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In article <3327084B.675F@ucla.edu> nic <notmyreal.e-mail@ucla.edu> writes:

> Anyone know of any good books, videos, films, etc. describing the
> reltionship of dance to courtship/sex/love?

Last Tango in Paris?

Victor.
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In article <3327084B.675F@ucla.edu>, notmyreal.e-mail@ucla.edu says...
> Anyone know of any good books, videos, films, etc. describing the
> reltionship of dance to courtship/sex/love?

It's been so long since I had any dance I'm afraid I can't help you.

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In article <3327084B.675F@ucla.edu> nic <notmyreal.e-mail@ucla.edu> writes:

>Anyone know of any good books, videos, films, etc. describing the
>reltionship of dance to courtship/sex/love?
> 
>nik


>Neither birth nor sex forms a limit to genius.

>Charlotte Bronte


All kidding aside, Try _Dance, Sex, and Gender:  Signs of Identity, Dominance, 
Defiance, and Desire_  by Judith Lynne Hanna, University of Chicago Press, 
1988.  Should be a good source.    (:

Kathryn Long

In article <klong.68.000D3984@ucla.edu> klong@ucla.edu (Kathryn S. Long) writes:

> All kidding aside, Try _Dance, Sex, and Gender:  Signs of Identity, Dominance, 
> Defiance, and Desire_  by Judith Lynne Hanna, University of Chicago Press, 
> 1988.  Should be a good source.    (:

I'm wondering if someone who knows both ballroom and the "nightclub
dances" could comment on this: part of what I like about swing
and hustle is the enormous asymmetry in roles between leader
and follower. Ballroom dances, especially the smooth ones
look much more symmetric to me. At the very least the steps
taken much more alike than in swing, where leader and follower
can even step in drastically different rhythms.

Is my perception here mistaken?

Victor.
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http://www.math.ucla.edu/~eijkhout/                   at night.' [Paul Barber]

nic wrote:
> 
> Anyone know of any good books, videos, films, etc. describing the
> relationship of dance to courtship/sex/love?

How about a T-shirt I saw once?:

"Contra dancing is the most fun you can have with your clothes on!"

regards
-rrk

In article <EIJKHOUT.97Mar13133239@jacobi.math.ucla.edu>,
Victor Eijkhout <eijkhout@jacobi.math.ucla.edu> wrote:
>
>I'm wondering if someone who knows both ballroom and the "nightclub
>dances" could comment on this: part of what I like about swing
>and hustle is the enormous asymmetry in roles between leader
>and follower. Ballroom dances, especially the smooth ones
>look much more symmetric to me. At the very least the steps
>taken much more alike than in swing, where leader and follower
>can even step in drastically different rhythms.
>
>Is my perception here mistaken?

No, I'd agree with you regarding WCS and hustle.  The lead and follow
in these dances is very different, it's almost like you aren't even
dancing the same dance.

Tangentially, Raul Ante says that when he catches a follower to closed
from a free spin, he often does the followers footwork (for the &1,2
and then holds 3).  Says this lets him adjust to her better.  And he
recently showed us a 3-person move where the leader has one follower
in open in the left hand, and grabs a 3rd leader/follower in right,
leading them in closed under the left hand (connected to the initial
follower) and then ends by leading the 3rd leader/follower through the
left hand connection to the follower, breaking it, permitting them to
take up the lead of the initial follower.  Confusing at first, but it
works rather well.  It's best if this 3rd leader/follower really does
know both parts.  He taught this move to a Stanford class.  I love
dancing at Stanford (low snob index, lots of lead/follow reversals).

There's another interesting 3-person move Raul teaches where the 2
leaders have to simultaneously lead the follower and follow the other
leader (well, alternately: &123-lead the follower, &456 follow the
other leader).  This is hard!  You tend to mess it up by forgetting to
either lead the follower or follow the other leader and the move can't
continue.

