🚀 go-pugleaf

Don't even know what you're trying to say. I don't like eBay & PayPal 
either, but speak some simple words so people can understand you and 
your point better.

ebaysucks wrote:
> This is just my opinion, do your own due diligence
> buyers beware
>
> My opinion is ebay and paypal is full of fraud . Repeat  do not under any 
> circumstance give your checking account or credit card to these people. They 
> have figured a way to legitimize  being taken to the cleaners.  They will , 
> can and do take your money out of your account automatically and you will be 
> left with : DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL . Whenever anyone uses that line DO 
> NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL , that should tell you, how often people needed to 
> do just that and for good reason and couldn't. That's just one tell tale 
> sign its not if, its when and for how much before your going to lose on a 
> transaction. In my estimation Ebay is full  of fraud
>   
>>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud and trust me 
>>> there are many things to look for and spot if you are going to risk 
>>> losing your money on a auction or transaction on Ebay or Paypal.
>>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics and you use Paypal Buyer 
>>> Protection
>>> your liable to have to get  it checked out to prove its bad, depending on
>>> a totally subjective process that may not be consistent, and  so so far I
>>> can't have
>>> it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30 dollars
>>> though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you read
>>> small print and your automatically going to be out that if you complain
>>> ..so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even with
>>> paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a bigger
>>> chance of automatic loss because people who sell and defraud , don't care
>>> what happens cause you have little recourse.
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> that's just the beginning of the rants
>> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay or paypal and please listen
>> carefully
>> lots and lots of fees, before you know it, your goingto be taking a awful
>> beating and sabotaging the reason to use ebay in the first place ( sell
>> items with chance to get reasonable return)
>> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, what
>> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. How 
>> much
>> time do you have? Part of it is because ebay and paypal don't want to be
>> bothered , cause why should they , if your willing to spend hours doing it
>> for them, or if you decide to give up , they win .When I
>> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie to
>> you ( swear to God paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
>> their backs and each representative tells you something different, and I
>> couldn't make this up even if I wanted to,)or
>> redirect you to another link. I am sure there are policies in place but 
>> most
>> of it is just winging it.  A large percent of auctions are for bad
>> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never are or often won't 
>> get
>> your
>> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
>> just
>> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
>> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
>> middleman like a bookie
>>
>> Finally don't ever and I repeat this with no uncertain emphasis, don't 
>> ever
>> give paypal your checking account . They can and do automatically take out
>> funds from your account. The overall policies affecting complaints in my
>> view is based on loose interpretations of what happened. I don't believe 
>> its
>> very objective but sometimes it can't be with the nature of the overall
>> process being what it is. I mean anything could be said, from sellers who
>> claim they didn't get their items back , to people who say its not the 
>> same
>> item, to people say the seller did whatever and it could go on and on. At
>> some point, there is no way to determine who is right or wrong and this is
>> why more then anything else, the protection programs do not work. Its just
>> as possible to get ripped off by Paypal siding with scammers as it is with
>> them siding for what is right. It really does not matter sometimes to 
>> Paypal
>> or ebay its all so subjective. I will repeat this you got to be able to 
>> spot
>> the myriad of different frauds and tactics out there and paypal often
>> doesn't do a thing to remove sellers who sold bad merchandise. NOTONCE not
>> twice , not three times but often hundreds of times. And with these people
>> your suppose to defend your self each time and take out hours of your 
>> life?
>> NOOO be prepared to have your money taken out of your account with no or
>> little recourse. I am repeat , in no way should you ever give paypal your
>> credit information or bank account. I learned the hard way..
>>
>>
>>     
>>> My complaints about ebay and paypal are these
>>> there are many scam sellers who don't sell quality good based on their
>>> descriptions
>>> Unless your very knowledgably about examining every detail of item and
>>> auction you can very easily be defrauded.
>>> Ebay and Paypal does not make getting help or feedback easy. Paypal
>>> protection for people who claim an item is a certain way is limited often
>>> enough  to making said person who got bad item making them pay to prove
>>> it.
>>> without paypal protection I got defrauded more times then not. Buyer
>>> beware
>>> and its  happened more and more recently.. In my subjective view >> this 
>>> is a way for people to legally get away with fraud and pay pal has 
>>> actually lied to me , and
>>> on
>>> the phone which was not easy to find the number conveniently. What a
>>> racket.
>>>       
> On another Note You know who does the best on Ebay?
>   
>>> You know who does the best? People who sell tickets to sports events who
>>> could not do it legally in front of game or anywhere else. I am not 
>>> against them I am just
>>> showing how ebay and paypal just let things happen that usually you 
>>> wouldn't have happen anywhere else in legal format and in the end you end 
>>> up losing .>>
>>>       
>> that's just the beginning of the rants
>>     
> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay
> lots and lots of fees
> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, what
> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. When I
> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie to
> you ( swear to god paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
> their backs and each representative tells you something different,)or
> redirect you to another link. A large percent of auctions are for bad
> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never or often won't get your
> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often just
> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
> middleman like a bookie
>
>
> <teethering@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MGpGf.9028$0i1.4857@trnddc04...
>   
>> for as long as I am online
>> Its full of fraud
>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud
>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics
>> your liable to have it checked out to prove its bad, so so far I can't
>> have it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
>> dollars though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you
>> read small print.so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even
>> with paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
>> bigger chance of automatic loss.
>>
>>
>>     
>
>   
>> ">>
>>     
>
>
>   

In some cases this is true. I will never use paypal again after they tried 
to rip me off a few years ago and I am not the only one just go to 
www.paypalsucks.com  and you will see for yourself how paypal works.


