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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:11:50 -0000, Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote:

> Two changes at Altopia today:
>
>  - We have enabled SSL NNTP access for all accounts.  Standard port 563.
>    No additional cost.
>
>  - We now have a $12 per month unthrottled/unlimited offering.  Existing
>    customers can adjust their account via the "Account Maintenance"
>    section of:
>
>       https://www.altopia.com/
>
> Much appreciation for your new or continued patronage,
> Chris Caputo
> President, Altopia Corporation

Those of us already on $12 a month 256kbit/sec are now automatically on unlimited?  Or do we have to adjust our accounton the webpage?

Mine seems to be still running at 256.

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"Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> writes:
>On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:11:50 -0000, Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote:
>> Two changes at Altopia today:
>>
>>  - We have enabled SSL NNTP access for all accounts.  Standard port 563.
>>    No additional cost.
>>
>>  - We now have a $12 per month unthrottled/unlimited offering.  Existing
>>    customers can adjust their account via the "Account Maintenance"
>>    section of:
>>
>>       https://www.altopia.com/
>>
>> Much appreciation for your new or continued patronage,
>> Chris Caputo
>> President, Altopia Corporation
>
>Those of us already on $12 a month 256kbit/sec are now automatically on 
>unlimited?  Or do we have to adjust our accounton the webpage?
>
>Mine seems to be still running at 256.

Please adjust your account on the web site or simply let me know at 
support@altopia.com.

For the time being, I have made it so the server is no longer limiting 
anyone on the old plans at 256kbit or above, so you should not be being 
throttled.

Does the traceroute to you (https://www.altopia.com/cgi-bin/nph-trace) 
look good?

Thanks,
Chris Caputo
President, Altopia Corporation

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:03:01 -0000, Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote:

> "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> writes:
>> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:11:50 -0000, Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote:
>>> Two changes at Altopia today:
>>>
>>>  - We have enabled SSL NNTP access for all accounts.  Standard port 563.
>>>    No additional cost.
>>>
>>>  - We now have a $12 per month unthrottled/unlimited offering.  Existing
>>>    customers can adjust their account via the "Account Maintenance"
>>>    section of:
>>>
>>>       https://www.altopia.com/
>>>
>>> Much appreciation for your new or continued patronage,
>>> Chris Caputo
>>> President, Altopia Corporation
>>
>> Those of us already on $12 a month 256kbit/sec are now automatically on
>> unlimited?  Or do we have to adjust our accounton the webpage?
>>
>> Mine seems to be still running at 256.
>
> Please adjust your account on the web site or simply let me know at
> support@altopia.com.

Done.

> For the time being, I have made it so the server is no longer limiting
> anyone on the old plans at 256kbit or above, so you should not be being
> throttled.

Thanks.  I'm getting awful speeds just now, but that's probably my line's fault, it did disconnect 5 minutes ago.  I'll check speeds again tomorrow.

> Does the traceroute to you (https://www.altopia.com/cgi-bin/nph-trace)
> look good?

Yes!  Only one hop other than the Altopia one and my ISP ones.

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Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote:

> (-) writes:
>>On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:11:50 +0000 (UTC), Chris Caputo
>><ccaputo@alt.net> wrote: 
>>>Two changes at Altopia today:
>>>
>>> - We have enabled SSL NNTP access for all accounts.  Standard port
>>> 563.  
>>>   No additional cost.
>>>
>>> - We now have a $12 per month unthrottled/unlimited offering. 
>>> Existing 
>>>   customers can adjust their account via the "Account Maintenance"  
>>>   section of:
>>>
>>>      https://www.altopia.com/
>>>
>>>Much appreciation for your new or continued patronage,
>>>Chris Caputo
>>>President, Altopia Corporation
>>
>>When does the filing of bankruptcy come?
> 
> Bankruptcy is for when you can't pay your bills.  Altopia has been 
> profitable, and paying its bills on time, since its first year - 1995.

But it appears that after "paying its bills on time", the concept of 
retention was reduced to procrastination and thrown out the window.
> 
>>Or just trying to get some more pigeons first?
> 
> Not sure what that means.  But seriously, we have a lot of excess
> capacity and so I figured it would be good to work to increase
> profitability (duh!) so we can increase retention more quickly.

Nine days of retention is evidence that Altopia is light years behind the 
competition. It's a sad testament that reveals a lack of planning and 
involved the least bit of effort running a business. All of these factors 
should be attributed to a dismal profit margin and motivation to 
participate in a fruitless venture.
> 
> Come on back y'all!  :-)

Keep waving the banner of stupidity and crowds will flock from uncharted 
destinations for the entertainment.