-- 
Michelle Dick             artemis@rahul.net              East Palo Alto, CA

"Robert R. Koblish" <n3hat@erols.com> wrote:

>nic wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone know of any good books, videos, films, etc. describing the
>> relationship of dance to courtship/sex/love?
>
>How about a T-shirt I saw once?:
>
>"Contra dancing is the most fun you can have with your clothes on!"
>
>regards
>-rrk
Wasn't it Icono Clast who coined, "Dancing--the vertical expression of
horizontal desire?"

Ed     c];^?
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Ed Jay <Xedbj@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>"Robert R. Koblish" <n3hat@erols.com> wrote:
>>"Contra dancing is the most fun you can have with your clothes on!"
>Wasn't it Icono Clast who coined, "Dancing--the vertical expression of
>horizontal desire?"

No but I think he was responsible for these:

  Four score and twenty dances ago...
  Keep your liberty, just let me dance.
  Let my people dance!
  We must all dance together or we will all dance separately.
  I regret that I have not one step to dance to this country music. 
  One small step for a man, a west coast swing for mankind.

and a bunch more that I can't remember right now.

Mark

I tried to send an e-mail regarding this first posting and it came
back, dunno why, anyway the Dancing Series from PBS part 3 in
particular includes some courtship/etc. explication with regard to
Ballroom dancing, elsewhere in the series, there are riffs on the
Christian church and its fear of sensuality as expressed in dance and
in touch dancing etc. also the G. Jonas companion  book [Abrams] to
the series includes some text on related subjects. Hope this gets
thru,--LH***

long@ucla.edu (Kathryn S. Long) wrote:

>In article <3327084B.675F@ucla.edu> nic <notmyreal.e-mail@ucla.edu> writes:

>>Anyone know of any good books, videos, films, etc. describing the
>>reltionship of dance to courtship/sex/love?
>> 
>>nik


>>Neither birth nor sex forms a limit to genius.

>>Charlotte Bronte


>All kidding aside, Try _Dance, Sex, and Gender:  Signs of Identity, Dominance, 
>Defiance, and Desire_  by Judith Lynne Hanna, University of Chicago Press, 
>1988.  Should be a good source.    (:

>Kathryn Long

Xedbj@ix.netcom.com (Ed Jay) writes:

>Wasn't it Icono Clast who coined, "Dancing--the vertical expression of
>horizontal desire?"

   I have the following quote recorded;

[Dancing is] a perpendicular expression of a horizontal desire.
    -- George Bernard Shaw
       _New Statesman_ 23 Mar. 1962

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In article <MPG.d90e6ce669469959896c5@news.uh.edu>, JSalzberg@Yew.Aitch.Edjoo (Jeffrey E. Salzberg) wrote:
>In article <3327084B.675F@ucla.edu>, notmyreal.e-mail@ucla.edu says...
>> Anyone know of any good books, videos, films, etc. describing the
>> reltionship of dance to courtship/sex/love?
>
>It's been so long since I had any dance I'm afraid I can't help you.

Which reminds me:

Person 1:  "Getting any on the side lately?"

Person 2:  "I haven't had any in so long, I didn't know they moved it!"

I think it works well for both topics....

-- Best Regards --

   Lee E. Brown

Victor Eijkhout <eijkhout@jacobi.math.ucla.edu> wrote:

>I'm wondering if someone who knows both ballroom and the "nightclub
>dances" could comment on this: part of what I like about swing
>and hustle is the enormous asymmetry in roles between leader
>and follower. Ballroom dances, especially the smooth ones
>look much more symmetric to me. At the very least the steps
>taken much more alike than in swing, where leader and follower
>can even step in drastically different rhythms.
>
>Is my perception here mistaken?

I like to say that the European model of dancing is a couple moving
as one unit to the music while hugging, whereas the African model is
individuals, as individuals or as a group (but typically not couples
in embrace) really being moved by the music.  (Oversimplification, yes.)

Lindy Hop (and its derivatives) combines those two models.