"ebaysucks" <ebaysuckss@mail.com> wrote in message 
news:2NEIf.16159$7C3.2841@trnddc08...
> This is just my opinion, do your own due diligence
> buyers beware
>
> My opinion is ebay and paypal is full of fraud . Repeat  do not under any 
> circumstance give your checking account or credit card to these people. 
> They have figured a way to legitimize  being taken to the cleaners.  They 
> will , can and do take your money out of your account automatically and 
> you will be left with : DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL . Whenever anyone uses 
> that line DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL , that should tell you, how often 
> people needed to do just that and for good reason and couldn't. That's 
> just one tell tale sign its not if, its when and for how much before your 
> going to lose on a transaction. In my estimation Ebay is full  of fraud
>>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud and trust 
>>> me there are many things to look for and spot if you are going to risk 
>>> losing your money on a auction or transaction on Ebay or Paypal.
>>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics and you use Paypal Buyer 
>>> Protection
>>> your liable to have to get  it checked out to prove its bad, depending 
>>> on
>>> a totally subjective process that may not be consistent, and  so so far 
>>> I
>>> can't have
>>> it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30 
>>> dollars
>>> though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you read
>>> small print and your automatically going to be out that if you complain
>>> ..so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even with
>>> paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a bigger
>>> chance of automatic loss because people who sell and defraud , don't 
>>> care
>>> what happens cause you have little recourse.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> that's just the beginning of the rants
>> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay or paypal and please listen
>> carefully
>> lots and lots of fees, before you know it, your goingto be taking a awful
>> beating and sabotaging the reason to use ebay in the first place ( sell
>> items with chance to get reasonable return)
>> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, what
>> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. How 
>> much
>> time do you have? Part of it is because ebay and paypal don't want to be
>> bothered , cause why should they , if your willing to spend hours doing 
>> it
>> for them, or if you decide to give up , they win .When I
>> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie 
>> to
>> you ( swear to God paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
>> their backs and each representative tells you something different, and I
>> couldn't make this up even if I wanted to,)or
>> redirect you to another link. I am sure there are policies in place but 
>> most
>> of it is just winging it.  A large percent of auctions are for bad
>> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never are or often won't 
>> get
>> your
>> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
>> just
>> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
>> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
>> middleman like a bookie
>>
>> Finally don't ever and I repeat this with no uncertain emphasis, don't 
>> ever
>> give paypal your checking account . They can and do automatically take 
>> out
>> funds from your account. The overall policies affecting complaints in my
>> view is based on loose interpretations of what happened. I don't believe 
>> its
>> very objective but sometimes it can't be with the nature of the overall
>> process being what it is. I mean anything could be said, from sellers who
>> claim they didn't get their items back , to people who say its not the 
>> same
>> item, to people say the seller did whatever and it could go on and on. At
>> some point, there is no way to determine who is right or wrong and this 
>> is
>> why more then anything else, the protection programs do not work. Its 
>> just
>> as possible to get ripped off by Paypal siding with scammers as it is 
>> with
>> them siding for what is right. It really does not matter sometimes to 
>> Paypal
>> or ebay its all so subjective. I will repeat this you got to be able to 
>> spot
>> the myriad of different frauds and tactics out there and paypal often
>> doesn't do a thing to remove sellers who sold bad merchandise. NOTONCE 
>> not
>> twice , not three times but often hundreds of times. And with these 
>> people
>> your suppose to defend your self each time and take out hours of your 
>> life?
>> NOOO be prepared to have your money taken out of your account with no or
>> little recourse. I am repeat , in no way should you ever give paypal your
>> credit information or bank account. I learned the hard way..
>>
>>
>>> My complaints about ebay and paypal are these
>>> there are many scam sellers who don't sell quality good based on their
>>> descriptions
>>> Unless your very knowledgably about examining every detail of item and
>>> auction you can very easily be defrauded.
>>> Ebay and Paypal does not make getting help or feedback easy. Paypal
>>> protection for people who claim an item is a certain way is limited 
>>> often
>>> enough  to making said person who got bad item making them pay to prove
>>> it.
>>> without paypal protection I got defrauded more times then not. Buyer
>>> beware
>>> and its  happened more and more recently.. In my subjective view >> this 
>>> is a way for people to legally get away with fraud and pay pal has 
>>> actually lied to me , and
>>> on
>>> the phone which was not easy to find the number conveniently. What a
>>> racket.
> On another Note You know who does the best on Ebay?
>>> You know who does the best? People who sell tickets to sports events who
>>> could not do it legally in front of game or anywhere else. I am not 
>>> against them I am just
>>> showing how ebay and paypal just let things happen that usually you 
>>> wouldn't have happen anywhere else in legal format and in the end you 
>>> end up losing .>>
>> that's just the beginning of the rants
> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay
> lots and lots of fees
> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, what
> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. When I
> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie to
> you ( swear to god paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
> their backs and each representative tells you something different,)or
> redirect you to another link. A large percent of auctions are for bad
> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never or often won't get 
> your
> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
> just
> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
> middleman like a bookie
>
>
> <teethering@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MGpGf.9028$0i1.4857@trnddc04...
>> for as long as I am online
>> Its full of fraud
>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud
>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics
>> your liable to have it checked out to prove its bad, so so far I can't
>> have it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
>> dollars though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless 
>> you
>> read small print.so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even
>> with paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
>> bigger chance of automatic loss.
>>
>>
>
>>
>>
>> ">>
>>>
>>
>
> 

I've been using PayPal and eBay for 6 years.  Works perfect as far as I'm
concerned.  No problems whatsoever.

Of course I don't expect eBay to bail me out if I make a stupid purchase nor
do I expect PayPal to.  It is buyer beware, there always seems to be someone
willing to rip you off.  Happens outside of eBay every day.

