMan wrote.
>>
> 
> It didn't negate squat.
> We gave 'em to him and he had 'em.
> Just because we gave them to him doesn't negate him having them and 
> procuring more. 

If we *hadn't* given Saddam the chemical weapons, he would've had a 
*much, much* harder time developing them himself. Not to mention the 
economic sanctions after Gulf War I that destroyed Iraq's ability to 
maintain viable CW stocks.

RCL

Slim wrote:

> 
> 
> Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War
> 
> Cheney's Former Company Profits from Supporting Troops
> by Pratap Chatterjee, Special to CorpWatch
> March 20th, 2003
> 
> 
> Contract workers set up tent camp in Kuwait Bob Whistine
> Army Materiel Command
> RELATED ARTICLES
> 

Rest of crap snipped


OK, why izzit that you libs always forget who began the no bid contract 
  to KBR?

Do some frickin' research before you spout crap!

JT

In news:tIPhi.136093$Sa4.6497@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net,
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com>spewed forth:
> Slim wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War
>>
>> Cheney's Former Company Profits from Supporting Troops
>> by Pratap Chatterjee, Special to CorpWatch
>> March 20th, 2003
>>
>>
>> Contract workers set up tent camp in Kuwait Bob Whistine
>> Army Materiel Command
>> RELATED ARTICLES
>>
>
> Rest of crap snipped
>
>
> OK, why izzit that you libs always forget who began the no bid
>  contract to KBR?
>
> Do some frickin' research before you spout crap!
>
> JT

because they would then have to admit that their party is as fucked up as 
the rest of them. 

In news:7BOhi.9682$c06.8322@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net,
Rich Corinthian Leather <inexplicable@mysterious.net>spewed forth:
> ChairMan wrote:
>> In news:1183267829.012922.110740@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
>> LarryG@Yahuu.com <larryg_uu@yahoo.com>spewed forth:
>>> On Jun 30, 3:22 pm, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:28:52 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>>>>> No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>>>>> presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>>>>> Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>>>>> Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
>>>> The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...
>>> Perhaps you missed Slim's response the negated what ChairMan wrote.
>>>
>>
>> It didn't negate squat.
>> We gave 'em to him and he had 'em.
>> Just because we gave them to him doesn't negate him having them and
>> procuring more.
>
> If we *hadn't* given Saddam the chemical weapons, he would've had a
> *much, much* harder time developing them himself. Not to mention the
> economic sanctions after Gulf War I that destroyed Iraq's ability to
> maintain viable CW stocks.
>
> RCL

look at my original post from SPIRI.
those figures were taken after gulf war1 in 1999 when the inspectors were 
made to leave.
Looks like to me his CW stock was quite viable

The following items remain unaccounted for:


Scud missile components, warheads and propellant
17 tonnes of growth media for the production of BW agents
Items of CW production equipment
4000 tonnes of CW precursors
750 tonnes of VX precursors
100 al-Hussein missiles
31000 CW munitions
20 R-17 Scud-B -type missiles
40-70 CBW-capable missile warheads
Significant quantities of biological warfare agents
Significant quantities of 155-mm ammunition rounds 

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:57:11 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:

>
>
>Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War
>
>Cheney's Former Company Profits from Supporting Troops
>by Pratap Chatterjee, Special to CorpWatch
>March 20th, 2003


Not very current and certainly not from a reliable source. More
left-winger propaganda. A day late and a dollar short.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:03:52 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:

>RAYGUN AND RUMMSEY GAVE SADDAM THE CW!!!
>
>http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg


 Not current and certainly not from a reliable source. Just more
weak-kneed left-winger propaganda.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:07:58 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:

>So beinbg an American means supporting the suspension of, and
>blatant disregard for American civil rights, the presumption of
>innocence and having access to counsel? How about being held
>without charges and torture?
>
>These are the tools of Facism, these are the tools of the Bush
>Administration.


Your lies provide aid and comfort to al Quada. You know that, that's
why you tell the lies. You are a terrorist.