Scott <Scott@floods.org> writes:
>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote:
>> (-) writes:
>>>On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:11:50 +0000 (UTC), Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote: 
>>>>Two changes at Altopia today:
>>>>
>>>> - We have enabled SSL NNTP access for all accounts.  Standard port 
>>>>   563.  No additional cost.
>>>>
>>>> - We now have a $12 per month unthrottled/unlimited offering.  
>>>>   Existing customers can adjust their account via the "Account 
>>>>   Maintenance"  section of:
>>>>
>>>>      https://www.altopia.com/
>>>>
>>>>Much appreciation for your new or continued patronage,
>>>>Chris Caputo
>>>>President, Altopia Corporation
>>>
>>>When does the filing of bankruptcy come?
>> 
>> Bankruptcy is for when you can't pay your bills.  Altopia has been 
>> profitable, and paying its bills on time, since its first year - 1995.
>
>But it appears that after "paying its bills on time", the concept of 
>retention was reduced to procrastination and thrown out the window.
> 
>>>Or just trying to get some more pigeons first?
> 
>> Not sure what that means.  But seriously, we have a lot of excess
>> capacity and so I figured it would be good to work to increase
>> profitability (duh!) so we can increase retention more quickly.
>
>Nine days of retention is evidence that Altopia is light years behind the 
>competition. It's a sad testament that reveals a lack of planning and 
>involved the least bit of effort running a business. All of these factors 
>should be attributed to a dismal profit margin and motivation to 
>participate in a fruitless venture.
> 
>> Come on back y'all!  :-)
>
>Keep waving the banner of stupidity and crowds will flock from uncharted 
>destinations for the entertainment.

Criticism accepted.  If endless binaries retention is what someone cares 
about, obviously we aren't the best service for them.

As our web site says: "... we have worked hard to continue to be a source 
for uncensored Usenet access.  In addition to carrying any group 
requested, we also try to push the limits on freedom of expression so that 
our customers can type what they want, without worry."

Chris Caputo
President, Altopia Corporation

Chris Caputo wrote:
> Scott <Scott@floods.org> writes:
> 
>>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote:
>>
>>>(-) writes:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:11:50 +0000 (UTC), Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote: 
>>>>
>>>>>Two changes at Altopia today:
>>>>>
>>>>>- We have enabled SSL NNTP access for all accounts.  Standard port 
>>>>>  563.  No additional cost.
>>>>>
>>>>>- We now have a $12 per month unthrottled/unlimited offering.  
>>>>>  Existing customers can adjust their account via the "Account 
>>>>>  Maintenance"  section of:
>>>>>
>>>>>     https://www.altopia.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>Much appreciation for your new or continued patronage,
>>>>>Chris Caputo
>>>>>President, Altopia Corporation
>>>>
>>>>When does the filing of bankruptcy come?
>>>
>>>Bankruptcy is for when you can't pay your bills.  Altopia has been 
>>>profitable, and paying its bills on time, since its first year - 1995.
>>
>>But it appears that after "paying its bills on time", the concept of 
>>retention was reduced to procrastination and thrown out the window.
>>
>>
>>>>Or just trying to get some more pigeons first?
>>>
>>>Not sure what that means.  But seriously, we have a lot of excess
>>>capacity and so I figured it would be good to work to increase
>>>profitability (duh!) so we can increase retention more quickly.
>>
>>Nine days of retention is evidence that Altopia is light years behind the 
>>competition. It's a sad testament that reveals a lack of planning and 
>>involved the least bit of effort running a business. All of these factors 
>>should be attributed to a dismal profit margin and motivation to 
>>participate in a fruitless venture.
>>
>>
>>>Come on back y'all!  :-)
>>
>>Keep waving the banner of stupidity and crowds will flock from uncharted 
>>destinations for the entertainment.
> 
> 
> Criticism accepted.  If endless binaries retention is what someone cares 
> about, obviously we aren't the best service for them.
> 
> As our web site says: "... we have worked hard to continue to be a source 
> for uncensored Usenet access.  In addition to carrying any group 
> requested, we also try to push the limits on freedom of expression so that 
> our customers can type what they want, without worry."

And post binaries, without worry?

:-)

Uni

> 
> Chris Caputo
> President, Altopia Corporation

Uni <no.email@no.email.invalid> writes:
>Chris Caputo wrote:
>> Scott <Scott@floods.org> writes:
>>>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote:
>>>>(-) writes:
>>>>>On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:11:50 +0000 (UTC), Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote: 
>>>>>>Two changes at Altopia today:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- We have enabled SSL NNTP access for all accounts.  Standard port 
>>>>>>  563.  No additional cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- We now have a $12 per month unthrottled/unlimited offering.  
>>>>>>  Existing customers can adjust their account via the "Account 
>>>>>>  Maintenance"  section of:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     https://www.altopia.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Much appreciation for your new or continued patronage,
>>>>>>Chris Caputo
>>>>>>President, Altopia Corporation
>>>>>
>>>>>When does the filing of bankruptcy come?
>>>>
>>>>Bankruptcy is for when you can't pay your bills.  Altopia has been 
>>>>profitable, and paying its bills on time, since its first year - 1995.
>>>
>>>But it appears that after "paying its bills on time", the concept of 
>>>retention was reduced to procrastination and thrown out the window.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Or just trying to get some more pigeons first?
>>>>
>>>>Not sure what that means.  But seriously, we have a lot of excess
>>>>capacity and so I figured it would be good to work to increase
>>>>profitability (duh!) so we can increase retention more quickly.
>>>
>>>Nine days of retention is evidence that Altopia is light years behind the 
>>>competition. It's a sad testament that reveals a lack of planning and 
>>>involved the least bit of effort running a business. All of these factors 
>>>should be attributed to a dismal profit margin and motivation to 
>>>participate in a fruitless venture.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Come on back y'all!  :-)
>>>
>>>Keep waving the banner of stupidity and crowds will flock from uncharted 
>>>destinations for the entertainment.
>> 
>> 
>> Criticism accepted.  If endless binaries retention is what someone cares 
>> about, obviously we aren't the best service for them.
>> 
>> As our web site says: "... we have worked hard to continue to be a source 
>> for uncensored Usenet access.  In addition to carrying any group 
>> requested, we also try to push the limits on freedom of expression so that 
>> our customers can type what they want, without worry."
>
>And post binaries, without worry?
>
>:-)

