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On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:56:13 -0800 (PST), GreenXenon wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> I’m thinking of a new type of public internet café. This internet café
> is in hypothetical shopping mall similar to the Brea Mall in the Brea
> city of Southern California of USA. The floors and walls are carpeted
> with black carpet throughout the mall – excluding the restrooms and
> food courts – where carpet would be obviously difficult to keep
> clean.


Well from what I read, flaws are abundant in your scheme.
Free dialup? Yeah right. That's only going to invite a variety of problems
to wit you will be held legally responsible. It would be only to easy for
someone to upload a virus into a government machine, which gets traced back
to you, and you wind up in jail.

It would be better, for you, to have the machines all routed through a
central point. The users enter, pay a buck for usage and a password.
Said password is unique to that user. Now when trouble comes knocking on
your door, you can track down which machine was used, by whom, and send
that idiot to jail.

You have a router connected to an ISP which gives you a static IP.
By charging for usage, you cover your costs to connect.
Oh and then there is the rent on the property. Let's say $5,000 a month as
an example. $165 a day. Unless you have more than 20 customers a day,
you're gonna be out of business in a heartbeat.

10 years ago, yeah maybe it would fly. Now with cellphones having internet
access, who needs a damn cafe?

On Mar 3, 9:58 pm, richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:56:13 -0800 (PST), GreenXenon wrote:
> > Hi:
>
> > I’m thinking of a new type of public internet café. This internet café
> > is in hypothetical shopping mall similar to the Brea Mall in the Brea
> > city of Southern California of USA. The floors and walls are carpeted
> > with black carpet throughout the mall – excluding the restrooms and
> > food courts – where carpet would be obviously difficult to keep
> > clean.
>
> Well from what I read, flaws are abundant in your scheme.
> Free dialup? Yeah right. That's only going to invite a variety of problems
> to wit you will be held legally responsible. It would be only to easy for
> someone to upload a virus into a government machine, which gets traced back
> to you, and you wind up in jail.
>
> It would be better, for you, to have the machines all routed through a
> central point. The users enter, pay a buck for usage and a password.
> Said password is unique to that user. Now when trouble comes knocking on
> your door, you can track down which machine was used, by whom, and send
> that idiot to jail.
>
> You have a router connected to an ISP which gives you a static IP.
> By charging for usage, you cover your costs to connect.
> Oh and then there is the rent on the property. Let's say $5,000 a month as
> an example. $165 a day. Unless you have more than 20 customers a day,
> you're gonna be out of business in a heartbeat.
>
> 10 years ago, yeah maybe it would fly. Now with cellphones having internet
> access, who needs a damn cafe?


The PCs are built in such a way that the only thing they can do is act
as chat machines. Hence, all they can do is access the said type of
chat rooms that fit A to S on #11 of the list. Simply put, it is
impossible to produce or transmit malware with this type of PC. This
entire PC is text-only and is meant only to access chat rooms. No
other activity.

No offense but please read the entire post before responding.

My 1st message pretty much solves all the legal problems you
discussed.

Once again, the only purpose of this hypothetical type of PC is to
access chat rooms.

However, you are correct about the money issue.

On 04/03/2011 04:56, GreenXenon wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I�m thinking of a new type of public internet caf�. This internet caf�
> is in hypothetical shopping mall similar to the Brea Mall in the Brea
> city of Southern California of USA. The floors and walls are carpeted
> with black carpet throughout the mall � excluding the restrooms and
> food courts � where carpet would be obviously difficult to keep
> clean.
>

The whole idea of this seems to be to give customers highly anonymous 
access to text-only chats and forums so that they can write what they 
want without fear of being identified.

The biggest trouble is that your caf� would /only/ appeal to such 
people.  So anyone coming in is wearing a big sign round their neck 
saying "I am a spy/terrorist/whistle-blower/hacker/disgruntled 
employee".  Since there are vastly better ways to remain anonymous 
on-line, they can add "I know nothing about internet anonymity" to their 
sign.

If you actually get any customers, you can expect a CIA van to be parked 
across the street - anyone using your caf� will be of interest to them.


If you /really/ want to provide anonymous and untraceable browsing, make 
sure most of your customers are playing on-line games, watching videos, 
etc., and that those that want anonymous access use machines without 
disks, boot from a network image, run Linux, and use Tor for all their 
traffic.

 GreenXenon <glucegen1x@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi:
>
>I�m thinking of a new type of public internet caf�. This internet caf�
>is in hypothetical shopping mall similar to the Brea Mall in the Brea
>city of Southern California of USA. The floors and walls are carpeted
>with black carpet throughout the mall � excluding the restrooms and
>food courts � where carpet would be obviously difficult to keep
>clean.

You put so much time into this, I had to find fault :)

Areas of conflict

* One major hurtle is the "Patriot act" which would require verifiable user
info before accessing the computers, and the ISP requirement of retaining of
records for an extended period. 
http://ixxhq.bav.guidegoods.net/h/isp-data-retention01798.html 
(mentioned PDF file that I can't find, would be a good read).

Our local libraries fought this for a few years. "you look like a George, use 
#45". Now the computers are in demand, and library cards are being used to 
reserve or use the computers (number is required to log on to the computers). 
Just one example.

* The TPM chip is making inroads into the general population and will be in
use in a few year. You don't have a chip, you are banned from the internet.
You spew spam, or have a worm doing it for you, your TPM # is banned from the 
internet (what this chip was meant for in the first place). You own a Dell/Mac
you have the chip for sure, a selling point for my mother board was it didn't 
have a TPM chip installed.

*Your Rom HDD's are flawed, most are made of Static Ram. An example of data 
retention from Static ram is this from the Amiga world. Amiga's only used
SRAM, You could load the copy protected game "Blood Money" for it excellent
audio, then do a warm boot into a program made for this and search the memory
for the audio track(s) saving them. If you were trying to hack the program
that's also an option, by searching the ram. Static ram doesn't need to be
refreshed, so data will last longer.

I always turn my computers off for awhile to clear it out. You really don't
know what's using Static ram anymore, I understand all the CPU cache's use it
due to it's speed.

You not going to make you money back invested into such a public internet
caf�. In fact, you stand a good chance of your IP blocking you, as if I were
looking for a place to send a nasty note to that blackberry that's been
spamming me, that's the place I'd go. You;d be fighting their TOS.

Porn collectors, and sock puppets would be frequent visitors. A mall wouldn't 
stand for it either.