The traditional European turning couple dances typically are in closed
hold, and totally symmetric, with man's and woman's footwork being
shifted 1/2 phase (or sometimes 1/3 phase, as in the Hambo).

Breakaway hold (or total separation) gives much more scope for individual
motion, of course.

IMHO, 

In the traditional European dance forms, there is close partner
connection, loose connection to other couples, couple autonomy,
and strong symmetry -- *turning* couple dances; -or-
loose partner connection, strong interaction with other's partners,
strong symmetry, strong choreography -- set dances.
There is always a sense of community, with elements ranging from intimacy
and flirtation to social.

Then there are the "20th century ballroom" forms, with strong leader /
follower differentiation.  This started with Ragtime era dances, where
*common* *city* folks started dancing, and the basic dance model became
a man pushing a woman backwards in front of him, as he walked around
the hall.  This gives us strides, especially sideways strides, and
boxes, and straight lines, rather than circles.  (Commercial, franchise,
mail-order dance-schools had something to do with that, too;-)
The theme here involves an emphasis on steps, with a high degree of
standardisation, institutionalisation, and competition.
(Even more grossly sweeping -- perhaps someone can say it better without
making it longer?)

A dance like Lindy Hop has a lead/follow model that permits much individual
freedom, interpretation, and feedback, so that good dancers follow each
other, and both follow the music.  Such dance models tend to include a
high regard for the music, and a strong rapport between dancers and
musicians.  The music itself tends to be rich with as much room for
improvisation for the musicians as the dance gives the dancers ...
Argentine Tango is another example of this model.

(I've probably offended all sorts of folks by not choosing my words more
carefully.  If you are tempted to attack me for my biases, perhaps you
might post something on the topic from your own point of view instead?
(No, not *you* Victor, *you* the reader :-))

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Which dances are the sexyist or most sensual or most romantic?

Why?


 
nik

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nic <notmyreal.e-mail@ucla.edu> wrote:
>Which dances are the sexyist or most sensual or most romantic?
>
>Why?
>
>
> 
>nik
>
>nbrown@cs.ucla.edu
>
>
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>
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Do I Hear A Waltz?????

Sandra


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In article <332DA9A3.11E@ucla.edu> notmyreal.e-mail@ucla.edu writes:
>Which dances are the sexyist or most sensual or most romantic?
>
>Why?

I guess in some sense this is a matter of opinion, but from my exposure to
ballroom dancing, I'd say that some dances are certainly more sexy/sensual/
romantic than others.  Personally, I think that the waltz is quite
romantic, so I agree with Sandra on that.  Rumba is supposed to express
love, tango can be romantic and Argentine tango can be very passionate.
I've also seen a couple of west coast swings that have had a pretty sexy
feel to them.  I'm sure you'll get some additional responses to your
question (and maybe corrections to what I've said here), but I hope this
helps.

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If sensuality and foreplay are equated, English country dance certainly
seems to qualify.  Latin dance reminds me more of the main event!

;-)

Sandra Lee Wollin wrote:
> 
> nic <notmyreal.e-mail@ucla.edu> wrote:
> >Which dances are the sexyist or most sensual or most romantic?
> >
> >Why?
> >
> >nik
> >
> >nbrown@cs.ucla.edu
> >
> 
> Do I Hear A Waltz?????
> 
> Sandra
> 

You know, I am totally fanatic about the Argentine Tango, but here I
think I will agree with Sandra.

Now we also have the Argentine Tang Waltz, so I'm not about to go over
to the dark forces of International Waltz.

nic wrote:
> =

> Anyone know of any good books, videos, films, etc. describing the
> reltionship of dance to courtship/sex/love?
> =

> nik
> =

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> =

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> =

> Neither birth nor sex forms a limit to genius.
> =

> Charlotte Bronte

Tango, and the Political Economy of Passion," by Marta Savigliano,
Westview press.