"Packrat46" <phillip.coyle@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:weGIf.9570$Lr.3481@trnddc01...
> In some cases this is true. I will never use paypal again after they tried
> to rip me off a few years ago and I am not the only one just go to
> www.paypalsucks.com  and you will see for yourself how paypal works.
>
>
> "ebaysucks" <ebaysuckss@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:2NEIf.16159$7C3.2841@trnddc08...
> > This is just my opinion, do your own due diligence
> > buyers beware
> >
> > My opinion is ebay and paypal is full of fraud . Repeat  do not under
any
> > circumstance give your checking account or credit card to these people.
> > They have figured a way to legitimize  being taken to the cleaners.
They
> > will , can and do take your money out of your account automatically and
> > you will be left with : DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL . Whenever anyone
uses
> > that line DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL , that should tell you, how often
> > people needed to do just that and for good reason and couldn't. That's
> > just one tell tale sign its not if, its when and for how much before
your
> > going to lose on a transaction. In my estimation Ebay is full  of fraud
> >>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud and trust
> >>> me there are many things to look for and spot if you are going to risk
> >>> losing your money on a auction or transaction on Ebay or Paypal.
> >>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics and you use Paypal Buyer
> >>> Protection
> >>> your liable to have to get  it checked out to prove its bad, depending
> >>> on
> >>> a totally subjective process that may not be consistent, and  so so
far
> >>> I
> >>> can't have
> >>> it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
> >>> dollars
> >>> though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you
read
> >>> small print and your automatically going to be out that if you
complain
> >>> ..so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even with
> >>> paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a bigger
> >>> chance of automatic loss because people who sell and defraud , don't
> >>> care
> >>> what happens cause you have little recourse.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> that's just the beginning of the rants
> >> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay or paypal and please listen
> >> carefully
> >> lots and lots of fees, before you know it, your goingto be taking a
awful
> >> beating and sabotaging the reason to use ebay in the first place ( sell
> >> items with chance to get reasonable return)
> >> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item,
what
> >> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. How
> >> much
> >> time do you have? Part of it is because ebay and paypal don't want to
be
> >> bothered , cause why should they , if your willing to spend hours doing
> >> it
> >> for them, or if you decide to give up , they win .When I
> >> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie
> >> to
> >> you ( swear to God paypal representatives just lie to you to get you
off
> >> their backs and each representative tells you something different, and
I
> >> couldn't make this up even if I wanted to,)or
> >> redirect you to another link. I am sure there are policies in place but
> >> most
> >> of it is just winging it.  A large percent of auctions are for bad
> >> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never are or often won't
> >> get
> >> your
> >> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often
> >> just
> >> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
> >> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
> >> middleman like a bookie
> >>
> >> Finally don't ever and I repeat this with no uncertain emphasis, don't
> >> ever
> >> give paypal your checking account . They can and do automatically take
> >> out
> >> funds from your account. The overall policies affecting complaints in
my
> >> view is based on loose interpretations of what happened. I don't
believe
> >> its
> >> very objective but sometimes it can't be with the nature of the overall
> >> process being what it is. I mean anything could be said, from sellers
who
> >> claim they didn't get their items back , to people who say its not the
> >> same
> >> item, to people say the seller did whatever and it could go on and on.
At
> >> some point, there is no way to determine who is right or wrong and this
> >> is
> >> why more then anything else, the protection programs do not work. Its
> >> just
> >> as possible to get ripped off by Paypal siding with scammers as it is
> >> with
> >> them siding for what is right. It really does not matter sometimes to
> >> Paypal
> >> or ebay its all so subjective. I will repeat this you got to be able to
> >> spot
> >> the myriad of different frauds and tactics out there and paypal often
> >> doesn't do a thing to remove sellers who sold bad merchandise. NOTONCE
> >> not
> >> twice , not three times but often hundreds of times. And with these
> >> people
> >> your suppose to defend your self each time and take out hours of your
> >> life?
> >> NOOO be prepared to have your money taken out of your account with no
or
> >> little recourse. I am repeat , in no way should you ever give paypal
your
> >> credit information or bank account. I learned the hard way..
> >>
> >>
> >>> My complaints about ebay and paypal are these
> >>> there are many scam sellers who don't sell quality good based on their
> >>> descriptions
> >>> Unless your very knowledgably about examining every detail of item and
> >>> auction you can very easily be defrauded.
> >>> Ebay and Paypal does not make getting help or feedback easy. Paypal
> >>> protection for people who claim an item is a certain way is limited
> >>> often
> >>> enough  to making said person who got bad item making them pay to
prove
> >>> it.
> >>> without paypal protection I got defrauded more times then not. Buyer
> >>> beware
> >>> and its  happened more and more recently.. In my subjective view >>
this
> >>> is a way for people to legally get away with fraud and pay pal has
> >>> actually lied to me , and
> >>> on
> >>> the phone which was not easy to find the number conveniently. What a
> >>> racket.
> > On another Note You know who does the best on Ebay?
> >>> You know who does the best? People who sell tickets to sports events
who
> >>> could not do it legally in front of game or anywhere else. I am not
> >>> against them I am just
> >>> showing how ebay and paypal just let things happen that usually you
> >>> wouldn't have happen anywhere else in legal format and in the end you
> >>> end up losing .>>
> >> that's just the beginning of the rants
> > Here is more in case you choose to use ebay
> > lots and lots of fees
> > When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item,
what
> > auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. When
I
> > complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie
to
> > you ( swear to god paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
> > their backs and each representative tells you something different,)or
> > redirect you to another link. A large percent of auctions are for bad
> > merchandise to some extent or another, and you never or often won't get
> > your
> > money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often
> > just
> > takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
> > Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
> > middleman like a bookie
> >
> >
> > <teethering@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:MGpGf.9028$0i1.4857@trnddc04...
> >> for as long as I am online
> >> Its full of fraud
> >> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud
> >> Even if you buy bad item like electronics
> >> your liable to have it checked out to prove its bad, so so far I can't
> >> have it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
> >> dollars though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless
> >> you
> >> read small print.so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping
even
> >> with paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
> >> bigger chance of automatic loss.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> ">>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Let me tell you something. I hate liars and paypal representatives lied to 
me over and over. I thought I was dealing with real company that was above 
