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I don't believe the monster controls desktop refresh rates.  I KNOW that the
Monster cannot do 60Hz at 512x384, it has to do 75Hz.  I'm doing 800x600
desktop with 85Hz refresh rate.  I'm almost sure the monster has nothing to
do with it.

Scott

Larry Schachter wrote in message <34DD3B7A.9A020DA8@5carroll.com>...
>Have a new PII-300, 128 MB RAM, with an STB Velocity 128 (Riva 128), and
>a 19" monitor.  The Riva works great, but just to muck up the works, I
>decided to throw in my Monster 3D.
>
>Problem is with all this heavy iron, I can't do better than 60 HZ at
>640*480 and 800*600 with Desktop|Properties|Monster 3D settings.  I even
>tried putting SET SST_SCREENREFRESH=75 in my autoexec.bat, only to have
>this parameter overwritten back down to 60 each time I access the
>Monster 3D settings.  Am using version 1.09 of Monster drivers and v1.30
>of the STB Velocity 128.
>
>Could the problem lie with my monitor.inf file?
>
>Any help appreciated!
>
>E-mail response appreciated!
>--
>Larry Schachter
>lrscpa@5carroll.com
>
>****>For E-mail reply, please remove the 5 from the return address<****
>
>

M...,

No, the Monster 3D runs fine in 800x600 mode, and can be set to a
maximum refresh rate of 120 Mhz. If your monitor doesn't support such
a high refresh rates, other options are 60, 75 and 85 Mhz. One of
those refresh rates are supported by most of today's monitors.

Sindar MS_MVP


On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:09:57 +0300 , "Mother" <mirt@slv.dk> wrote:

>>Have a new PII-300, 128 MB RAM, with an STB Velocity 128 (Riva 128), and
>>a 19" monitor.  The Riva works great, but just to muck up the works, I
>>decided to throw in my Monster 3D.
>>
>>Problem is with all this heavy iron, I can't do better than 60 HZ at
>>640*480 and 800*600 with Desktop|Properties|Monster 3D settings.  I even
>>tried putting SET SST_SCREENREFRESH=75 in my autoexec.bat, only to have
>>this parameter overwritten back down to 60 each time I access the
>>Monster 3D settings.  Am using version 1.09 of Monster drivers and v1.30
>>of the STB Velocity 128.
>Could the problem lie with my monitor.inf file?
>YES ! and if the MONSTER is with 4mb you cannot run more than 640x480 ! The
>refresh is ONLY dependant on your monitor NOT the card!!!!
>
>M...
>
>

Hi Larry,

Long time no 'see'. How are you? The Monster 3D runs fine in 800x600
mode, and can be set to a maximum refresh rate of 120 Mhz. If your
monitor doesn't support such a high refresh rates, other options are
60, 75 and 85 Mhz. One of those refresh rates are supported by most of
today's monitors.
I myself am using the drivers that are available at www.3dfx.com and
they come with this handy utility that will let you change the
refreshrates to the above values. This utility can be accesed via a
tab in the Display applet in your control panel.

Sindar MS_MVP

On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 07:58:34 +0300 , Larry Schachter
<lrscpa@5carroll.com> wrote:

>Have a new PII-300, 128 MB RAM, with an STB Velocity 128 (Riva 128), and
>a 19" monitor.  The Riva works great, but just to muck up the works, I
>decided to throw in my Monster 3D.
>
>Problem is with all this heavy iron, I can't do better than 60 HZ at
>640*480 and 800*600 with Desktop|Properties|Monster 3D settings.  I even
>tried putting SET SST_SCREENREFRESH=75 in my autoexec.bat, only to have
>this parameter overwritten back down to 60 each time I access the
>Monster 3D settings.  Am using version 1.09 of Monster drivers and v1.30
>of the STB Velocity 128.
>
>Could the problem lie with my monitor.inf file?
>
>Any help appreciated!
>
>E-mail response appreciated!
>--
>Larry Schachter
>lrscpa@5carroll.com
>
>****>For E-mail reply, please remove the 5 from the return address<****
>
>

If you look at display properties in Win95 (I have OSR/2 so it may be
slightly different) and you look at the Monster 3D settings tab it will
show what the monster is set to for each resolution as far as refresh. 
This takes effect when the Monster is in operation.  On the same tab it
will show what Win95 thinks according to the monitor set-up that your
monitor can handle.  Your Monster probably won't come close to touching
it.  But as far as your Riva's refresh in the Windows 2D environment go
to the settings tab in display properites and advanced properties.  here
you can set your refresh rate for your Riva.  I have mine set to 90hz at
800x600 in 16-bit color.  I can switch resolutions on the fly though.  I
have my Monster 3D set-up for 60hz at the 640x480 resolution and had no
problems.  now is the "problem" you're experiencing a fuzzy picture, and
offsize screen in 3DFx or what?  I had "problems" until I set up a
couple of custom configs in my monitor itself (out of range modes).