Where you got it right * I set up a few dumb terminals at my place so others 
could log into my Chat board. For just chat you don't need any programs to
run, just a terminal program, dumb terminals of their nature are fairly hard
to find anymore.

Oh ya, your coin burner that's over kill, if your going to go to such an
extreme don't use fire, just polish the coins in a 
tumbler, nobody will complain and maybe even appreciate it.
--

http://kimoracochran.com/mug-shot-day-award-29/

On Mar 4, 4:23 am, Pennyw...@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:


> Areas of conflict
>
> * One major hurtle is the "Patriot act" which would require verifiable user
> info before accessing the computers, and the ISP requirement of retaining of
> records for an extended period.http://ixxhq.bav.guidegoods.net/h/isp-data-retention01798.html
> (mentioned PDF file that I can't find, would be a good read).


Sure the ISP can retain records. So what? At heart, the evidence can
still be made to disappear without leaving a trace.


>
> Our local libraries fought this for a few years. "you look like a George, use
> #45". Now the computers are in demand, and library cards are being used to
> reserve or use the computers (number is required to log on to the computers).
> Just one example.
>
> * The TPM chip is making inroads into the general population and will be in
> use in a few year. You don't have a chip, you are banned from the internet.
> You spew spam, or have a worm doing it for you, your TPM # is banned from the
> internet (what this chip was meant for in the first place). You own a Dell/Mac
> you have the chip for sure, a selling point for my mother board was it didn't
> have a TPM chip installed.


The TPM chip can be design/built in such a way that the # is dynamic
and changes each time the PC is powered-off, completely disappearing.
When power-on, a fresh new TPM ID can be generated.


>
> *Your Rom HDD's are flawed, most are made of Static Ram. An example of data
> retention from Static ram is this from the Amiga world. Amiga's only used
> SRAM, You could load the copy protected game "Blood Money" for it excellent
> audio, then do a warm boot into a program made for this and search the memory
> for the audio track(s) saving them. If you were trying to hack the program
> that's also an option, by searching the ram. Static ram doesn't need to be
> refreshed, so data will last longer.
>
> I always turn my computers off for awhile to clear it out. You really don't
> know what's using Static ram anymore, I understand all the CPU cache's use it
> due to it's speed.


The PCs in my hypothetical cafe don't use static RAM. The consequences
of data remanence are VERY dangerous.


> In fact, you stand a good chance of your IP blocking you,


Free dial-up ISPs offer dynamic IPs. To obtain a new IP, simply
disconnect and reconnect.


>
> Porn collectors, and sock puppets would be frequent visitors.


In USA -- pornography, by definition, involves the use of sexual
imagery --
whether in the form of pictures or videos. Text is not considered porn
even if it is of a sexual nature.


>
> Where you got it right * I set up a few dumb terminals at my place so others
> could log into my Chat board. For just chat you don't need any programs to
> run, just a terminal program, dumb terminals of their nature are fairly hard
> to find anymore.


In this theoretical cafe, each PC *is* pretty-much a dumb text-
terminal.

On Mar 4, 2:08 am, David Brown <da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
wrote:


> The whole idea of this seems to be to give customers highly anonymous
> access to text-only chats and forums so that they can write what they
> want without fear of being identified.


Exactly. What's wrong with that?


>
> The biggest trouble is that your caf would /only/ appeal to such
> people.  So anyone coming in is wearing a big sign round their neck
> saying "I am a spy/terrorist/whistle-blower/hacker/disgruntled
> employee".  Since there are vastly better ways to remain anonymous
> on-line, they can add "I know nothing about internet anonymity" to their
> sign.


Not at all.

My cafe would appeal to those who have the following agenda, described
in the below thread. Read it to find out more about just who would
like to be a guest in my hypothetical cafe.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/234474c056a79315?hl=en#


>
> If you actually get any customers, you can expect a CIA van to be parked
> across the street - anyone using your caf will be of interest to them.


Sure. So what?


>
> If you /really/ want to provide anonymous and untraceable browsing, make
> sure most of your customers are playing on-line games, watching videos,
> etc., and that those that want anonymous access use machines without
> disks, boot from a network image, run Linux, and use Tor for all their
> traffic.


Playing on-line games/watching videos? They can do that at home. My
cafe is meant for text-only correspondence in live chat rooms which
fit the characteristics described in the 1st message of this thread.

Speaking of Tor, many IRC chat rooms ban Tor users by default because
gives too much anonymity.