It is her PhD thesis published as a book and so has a bit more academic
language than the average person would like, however, the topic is
DANCE, the dance is TANGO and association is PASSION and the subtext is
SEX.

Here is a brief review I did for our local Tango Colorado newsletter:

Marta Savigliano has written a very modern (and often readable) book
relating not just the =93objective=94 history of dance tango, but also
exploring sexual/gender, wealth/class and colonial issues.

Her historical window to 1905 Buenos Aires and 1915 Paris is
fascinating. And she deals with aspects of the tango that both attract
and disturb many people. =


Savigliano defines tango as:

=93A dramatic expression (dance, music, lyrics and performance) that
originated in the Rio de la Plata region of Argentina and Uruguay toward
the end of the nineteenth century. The worldwide popularity of Tango has
been associated with scandal: the public display of passion performed by
a heterosexual couple, the symbol of which is a tight embrace and
suggestive, intricate footwork. =93

Is the tango just a leader=92s dance? Savigliano challenges this reading.=

While the follower doesn't lead, she often knows more about what's
happening than the leader: =


=93Milonguitas could challenge their male partners with the thrust and
energy invested in the walks; manipulate their axis an the strength of
the embrace; play with diverse qualities of groundness in their steps;
modify the =93front=94 given to their partners, choosing to =93face=94 th=
em in
misaligned angles of torso and hips; disrupt the cadence sought by their
partners by not converting their trampling cortes at the proper musical
time thus add unexpectedly fancy ornamentations (adornos) of their own
to the figures in order to complete a certain figure, adding small
stompings in between each step, lacing one leg around the back or front
of the other before engaging in a conversion), complicating the timing
of the conversions, creating anxiety, and even causing their male
partners to modify their plans for upcoming steps.=94
In other words Savigliano suggests that the follower provokes and
teases, and maybe controls the leader=92s heart and intentions, even whil=
e
the leader is composing the flow of the dance.

Colin Hume has written several extremely sexy dances, with tunes to go 
with them. One of the sexiest, IMHO, is "Elizabeth", an English Country 
Dance.

Peace.
Paul

On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:16:29 -0800, Jim Mork
<jimmork1@PioneerPlanet.infi.net> wrote:

>If sensuality and foreplay are equated, English country dance certainly
>seems to qualify.  Latin dance reminds me more of the main event!
>
>;-)
My ex-husband was Dominican, and I sometimes warn my dance partners
that I made two babies doing the mergengue!


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On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:47:26 -0800, nic  said.....
>
>Anyone know of any good books, videos, films, etc. describing the
>reltionship of dance to courtship/sex/love?
> 

Gee, sounds like our Quaker councilman is looking again for justification for 
another law to outlaw dancing.

Tom Stermitz <stermitz@csn.net> mentions:

>Sandra Lee Wollin wrote:
>> 
>> nic <notmyreal.e-mail@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> >Which dances are the sexyist or most sensual or most romantic?
>> >
>> >Why?
>> >
>> >nik
>> >
>> >nbrown@cs.ucla.edu
>> >
>> 
>> Do I Hear A Waltz?????
>> 
>> Sandra
>> 
>
>You know, I am totally fanatic about the Argentine Tango, but here I
>think I will agree with Sandra.

That waltz is the most romantic, or that it is the most sensual, or
that it is the sexiest?

IMHO waltz is romantic, but NOT sexy or sensual.

IMHO WCS is sexy, but not romantic.

IMHO rhumba and chacha are sensual, and sometimes sexy.

romance does not equal sexy
romance does not equal sensual
sensual does not equal sexy

These are different things, thus there would be different dances that
would be *the most* in each of these...

YMMV


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Just curious - why?

nik



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> Gee, sounds like our Quaker councilman is looking again for justification for 
> another law to outlaw dancing.

Ahem.  May I direct your attention to the website at 
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jmork, where the debut of the
best Twin Cities (Minneapolis-St Paul) dance floor occurred at the
meeting house of Twin Cities Friends Meeting.  Quakers not only do not
outlaw dance, in my metro area, we build floors on which people can
dance without injuring their muscles and joints!