CajunHawk



Larry Schachter wrote:
> 
> Have a new PII-300, 128 MB RAM, with an STB Velocity 128 (Riva 128), and
> a 19" monitor.  The Riva works great, but just to muck up the works, I
> decided to throw in my Monster 3D.
> 
> Problem is with all this heavy iron, I can't do better than 60 HZ at
> 640*480 and 800*600 with Desktop|Properties|Monster 3D settings.  I even
> tried putting SET SST_SCREENREFRESH=75 in my autoexec.bat, only to have
> this parameter overwritten back down to 60 each time I access the
> Monster 3D settings.  Am using version 1.09 of Monster drivers and v1.30
> of the STB Velocity 128.
> 
> Could the problem lie with my monitor.inf file?
> 
> Any help appreciated!
> 
> E-mail response appreciated!
> --
> Larry Schachter
> lrscpa@5carroll.com
> 
> ****>For E-mail reply, please remove the 5 from the return address<****

I don't know about the monster and the monitor.inf file, but I have a Viper
330 and KFC 17", I also have a Stingray 128 w/ 6megs.. Well the stingray
works great, but the Viper gives a very blurry screen after a few minutes...
no help from TS either.. So I started to mess with monitor settings and
found the Compaq monitor for 17" works perfect! been running for 4 days and
no blurry screen! go figure its worth a shot..

--

David
Email : durst@axtek.com
Home : www.axtek.com/durst
Desert Air : www.axtek.com/durst/da.htm


Larry Schachter wrote in message <34DD3B7A.9A020DA8@5carroll.com>...
>Have a new PII-300, 128 MB RAM, with an STB Velocity 128 (Riva 128), and
>a 19" monitor.  The Riva works great, but just to muck up the works, I
>decided to throw in my Monster 3D.
>
>Problem is with all this heavy iron, I can't do better than 60 HZ at
>640*480 and 800*600 with Desktop|Properties|Monster 3D settings.  I even
>tried putting SET SST_SCREENREFRESH=75 in my autoexec.bat, only to have
>this parameter overwritten back down to 60 each time I access the
>Monster 3D settings.  Am using version 1.09 of Monster drivers and v1.30
>of the STB Velocity 128.
>
>Could the problem lie with my monitor.inf file?
>
>Any help appreciated!
>
>E-mail response appreciated!
>--
>Larry Schachter
>lrscpa@5carroll.com
>
>****>For E-mail reply, please remove the 5 from the return address<****
>
>

> Problem is with all this heavy iron, I can't do better than 60 HZ at
> 640*480 and 800*600 with Desktop|Properties|Monster 3D settings.  I even
> tried putting SET SST_SCREENREFRESH=75 in my autoexec.bat, only to have
> this parameter overwritten back down to 60 each time I access the
> Monster 3D settings.  Am using version 1.09 of Monster drivers and v1.30
> of the STB Velocity 128.
> 
> Could the problem lie with my monitor.inf file?

Yes, I think that's the problem because I had the same thing with my
Monster 3D.
You have to select another monitor from the list (Display Settings ->
Monitor) which support a higher refresh-rate. Just take an expensive one...
Then you can choose another refresh-rate for the Monster. When you "fooled"
the card, select your old Monitor setting. It worked for me !!!

Bram
e-mail: bdenboer@usa.net

Problem was with the monitor.inf file.  My new Gateway called the monitor a DCC
Vesa Compliant.  Went to the MAG site, and downloaded their mag.inf, installed
it and viola!




> > Problem is with all this heavy iron, I can't do better than 60 HZ at
> > 640*480 and 800*600 with Desktop|Properties|Monster 3D settings.  I even
> > tried putting SET SST_SCREENREFRESH=75 in my autoexec.bat, only to have
> > this parameter overwritten back down to 60 each time I access the
> > Monster 3D settings.  Am using version 1.09 of Monster drivers and v1.30
> > of the STB Velocity 128.
> >
> > Could the problem lie with my monitor.inf file?



--
Larry Schachter
lrscpa@carroll.com

****>For E-mail reply, please remove the 5 from the return address<****

>Have a new PII-300, 128 MB RAM, with an STB Velocity 128 (Riva 128), and
>a 19" monitor.  The Riva works great, but just to muck up the works, I
>decided to throw in my Monster 3D.
>
>Problem is with all this heavy iron, I can't do better than 60 HZ at
>640*480 and 800*600 with Desktop|Properties|Monster 3D settings.  I even
>tried putting SET SST_SCREENREFRESH=75 in my autoexec.bat, only to have
>this parameter overwritten back down to 60 each time I access the
>Monster 3D settings.  Am using version 1.09 of Monster drivers and v1.30
>of the STB Velocity 128.
Could the problem lie with my monitor.inf file?
YES ! and if the MONSTER is with 4mb you cannot run more than 640x480 ! The
refresh is ONLY dependant on your monitor NOT the card!!!!