For the most part, but keep in mind:

  "(This does not mean we allow abuse of Usenet, such as flooding.) As a 
  carrier, we protect customer privacy to the maximum extent allowed by 
  law while we cooperate with law enforcement and copyright holders as 
  required by law."

Chris Caputo
President, Altopia Corporation

Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote:

> Uni <no.email@no.email.invalid> writes:
>>Chris Caputo wrote:
>>> Scott <Scott@floods.org> writes:
>>>>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote:
>>>>>(-) writes:
>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:11:50 +0000 (UTC), Chris Caputo
>>>>>><ccaputo@alt.net> wrote: 
>>>>>>>Two changes at Altopia today:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- We have enabled SSL NNTP access for all accounts.  Standard port
>>>>>>>  563.  No additional cost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- We now have a $12 per month unthrottled/unlimited offering.  
>>>>>>>  Existing customers can adjust their account via the "Account 
>>>>>>>  Maintenance"  section of:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     https://www.altopia.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Much appreciation for your new or continued patronage,
>>>>>>>Chris Caputo
>>>>>>>President, Altopia Corporation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When does the filing of bankruptcy come?
>>>>>
>>>>>Bankruptcy is for when you can't pay your bills.  Altopia has been 
>>>>>profitable, and paying its bills on time, since its first year -
>>>>>1995. 
>>>>
>>>>But it appears that after "paying its bills on time", the concept of 
>>>>retention was reduced to procrastination and thrown out the window.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Or just trying to get some more pigeons first?
>>>>>
>>>>>Not sure what that means.  But seriously, we have a lot of excess
>>>>>capacity and so I figured it would be good to work to increase
>>>>>profitability (duh!) so we can increase retention more quickly.
>>>>
>>>>Nine days of retention is evidence that Altopia is light years behind
>>>>the competition. It's a sad testament that reveals a lack of planning
>>>>and involved the least bit of effort running a business. All of these
>>>>factors should be attributed to a dismal profit margin and motivation
>>>>to participate in a fruitless venture.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Come on back y'all!  :-)
>>>>
>>>>Keep waving the banner of stupidity and crowds will flock from
>>>>uncharted destinations for the entertainment.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Criticism accepted.  If endless binaries retention is what someone
>>> cares about, obviously we aren't the best service for them.
>>> 
>>> As our web site says: "... we have worked hard to continue to be a
>>> source for uncensored Usenet access.  In addition to carrying any
>>> group requested, we also try to push the limits on freedom of
>>> expression so that our customers can type what they want, without
>>> worry." 
>>
>>And post binaries, without worry?
>>
>>:-)
> 
> For the most part, but keep in mind:
> 
>   "(This does not mean we allow abuse of Usenet, such as flooding.) As
>   a carrier, we protect customer privacy to the maximum extent allowed
>   by law while we cooperate with law enforcement and copyright holders
>   as required by law."
> 
> Chris Caputo
> President, Altopia Corporation
> 

I'm just wondering when you are going to run out of things to clip and 
paste from a template.

In message <CynDj.29090$yQ6.7149@fe109.usenetserver.com> Dennis
<Dennis@ads.con> wrote:

>I'm just wondering when you are going to run out of things to clip and 
>paste from a template.

Probably when someone asks a new or original question.

Garbage in, garbage out.