On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:56:13 -0800 (PST), GreenXenon
<glucegen1x@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi:
>
>I�m thinking of a new type of public internet caf�. This internet caf�
>is in hypothetical shopping mall similar to the Brea Mall in the Brea
>city of Southern California of USA. The floors and walls are carpeted
>with black carpet throughout the mall � excluding the restrooms and
>food courts � where carpet would be obviously difficult to keep
>clean.
>
>There are as many PCs in this caf� as there are chairs. All chairs as
>comfortable [and with the most luxurious, convenient and healthy
>features as one can get � such as wheels and adjustable height]. This
>of type of chair is commonly used in offices.
>
>Each PC has a dial-up controller-based [i.e. purely-hardware] modem.
>
>All PCs in this Caf� are *desktop* and the tables are mounted to the
>wall. For anonymity, each PC has its own wearable monitor. This is a
>plasma-based monitor which looks like virtual-reality goggles. To
>maintain health of the eyes, this monitor has a reverse-telescope lens
>[which makes the visual-entities on the monitor more distant from the
>user�s eyes]. To make those visual-entities easier to see, a
>microscope lens is used. One lens is place in front of this tiny
>wearable monitor, while the other lens is placed in front of that
>lens. Of course, both lenses are inside this monitor. This plasma
>monitor has the following has anti-burn-in technology, is 1080p-
>compatible, and has the fastest refresh rate possible.
>
>The internet access is free dial-up only. This is to help maintain
>anonymity and for the IP addresses to be dynamic. There are ISPs that
>voluntarily provide dial-up for free and without the customer needing
>to set up an account � simply dial the number and you�. This means, it
>will be more difficult for the ISP to cut off service to the caf� due
>to clients venting their anger and attacking chat rooms with socially-
>unacceptable text.
>
>Each PC, modem, and telephone line have the following characteristics:
>
>1. The only ROM is mask-programmed ROM
>
>2. The only RAM is a hypothetical form of volatile RAM chips in which
>all info is completely lost in 100th-of-a-second-or-less after the
>netbook is turned-off. Even theoretically there is no way to recover
>this data unless one completely re-powers before 100th-of-a-second
>after power-off.
>
>3. The OS is installed on ROM chips
>
>4. All IDs -- such as the MAC addresses [including that of the dial-up
>modem], the CPUID, IP address etc. -- are totally dynamic. When the
>netbook is powered-offed, these IDs disappear without leaving a trace.
>When the netbook is switched on, new IDs are generated. In addition,
>this netbook uses the least amount of IDs and timestamps required to
>operate itself and access the internet.
>
>5. There is no malware [e.g. rootkits] installed in any of the ROM
>chips.
>
>6. Chips of the hypothetical RAM listed in #3 substitute for the HDD
>
>7. The clock skew of the PC varies such that clock-skew-fingerprinting
>would be a totally-useless technique to those trying to identify the
>computer.
>
>8. Uses dumb terminals for dial-up internet access
>
>9. Chips of the hypothetical RAM listed in #2 substitute for the HDD
>
>10. There is absolutely no hint of:
>A. ActiveX
>B. Internet Explorer
>C. Java
>D. JavaScript
>E. Audio software/hardware
>F. Software/hardware for images, graphics, animation, or movies
>G. Webcam capability
>H. Flash
>J. Shockwave
>I. HTML
>K. DHTML
>L. Any type of scripting/scripts
>M. Any type of mark-up/modeling language.
>
>11. The chat software [which is built into a ROM chip] is fully
>compatible with everything in #10. In addition, this chat protocol has
>the following characteristics:
>
>A. No download/installation of anything necessary
>
>B. Does not require ActiveX or Internet Explorer
>
>C. Does not use or require Java or JavaScript
>
>D. Most difficult for other chatters to figure out my IP address, MAC
>address, and other electronic IDs.
>
>E. Is text-only [not able to transmit/receive files, images, or other
>nonsense]
>
>F. Does not allow uploading/downloading to/from other chatters
>
>G. Does not allow one individual to message another individual.
>
>H. Does not have any IM/PM capability [when I post my message, I want
>everyone in the chat room to see it. In addition, I just hate it when
>other chatters PM/IM me.]
>
>I. Is real-time - i.e. I post my message and those in the room can
>immediately reply to me.
>
>J. Transmits/receives small amounts of text rapidly - unlike Usenet
>which transmits/receives large amounts of
>text slowly.
>
>K. Allows me to be nameless and still access the chat rooms with a
>blank screen name.
>
>L. Does not give away my email address
>
>M. Does not allow access to audio/video - e.g. no webcam capability
>
>N. Does not require an email address for confirmation
>
>O. Does not use or require HTML, DHMTL, or anything similar
>
>P. Does not require any login or password
>
>Q. Does not require registration
>
>R. Uses the least amount of bandwidth, memory, and CPU power.
>
>S. Generates random usernames for chat rooms and does not allow users
>to choose their names � this measure
>prevent impersonation of real people. These random usernames consist
>of random characters.
>
>12. The modem is for dial-up internet access and is an MPSK-based.
>Most modems use QAM but the modems in this hypothetical caf�s PCs use
>MPSK with the most amounts of bits-per-symbol possible without the bit-
>error-rate getting too high.
>
>QAM = Quadrature-Amplitude-Modulaton
>
>MPSK = Multiple-Phase-Shift- Keying.
>
>13. Each PC has its own modem and each modem has its own telephone
>line. Each phone line has its own phone number and ANI [Automatic
>Number Identification]. The ANI, phone numbers, and other telephony
>IDs are all dynamic � i.e. once the PC disconnects from the internet,
>these IDs disappear without leaving a trace. Prior to re-connection,
>new random IDs are generated. Once again, the least amount of IDs
>necessary are used � for example, there is no caller ID.
>
>14. All the electronics in the caf� are as eco-friendly as possible.
>This means heavy reliance on hash, ROM, and look-up tables.
>
>15. All electronics in the coffee shop are tempest-shielded to assist
>in maintain anonymity.
>
>Use of internet in this caf� is not free. Users must pay in quarters.
>Each PC has its own coin slot, where customers insert coins prior to
>using the PC. The PC does not accept credit cards, debit, or other
>forms of electronic payment � due to security risks. In addition, the
>PCs don�t accept dollar bills or checks � here is why. Bills and
>checks are made of paper [which can burn at high-temperatures].
>
>So what are these high-temperatures required for? To erase
>fingerprints, DNA, hair, body-oils, and other forms of evidence that
>would be on the coins from customers using them. As soon as the coins
>are inserted, permission to use the computer is granted. Right after
>the insertion, the coins are efficiently and safely heated until hot
>enough to completely obliterate any biological or chemical evidence on
>them.
>
>After the coins are heated, they are then efficiently cooled to a
>temperature safe for handling. After cooling, these coins then pass
>through a device that collects coins from all PCs and shuffles them to
>make it much more difficult to figure out which computer the coin came
>from.
>
>This hypothetical caf� does not monitor or log any internet activity.
>
>Though the caf� patrons don�t have to pay for internet access, they
>*do* have to pay the telephone company for providing the lines -- else
>they won't have access to the telephone system to get the physical
>access for a dial-up connection. To maintain anonymity for the coffee
>shop, its patrons, and customers, the staff pay the phone company in
>quarters only. From the PCs directly to the location of the phone
>company, there is a device that will physically transport coins. Of
>course this process is slow but it gets the job done. So in using the
>PCs, the customers are providing the money for the shop�s internet
>access.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Green Xenon


What about the coffee? The pastries?

John

On Mar 4, 8:19 am, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:


> What about the coffee? The pastries?


Yes. There's that too. Yum-Yums with an additional zing of anonymity
to write whatever you want in chat rooms. What more could any warm-
hearted, compassionate, fair, vulnerable outcast -- like me and many
other geeks -- ask for?

I'm a social outcast because of the clothes I wear. My skin is very
sensitive so I can't wear the stuff that society considers "cool". I
cannot adapt to the discomfort, so I have to wear what I currently
wear. I have a best friend who has tried his best to support me but
society started insulting him for hanging out with me. As a result, he
is forced to abandon me.

Because of what society does to my friend and me, I want to punish
society by writing extremely taboo things in chat rooms -- without
putting anyone [including myself] in harms way.

My enemy [i.e. society] pisses me off. To be fair, I want to piss my
enemy off.