board with billions of dollars of assets and told the truth.. I now realize 
why Ebay is full of sellers that paypal and ebay protect no matter if its 
good or bad.
"Packrat46" <phillip.coyle@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:weGIf.9570$Lr.3481@trnddc01...
> In some cases this is true. I will never use paypal again after they tried 
> to rip me off a few years ago and I am not the only one just go to 
> www.paypalsucks.com  and you will see for yourself how paypal works.
>
>
> "ebaysucks" <ebaysuckss@mail.com> wrote in message 
> news:2NEIf.16159$7C3.2841@trnddc08...
>> This is just my opinion, do your own due diligence
>> buyers beware
>>
>> My opinion is ebay and paypal is full of fraud . Repeat  do not under any 
>> circumstance give your checking account or credit card to these people. 
>> They have figured a way to legitimize  being taken to the cleaners.  They 
>> will , can and do take your money out of your account automatically and 
>> you will be left with : DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL . Whenever anyone uses 
>> that line DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL , that should tell you, how often 
>> people needed to do just that and for good reason and couldn't. That's 
>> just one tell tale sign its not if, its when and for how much before your 
>> going to lose on a transaction. In my estimation Ebay is full  of fraud
>>>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud and trust 
>>>> me there are many things to look for and spot if you are going to risk 
>>>> losing your money on a auction or transaction on Ebay or Paypal.
>>>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics and you use Paypal Buyer 
>>>> Protection
>>>> your liable to have to get  it checked out to prove its bad, depending 
>>>> on
>>>> a totally subjective process that may not be consistent, and  so so far 
>>>> I
>>>> can't have
>>>> it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30 
>>>> dollars
>>>> though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you read
>>>> small print and your automatically going to be out that if you complain
>>>> ..so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even with
>>>> paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a bigger
>>>> chance of automatic loss because people who sell and defraud , don't 
>>>> care
>>>> what happens cause you have little recourse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> that's just the beginning of the rants
>>> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay or paypal and please listen
>>> carefully
>>> lots and lots of fees, before you know it, your goingto be taking a 
>>> awful
>>> beating and sabotaging the reason to use ebay in the first place ( sell
>>> items with chance to get reasonable return)
>>> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, 
>>> what
>>> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. How 
>>> much
>>> time do you have? Part of it is because ebay and paypal don't want to be
>>> bothered , cause why should they , if your willing to spend hours doing 
>>> it
>>> for them, or if you decide to give up , they win .When I
>>> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie 
>>> to
>>> you ( swear to God paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
>>> their backs and each representative tells you something different, and I
>>> couldn't make this up even if I wanted to,)or
>>> redirect you to another link. I am sure there are policies in place but 
>>> most
>>> of it is just winging it.  A large percent of auctions are for bad
>>> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never are or often won't 
>>> get
>>> your
>>> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
>>> just
>>> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
>>> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
>>> middleman like a bookie
>>>
>>> Finally don't ever and I repeat this with no uncertain emphasis, don't 
>>> ever
>>> give paypal your checking account . They can and do automatically take 
>>> out
>>> funds from your account. The overall policies affecting complaints in my
>>> view is based on loose interpretations of what happened. I don't believe 
>>> its
>>> very objective but sometimes it can't be with the nature of the overall
>>> process being what it is. I mean anything could be said, from sellers 
>>> who
>>> claim they didn't get their items back , to people who say its not the 
>>> same
>>> item, to people say the seller did whatever and it could go on and on. 
>>> At
>>> some point, there is no way to determine who is right or wrong and this 
>>> is
>>> why more then anything else, the protection programs do not work. Its 
>>> just
>>> as possible to get ripped off by Paypal siding with scammers as it is 
>>> with
>>> them siding for what is right. It really does not matter sometimes to 
>>> Paypal
>>> or ebay its all so subjective. I will repeat this you got to be able to 
>>> spot
>>> the myriad of different frauds and tactics out there and paypal often
>>> doesn't do a thing to remove sellers who sold bad merchandise. NOTONCE 
>>> not
>>> twice , not three times but often hundreds of times. And with these 
>>> people
>>> your suppose to defend your self each time and take out hours of your 
>>> life?
>>> NOOO be prepared to have your money taken out of your account with no or
>>> little recourse. I am repeat , in no way should you ever give paypal 
>>> your
>>> credit information or bank account. I learned the hard way..
>>>
>>>
>>>> My complaints about ebay and paypal are these
>>>> there are many scam sellers who don't sell quality good based on their
>>>> descriptions
>>>> Unless your very knowledgably about examining every detail of item and
>>>> auction you can very easily be defrauded.
>>>> Ebay and Paypal does not make getting help or feedback easy. Paypal
>>>> protection for people who claim an item is a certain way is limited 
>>>> often
>>>> enough  to making said person who got bad item making them pay to prove
>>>> it.
>>>> without paypal protection I got defrauded more times then not. Buyer
>>>> beware
>>>> and its  happened more and more recently.. In my subjective view >> 
>>>> this is a way for people to legally get away with fraud and pay pal has 
>>>> actually lied to me , and
>>>> on
>>>> the phone which was not easy to find the number conveniently. What a
>>>> racket.
>> On another Note You know who does the best on Ebay?
>>>> You know who does the best? People who sell tickets to sports events 
>>>> who
>>>> could not do it legally in front of game or anywhere else. I am not 
>>>> against them I am just
>>>> showing how ebay and paypal just let things happen that usually you 
>>>> wouldn't have happen anywhere else in legal format and in the end you 
>>>> end up losing .>>
>>> that's just the beginning of the rants
>> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay
>> lots and lots of fees
>> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, what
>> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. When I
>> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie 
>> to
>> you ( swear to god paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
>> their backs and each representative tells you something different,)or
>> redirect you to another link. A large percent of auctions are for bad
>> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never or often won't get 
>> your
>> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
>> just
>> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
>> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
>> middleman like a bookie
>>
>>
>> <teethering@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:MGpGf.9028$0i1.4857@trnddc04...
>>> for as long as I am online
>>> Its full of fraud
>>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud
>>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics
>>> your liable to have it checked out to prove its bad, so so far I can't
>>> have it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
>>> dollars though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless 
>>> you
>>> read small print.so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping 
>>> even
>>> with paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
>>> bigger chance of automatic loss.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ">>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:28:29 GMT, "Slap" <slap@gmail.com> wrote:

>I've been using PayPal and eBay for 6 years.  Works perfect as far as I'm
>concerned.  No problems whatsoever.

But your opinion doesn't count, because you're a low-IQ individual.
The kind of person who would post a short reply with hundreds of lines
of previous messages appended to it.  As if you thought those hundreds
of lines would be useful to anyone, to read them again or something.

I have been using Paypal to pay for things I buy on Ebay for 4 years now.
I had one problem where I bought an item and it was shipped to the wrong
address and I got ALL (shipping charges too) my money back.
"Slap" <slap@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hUGIf.12803$B94.2344@pd7tw3no...
> I've been using PayPal and eBay for 6 years.  Works perfect as far as I'm
> concerned.  No problems whatsoever.
>
> Of course I don't expect eBay to bail me out if I make a stupid purchase
nor
> do I expect PayPal to.  It is buyer beware, there always seems to be
someone
> willing to rip you off.  Happens outside of eBay every day.
>
> "Packrat46" <phillip.coyle@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:weGIf.9570$Lr.3481@trnddc01...
> > In some cases this is true. I will never use paypal again after they
tried
> > to rip me off a few years ago and I am not the only one just go to
> > www.paypalsucks.com  and you will see for yourself how paypal works.
> >
> >
> > "ebaysucks" <ebaysuckss@mail.com> wrote in message
> > news:2NEIf.16159$7C3.2841@trnddc08...
> > > This is just my opinion, do your own due diligence
> > > buyers beware
> > >
> > > My opinion is ebay and paypal is full of fraud . Repeat  do not under
> any
> > > circumstance give your checking account or credit card to these
people.
> > > They have figured a way to legitimize  being taken to the cleaners.
> They
> > > will , can and do take your money out of your account automatically
and
> > > you will be left with : DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL . Whenever anyone
> uses
> > > that line DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL , that should tell you, how often
> > > people needed to do just that and for good reason and couldn't. That's
> > > just one tell tale sign its not if, its when and for how much before
> your
> > > going to lose on a transaction. In my estimation Ebay is full  of
fraud
> > >>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud and
trust
> > >>> me there are many things to look for and spot if you are going to
risk
> > >>> losing your money on a auction or transaction on Ebay or Paypal.
> > >>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics and you use Paypal Buyer
> > >>> Protection
> > >>> your liable to have to get  it checked out to prove its bad,
depending
> > >>> on
> > >>> a totally subjective process that may not be consistent, and  so so
> far
> > >>> I
> > >>> can't have
> > >>> it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
> > >>> dollars
> > >>> though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you
> read
> > >>> small print and your automatically going to be out that if you
> complain
> > >>> ..so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even with
> > >>> paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
bigger
> > >>> chance of automatic loss because people who sell and defraud , don't
> > >>> care
> > >>> what happens cause you have little recourse.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> that's just the beginning of the rants
> > >> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay or paypal and please
listen
> > >> carefully
> > >> lots and lots of fees, before you know it, your goingto be taking a
> awful
> > >> beating and sabotaging the reason to use ebay in the first place (
sell
> > >> items with chance to get reasonable return)
> > >> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item,
> what
> > >> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links.
How
> > >> much
> > >> time do you have? Part of it is because ebay and paypal don't want to
> be
> > >> bothered , cause why should they , if your willing to spend hours
doing
> > >> it
> > >> for them, or if you decide to give up , they win .When I
> > >> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ;
lie
> > >> to
> > >> you ( swear to God paypal representatives just lie to you to get you
> off
> > >> their backs and each representative tells you something different,
and
> I
> > >> couldn't make this up even if I wanted to,)or
> > >> redirect you to another link. I am sure there are policies in place
but
> > >> most
> > >> of it is just winging it.  A large percent of auctions are for bad
> > >> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never are or often
won't
> > >> get
> > >> your
> > >> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal
often
> > >> just
> > >> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many
days.
> > >> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
> > >> middleman like a bookie
> > >>
> > >> Finally don't ever and I repeat this with no uncertain emphasis,
don't
> > >> ever
> > >> give paypal your checking account . They can and do automatically
take
> > >> out
> > >> funds from your account. The overall policies affecting complaints in
> my
> > >> view is based on loose interpretations of what happened. I don't
> believe
> > >> its
> > >> very objective but sometimes it can't be with the nature of the
overall
> > >> process being what it is. I mean anything could be said, from sellers
> who
> > >> claim they didn't get their items back , to people who say its not
the
> > >> same
> > >> item, to people say the seller did whatever and it could go on and
on.
> At
> > >> some point, there is no way to determine who is right or wrong and
this
> > >> is
> > >> why more then anything else, the protection programs do not work. Its
> > >> just
> > >> as possible to get ripped off by Paypal siding with scammers as it is
> > >> with
> > >> them siding for what is right. It really does not matter sometimes to
> > >> Paypal
> > >> or ebay its all so subjective. I will repeat this you got to be able
to
> > >> spot
> > >> the myriad of different frauds and tactics out there and paypal often
> > >> doesn't do a thing to remove sellers who sold bad merchandise.
NOTONCE
> > >> not
> > >> twice , not three times but often hundreds of times. And with these
> > >> people
> > >> your suppose to defend your self each time and take out hours of your
> > >> life?
> > >> NOOO be prepared to have your money taken out of your account with no
> or
> > >> little recourse. I am repeat , in no way should you ever give paypal
> your
> > >> credit information or bank account. I learned the hard way..
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> My complaints about ebay and paypal are these
> > >>> there are many scam sellers who don't sell quality good based on
their
> > >>> descriptions
> > >>> Unless your very knowledgably about examining every detail of item
and
> > >>> auction you can very easily be defrauded.
> > >>> Ebay and Paypal does not make getting help or feedback easy. Paypal
> > >>> protection for people who claim an item is a certain way is limited
> > >>> often
> > >>> enough  to making said person who got bad item making them pay to
> prove
> > >>> it.
> > >>> without paypal protection I got defrauded more times then not. Buyer
> > >>> beware
> > >>> and its  happened more and more recently.. In my subjective view >>
> this
> > >>> is a way for people to legally get away with fraud and pay pal has
> > >>> actually lied to me , and
> > >>> on
> > >>> the phone which was not easy to find the number conveniently. What a
> > >>> racket.
> > > On another Note You know who does the best on Ebay?
> > >>> You know who does the best? People who sell tickets to sports events
> who
> > >>> could not do it legally in front of game or anywhere else. I am not
> > >>> against them I am just
> > >>> showing how ebay and paypal just let things happen that usually you
> > >>> wouldn't have happen anywhere else in legal format and in the end
you
> > >>> end up losing .>>
> > >> that's just the beginning of the rants
> > > Here is more in case you choose to use ebay
> > > lots and lots of fees
> > > When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item,
> what
> > > auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links.
When
> I
> > > complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ;
lie
> to
> > > you ( swear to god paypal representatives just lie to you to get you
off
> > > their backs and each representative tells you something different,)or
> > > redirect you to another link. A large percent of auctions are for bad
> > > merchandise to some extent or another, and you never or often won't
get
> > > your
> > > money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often
> > > just
> > > takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
> > > Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
> > > middleman like a bookie
> > >
> > >
> > > <teethering@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:MGpGf.9028$0i1.4857@trnddc04...
> > >> for as long as I am online
> > >> Its full of fraud
> > >> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud
> > >> Even if you buy bad item like electronics
> > >> your liable to have it checked out to prove its bad, so so far I
can't
> > >> have it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs
$30
> > >> dollars though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear
unless
> > >> you
> > >> read small print.so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping
> even
> > >> with paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
> > >> bigger chance of automatic loss.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ">>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Yeah, but at least I top posted <g>.   Only a person such as yourself would
feel obligated to re-read the original posting below my reply.  hmmmm.... I
wonder who is the low-IQ individual.