Chris Caputo wrote:
> Uni <no.email@no.email.invalid> writes:
> 
>>Chris Caputo wrote:
>>
>>>Scott <Scott@floods.org> writes:
>>>
>>>>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>(-) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:11:50 +0000 (UTC), Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote: 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Two changes at Altopia today:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- We have enabled SSL NNTP access for all accounts.  Standard port 
>>>>>>> 563.  No additional cost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- We now have a $12 per month unthrottled/unlimited offering.  
>>>>>>> Existing customers can adjust their account via the "Account 
>>>>>>> Maintenance"  section of:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    https://www.altopia.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Much appreciation for your new or continued patronage,
>>>>>>>Chris Caputo
>>>>>>>President, Altopia Corporation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When does the filing of bankruptcy come?
>>>>>
>>>>>Bankruptcy is for when you can't pay your bills.  Altopia has been 
>>>>>profitable, and paying its bills on time, since its first year - 1995.
>>>>
>>>>But it appears that after "paying its bills on time", the concept of 
>>>>retention was reduced to procrastination and thrown out the window.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Or just trying to get some more pigeons first?
>>>>>
>>>>>Not sure what that means.  But seriously, we have a lot of excess
>>>>>capacity and so I figured it would be good to work to increase
>>>>>profitability (duh!) so we can increase retention more quickly.
>>>>
>>>>Nine days of retention is evidence that Altopia is light years behind the 
>>>>competition. It's a sad testament that reveals a lack of planning and 
>>>>involved the least bit of effort running a business. All of these factors 
>>>>should be attributed to a dismal profit margin and motivation to 
>>>>participate in a fruitless venture.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Come on back y'all!  :-)
>>>>
>>>>Keep waving the banner of stupidity and crowds will flock from uncharted 
>>>>destinations for the entertainment.
>>>
>>>
>>>Criticism accepted.  If endless binaries retention is what someone cares 
>>>about, obviously we aren't the best service for them.
>>>
>>>As our web site says: "... we have worked hard to continue to be a source 
>>>for uncensored Usenet access.  In addition to carrying any group 
>>>requested, we also try to push the limits on freedom of expression so that 
>>>our customers can type what they want, without worry."
>>
>>And post binaries, without worry?
>>
>>:-)
> 
> 
> For the most part, but keep in mind:
> 
>   "(This does not mean we allow abuse of Usenet, such as flooding.) As a 
>   carrier, we protect customer privacy to the maximum extent allowed by 
>   law while we cooperate with law enforcement and copyright holders as 
>   required by law."

You sound like a different Chris Caputo than the one I know, or heard about.

Thanks.

Uni
> 
> 
> President, Altopia Corporation

Gary L. Burnore wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:48:49 GMT, Uni <no.email@no.email.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>You sound like a different Chris Caputo than the one I know, or heard about.
> 
> 
> This is why you're called Unitard, Unitard.  

Buzz off, Gary.

:-)

Bill, you need a shadow behind your poster. You'll get there, one day!

:-)

Uni

Chris Caputo wrote:
 
>Two changes at Altopia today:
>
> - We have enabled SSL NNTP access for all accounts.  Standard port 563.  
>   No additional cost.
>
> - We now have a $12 per month unthrottled/unlimited offering.  Existing 
>   customers can adjust their account via the "Account Maintenance"  
>   section of:
>
>      https://www.altopia.com/
>
>Much appreciation for your new or continued patronage,
>Chris Caputo
>President, Altopia Corporation

I am interested in an account but want to know the owner's viewpoint on this
subject: Does Altopia expect subscribers to honor the guidelines of a FAQ
and will accusations of abuse terminate the account?

Marty <Marty@gnail.com> writes:
>Chris Caputo wrote:
>>Two changes at Altopia today:
>>
>> - We have enabled SSL NNTP access for all accounts.  Standard port 563.  
>>   No additional cost.
>>
>> - We now have a $12 per month unthrottled/unlimited offering.  Existing 
>>   customers can adjust their account via the "Account Maintenance"  
>>   section of:
>>
>>      https://www.altopia.com/
>>
>>Much appreciation for your new or continued patronage,
>>Chris Caputo
>>President, Altopia Corporation
>
>I am interested in an account but want to know the owner's viewpoint on this
>subject: Does Altopia expect subscribers to honor the guidelines of a FAQ

We expect subscribers to honor the polices as laid out at:

  https://www.altopia.com/policy.html

We do not keep up with individual group FAQs nor do we enforce policies 
based on them.

>and will accusations of abuse terminate the account?

Accusations of abuse result in investigations of alleged abuse.  If a 
customer is believed to be violating our policies, we normally give a 
warning, followed by escalation if warnings are ignored.  Sometimes a 
violation is so egregious, like flooding or massive advertising, that we 
may shut down posting ability without a warning.  Depends on the 
circumstances.

Accusations of abuse which are not in violation of our policies are 
generally ignored.  Sometimes I reply to a complainer, but normally if 
they have not taken the time to understand our policies, I do not bother.

Happy to answer any other questions,
Chris Caputo
President (and Owner), Altopia Corporation

Gary L. Burnore wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:39:43 GMT, Uni <no.email@no.email.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:48:49 GMT, Uni <no.email@no.email.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You sound like a different Chris Caputo than the one I know, or heard about.
>>>
>>>
>>>This is why you're called Unitard, Unitard.  
>>
>>Buzz off, Gary.
> 
> 
> Make me, bitch.

I like your newsgroup - databasux.

Hahahaha

:-)

Uni

Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
news:1nkaod.fks.17.1@news.alt.net: 

[snip]

> Accusations of abuse which are not in violation of our policies are 
> generally ignored.  Sometimes I reply to a complainer, but normally if
> they have not taken the time to understand our policies, I do not
> bother. 
> 
> Happy to answer any other questions,

Do you have any kind of "Don't frequently nymshift to evade kill-files" 
policy? eg If a troll was nym-shifting several times a day to disrupt a 
news group would you ask them to stop?

bealoid wrote:
> Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
> news:1nkaod.fks.17.1@news.alt.net: 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> 
>>Accusations of abuse which are not in violation of our policies are 
>>generally ignored.  Sometimes I reply to a complainer, but normally if
>>they have not taken the time to understand our policies, I do not
>>bother. 
>>
>>Happy to answer any other questions,
> 
> 
> Do you have any kind of "Don't frequently nymshift to evade kill-files" 
> policy? eg If a troll was nym-shifting several times a day to disrupt a 
> news group would you ask them to stop?