With this internet cafe, any social outcast could get on a chair, put
on those goggles, get connected and pester society to their heart's
content. It would be extremely difficult for society to figure out the
who, what, when, where, why, and how of any social outcast venting
their spleen via this cafe.

I have an Autism Spectrum Disorder called Aspergers. This contributes
to my sensitivity to certain fabric. Until society accepts my
"oddities" and treats me as an equal, I will continue to want to
punish it.

On Mar 4, 12:01 pm, GreenXenon <glucege...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 8:19 am, John Larkin
>
> <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> > What about the coffee? The pastries?
>
> Yes. There's that too. Yum-Yums with an additional zing of anonymity
> to write whatever you want in chat rooms. What more could any warm-
> hearted, compassionate, fair, vulnerable outcast -- like me and many
> other geeks -- ask for?
>
> I'm a social outcast because of the clothes I wear. My skin is very
> sensitive so I can't wear the stuff that society considers "cool". I
> cannot adapt to the discomfort, so I have to wear what I currently
> wear. I have a best friend who has tried his best to support me but
> society started insulting him for hanging out with me. As a result, he
> is forced to abandon me.
>
> Because of what society does to my friend and me, I want to punish
> society by writing extremely taboo things in chat rooms -- without
> putting anyone [including myself] in harms way.
>
> My enemy [i.e. society] pisses me off. To be fair, I want to piss my
> enemy off.
>
> With this internet cafe, any social outcast could get on a chair, put
> on those goggles, get connected and pester society to their heart's
> content. It would be extremely difficult for society to figure out the
> who, what, when, where, why, and how of any social outcast venting
> their spleen via this cafe.
>
> I have an Autism Spectrum Disorder called Aspergers. This contributes
> to my sensitivity to certain fabric. Until society accepts my
> "oddities" and treats me as an equal, I will continue to want to
> punish it.

I'm sorry society has treated you so unfairly.  Kids in high school
can be particularly brutal.  Have you read Oliver Sachs, or Temple
Grandin's book "Thinking in pictures"

George H.

On Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:01:19 -0800 (PST), GreenXenon
<glucegen1x@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 4, 8:19�am, John Larkin
><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
>
>> What about the coffee? The pastries?
>
>
>Yes. There's that too. Yum-Yums with an additional zing of anonymity
>to write whatever you want in chat rooms. What more could any warm-
>hearted, compassionate, fair, vulnerable outcast -- like me and many
>other geeks -- ask for?
>
>I'm a social outcast because of the clothes I wear. My skin is very
>sensitive so I can't wear the stuff that society considers "cool". I
>cannot adapt to the discomfort, so I have to wear what I currently
>wear. I have a best friend who has tried his best to support me but
>society started insulting him for hanging out with me. As a result, he
>is forced to abandon me.
>
>Because of what society does to my friend and me, I want to punish
>society by writing extremely taboo things in chat rooms -- without
>putting anyone [including myself] in harms way.

Waste of time. Nobody will be discomforted by what you type, but you
could get arrested if you go too far.


>
>My enemy [i.e. society] pisses me off. To be fair, I want to piss my
>enemy off.

Juvenile. Society will always win this skirmish. Learn to adapt, and
to be happy. Apply your intelligence.


>
>With this internet cafe, any social outcast could get on a chair, put
>on those goggles, get connected and pester society to their heart's
>content. It would be extremely difficult for society to figure out the
>who, what, when, where, why, and how of any social outcast venting
>their spleen via this cafe.
>
>I have an Autism Spectrum Disorder called Aspergers. This contributes
>to my sensitivity to certain fabric. Until society accepts my
>"oddities" and treats me as an equal, I will continue to want to
>punish it.


Have you seen the "Temple Grandin" movie? She's a full-blown autistic,
PhD, who used her intelligence to deal with her differences.

You won't change society, so quit whining and change yourself.

John

On Mar 4, 9:29 am, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:01:19 -0800 (PST), GreenXenon
>
>
>
> <glucege...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 4, 8:19 am, John Larkin
> ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
> >> What about the coffee? The pastries?
>
> >Yes. There's that too. Yum-Yums with an additional zing of anonymity
> >to write whatever you want in chat rooms. What more could any warm-
> >hearted, compassionate, fair, vulnerable outcast -- like me and many
> >other geeks -- ask for?
>
> >I'm a social outcast because of the clothes I wear. My skin is very
> >sensitive so I can't wear the stuff that society considers "cool". I
> >cannot adapt to the discomfort, so I have to wear what I currently
> >wear. I have a best friend who has tried his best to support me but
> >society started insulting him for hanging out with me. As a result, he
> >is forced to abandon me.
>
> >Because of what society does to my friend and me, I want to punish
> >society by writing extremely taboo things in chat rooms -- without
> >putting anyone [including myself] in harms way.
>
> Waste of time. Nobody will be discomforted by what you type, but you
> could get arrested if you go too far.
>
>
>
> >My enemy [i.e. society] pisses me off. To be fair, I want to piss my
> >enemy off.
>
> Juvenile. Society will always win this skirmish. Learn to adapt, and
> to be happy. Apply your intelligence.
>
>
>
> >With this internet cafe, any social outcast could get on a chair, put
> >on those goggles, get connected and pester society to their heart's
> >content. It would be extremely difficult for society to figure out the
> >who, what, when, where, why, and how of any social outcast venting
> >their spleen via this cafe.
>
> >I have an Autism Spectrum Disorder called Aspergers. This contributes
> >to my sensitivity to certain fabric. Until society accepts my
> >"oddities" and treats me as an equal, I will continue to want to
> >punish it.
>
> Have you seen the "Temple Grandin" movie? She's a full-blown autistic,
> PhD, who used her intelligence to deal with her differences.
>
> You won't change society, so quit whining and change yourself.
>
> John


You're right. I won't change society and I don't plan to. I just want
to psychologically-scar my enemies to their very cores. I would like
to do this by writing extremely explicit text in chat rooms. The stuff
I'd like to write is so lewd, perverse, deviant, taboo, and
unacceptable by the norms of society, that it will elicit an
emotionally-charged and violent reaction from readers.

Please note that I gain *no* pleasure, humor, or happiness from doing
the above. I would, however, obtain a temporary but significant
decrease in my frustration and anger against society.

If I continually punish society via my textual attacks, I'm curious as
to what will happen.

My guess is that the media will get involved and there will be mass
societal outrage. The streets will be filled with furious puritanical
buttholes who will violently protest, throw rocks, pelt stones, and
start fires. How cool!