On 2007-07-01 00:39:57 -0400, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> said:

> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:07:58 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2007-06-30 16:22:27 -0400, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> said:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:28:52 -0700, "LarryG@Yahuu.com"
>>> <larryg_uu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 30, 6:52 am, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:58:34 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>>>>> 
>>>>> <larryg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
>>>>>>> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
>>>>>>> the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...
>>>>> 
>>>>>> [Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
>>>>>> old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
>>>>>> opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction
>>>>> 
>>>>> You meant "had" WMDs. Everyone and their dog knew that.
>>>> 
>>>> No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>>>> presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>>>> Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
>>> 
>>> The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> - Anyone labelled as an "enemy combatant" is too dangerous to
>>>>>> have the rights of counsel, to know the charges against them,
>>>>>> to be tried in a court, to face their accuser, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> By definition, they do not have access to our legal system. {Think
>>>>> "Spies"}
>>>> 
>>>> So much for everyone's civil rights, and the pressumption of
>>>> innocence.  IIRC, trials of spies are publicly held in civilian
>>>> criminal courts, not military tribunals.  Check your history.
>>> 
>>> So you are defending the al qaeda... Why am I NOT surprised...
>> 
>> So beinbg an American means supporting the suspension of, and
>> blatant disregard for American civil rights,
> 
> You are thinking being American means to support Bin Laden and his
> fellow criminals?

Bush supported them by letting the Bin Laden family leave the US and
Bush is the one who called off the hunt for Bin Laden.


-- 
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in 
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after 
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it 
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a 
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist 
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to 
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL 
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of 
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY 
COUNTRY."
�
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

On 2007-07-01 01:44:01 -0400, "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> said:

> In news:468719a8$0$8913$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
> Slim <slim@pickins.com>spewed forth:
>> On 2007-06-30 13:58:53 -0400, "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> said:
>> 
>>> In news:1183224532.446187.198580@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
>>> LarryG@Yahuu.com <larryg_uu@yahoo.com>spewed forth:
>>>> On Jun 30, 6:52 am, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:58:34 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>>>>> 
>>>>> <larryg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
>>>>>>> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe
>>>>>>> that the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...
>>>>> 
>>>>>> [Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
>>>>>> old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
>>>>>> opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction
>>>>> 
>>>>> You meant "had" WMDs. Everyone and their dog knew that.
>>>> 
>>>> No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>>>> presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>>>> Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> BULLSHIT
>>> 
>>> http://editors.sipri.se/pubs/Factsheet/unscom.html
>> 
>> From YOUR cite:
>> 
>> 1988    16 Mar.    Saddam attacks Halabja with CW
>> 
>> ------------------------------------
>> 
>> RAYGUN AND RUMMSEY GAVE SADDAM THE CW!!!
>> 
>> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg
>> 
> 
> 
> So you openly admit he *did* have them then.
> Doesn't matter where he got them, it just matters that he still had 
> them and was willing to use them. All the while, you and your ilk 
> continually thump your chests and scream he didn't have them. No matter 
> how many times you tell a lie, it doesn't make it truth.
> Did we give 'em to him? Damn right we did, doesn't make it right, but 
> it does give us the right to take the fuckers back or him out. After 
> all, if it was our fault, which makes it was our responsibility to make 
> it right

So 'taking him out" means invading the country, destroying the 
infrastructure and
killing tens of thousnads of innocent people in the process?

Sure...Halliburton and KBR can build it all right back up! ;-)

-- 
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in 
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after 
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it 
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a 
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist 
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to 
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL 
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of 
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY 
COUNTRY."
�
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

On 2007-07-01 01:55:54 -0400, "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> said:

> In news:1183267829.012922.110740@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> LarryG@Yahuu.com <larryg_uu@yahoo.com>spewed forth:
>> On Jun 30, 3:22 pm, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:28:52 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>> 
>>>> No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>>>> presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>>>> Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>>> 
>>>> Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
>>> 
>>> The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...
>> 
>> Perhaps you missed Slim's response the negated what ChairMan wrote.
>> 
> 
> It didn't negate squat.
> We gave 'em to him and he had 'em.
> Just because we gave them to him doesn't negate him having them and 
> procuring more.

Raygun and Rummsey gave him the gas knowing that he would use it against
the Kurds. R & R were parties to GENOCIDE.