Shakers were Quakers and danced the devil away in their meetings.

JCDill (jjjjcdill@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: IMHO waltz is romantic, but NOT sexy or sensual.

It's all what you make of it.  I think there is something to be said for a
dance with a moderate, measured tempo, where you have the time to really
experience your partner: to look at her, to touch her, and even to smell
her, all while gliding along to some of the most beautiful music around.
Yeah, it's romantic, but it works for me on a lot of, how shall I put it,
more primitive levels too.

The waltz may not be sexy or sensual to watch, but to *DO*, IMHO, it has no
equal.

I am talking Viennese here too--you can keep your box stepping.

This is not to run down any other dances of course.  We are talking about
an area of the human psyche that is about as unpredictable, irrational
and individual as they get.  What ever works for you, is what works for
you.

Of course, if you do it right, a set dance like the French Quadrille or
Wellhall, or even a Pavan or Galliard (for the truely retro) can be
pretty erotic.  It's all about how you relate to your fellow dancer(s).

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waltern@wilde.rand.org (Walter Nelson) mentions:
>JCDill (jjjjcdill@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: IMHO waltz is romantic, but NOT sexy or sensual.
>
>It's all what you make of it.  I think there is something to be said for a
>dance with a moderate, measured tempo, where you have the time to really
>experience your partner: to look at her, to touch her, and even to smell
>her, all while gliding along to some of the most beautiful music around.
>Yeah, it's romantic, but it works for me on a lot of, how shall I put it,
>more primitive levels too.

I understand!  But, what I think you feel happening, is that when you
are involved in a *romantic* waltz with someone with whom sexy
feelings are appropriate, you find that "the romance makes you feel
sexy".  That *doesn't* mean that a romantic *waltz* is sexy.  Do you
see the difference?

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nic wrote:
> 
> Which dances are the sexyist or most sensual or most romantic?
> 
> Why?
> 
> 
> 
The Swedish Polska, of course.  Done right it's
done slowly and close.  How close?  As close as 
possible, that's how close.  You sense your partner's
every move.  If you haven't tried it, it's a must!

Mel Meer

What about Israeli?

Sexy?  Yes.

Sensual?  Yes.

Main event? Lambada.

k.

> It could be fun to share insights and perspectives on this topic which is
> as controversial as it is tabu (a Maori word meaning much more than
> politically incorrect;-)
> 
> Any takers?

West African dance revolves around notion the Bantaba - "The Dancing
Ground" - among the Mandinka of West Africa. The Bantaba is a place
where community, affirmation, confirmation of self purpose is initiated-
a spiritual circle around which the community revolves. 


Courtship, sex, marriage, inititiation all have dances.


Dance is woven into - and is a part of - life and sex and romance.


Very sexy i think.            

nik



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> All kidding aside, Try _Dance, Sex, and Gender:  Signs of Identity,
> Dominance, Defiance, and Desire_  by Judith Lynne Hanna, University of
> Chicago Press, 1988.  Should be a good source.    (:

I would like to revisit this topic, now that we've had a little light
shed on it.

First, I'd like to ask any one who has the book that Kathryn mentions
handy, to give us a synopsis.  I know it's a lot to ask, so even a tiny
glimpse would be appreciated.

Then, and this is much harder, (since anyone who says anything that is at
all thoughtful here is sure to draw nitpickers' flames), these newsgroups
do have a number of readers with something to contribute to the theme of

gender - sex - sensuality - intimacy - romance in social dancing.

It could be fun to share insights and perspectives on this topic which is
as controversial as it is tabu (a Maori word meaning much more than
politically incorrect;-)

Any takers?