People in the chat rooms will go crazy. They'll start marching on the
streets and violently protesting. They will demand that the government
make new laws. New laws rendering the socially-unacceptable stuff I
write illegal. These people will form lynch mobs forcing the enactment
of new legislations and draconian penalties against the stuff I'd like
to write in chat rooms [which currently don't violate any law].

Am I right?

Currently that stuff I'd like to write in chat rooms is totally-legal.
However, laws can change and that is not good for me.

Public uproar and lynch mobs will force the enactment of new laws
causing what I would like to write in chat rooms [currently legal] to
be considered a HEINOUS crime. After the new legislation is passed,
the law will no longer allow me to pester my chat enemies.

After the new legislation is enacted, anyone writing what I'd like to
write [in chat rooms] will be named and shamed for the rest of their
lives and their identity will be made public.

Using this hypothetical chat cafe, I can write dirty filthy sick
things in chat rooms that would otherwise get me into a LOT of trouble
with society and its evil puritans.

On one of my computer's I'm currently using Tor and Vidalia -- which I
just downloaded and installed. I did this because lost my temper
against evil society. After installing the aforementioned softwares, I
said some very deviant things in a Yahoo chat room. Needless to say, I
got was I was looking for and my IP was hidden. I didn't do anything
illegal but just extremely anti-social.

Here are the responses I got from my enemies:

1. "Die you fucking pervert"

2. "You sick fuck"

3. "I'm calling the cops"

4. "Sicko"

5. "You are one poor excuse for a human being"

6. "You sub-human animal"

7. "Don't ever let me catch you in my neighborhood"

8. "Hope we never meet on the street"

9. "Plan on being visited soon"

10. "Report the sick bastard"

11. "Nasty perv"

There were many more emotionally-charged responses from my enemies.

Reading those responses relieved me of my own anger. I was frustrating
society the same way society frustrates me. I felt I was getting even
with society by writing such filth in the chat room. Now my enemies
will try desperately -- yet fail miserably -- to associate my profile
with my identity. They're probably losing sleep over the stuff I
wrote.

So long as society pisses me off, I will continue to piss off society
via my taboo chat room text.

Since the stuff I wrote is totally non-threatening, there is nothing
the law can do to stop me. The 1st amendment permits me to write
whatever I want in chat rooms as long as I'm not making threats. Sure
it maybe societally-unacceptable but at the same time it is perfectly
legal.

Hopefully, new legislation rendering my activities illegal will not be
passed in the future.

Society has a choice, either modify your rules to accommodate mentally-
ill individuals like me, or face punishment. I have a mental illness
call Autism/Asperger's. That's AFAIK. I probably have other mental
disabilities. In fact, I probably have all the mental handicaps, in
the book and additional psychiatric conditions that have not been
discovered or named yet. In any case, society should simply adjust to
the needs of psychiatric patients -- like me.

So long as society continues to outcast psychiatric patients, society
can except to face extreme retaliation. It's society's fault, not the
patients.

Patients -- including me -- will refuse to be the bigger and better
person. We will keep stooping down to society's low level. Hopefully,
more and more patients will do as I do and society will go insane and
become a patient of its own.

Society should provide free, immediate, and high-quality mental care
to psychiatric patients. Till then, expect more perverse chat room
text from me and my ilk.

Due to strict legal limits on confidentiality, I'm very hesitant to
express my societally-unacceptable thoughts to any therapist,
psychologist, psychiatrist, counselor etc.

This is because, if the thoughts are deviant, the aforementioned
people are required -- by society's irrational rules -- to inform
authorities. This is true, even if the patient is NOT threatening to
commit a crime AND has NOT confessed those people about having
committed a crime.

Also, in the unlikely-but-theroetically-possible event that I'm
accused [even falsely] of committing a crime, the aforementioned
people will likely be forced -- by society's irrational rules -- to
reveal my thoughts in the court room. This would be used to persuade a
jury into finding me guilty. My life would then be in danger
regardless of where my location. People would form gangs and burn me
to a crisp. The lives of my family and friends would also be at stake.

The mental health care system needs to be modified so that patients
can reveal any and all thoughts -- including the most perverted --
without these thoughts being used against them in the legal system.

I've never broken any laws and never plan to. However, if I have any
perverse thoughts, and I express them to the mental health staff, they
have an obligation to report them to authorities -- despite the fact
that I'm totally-innocent in the legal-sense.

On Fri, 4 Mar 2011 11:44:16 -0800 (PST), GreenXenon
<glucegen1x@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 4, 9:29�am, John Larkin
><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:01:19 -0800 (PST), GreenXenon
>>
>>
>>
>> <glucege...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Mar 4, 8:19 am, John Larkin
>> ><jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> What about the coffee? The pastries?
>>
>> >Yes. There's that too. Yum-Yums with an additional zing of anonymity
>> >to write whatever you want in chat rooms. What more could any warm-
>> >hearted, compassionate, fair, vulnerable outcast -- like me and many
>> >other geeks -- ask for?
>>
>> >I'm a social outcast because of the clothes I wear. My skin is very
>> >sensitive so I can't wear the stuff that society considers "cool". I
>> >cannot adapt to the discomfort, so I have to wear what I currently
>> >wear. I have a best friend who has tried his best to support me but
>> >society started insulting him for hanging out with me. As a result, he
>> >is forced to abandon me.
>>
>> >Because of what society does to my friend and me, I want to punish
>> >society by writing extremely taboo things in chat rooms -- without
>> >putting anyone [including myself] in harms way.
>>
>> Waste of time. Nobody will be discomforted by what you type, but you
>> could get arrested if you go too far.
>>
>>
>>
>> >My enemy [i.e. society] pisses me off. To be fair, I want to piss my
>> >enemy off.
>>
>> Juvenile. Society will always win this skirmish. Learn to adapt, and
>> to be happy. Apply your intelligence.
>>
>>
>>
>> >With this internet cafe, any social outcast could get on a chair, put
>> >on those goggles, get connected and pester society to their heart's
>> >content. It would be extremely difficult for society to figure out the
>> >who, what, when, where, why, and how of any social outcast venting
>> >their spleen via this cafe.
>>
>> >I have an Autism Spectrum Disorder called Aspergers. This contributes
>> >to my sensitivity to certain fabric. Until society accepts my
>> >"oddities" and treats me as an equal, I will continue to want to
>> >punish it.
>>
>> Have you seen the "Temple Grandin" movie? She's a full-blown autistic,
>> PhD, who used her intelligence to deal with her differences.
>>
>> You won't change society, so quit whining and change yourself.
>>
>> John
>
>
>You're right. I won't change society and I don't plan to. I just want
>to psychologically-scar my enemies to their very cores. I would like
>to do this by writing extremely explicit text in chat rooms. The stuff
>I'd like to write is so lewd, perverse, deviant, taboo, and
>unacceptable by the norms of society, that it will elicit an
>emotionally-charged and violent reaction from readers.