They say they protect your identity, so no one will know it, but in 
usenet, you're only allowed one identity!!!

:-)

Uni

bealoid <signup@bealoid.co.uk> writes:
>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in news:1nkaod.fks.17.1@news.alt.net: 
>[snip]
>
>> Accusations of abuse which are not in violation of our policies are 
>> generally ignored.  Sometimes I reply to a complainer, but normally if
>> they have not taken the time to understand our policies, I do not
>> bother. 
>> 
>> Happy to answer any other questions,
>
>Do you have any kind of "Don't frequently nymshift to evade kill-files" 
>policy?

No.

>eg If a troll was nym-shifting several times a day to disrupt a 
>news group would you ask them to stop?

No.

As long as a poster isn't infringing on someone else's real email address 
or domain, they can be creative and set their From: address as they like, 
and vary it as they want.

Chris Caputo
President, Altopia Corporation

Gary L. Burnore wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:48:49 GMT, Uni <no.email@no.email.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>You sound like a different Chris Caputo than the one I know, or heard about.
> 
> This is why you're called Unitard, Unitard.  

ROLF!
-- 
ah

Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
news:1np63u.7ve.19.1@news.alt.net: 

> bealoid <signup@bealoid.co.uk> writes:
>>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>>news:1nkaod.fks.17.1@news.alt.net: [snip]
>>
>>> Accusations of abuse which are not in violation of our
>>> policies are generally ignored.  Sometimes I reply to a
>>> complainer, but normally if they have not taken the time to
>>> understand our policies, I do not bother. 
>>> 
>>> Happy to answer any other questions,
>>
>>Do you have any kind of "Don't frequently nymshift to evade
>>kill-files" policy?
> 
> No.
> 
>>eg If a troll was nym-shifting several times a day to disrupt
>>a news group would you ask them to stop?
> 
> No.
> 
> As long as a poster isn't infringing on someone else's real
> email address or domain, they can be creative and set their
> From: address as they like, and vary it as they want.
> 
> Chris Caputo
> President, Altopia Corporation

I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your 
customers thanks to that policy. Usenet is hardly worth bothering 
with now and you are largely to blame for that. You must be very 
proud.

George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
> news:1np63u.7ve.19.1@news.alt.net: 
> 
> > bealoid <signup@bealoid.co.uk> writes:
> >>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
> >>news:1nkaod.fks.17.1@news.alt.net: [snip]
> >>
> >>> Accusations of abuse which are not in violation of our
> >>> policies are generally ignored.  Sometimes I reply to a
> >>> complainer, but normally if they have not taken the time to
> >>> understand our policies, I do not bother. 
> >>> 
> >>> Happy to answer any other questions,
> >>
> >>Do you have any kind of "Don't frequently nymshift to evade
> >>kill-files" policy?
> > 
> > No.
> > 
> >>eg If a troll was nym-shifting several times a day to disrupt
> >>a news group would you ask them to stop?
> > 
> > No.
> > 
> > As long as a poster isn't infringing on someone else's real
> > email address or domain, they can be creative and set their
> > From: address as they like, and vary it as they want.
> > 
> > Chris Caputo
> > President, Altopia Corporation
> 
> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your 
> customers thanks to that policy. Usenet is hardly worth bothering 
> with now and you are largely to blame for that. You must be very 
> proud.

I don't know why this got cross-posted to unnc, since it seems to
originate elsewhere. However I find it mildly amusing that someone
posting as George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> should be complaining
about what other users stick in their From: address. It also seems from
here that George G has cross-posted a message in order to stir up
trouble or to harvest howls of outrage at a statement made by Chris
Caputo. Again, hardly impeccable behaviour.

FWIW, I've supported Altopia for some time. I disagree profoundly with
the trolls and newsgroup wreckers who want to drive other users off
usenet or to reduce groups to a smoking wasteland of cascades or
kilobytes of re-posed ASCII art. However I can't blame Chris Caputo for
that. It's the immature individuals concerned that are the root of the
problem and often their "opponents" such as George G are in exactly the
same boat.

I've found that for genuine net abuse concerns Chris has been
unfailingly polite and helpful. Much more so than say NTL or BT.

Black Dragon <bd@nomail.invalid> wrote in
news:fs0h23$2gsq$1@bdhi.local: 

> George G wrote:
> 
>> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your 
>> customers thanks to that policy.
> 
> People who set cross posts to irrelevant newsgroups are far
> more responsible for noise on Usenet than a few nym shifters
> are. One of those people are in fact you. Congratulations.

uk.net.news.config is not an irrelevant newsgroup as many NGs in 
the uk hierarchy have fallen victim to Altopia trolls. 