Of course my original reply to the question was completely 'Top notch' and
offered much information to the posters question.

I've top posted this for you a@b.c so don't feel obligated to read below
this line.

<a@b.c> wrote in message news:18m6v19u4q862mg0qiheqpopf0nuvdtv11@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:28:29 GMT, "Slap" <slap@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I've been using PayPal and eBay for 6 years.  Works perfect as far as I'm
> >concerned.  No problems whatsoever.
>
> But your opinion doesn't count, because you're a low-IQ individual.
> The kind of person who would post a short reply with hundreds of lines
> of previous messages appended to it.  As if you thought those hundreds
> of lines would be useful to anyone, to read them again or something.
>

ebaysucks wrote:
> Let me tell you something. I hate liars and paypal representatives lied to 
> me over and over. I thought I was dealing with real company that was above 
> board with billions of dollars of assets and told the truth.. I now realize 
> why Ebay is full of sellers that paypal and ebay protect no matter if its 
> good or bad.
> "Packrat46" <phillip.coyle@verizon.net> wrote in message 
> news:weGIf.9570$Lr.3481@trnddc01...
> 
>>In some cases this is true. I will never use paypal again after they tried 
>>to rip me off a few years ago and I am not the only one just go to 
>>www.paypalsucks.com  and you will see for yourself how paypal works.
>>
>>
>>"ebaysucks" <ebaysuckss@mail.com> wrote in message 
>>news:2NEIf.16159$7C3.2841@trnddc08...
>>
>>>This is just my opinion, do your own due diligence
>>>buyers beware
>>>
>>>My opinion is ebay and paypal is full of fraud . Repeat  do not under any 
>>>circumstance give your checking account or credit card to these people. 
>>>They have figured a way to legitimize  being taken to the cleaners.  They 
>>>will , can and do take your money out of your account automatically and 
>>>you will be left with : DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL . Whenever anyone uses 
>>>that line DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL , that should tell you, how often 
>>>people needed to do just that and for good reason and couldn't. That's 
>>>just one tell tale sign its not if, its when and for how much before your 
>>>going to lose on a transaction. In my estimation Ebay is full  of fraud
>>>
>>>>>you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud and trust 
>>>>>me there are many things to look for and spot if you are going to risk 
>>>>>losing your money on a auction or transaction on Ebay or Paypal.
>>>>>Even if you buy bad item like electronics and you use Paypal Buyer 
>>>>>Protection
>>>>>your liable to have to get  it checked out to prove its bad, depending 
>>>>>on
>>>>>a totally subjective process that may not be consistent, and  so so far 
>>>>>I
>>>>>can't have
>>>>>it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30 
>>>>>dollars
>>>>>though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you read
>>>>>small print and your automatically going to be out that if you complain
>>>>>..so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even with
>>>>>paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a bigger
>>>>>chance of automatic loss because people who sell and defraud , don't 
>>>>>care
>>>>>what happens cause you have little recourse.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>that's just the beginning of the rants
>>>>Here is more in case you choose to use ebay or paypal and please listen
>>>>carefully
>>>>lots and lots of fees, before you know it, your goingto be taking a 
>>>>awful
>>>>beating and sabotaging the reason to use ebay in the first place ( sell
>>>>items with chance to get reasonable return)
>>>>When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, 
>>>>what
>>>>auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. How 
>>>>much
>>>>time do you have? Part of it is because ebay and paypal don't want to be
>>>>bothered , cause why should they , if your willing to spend hours doing 
>>>>it
>>>>for them, or if you decide to give up , they win .When I
>>>>complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie 
>>>>to
>>>>you ( swear to God paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
>>>>their backs and each representative tells you something different, and I
>>>>couldn't make this up even if I wanted to,)or
>>>>redirect you to another link. I am sure there are policies in place but 
>>>>most
>>>>of it is just winging it.  A large percent of auctions are for bad
>>>>merchandise to some extent or another, and you never are or often won't 
>>>>get
>>>>your
>>>>money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
>>>>just
>>>>takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
>>>>Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
>>>>middleman like a bookie
>>>>
>>>>Finally don't ever and I repeat this with no uncertain emphasis, don't 
>>>>ever
>>>>give paypal your checking account . They can and do automatically take 
>>>>out
>>>>funds from your account. The overall policies affecting complaints in my
>>>>view is based on loose interpretations of what happened. I don't believe 
>>>>its
>>>>very objective but sometimes it can't be with the nature of the overall
>>>>process being what it is. I mean anything could be said, from sellers 
>>>>who
>>>>claim they didn't get their items back , to people who say its not the 
>>>>same
>>>>item, to people say the seller did whatever and it could go on and on. 
>>>>At
>>>>some point, there is no way to determine who is right or wrong and this 
>>>>is
>>>>why more then anything else, the protection programs do not work. Its 
>>>>just
>>>>as possible to get ripped off by Paypal siding with scammers as it is 
>>>>with
>>>>them siding for what is right. It really does not matter sometimes to 
>>>>Paypal