I hope you are a very good writer. You're up against some very tough
competition.

>
>Please note that I gain *no* pleasure, humor, or happiness from doing
>the above. I would, however, obtain a temporary but significant
>decrease in my frustration and anger against society.
>
>If I continually punish society via my textual attacks, I'm curious as
>to what will happen.

To three decimal places, nothing.

>
>My guess is that the media will get involved and there will be mass
>societal outrage. The streets will be filled with furious puritanical
>buttholes who will violently protest, throw rocks, pelt stones, and
>start fires. How cool!
>
>People in the chat rooms will go crazy. They'll start marching on the
>streets and violently protesting. They will demand that the government
>make new laws. New laws rendering the socially-unacceptable stuff I
>write illegal. These people will form lynch mobs forcing the enactment
>of new legislations and draconian penalties against the stuff I'd like
>to write in chat rooms [which currently don't violate any law].
>
>Am I right?

High marks for imagination.


John

GreenXenon <glucegen1x@gmail.com> wrote:

>I�m thinking of a new type of public internet caf�. 

<ker-snip>

That is a flawed business idea for many reasons.

If you have enough square footage, I'd be more apt to rent a small office (with
a door I can close) on a short-term lease basis.  I wouldn't provide anonymous
Internet services though.  Just a PC, FAX, printer, and all the other goodies
needed for a workstation.  And someone there to sign for packages and secure
them until I can pick them up.

Definetely no dial-up!

GreenXenon wrote:
> On Mar 4, 8:19�am, John Larkin
> <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
>
>
>> What about the coffee? The pastries?
>
> Yes. There's that too. Yum-Yums with an additional zing of anonymity
> to write whatever you want in chat rooms. What more could any warm-
> hearted, compassionate, fair, vulnerable outcast -- like me and many
> other geeks -- ask for?
>
Theres better ways to be anon.

> I'm a social outcast because of the clothes I wear. My skin is very
> sensitive so I can't wear the stuff that society considers "cool". I
> cannot adapt to the discomfort, so I have to wear what I currently
> wear. I have a best friend who has tried his best to support me but
> society started insulting him for hanging out with me. As a result, he
> is forced to abandon me.
>
THats human nature. At some point you depend less on the validation of
others and more on your inner values (moral compass).

> Because of what society does to my friend and me, I want to punish
> society by writing extremely taboo things in chat rooms -- without
> putting anyone [including myself] in harms way.
>
Plenty of Anon forums for that. 4chan, AnonNews,
EncyclopediaDramatica...

> My enemy [i.e. society] pisses me off. To be fair, I want to piss my
> enemy off.
>
Society is comprised of individuals. Blanket attacks are rarely seen as
valid or useful.


> With this internet cafe, any social outcast could get on a chair, put
> on those goggles, get connected and pester society to their heart's
> content.

You can already do that if you look in the right places.

> It would be extremely difficult for society to figure out the
> who, what, when, where, why, and how of any social outcast venting
> their spleen via this cafe.
>
Uh huh. Thats fun for like ten minutes then you realise you still have
to feed the cat, etc.

> I have an Autism Spectrum Disorder called Aspergers.

You and like 90% of the people on the internets.
<nods>

> This contributes
> to my sensitivity to certain fabric. Until society accepts my
> "oddities" and treats me as an equal, I will continue to want to
> punish it.

Aspies need to learn to calm the fuck down.
Jus Sayin
^_^
-- 
http://savewikileaks.net/another-wikileaks-address/
http://www.pavlovianobeisance.com/manning_naked_prisoner.htm
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On Fri, 4 Mar 2011 07:32:38 -0800 (PST), GreenXenon <glucegen1x@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mar 4, 4:23�am, Pennyw...@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
>
>
>> Areas of conflict
>>
>> * One major hurtle is the "Patriot act" which would require verifiable user
>> info before accessing the computers, and the ISP requirement of retaining of
>> records for an extended period.http://ixxhq.bav.guidegoods.net/h/isp-data-retention01798.html
>> (mentioned PDF file that I can't find, would be a good read).
>
>
>Sure the ISP can retain records. So what? At heart, the evidence can
>still be made to disappear without leaving a trace.

Under the Patriot Act, so can you (I can only wish).

>>
>> Our local libraries fought this for a few years. "you look like a George, use
>> #45". Now the computers are in demand, and library cards are being used to
>> reserve or use the computers (number is required to log on to the computers).
>> Just one example.
>>
>> * The TPM chip is making inroads into the general population and will be in
>> use in a few year. You don't have a chip, you are banned from the internet.
>> You spew spam, or have a worm doing it for you, your TPM # is banned from the
>> internet (what this chip was meant for in the first place). You own a Dell/Mac
>> you have the chip for sure, a selling point for my mother board was it didn't
>> have a TPM chip installed.
>
>
>The TPM chip can be design/built in such a way that the # is dynamic
>and changes each time the PC is powered-off, completely disappearing.
>When power-on, a fresh new TPM ID can be generated.
>
>
>>
>> *Your Rom HDD's are flawed, most are made of Static Ram. An example of data
>> retention from Static ram is this from the Amiga world. Amiga's only used
>> SRAM, You could load the copy protected game "Blood Money" for it excellent
>> audio, then do a warm boot into a program made for this and search the memory
>> for the audio track(s) saving them. If you were trying to hack the program
>> that's also an option, by searching the ram. Static ram doesn't need to be
>> refreshed, so data will last longer.
>>
>> I always turn my computers off for awhile to clear it out. You really don't
>> know what's using Static ram anymore, I understand all the CPU cache's use it
>> due to it's speed.
>
>
>The PCs in my hypothetical cafe don't use static RAM. The consequences
>of data remanence are VERY dangerous.
>
>
>> In fact, you stand a good chance of your IP blocking you,
>
>
>Free dial-up ISPs offer dynamic IPs. To obtain a new IP, simply
>disconnect and reconnect.
>
>
>>
>> Porn collectors, and sock puppets would be frequent visitors.
>
>
>In USA -- pornography, by definition, involves the use of sexual
>imagery --
>whether in the form of pictures or videos. Text is not considered porn
>even if it is of a sexual nature.
>
>
>>
>> Where you got it right * I set up a few dumb terminals at my place so others
>> could log into my Chat board. For just chat you don't need any programs to
>> run, just a terminal program, dumb terminals of their nature are fairly hard
>> to find anymore.
>
>
>In this theoretical cafe, each PC *is* pretty-much a dumb text-
>terminal.