-- 
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in 
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after 
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it 
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a 
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist 
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to 
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL 
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of 
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY 
COUNTRY."
�
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:33:00 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:

>On 2007-07-01 00:39:57 -0400, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> said:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:07:58 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2007-06-30 16:22:27 -0400, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> said:
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:28:52 -0700, "LarryG@Yahuu.com"
>>>> <larryg_uu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 30, 6:52 am, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:58:34 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <larryg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 11:23 pm, Zeno <Z...@home.kom> wrote:
>>>>>>>> (2:20 in) Proponents of radical Islam (islamofasicsts) believe that
>>>>>>>> the west is engaged in a *conspiracy* to subjugate Islam.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6331994107023396223&q=obsess...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [Yawn]  Kind of lame for a conspiracy theory.  This is the same
>>>>>>> old fear mongering perpetuated by the real masters of public
>>>>>>> opinion manipulation.  Consider their other greatest hits:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Saddaam has Weapons of Mass Destruction
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You meant "had" WMDs. Everyone and their dog knew that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>>>>> presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>>>>> Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
>>>> 
>>>> The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Anyone labelled as an "enemy combatant" is too dangerous to
>>>>>>> have the rights of counsel, to know the charges against them,
>>>>>>> to be tried in a court, to face their accuser, etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> By definition, they do not have access to our legal system. {Think
>>>>>> "Spies"}
>>>>> 
>>>>> So much for everyone's civil rights, and the pressumption of
>>>>> innocence.  IIRC, trials of spies are publicly held in civilian
>>>>> criminal courts, not military tribunals.  Check your history.
>>>> 
>>>> So you are defending the al qaeda... Why am I NOT surprised...
>>> 
>>> So beinbg an American means supporting the suspension of, and
>>> blatant disregard for American civil rights,
>> 
>> You are thinking being American means to support Bin Laden and his
>> fellow criminals?
>
>Bush supported them by letting the Bin Laden family leave the US and
>Bush is the one who called off the hunt for Bin Laden.

That comparison doesn't speak to your guilt.

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:37:15 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:

>On 2007-07-01 09:00:35 -0400, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> said:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:30:29 -0700, "LarryG@Yahuu.com"
>> <larryg_uu@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 3:22 pm, Mike Smith <m...@wt.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:28:52 -0700, "Lar...@Yahuu.com"
>>> 
>>>>> No evidence (outside of administration propaganda) was ever
>>>>> presented to show WMD's existed.  Perhaps Santa and the Easter
>>>>> Bunny conspired with Saddaam to hide them in Never-Never Land.
>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, folks.  Mike Smith is really that gullible.
>>>> 
>>>> The Chairman knocked your dumbassed dick in the dirt on that one...
>>> 
>>> Perhaps you missed Slim's response the negated what ChairMan wrote.
>>> 
>> 
>> Bullshit. We never gave saddam chemical weapons. He made chemical
>> weapons out of the insecticides we sold him. You, being an imbecile,
>> automatically believe we processed the pesticides into chemical
>> weapons for saddam. You stupidity is not my fault.
>
>DID SADDAM GAS THE KURDS? OR WAS IT REAGAN?


No source given --  so, isn't it amazing what one can do with
PhotoShop?

On 2007-07-01 13:11:15 -0400, leroyblue@pillinor.net said:

> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:57:11 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War
>> 
>> Cheney's Former Company Profits from Supporting Troops
>> by Pratap Chatterjee, Special to CorpWatch
>> March 20th, 2003
> 
> 
> Not very current and certainly not from a reliable source. More
> left-winger propaganda.

CorpWatch is certainly a reliable source.

How about MSNBC?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5333896/

New Halliburton waste alleged
Former company auditor: ‘It’s just a gravy train’

Lisa Myers
Senior investigative correspondent


By Lisa Myers and the NBC Investigative Unit

Updated: 4:28 p.m. ET July 26, 2004

The Pentagon has already awarded Halliburton Co., the controversial 
military contractor, deals worth up to $18 billion for its work in 
Iraq.  But now former Halliburton insiders have come forward with new 
allegations of massive waste of taxpayer money.

Marie deYoung, a former Army chaplain who worked for Halliburton, was 
so upset by attacks on the company she e-mailed the CEO in December 
with a strategy on how to fight the "political slurs."  But today, 
after five months inside Halliburton's operation in Kuwait, deYoung has 
radically changed her opinion. "It’s just a gravy train," she said.