%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
news:1ie5pnf.40a1jt1ny3nb3N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk: 

> George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>> news:1np63u.7ve.19.1@news.alt.net: 
>> 
>> > bealoid <signup@bealoid.co.uk> writes:
>> >>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>> >>news:1nkaod.fks.17.1@news.alt.net: [snip]
>> >>
>> >>> Accusations of abuse which are not in violation of our
>> >>> policies are generally ignored.  Sometimes I reply to a
>> >>> complainer, but normally if they have not taken the time
>> >>> to understand our policies, I do not bother. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Happy to answer any other questions,
>> >>
>> >>Do you have any kind of "Don't frequently nymshift to evade
>> >>kill-files" policy?
>> > 
>> > No.
>> > 
>> >>eg If a troll was nym-shifting several times a day to
>> >>disrupt a news group would you ask them to stop?
>> > 
>> > No.
>> > 
>> > As long as a poster isn't infringing on someone else's real
>> > email address or domain, they can be creative and set their
>> > From: address as they like, and vary it as they want.
>> > 
>> > Chris Caputo
>> > President, Altopia Corporation
>> 
>> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your 
>> customers thanks to that policy. Usenet is hardly worth
>> bothering with now and you are largely to blame for that. You
>> must be very proud.
> 
> I don't know why this got cross-posted to unnc, since it seems
> to originate elsewhere. However I find it mildly amusing that
> someone posting as George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> should
> be complaining about what other users stick in their From:
> address. It also seems from here that George G has
> cross-posted a message in order to stir up trouble or to
> harvest howls of outrage at a statement made by Chris Caputo.
> Again, hardly impeccable behaviour. 
> 
> FWIW, I've supported Altopia for some time. I disagree
> profoundly with the trolls and newsgroup wreckers who want to
> drive other users off usenet or to reduce groups to a smoking
> wasteland of cascades or kilobytes of re-posed ASCII art.
> However I can't blame Chris Caputo for that. It's the immature
> individuals concerned that are the root of the problem and
> often their "opponents" such as George G are in exactly the 
> same boat.
> 
> I've found that for genuine net abuse concerns Chris has been
> unfailingly polite and helpful. Much more so than say NTL or
> BT. 

The point is that Chris Caputo allows his trolling customers to 
nym-shift with impunity. That destroys newsgroups. If you don't 
like what I write, killfile me. I won't nym-shift to defeat the 
filter.

George G <invali@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Black Dragon <bd@nomail.invalid> wrote in
> news:fs0h23$2gsq$1@bdhi.local: 
> 
> > George G wrote:
> > 
> >> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your 
> >> customers thanks to that policy.
> > 
> > People who set cross posts to irrelevant newsgroups are far
> > more responsible for noise on Usenet than a few nym shifters
> > are. One of those people are in fact you. Congratulations.
> 
> uk.net.news.config is not an irrelevant newsgroup as many NGs in 
> the uk hierarchy have fallen victim to Altopia trolls. 

It was completely irrelevant to your rant against an individual (Chris
Caputo) and your post is most definitely off-topic here since it has
nothing to do with the configuration of the uk hierarchy.

(Follow-ups set to altnet.general)

George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> The point is that Chris Caputo allows his trolling customers to 
> nym-shift with impunity.

So do most ISPs.

> That destroys newsgroups.

Bullshit.

> If you don't like what I write, killfile me. I won't nym-shift to defeat
> the filter.

Oh dear, perhaps you should chill and take a pill or something. I note
however that you choose to ignore the observation about you attempting
to star a cross-posted flame war.

(Follow-ups set to altnet.general)

%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
news:1ie5uv1.krcdhztc02xzN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk: 

> George G <invali@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Black Dragon <bd@nomail.invalid> wrote in
>> news:fs0h23$2gsq$1@bdhi.local: 
>> 
>> > George G wrote:
>> > 
>> >> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your 
>> >> customers thanks to that policy.
>> > 
>> > People who set cross posts to irrelevant newsgroups are far
>> > more responsible for noise on Usenet than a few nym
>> > shifters are. One of those people are in fact you.
>> > Congratulations. 
>> 
>> uk.net.news.config is not an irrelevant newsgroup as many NGs
>> in the uk hierarchy have fallen victim to Altopia trolls. 
> 
> It was completely irrelevant to your rant against an
> individual (Chris Caputo) and your post is most definitely
> off-topic here since it has nothing to do with the
> configuration of the uk hierarchy. 

It wasn't a rant, it was a statement of fact. Strictly speaking it 
is probably off-topic; however, off-topic posts account for a large 
proportion of unnc.
 
> (Follow-ups set to altnet.general)

Follow-ups reset. Anyone replying to this post can remove unnc if 
they chose to.

%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
news:1ie5usf.rjyt0x1nb3i00N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk: 

> George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> The point is that Chris Caputo allows his trolling customers
>> to nym-shift with impunity.
> 
> So do most ISPs.

That's news to me.

>> That destroys newsgroups.
> 
> Bullshit.

When subscribers leave a NG due to the wrecking antics of nym-
shifting trolls, that NG is effectively destroyed.

>> If you don't like what I write, killfile me. I won't
>> nym-shift to defeat the filter.
> 
> Oh dear, perhaps you should chill and take a pill or
> something.