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Tom Stermitz <stermitz@csn.net> mentions:

>Sandra Lee Wollin wrote:
>> 
>> nic <notmyreal.e-mail@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> >Which dances are the sexyist or most sensual or most romantic?
>> >
>> >Why?
>> >
>> >nik
>> >
>> >nbrown@cs.ucla.edu
>> >
>> 
>> Do I Hear A Waltz?????
>> 
>> Sandra
>> 
>
>You know, I am totally fanatic about the Argentine Tango, but here I
>think I will agree with Sandra.

That waltz is the most romantic, or that it is the most sensual, or
that it is the sexiest?

IMHO waltz is romantic, but NOT sexy or sensual.

IMHO WCS is sexy, but not romantic.

IMHO rhumba and chacha are sensual, and sometimes sexy.

romance does not equal sexy
romance does not equal sensual
sensual does not equal sexy

These are different things, thus there would be different dances that
would be *the most* in each of these...

YMMV


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On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:47:26 -0800, nic  said.....
>
>Anyone know of any good books, videos, films, etc. describing the
>reltionship of dance to courtship/sex/love?
> 

Gee, sounds like our Quaker councilman is looking again for justification for 
another law to outlaw dancing.

Colin Hume has written several extremely sexy dances, with tunes to go 
with them. One of the sexiest, IMHO, is "Elizabeth", an English Country 
Dance.

Peace.
Paul

On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:16:29 -0800, Jim Mork
<jimmork1@PioneerPlanet.infi.net> wrote:

>If sensuality and foreplay are equated, English country dance certainly
>seems to qualify.  Latin dance reminds me more of the main event!
>
>;-)
My ex-husband was Dominican, and I sometimes warn my dance partners
that I made two babies doing the mergengue!


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                          --Mae West

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On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:29:23 -0800, nic <notmyreal.e-mail@ucla.edu>
wrote:

>Which dances are the sexyist or most sensual or most romantic?
>
>Why?
>
>
> 
>nik
>
>nbrown@cs.ucla.edu
>
>
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>
>Sex without love is an empty experience, but as empty
>experiences go, it's not that bad.
>
>- Woody Allen

Has anyone considered various forms of Gypsy dancing?  Belly dancing,
and those involving 2 people (or more) are, to me, the sexiest and
most sensual, of all!

email at "Gypsycat@hotmail.com"

       (jjj)jcdill@ix.netcom.com (JCDill) writes:

>That waltz is the most romantic, or that it is the most sensual, or
>that it is the sexiest?
>
>IMHO waltz is romantic, but NOT sexy or sensual.

	Hmmmmmmmm.  Here's the story going through my mind when I'm dancing
a waltz with a good partner to a passionate waltz.

	We're saying good-bye.  This is the last dance we are ever going
to have together.  Now, somewhere along towards the end of the song (waltzes
that I like usually have a fade towards the end, followed by a big
crescendo), the reality that it is time to part truly sets in.  And then it
is time to make a decision: am I going to say my last unforgettable farewell,
or am I going to give everything else up to be with my partner?

	When I can express this through my dancing, waltz can sexy and
romantic.

							-- Andrew

What happened to the Lambada?

>  When I can express this through my dancing, waltz can sexy and
> romantic.
> 
>                                                         -- Andrew

I think the waltz is regarded as sexy and romantic through its
connection to late-19th century continental culture.  Because the
tectonic forces of the 2 world wars were building at the same time as
there was sort of a gilded culture in the aging empires, there comes to
be a sentimentality attached to romance during that time frame.  It is
captured in operettas by Strauss and Lehar (and modern stuff like The
Student Prince).  It is a world that disappeared, was smashed, by modern
war, but it can be recalled through the elegance of waltzing.  And is.

I'd vote for the Argentine Tango.   It takes alot of time to learn but is
worth it.   It is improvisational,
partners in close enbrace, and alot of moves like hooking your leg around a
partner's leg
(called a gancho), etc. 

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On Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:07:21 -0800, Keith Johnson
<folkdancer@nightly.com> wrote:

>What happened to the Lambada?

It died the way it was supposed too...only about 2% of lambada dancers
looked anything resembling sexy!