M...

You can run 800x600 with the Monster - FS98 does it.

Mother wrote in message <6bji7t$sfj$1@news1.inet.tele.dk>...
>>Have a new PII-300, 128 MB RAM, with an STB Velocity 128 (Riva 128), and
>>a 19" monitor.  The Riva works great, but just to muck up the works, I
>>decided to throw in my Monster 3D.
>>
>>Problem is with all this heavy iron, I can't do better than 60 HZ at
>>640*480 and 800*600 with Desktop|Properties|Monster 3D settings.  I even
>>tried putting SET SST_SCREENREFRESH=75 in my autoexec.bat, only to have
>>this parameter overwritten back down to 60 each time I access the
>>Monster 3D settings.  Am using version 1.09 of Monster drivers and v1.30
>>of the STB Velocity 128.
>Could the problem lie with my monitor.inf file?
>YES ! and if the MONSTER is with 4mb you cannot run more than 640x480 ! The
>refresh is ONLY dependant on your monitor NOT the card!!!!
>
>M...
>
>

On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 04:58:34 GMT, Larry Schachter <lrscpa@5carroll.com>
wrote:

>Have a new PII-300, 128 MB RAM, with an STB Velocity 128 (Riva 128), and
>a 19" monitor.  The Riva works great, but just to muck up the works, I
>decided to throw in my Monster 3D.
>
>Problem is with all this heavy iron, I can't do better than 60 HZ at
>640*480 and 800*600 with Desktop|Properties|Monster 3D settings.  I even
>tried putting SET SST_SCREENREFRESH=75 in my autoexec.bat, only to have
>this parameter overwritten back down to 60 each time I access the
>Monster 3D settings.  Am using version 1.09 of Monster drivers and v1.30
>of the STB Velocity 128.
>
>Could the problem lie with my monitor.inf file?

Make sure that you actually have something set for your monitor type
in My Computer -> Device Manager -> Monitor.

I originally used the Matrox MGA monitor settings to pick my monitor,
and you don't see the selection under My Computer, thus limiting my
Monster3D to 60Hz.  



----
Kal Wallner
Montreal, Canada             ICQ: 1103841

NOTE: Remove 'NO_CANNED_MEAT' from my email when replying directly!

In article <34e86e2e.21009685@news.intekom.co.za>, 
schwann@NOSPAMwebtrance.co.za says...
>
>kwallner@alt.netNO_CANNED_MEAT (Kal Wallner) wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 04:58:34 GMT, Larry Schachter <lrscpa@5carroll.com>
>>wrote:


I had the same problem until i went to my monitor manufacturers site and got 
the INF file for my monitor. I let the My Comp/display see it..and monster then 
gave me my choices of my monitors refresh rate. The generic monitor setting in 
display holds the refresh rate down.

hard

kwallner@alt.netNO_CANNED_MEAT (Kal Wallner) wrote:

>On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 04:58:34 GMT, Larry Schachter <lrscpa@5carroll.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Have a new PII-300, 128 MB RAM, with an STB Velocity 128 (Riva 128), and
>>a 19" monitor.  The Riva works great, but just to muck up the works, I
>>decided to throw in my Monster 3D.
>>
>>Problem is with all this heavy iron, I can't do better than 60 HZ at
>>640*480 and 800*600 with Desktop|Properties|Monster 3D settings. 
>
>I originally used the Matrox MGA monitor settings to pick my monitor,
>and you don't see the selection under My Computer, thus limiting my
>Monster3D to 60Hz.  
>
>

yeh i got the same problem with the voodoo and a 200 pro with 64 ram.
setting up the refresh to even 70 mhz gives me no Quake i can use. 
but isn't it the monitor thats responsible? maybe if i get a better
screen it'll setup? there's a warning in windows that a refresh thats
too high can damage your monitor. does anyone know any more on this?

blue skies,

schwann

Schwann,

You're absolutely right.  The ultimate limit is imposed by the best common
video card-monitor setting for a given resoultion and color depth.

In a perfect world, each device's driver would be able to detect the highest
common setting from the others.  However, due to shortcutting, revisions,
BIOS updates etc, that may not reflect across the board, some vendors
include custom settings, like Matrox does with its MGA PowerDesk utilities
for use with monitors instead of the default monitor drivers.

In MOST cases, there should be no problem letting windows do its job.  But
for any of the reasons I mention above, if one or all participants decides
to misbehave, then some manual tweaking is in order.

I can't think of a case where this is application-dependent, at least most
certainly not within FS98.  I hope this helps!