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve--true anonymity? Just go to a
nearby apartment complex, you'll find someone with an open WiFi, connect
and post your rants and viruses from there.
-- 
He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who
dares not is a slave.
 ~ William Drummond

GX > Each PC has a dial-up controller-based
GX > [i.e. purely-hardware] modem.

Who the hell wants the low speed of dial up internet?

GX > Yes. There's that too. Yum-Yums

Yet you said carpeting all around.  Cleaning issue.

GX > with an additional zing of anonymity
GX > to write whatever you want in chat rooms.
GX > What more could any warm-hearted,
GX > compassionate, fair, vulnerable outcast
GX > -- like me and many other geeks -- ask for?

Your business model would be based
on sociopaths and psychopaths?

GX > I'm a social outcast because of the clothes
GX > I wear. My skin is very sensitive so I can't
GX > wear the stuff that society considers "cool".
GX > I cannot adapt to the discomfort, so I have
GX > to wear what I currently wear. I have a best
GX > friend who has tried his best to support
GX > me but society started insulting him for
GX > hanging out with me. As a result, he
GX > is forced to abandon me.

GX > Because of what society does to my
GX > friend and me, I want to punish society
GX > by writing extremely taboo things in
GX > chat rooms -- without putting anyone
GX > [including myself] in harms way.

> Waste of time. Nobody will be
> discomforted by what you type,
> but you could get arrested if you go too far.

GX > My enemy [i.e. society] pisses me off.
GX > To be fair, I want to piss my enemy off.

Severe sociopath.

> Juvenile. Society will always win this skirmish. Learn to adapt, and
> to be happy. Apply your intelligence.

>With this internet cafe, any social outcast could get on a chair, put
>on those goggles, get connected and pester society to their heart's
>content. It would be extremely difficult for society to figure out the
>who, what, when, where, why, and how of any social outcast venting
>their spleen via this cafe.
>
>I have an Autism Spectrum Disorder called Aspergers. This contributes
>to my sensitivity to certain fabric. Until society accepts my
>"oddities" and treats me as an equal, I will continue to want to
>punish it.

Post a link to a photo of the types of clothes
society would be forced to accept to appease you.

> You're right. I won't change society and I don't plan to. I just want
> to psychologically-scar my enemies to their very cores. I would like
> to do this by writing extremely explicit text in chat rooms. The stuff
> I'd like to write is so lewd, perverse, deviant, taboo, and
> unacceptable by the norms of society, that it will elicit an
> emotionally-charged and violent reaction from readers.

Yet you claim it would be completely legal.
Doubtful.

> Please note that I gain *no* pleasure, humor, or happiness from doing
> the above. I would, however, obtain a temporary but significant
> decrease in my frustration and anger against society.
>
> If I continually punish society via my textual attacks, I'm curious as
> to what will happen.
>
> My guess is that the media will get involved and there will be mass
> societal outrage. The streets will be filled with furious puritanical
> buttholes who will violently protest, throw rocks, pelt stones, and
> start fires. How cool!
>
> People in the chat rooms will go crazy. They'll start marching on the
> streets and violently protesting. They will demand that the government
> make new laws. New laws rendering the socially-unacceptable stuff I
> write illegal. These people will form lynch mobs forcing the enactment
> of new legislations and draconian penalties against the stuff I'd like
> to write in chat rooms [which currently don't violate any law].
>
> Am I right?
>
> Currently that stuff I'd like to write in chat rooms is totally-legal.
> However, laws can change and that is not good for me.

So apparently you would want to close down freedom
of speech, even though you apparently want free speech.

And you've realized that what you propose is self-defeating for you.

So WHY do something that bites YOU in the ass?

> Public uproar and lynch mobs will force the enactment of new laws
> causing what I would like to write in chat rooms [currently legal] to
> be considered a HEINOUS crime. After the new legislation is passed,
> the law will no longer allow me to pester my chat enemies.
>
> After the new legislation is enacted, anyone writing what I'd like to
> write [in chat rooms] will be named and shamed for the rest of their
> lives and their identity will be made public.

That's already the case for the most part
when law enforcement gets involved.

> Using this hypothetical chat cafe, I can write dirty filthy sick
> things in chat rooms that would otherwise get me into a LOT of trouble
> with society and its evil puritans.

Yet you said it's all perfectly legal.
Doubtful.

GX > On one of my computer's I'm currently
GX > using Tor and Vidalia -- which I
GX > just downloaded and installed.

Oh good, I'm so glad you didn't notice who
actually runs some of the servers they use,
or the funny things somebody slipped into
the code that refuses to let you avoid
certain servers.

The "anonymous remailer community"
has had a noticeable slowdown after the
Adrian Lamo/Manning/Assange thing.

As if the half of anonymous remailer users
weren't bonafide pedophiles to begin with,
now there a military/intelligence reason to
watch anonymous remailers very carefully.

On Mar 4, 4:51 pm, Bug Dout <bugg...@mailinator.com> wrote:


> I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve--true anonymity? Just go to a
> nearby apartment complex, you'll find someone with an open WiFi, connect
> and post your rants and viruses from there.


I feel guilty about leeching off someone else's network. I don't want
that individual getting into trouble for my actions. That would be
very unfair on my part and I am a warm-hearted compassionate individual

On Mar 4, 4:23 am, Pennyw...@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
>  GreenXenon <glucege...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Hi:
>
> >I m thinking of a new type of public internet caf . This internet caf
> >is in hypothetical shopping mall similar to the Brea Mall in the Brea
> >city of Southern California of USA. The floors and walls are carpeted
> >with black carpet throughout the mall excluding the restrooms and
> >food courts where carpet would be obviously difficult to keep
> >clean.
>
> You put so much time into this, I had to find fault :)
>
> Areas of conflict
>
> * One major hurtle is the "Patriot act" which would require verifiable user
> info before accessing the computers, and the ISP requirement of retaining of
> records for an extended period.http://ixxhq.bav.guidegoods.net/h/isp-data-retention01798.html
> (mentioned PDF file that I can't find, would be a good read).
>

How does that effect places like Fed/EX that rent computers by the
minute with no ID required, and accept payment in cash?