DeYoung audited accounts for Halliburton’s subsidiary KBR.  She claims 
there was no effort to hold down costs because all costs were passed on 
directly to taxpayers.  She repeatedly complained to superiors of waste 
and fraud.  The company's response, according to deYoung was: "We can 
be as dumb and stupid as we want in the first year of a war, nobody’s 
going to care."


> A day late and a dollar short.

That would be your Daddy and the rent.

-- 
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in 
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after 
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it 
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a 
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist 
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to 
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL 
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of 
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY 
COUNTRY."
 
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

On 2007-07-01 13:13:25 -0400, leroyblue@pillinor.net said:

> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:03:52 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:
> 
>> RAYGUN AND RUMMSEY GAVE SADDAM THE CW!!!
>> 
>> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg
> 
> 
>  Not current and certainly not from a reliable source. Just more
> weak-kneed left-winger propaganda.

Are you saying the photo is not accurate?


-- 
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in 
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after 
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it 
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a 
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist 
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to 
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL 
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of 
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY 
COUNTRY."
�
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

On 2007-07-01 13:15:08 -0400, leroyblue@pillinor.net said:

> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:07:58 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:
> 
>> So beinbg an American means supporting the suspension of, and
>> blatant disregard for American civil rights, the presumption of
>> innocence and having access to counsel? How about being held
>> without charges and torture?
>> 
>> These are the tools of Facism, these are the tools of the Bush
>> Administration.
> 
> 
> Your lies provide aid and comfort to al Quada. You know that, that's
> why you tell the lies.

Your lies provide aid and comfort to Halliburton and KBR.

> You are a terrorist.

BUSH is the terrorist. You are his tool.

-- 
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in 
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after 
all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it 
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a 
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist 
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to 
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL 
THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of 
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY 
COUNTRY."
�
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 21:40:00 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:

>On 2007-07-01 13:15:08 -0400, leroyblue@pillinor.net said:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:07:58 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> So beinbg an American means supporting the suspension of, and
>>> blatant disregard for American civil rights, the presumption of
>>> innocence and having access to counsel? How about being held
>>> without charges and torture?
>>> 
>>> These are the tools of Facism, these are the tools of the Bush
>>> Administration.
>> 
>> 
>> Your lies provide aid and comfort to al Quada. You know that, that's
>> why you tell the lies.
>
>Your lies provide aid and comfort to Halliburton and KBR.

  I haven't lied about anything. Unlike you I support my country and
do not provide aid and comfort to its enemies as you do. 

>> You are a terrorist.
>
>BUSH is the terrorist. You are his tool.

If Bush is a terrorist then the Congress should remove him from
office. The Congress is controlled by democrats, why haven't they
taken action

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 21:39:11 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:

>On 2007-07-01 13:13:25 -0400, leroyblue@pillinor.net said:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:03:52 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> RAYGUN AND RUMMSEY GAVE SADDAM THE CW!!!
>>> 
>>> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg
>> 
>> 
>>  Not current and certainly not from a reliable source. Just more
>> weak-kneed left-winger propaganda.
>
>Are you saying the photo is not accurate?


I'm saying you provided no reliable source and it could have been
easily faked with Photoshop.

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 21:38:46 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:

>On 2007-07-01 13:11:15 -0400, leroyblue@pillinor.net said:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:57:11 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Halliburton Makes a Killing on Iraq War
>>> 
>>> Cheney's Former Company Profits from Supporting Troops
>>> by Pratap Chatterjee, Special to CorpWatch
>>> March 20th, 2003
>> 
>> 
>> Not very current and certainly not from a reliable source. More
>> left-winger propaganda.
>
>CorpWatch is certainly a reliable source.
>
>How about MSNBC?

OK, so you do have a some sense of humor.

There sure is one similarity:

It was the kamikazes which pushed to USA into using nukes.

				    - = -
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	   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
  ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice.  Everything fully disclaimed.}---
   [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
 [Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal] [Windows is for Bimbos]

You would do well to search for and watch all of the official released film 
of that.
"Mike Smith" <mws@wt.net> wrote in message >
>>- Osama bin Laden and nineteen poorly trained arab terrorists,
>>  hijacked sophisticated commercial airlines, brought down the
>>  Twin Towers, and punched a small hole in the Pentagon.
>
> It wasn't a small hole in the Pentagon, ya moron.
>
>
> Yes, folks... Larry IS this stupid.
>
> Mike Smith 

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:42:48 -0500, "t" <tools22@gmail.com> wrote:

>You would do well to search for and watch all of the official released film 
>of that.