Why?

> I note however that you choose to ignore the 
> observation about you attempting to star a cross-posted flame 
> war. 

I'm not trying to start a flame war. Happy now?
 
> (Follow-ups set to altnet.general)

Follow-ups reset. I'm not an Altnet customer.

George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Follow-ups reset. I'm not an Altnet customer.

You'd not pass the intelligence test.

For someone not wanting to start a flame war, you behave exactly like
someone who does want to start a flame war. In short I think you're a
lying twat.

FUs set (again)

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:49:19 GMT, George G <invali@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Black Dragon <bd@nomail.invalid> wrote in
>news:fs0h23$2gsq$1@bdhi.local: 
>
>> George G wrote:
>> 
>>> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your 
>>> customers thanks to that policy.
>> 
>> People who set cross posts to irrelevant newsgroups are far
>> more responsible for noise on Usenet than a few nym shifters
>> are. One of those people are in fact you. Congratulations.
>
>uk.net.news.config is not an irrelevant newsgroup as many NGs in 
>the uk hierarchy have fallen victim to Altopia trolls. 

Fuck off and die, cunt!

A Troll <me@net.invalid> wrote:

> >uk.net.news.config is not an irrelevant newsgroup as many NGs in 
> >the uk hierarchy have fallen victim to Altopia trolls. 
> 
> Fuck off and die, cunt!

Simple, eloquent and completely accurate.

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:31:03 -0000, George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
> news:1ie5uv1.krcdhztc02xzN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:
>
>> George G <invali@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Black Dragon <bd@nomail.invalid> wrote in
>>> news:fs0h23$2gsq$1@bdhi.local:
>>>
>>> > George G wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your
>>> >> customers thanks to that policy.
>>> >
>>> > People who set cross posts to irrelevant newsgroups are far
>>> > more responsible for noise on Usenet than a few nym
>>> > shifters are. One of those people are in fact you.
>>> > Congratulations.
>>>
>>> uk.net.news.config is not an irrelevant newsgroup as many NGs
>>> in the uk hierarchy have fallen victim to Altopia trolls.
>>
>> It was completely irrelevant to your rant against an
>> individual (Chris Caputo) and your post is most definitely
>> off-topic here since it has nothing to do with the
>> configuration of the uk hierarchy.
>
> It wasn't a rant, it was a statement of fact. Strictly speaking it
> is probably off-topic; however, off-topic posts account for a large
> proportion of unnc.
>
>> (Follow-ups set to altnet.general)
>
> Follow-ups reset. Anyone replying to this post can remove unnc if
> they chose to.

I propose the news server strips the "follow-up" header.  If you want to change the groups it goes to, then do so in the newsgroups header, people should not be able to post to one set, and have replies go elsewhere.  It's childish.

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On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:49:21 -0000, George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
> news:1ie5pnf.40a1jt1ny3nb3N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:
>
>> George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>>> news:1np63u.7ve.19.1@news.alt.net:
>>>
>>> > bealoid <signup@bealoid.co.uk> writes:
>>> >>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>>> >>news:1nkaod.fks.17.1@news.alt.net: [snip]
>>> >>
>>> >>> Accusations of abuse which are not in violation of our
>>> >>> policies are generally ignored.  Sometimes I reply to a
>>> >>> complainer, but normally if they have not taken the time
>>> >>> to understand our policies, I do not bother.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Happy to answer any other questions,
>>> >>
>>> >>Do you have any kind of "Don't frequently nymshift to evade
>>> >>kill-files" policy?
>>> >
>>> > No.
>>> >
>>> >>eg If a troll was nym-shifting several times a day to
>>> >>disrupt a news group would you ask them to stop?
>>> >
>>> > No.
>>> >
>>> > As long as a poster isn't infringing on someone else's real
>>> > email address or domain, they can be creative and set their
>>> > From: address as they like, and vary it as they want.
>>> >
>>> > Chris Caputo
>>> > President, Altopia Corporation
>>>
>>> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your
>>> customers thanks to that policy. Usenet is hardly worth
>>> bothering with now and you are largely to blame for that. You
>>> must be very proud.
>>
>> I don't know why this got cross-posted to unnc, since it seems
>> to originate elsewhere. However I find it mildly amusing that
>> someone posting as George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> should
>> be complaining about what other users stick in their From:
>> address. It also seems from here that George G has
>> cross-posted a message in order to stir up trouble or to
>> harvest howls of outrage at a statement made by Chris Caputo.
>> Again, hardly impeccable behaviour.
>>
>> FWIW, I've supported Altopia for some time. I disagree
>> profoundly with the trolls and newsgroup wreckers who want to
>> drive other users off usenet or to reduce groups to a smoking
>> wasteland of cascades or kilobytes of re-posed ASCII art.
>> However I can't blame Chris Caputo for that. It's the immature
>> individuals concerned that are the root of the problem and
>> often their "opponents" such as George G are in exactly the
>> same boat.
>>
>> I've found that for genuine net abuse concerns Chris has been
>> unfailingly polite and helpful. Much more so than say NTL or
>> BT.
>
> The point is that Chris Caputo allows his trolling customers to
> nym-shift with impunity. That destroys newsgroups. If you don't
> like what I write, killfile me. I won't nym-shift to defeat the
> filter.