-Bill

> Our local libraries fought this for a few years. "you look like a George, use
> #45". Now the computers are in demand, and library cards are being used to
> reserve or use the computers (number is required to log on to the computers).
> Just one example.
>
> * The TPM chip is making inroads into the general population and will be in
> use in a few year. You don't have a chip, you are banned from the internet.
> You spew spam, or have a worm doing it for you, your TPM # is banned from the
> internet (what this chip was meant for in the first place). You own a Dell/Mac
> you have the chip for sure, a selling point for my mother board was it didn't
> have a TPM chip installed.
>
> *Your Rom HDD's are flawed, most are made of Static Ram. An example of data
> retention from Static ram is this from the Amiga world. Amiga's only used
> SRAM, You could load the copy protected game "Blood Money" for it excellent
> audio, then do a warm boot into a program made for this and search the memory
> for the audio track(s) saving them. If you were trying to hack the program
> that's also an option, by searching the ram. Static ram doesn't need to be
> refreshed, so data will last longer.
>
> I always turn my computers off for awhile to clear it out. You really don't
> know what's using Static ram anymore, I understand all the CPU cache's use it
> due to it's speed.
>
> You not going to make you money back invested into such a public internet
> caf . In fact, you stand a good chance of your IP blocking you, as if I were
> looking for a place to send a nasty note to that blackberry that's been
> spamming me, that's the place I'd go. You;d be fighting their TOS.
>
> Porn collectors, and sock puppets would be frequent visitors. A mall wouldn't
> stand for it either.
>
> Where you got it right * I set up a few dumb terminals at my place so others
> could log into my Chat board. For just chat you don't need any programs to
> run, just a terminal program, dumb terminals of their nature are fairly hard
> to find anymore.
>
> Oh ya, your coin burner that's over kill, if your going to go to such an
> extreme don't use fire, just polish the coins in a
> tumbler, nobody will complain and maybe even appreciate it.
> --
>
> http://kimoracochran.com/mug-shot-day-award-29/

GX > Each PC has a dial-up controller-based
GX > [i.e. purely-hardware] modem.

G > Who the hell wants the low speed of dial up internet?

GX > The PCs in this cafe are like text terminals.
GX > Where is the need for anything faster
GX > than MPSK-based dial up?

Invest your life savings then!

> > GX > with an additional zing of anonymity
> > GX > to write whatever you want in chat rooms.
> > GX > What more could any warm-hearted,
> > GX > compassionate, fair, vulnerable outcast
> > GX > -- like me and many other geeks -- ask for?

G > Your business model would be based
G > on sociopaths and psychopaths?

> No, it would be based on warm-hearted, compassionate, nerdy
> individuals [like me] who want to punish society for its deplorable
> acts against psychiatric patients -- such a me.

Exactly, sociopaths and psychopaths.


> > > You're right. I won't change society and I don't plan to. I just want
> > > to psychologically-scar my enemies to their very cores. I would like
> > > to do this by writing extremely explicit text in chat rooms. The stuff
> > > I'd like to write is so lewd, perverse, deviant, taboo, and
> > > unacceptable by the norms of society, that it will elicit an
> > > emotionally-charged and violent reaction from readers.

G > Yet you claim it would be completely legal.

GX > By current legislation it is. I can write pretty much whatever I
GX > please so long as I'm not making any criminal-threats.

You honestly think nobody's tracking you?

Go into the anonymous remailer newsgroup and
search for the court records on Carl Johnson.
The "anonymous remailer community" actually
maintained those records online for years hoping
to use the records to prevent their own arrests.

Check out his story!

LOL

> > > Please note that I gain *no* pleasure, humor, or happiness from doing
> > > the above. I would, however, obtain a temporary but significant
> > > decrease in my frustration and anger against society.
>
> > > If I continually punish society via my textual attacks, I'm curious as
> > > to what will happen.
>
> > > My guess is that the media will get involved and there will be mass
> > > societal outrage. The streets will be filled with furious puritanical
> > > buttholes who will violently protest, throw rocks, pelt stones, and
> > > start fires. How cool!
>
> > > People in the chat rooms will go crazy. They'll start marching on the
> > > streets and violently protesting. They will demand that the government
> > > make new laws. New laws rendering the socially-unacceptable stuff I
> > > write illegal. These people will form lynch mobs forcing the enactment
> > > of new legislations and draconian penalties against the stuff I'd like
> > > to write in chat rooms [which currently don't violate any law].
>
> > > Am I right?
>
> > > Currently that stuff I'd like to write in chat rooms is totally-legal.
> > > However, laws can change and that is not good for me.
> > So apparently you would want to close down freedom
> > of speech, even though you apparently want free speech.
>
> > And you've realized that what you propose is self-defeating for you.

G > So WHY do something that bites YOU in the ass?

> So long as I'm anonymous enough, it doesn't matter if society
> eliminates freedom of speech.
>
> With the level of anonymity this hypothetical cafe provides, the cost
> of tracking me down would be astronomical. Sure it's possible, but any
> rational figure of authority would save their time, energy, and money
> taking a bite out of crimes that really matter.
>
> > > Using this hypothetical chat cafe, I can write dirty filthy sick
> > > things in chat rooms that would otherwise get me into a LOT of trouble
> > > with society and its evil puritans.
> > Yet you said it's all perfectly legal.
> > Doubtful.
>
> Right now, it is perfectly-legal but I'd like to prepare for when new
> legislation is passed -- possibly rendering my speeches illegal.


I see you snipped the following away.
Restored at no charge.

GX > On one of my computer's I'm currently
GX > using Tor and Vidalia -- which I
GX > just downloaded and installed.

Oh good, I'm so glad you didn't notice who
actually runs some of the servers they use,
or the funny things somebody slipped into
the code that refuses to let you avoid
certain servers.

The "anonymous remailer community"
has had a noticeable slowdown after the
Adrian Lamo/Manning/Assange thing.

As if the half of anonymous remailer users
weren't bonafide pedophiles to begin with,
now there a military/intelligence reason to
watch anonymous remailers very carefully.