I've seen most of it...

What's your point?

Mike Smith

>"Mike Smith" <mws@wt.net> wrote in message >
>>>- Osama bin Laden and nineteen poorly trained arab terrorists,
>>>  hijacked sophisticated commercial airlines, brought down the
>>>  Twin Towers, and punched a small hole in the Pentagon.
>>
>> It wasn't a small hole in the Pentagon, ya moron.
>>
>>
>> Yes, folks... Larry IS this stupid.
>>
>> Mike Smith 
>

Your question makes one wonder about your vision. Get you eyes checked.
"Mike Smith" <mws@wt.net> wrote in message 
news:rgph83hamj7a3mjiev9474eitivt1ppici@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:42:48 -0500, "t" <tools22@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>You would do well to search for and watch all of the official released 
>>film
>>of that.
>
> I've seen most of it...
>
> What's your point?
>
> Mike Smith
>
>>"Mike Smith" <mws@wt.net> wrote in message >
>>>>- Osama bin Laden and nineteen poorly trained arab terrorists,
>>>>  hijacked sophisticated commercial airlines, brought down the
>>>>  Twin Towers, and punched a small hole in the Pentagon.
>>>
>>> It wasn't a small hole in the Pentagon, ya moron.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, folks... Larry IS this stupid.
>>>
>>> Mike Smith
>> 

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 21:40:00 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:

>> You are a terrorist.
>
>BUSH is the terrorist. You are his tool.

Do you find the local police to be "terrorists" as well?

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:42:25 -0500, "t" <tools22@gmail.com> wrote:

>Your question makes one wonder about your vision. Get you eyes checked.

The only question I posted was "What's you point?" You chose not to
answer it.

Are you stupid?

Mike Smith


>"Mike Smith" <mws@wt.net> wrote in message 
>news:rgph83hamj7a3mjiev9474eitivt1ppici@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:42:48 -0500, "t" <tools22@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>You would do well to search for and watch all of the official released 
>>>film
>>>of that.
>>
>> I've seen most of it...
>>
>> What's your point?
>>
>> Mike Smith
>>
>>>"Mike Smith" <mws@wt.net> wrote in message >
>>>>>- Osama bin Laden and nineteen poorly trained arab terrorists,
>>>>>  hijacked sophisticated commercial airlines, brought down the
>>>>>  Twin Towers, and punched a small hole in the Pentagon.
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't a small hole in the Pentagon, ya moron.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, folks... Larry IS this stupid.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Smith
>>> 
>

On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:49:13 GMT, Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:42:48 -0500, "t" <tools22@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>You would do well to search for and watch all of the official released film 
>>of that.
>
>I've seen most of it...
>
>What's your point?
>
>Mike Smith
>
You do stupid really well.

No, Mikey, I am not at all like you. My IQ is higher than yours, so you have 
a hard time understanding. 
By needing an answer to what's my point, you show your inability to 
comprehend. 
But you should not be surprised, as this sort of thing has been happening to 
you for a long time. 
I do wish that you at least could be a bit patriotic though. 
Why do you hate America?
"Mike Smith" <mws@wt.net> wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:42:25 -0500, "t" <tools22@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Your question makes one wonder about your vision. Get you eyes checked.
>
> The only question I posted was "What's you point?" You chose not to
> answer it.
>
> Are you stupid?
>
> Mike Smith
>
>
>>"Mike Smith" <mws@wt.net> wrote in message
>>news:rgph83hamj7a3mjiev9474eitivt1ppici@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:42:48 -0500, "t" <tools22@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You would do well to search for and watch all of the official released
>>>>film
>>>>of that.
>>>
>>> I've seen most of it...
>>>
>>> What's your point?
>>>
>>> Mike Smith
>>>
>>>>"Mike Smith" <mws@wt.net> wrote in message >
>>>>>>- Osama bin Laden and nineteen poorly trained arab terrorists,
>>>>>>  hijacked sophisticated commercial airlines, brought down the
>>>>>>  Twin Towers, and punched a small hole in the Pentagon.
>>>>>
>>>>> It wasn't a small hole in the Pentagon, ya moron.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, folks... Larry IS this stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Smith
>>>>
>>