Kindest Regards,

William R. (Bill) Hoscheit
Pacific Presentation Graphics (PCMedix)
Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MSMVP)
System Operator - Internet Gaming Zone (+hoscheit)

http://www.hoscheit.com


Schwann wrote in message <34e86e2e.21009685@news.intekom.co.za>...
>kwallner@alt.netNO_CANNED_MEAT (Kal Wallner) wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 04:58:34 GMT, Larry Schachter <lrscpa@5carroll.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Have a new PII-300, 128 MB RAM, with an STB Velocity 128 (Riva 128), and
>>>a 19" monitor.  The Riva works great, but just to muck up the works, I
>>>decided to throw in my Monster 3D.
>>>
>>>Problem is with all this heavy iron, I can't do better than 60 HZ at
>>>640*480 and 800*600 with Desktop|Properties|Monster 3D settings.
>>
>>I originally used the Matrox MGA monitor settings to pick my monitor,
>>and you don't see the selection under My Computer, thus limiting my
>>Monster3D to 60Hz.
>>
>>
>
>yeh i got the same problem with the voodoo and a 200 pro with 64 ram.
>setting up the refresh to even 70 mhz gives me no Quake i can use.
>but isn't it the monitor thats responsible? maybe if i get a better
>screen it'll setup? there's a warning in windows that a refresh thats
>too high can damage your monitor. does anyone know any more on this?
>
>blue skies,
>
>schwann
>

William R. (Bill) Hoscheit wrote:

> Schwann,
>
> You're absolutely right.  The ultimate limit is imposed by the best common
> video card-monitor setting for a given resoultion and color depth.
>
> In a perfect world, each device's driver would be able to detect the highest
> common setting from the others.  However, due to shortcutting, revisions,
> BIOS updates etc, that may not reflect across the board, some vendors
> include custom settings, like Matrox does with its MGA PowerDesk utilities
> for use with monitors instead of the default monitor drivers.
>
> In MOST cases, there should be no problem letting windows do its job.  But
> for any of the reasons I mention above, if one or all participants decides
> to misbehave, then some manual tweaking is in order.
>
> I can't think of a case where this is application-dependent, at least most
> certainly not within FS98.  I hope this helps!
>
> Kindest Regards,
>
> William R. (Bill) Hoscheit
> Pacific Presentation Graphics (PCMedix)
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MSMVP)
> System Operator - Internet Gaming Zone (+hoscheit)
>
> http://www.hoscheit.com
>
> Schwann wrote in message <34e86e2e.21009685@news.intekom.co.za>...
> >kwallner@alt.netNO_CANNED_MEAT (Kal Wallner) wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 04:58:34 GMT, Larry Schachter <lrscpa@5carroll.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>Have a new PII-300, 128 MB RAM, with an STB Velocity 128 (Riva 128), and
> >>>a 19" monitor.  The Riva works great, but just to muck up the works, I
> >>>decided to throw in my Monster 3D.
> >>>
> >>>Problem is with all this heavy iron, I can't do better than 60 HZ at
> >>>640*480 and 800*600 with Desktop|Properties|Monster 3D settings.
> >>
> >>I originally used the Matrox MGA monitor settings to pick my monitor,
> >>and you don't see the selection under My Computer, thus limiting my
> >>Monster3D to 60Hz.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >yeh i got the same problem with the voodoo and a 200 pro with 64 ram.
> >setting up the refresh to even 70 mhz gives me no Quake i can use.
> >but isn't it the monitor thats responsible? maybe if i get a better
> >screen it'll setup? there's a warning in windows that a refresh thats
> >too high can damage your monitor. does anyone know any more on this?
> >
> >blue skies,
> >
> >schwann
> >

  Sorry to quote all of this text above -- guess I came in late. Maybe I'm
missing something here but with my Monster3D, I'm running at a 75Hz refresh
rate, this as shown by the monitor's on-screen info (not Win95) -- 60Hz is the
default only. Am I missing something here...?

....larry

Larry Bourdillon wrote in message <34E8E5C5.AD903B2D@ix.netcom.com>...

<SNIP>

>  Sorry to quote all of this text above -- guess I came in late. Maybe I'm
>missing something here but with my Monster3D, I'm running at a 75Hz refresh
>rate, this as shown by the monitor's on-screen info (not Win95) -- 60Hz is
the
>default only. Am I missing something here...?


I don't think so Larry, I am running at 100mhz to120mhz on my system per the
monitor on-screen info.  If I turn down the juice to 60mhz, you can see the
difference.  It does seem to depend on the 2D card as well.  With my last
card, 60mhz was all she could do.

Dan Crenshaw
"CRASH"
*crash*@*deltahawks.org*
DCO, 209th VFS Delta Hawks
"Outta missiles, outta bullets, down to harsh language."
http://www.deltahawks.org
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