>>>>or ebay its all so subjective. I will repeat this you got to be able to 
>>>>spot
>>>>the myriad of different frauds and tactics out there and paypal often
>>>>doesn't do a thing to remove sellers who sold bad merchandise. NOTONCE 
>>>>not
>>>>twice , not three times but often hundreds of times. And with these 
>>>>people
>>>>your suppose to defend your self each time and take out hours of your 
>>>>life?
>>>>NOOO be prepared to have your money taken out of your account with no or
>>>>little recourse. I am repeat , in no way should you ever give paypal 
>>>>your
>>>>credit information or bank account. I learned the hard way..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>My complaints about ebay and paypal are these
>>>>>there are many scam sellers who don't sell quality good based on their
>>>>>descriptions
>>>>>Unless your very knowledgably about examining every detail of item and
>>>>>auction you can very easily be defrauded.
>>>>>Ebay and Paypal does not make getting help or feedback easy. Paypal
>>>>>protection for people who claim an item is a certain way is limited 
>>>>>often
>>>>>enough  to making said person who got bad item making them pay to prove
>>>>>it.
>>>>>without paypal protection I got defrauded more times then not. Buyer
>>>>>beware
>>>>>and its  happened more and more recently.. In my subjective view >> 
>>>>>this is a way for people to legally get away with fraud and pay pal has 
>>>>>actually lied to me , and
>>>>>on
>>>>>the phone which was not easy to find the number conveniently. What a
>>>>>racket.
>>>
>>>On another Note You know who does the best on Ebay?
>>>
>>>>>You know who does the best? People who sell tickets to sports events 
>>>>>who
>>>>>could not do it legally in front of game or anywhere else. I am not 
>>>>>against them I am just
>>>>>showing how ebay and paypal just let things happen that usually you 
>>>>>wouldn't have happen anywhere else in legal format and in the end you 
>>>>>end up losing .>>
>>>>
>>>>that's just the beginning of the rants
>>>
>>>Here is more in case you choose to use ebay
>>>lots and lots of fees
>>>When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, what
>>>auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. When I
>>>complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie 
>>>to
>>>you ( swear to god paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
>>>their backs and each representative tells you something different,)or
>>>redirect you to another link. A large percent of auctions are for bad
>>>merchandise to some extent or another, and you never or often won't get 
>>>your
>>>money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
>>>just
>>>takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
>>>Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
>>>middleman like a bookie
>>>
>>>
>>><teethering@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:MGpGf.9028$0i1.4857@trnddc04...
>>>
>>>>for as long as I am online
>>>>Its full of fraud
>>>>you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud
>>>>Even if you buy bad item like electronics
>>>>your liable to have it checked out to prove its bad, so so far I can't
>>>>have it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
>>>>dollars though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless 
>>>>you
>>>>read small print.so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping 
>>>>even
>>>>with paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
>>>>bigger chance of automatic loss.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>">>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 
> 
You're full of CRAP
I have been using EBAY for years with no problems.
Me thinks that you are just too dumb to use EBAY
Go away little boy!

If you dont fall for all those spam emails, which you shouldn't, then theres 
no way you shoudl loose your account to fraud.

This means paypal is pretty damn safe to use.  IF you get an email saying 
somthing is happened click here to log in, dont be stupid, instead go to the 
website via a browser first, then log in that way, so you kno you are going 
tot he correct site.

Your user name and password dissapears due to your own fault, not paypals. 
Make sure you know what you click on before you do it. 

Ray wrote:
> If you dont fall for all those spam emails, which you shouldn't, then theres 
> no way you shoudl loose your account to fraud.
> 
> This means paypal is pretty damn safe to use.  IF you get an email saying 
> somthing is happened click here to log in, dont be stupid, instead go to the 
> website via a browser first, then log in that way, so you kno you are going 
> tot he correct site.
> 
> Your user name and password dissapears due to your own fault, not paypals. 
> Make sure you know what you click on before you do it. 
> 
> 
AMEN

Kettle BLACK!
<a@b.c> wrote in message news:18m6v19u4q862mg0qiheqpopf0nuvdtv11@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:28:29 GMT, "Slap" <slap@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I've been using PayPal and eBay for 6 years.  Works perfect as far as I'm
> >concerned.  No problems whatsoever.
>
> But your opinion doesn't count, because you're a low-IQ individual.
> The kind of person who would post a short reply with hundreds of lines
> of previous messages appended to it.  As if you thought those hundreds
> of lines would be useful to anyone, to read them again or something.
>

i have been buying off of ebay forn years

have always used paypal... and i have NEVER once had a problem...

as for ebay, i do admit you have to be careful when buying as there are alot 
of scammers, however i doesn't really take a scientist to point out the 
scammers....
-its the people with 0 or very little feedback who have never sold before
-usually don't know jack about the product they are selling....

i have never had a problem EVER with buying on ebay or paying with 
paypal....


"ebaysucks" <ebaysuckss@mail.com> wrote in message 
news:2NEIf.16159$7C3.2841@trnddc08...
> This is just my opinion, do your own due diligence
> buyers beware
>
> My opinion is ebay and paypal is full of fraud . Repeat  do not under any 
> circumstance give your checking account or credit card to these people. 
> They have figured a way to legitimize  being taken to the cleaners.  They 
> will , can and do take your money out of your account automatically and 
> you will be left with : DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL . Whenever anyone uses 
> that line DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL , that should tell you, how often 
> people needed to do just that and for good reason and couldn't. That's 
> just one tell tale sign its not if, its when and for how much before your 
> going to lose on a transaction. In my estimation Ebay is full  of fraud
>>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud and trust 
>>> me there are many things to look for and spot if you are going to risk 
>>> losing your money on a auction or transaction on Ebay or Paypal.
>>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics and you use Paypal Buyer 
>>> Protection
>>> your liable to have to get  it checked out to prove its bad, depending 
>>> on
>>> a totally subjective process that may not be consistent, and  so so far 
>>> I
>>> can't have
>>> it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30 
>>> dollars
>>> though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you read
>>> small print and your automatically going to be out that if you complain
>>> ..so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even with
>>> paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a bigger
>>> chance of automatic loss because people who sell and defraud , don't 
>>> care
>>> what happens cause you have little recourse.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> that's just the beginning of the rants
>> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay or paypal and please listen
>> carefully
>> lots and lots of fees, before you know it, your goingto be taking a awful
>> beating and sabotaging the reason to use ebay in the first place ( sell
>> items with chance to get reasonable return)
>> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, what
>> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. How 
>> much
>> time do you have? Part of it is because ebay and paypal don't want to be
>> bothered , cause why should they , if your willing to spend hours doing 
>> it
>> for them, or if you decide to give up , they win .When I
>> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie 
>> to
>> you ( swear to God paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
>> their backs and each representative tells you something different, and I
>> couldn't make this up even if I wanted to,)or
>> redirect you to another link. I am sure there are policies in place but 
>> most
>> of it is just winging it.  A large percent of auctions are for bad
>> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never are or often won't 
>> get
>> your
>> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
>> just
>> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
>> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
>> middleman like a bookie
>>
>> Finally don't ever and I repeat this with no uncertain emphasis, don't 
>> ever
>> give paypal your checking account . They can and do automatically take 
>> out
>> funds from your account. The overall policies affecting complaints in my
>> view is based on loose interpretations of what happened. I don't believe 
>> its
>> very objective but sometimes it can't be with the nature of the overall
>> process being what it is. I mean anything could be said, from sellers who
>> claim they didn't get their items back , to people who say its not the 
>> same
>> item, to people say the seller did whatever and it could go on and on. At
>> some point, there is no way to determine who is right or wrong and this 
>> is
>> why more then anything else, the protection programs do not work. Its 
>> just
>> as possible to get ripped off by Paypal siding with scammers as it is 
>> with
>> them siding for what is right. It really does not matter sometimes to 
>> Paypal
>> or ebay its all so subjective. I will repeat this you got to be able to 
>> spot
>> the myriad of different frauds and tactics out there and paypal often
>> doesn't do a thing to remove sellers who sold bad merchandise. NOTONCE 
>> not
>> twice , not three times but often hundreds of times. And with these 
>> people
>> your suppose to defend your self each time and take out hours of your 
>> life?
>> NOOO be prepared to have your money taken out of your account with no or
>> little recourse. I am repeat , in no way should you ever give paypal your
>> credit information or bank account. I learned the hard way..
>>
>>
>>> My complaints about ebay and paypal are these
>>> there are many scam sellers who don't sell quality good based on their
>>> descriptions
>>> Unless your very knowledgably about examining every detail of item and
>>> auction you can very easily be defrauded.
>>> Ebay and Paypal does not make getting help or feedback easy. Paypal
>>> protection for people who claim an item is a certain way is limited 
>>> often
>>> enough  to making said person who got bad item making them pay to prove
>>> it.
>>> without paypal protection I got defrauded more times then not. Buyer
>>> beware
>>> and its  happened more and more recently.. In my subjective view >> this 
>>> is a way for people to legally get away with fraud and pay pal has 
>>> actually lied to me , and
>>> on
>>> the phone which was not easy to find the number conveniently. What a
>>> racket.
> On another Note You know who does the best on Ebay?
>>> You know who does the best? People who sell tickets to sports events who
>>> could not do it legally in front of game or anywhere else. I am not 
>>> against them I am just
>>> showing how ebay and paypal just let things happen that usually you 
>>> wouldn't have happen anywhere else in legal format and in the end you 
>>> end up losing .>>
>> that's just the beginning of the rants
> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay
> lots and lots of fees
> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, what
> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. When I
> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie to
> you ( swear to god paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
> their backs and each representative tells you something different,)or
> redirect you to another link. A large percent of auctions are for bad
> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never or often won't get 
> your
> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
> just
> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
> middleman like a bookie
>
>
> <teethering@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MGpGf.9028$0i1.4857@trnddc04...
>> for as long as I am online
>> Its full of fraud
>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud
>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics
>> your liable to have it checked out to prove its bad, so so far I can't
>> have it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
>> dollars though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless 
>> you
>> read small print.so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even
>> with paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
>> bigger chance of automatic loss.
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