If he started killing accounts for that, where would he draw the line?  What about people using the word "fuck"?

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%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
news:1ie62xd.w3wmfj1f4nmgbN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk: 

> George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Follow-ups reset. I'm not an Altnet customer.
> 
> You'd not pass the intelligence test.
> 
> For someone not wanting to start a flame war, you behave
> exactly like someone who does want to start a flame war. In
> short I think you're a lying twat.

Thinking is not your forte.

> FUs set (again)

You set the FU to uk.net.news.config and altnet.general, dimwit.
Now what were you saying about Altnet's intelligence test?

"Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote in
news:op.t8dwr4kd4buhsv@fx62: 

> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:31:03 -0000, George G
> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: 
> 
>> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
>> news:1ie5uv1.krcdhztc02xzN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:
>>
>>> George G <invali@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Black Dragon <bd@nomail.invalid> wrote in
>>>> news:fs0h23$2gsq$1@bdhi.local:
>>>>
>>>> > George G wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your
>>>> >> customers thanks to that policy.
>>>> >
>>>> > People who set cross posts to irrelevant newsgroups are
>>>> > far more responsible for noise on Usenet than a few nym
>>>> > shifters are. One of those people are in fact you.
>>>> > Congratulations.
>>>>
>>>> uk.net.news.config is not an irrelevant newsgroup as many
>>>> NGs in the uk hierarchy have fallen victim to Altopia
>>>> trolls. 
>>>
>>> It was completely irrelevant to your rant against an
>>> individual (Chris Caputo) and your post is most definitely
>>> off-topic here since it has nothing to do with the
>>> configuration of the uk hierarchy.
>>
>> It wasn't a rant, it was a statement of fact. Strictly
>> speaking it is probably off-topic; however, off-topic posts
>> account for a large proportion of unnc.
>>
>>> (Follow-ups set to altnet.general)
>>
>> Follow-ups reset. Anyone replying to this post can remove
>> unnc if they chose to.
> 
> I propose the news server strips the "follow-up" header.  If
> you want to change the groups it goes to, then do so in the
> newsgroups header, people should not be able to post to one
> set, and have replies go elsewhere.  It's childish. 

Take it up with Steve Firth. 

"Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote in
news:op.t8dwt9wv4buhsv@fx62: 

> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:49:21 -0000, George G
> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: 
> 
>> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
>> news:1ie5pnf.40a1jt1ny3nb3N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:
>>
>>> George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>>>> news:1np63u.7ve.19.1@news.alt.net:
>>>>
>>>> > bealoid <signup@bealoid.co.uk> writes:
>>>> >>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>>>> >>news:1nkaod.fks.17.1@news.alt.net: [snip]
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Accusations of abuse which are not in violation of our
>>>> >>> policies are generally ignored.  Sometimes I reply to a
>>>> >>> complainer, but normally if they have not taken the
>>>> >>> time to understand our policies, I do not bother.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Happy to answer any other questions,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Do you have any kind of "Don't frequently nymshift to
>>>> >>evade kill-files" policy?
>>>> >
>>>> > No.
>>>> >
>>>> >>eg If a troll was nym-shifting several times a day to
>>>> >>disrupt a news group would you ask them to stop?
>>>> >
>>>> > No.
>>>> >
>>>> > As long as a poster isn't infringing on someone else's
>>>> > real email address or domain, they can be creative and
>>>> > set their From: address as they like, and vary it as they
>>>> > want. 
>>>> >
>>>> > Chris Caputo
>>>> > President, Altopia Corporation
>>>>
>>>> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your
>>>> customers thanks to that policy. Usenet is hardly worth
>>>> bothering with now and you are largely to blame for that.
>>>> You must be very proud.
>>>
>>> I don't know why this got cross-posted to unnc, since it
>>> seems to originate elsewhere. However I find it mildly
>>> amusing that someone posting as George G
>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> should be complaining about what
>>> other users stick in their From: address. It also seems from
>>> here that George G has cross-posted a message in order to
>>> stir up trouble or to harvest howls of outrage at a
>>> statement made by Chris Caputo. Again, hardly impeccable
>>> behaviour. 
>>>
>>> FWIW, I've supported Altopia for some time. I disagree
>>> profoundly with the trolls and newsgroup wreckers who want
>>> to drive other users off usenet or to reduce groups to a
>>> smoking wasteland of cascades or kilobytes of re-posed ASCII
>>> art. However I can't blame Chris Caputo for that. It's the
>>> immature individuals concerned that are the root of the
>>> problem and often their "opponents" such as George G are in
>>> exactly the same boat.
>>>
>>> I've found that for genuine net abuse concerns Chris has
>>> been unfailingly polite and helpful. Much more so than say
>>> NTL or BT.
>>
>> The point is that Chris Caputo allows his trolling customers
>> to nym-shift with impunity. That destroys newsgroups. If you
>> don't like what I write, killfile me. I won't nym-shift to
>> defeat the filter.
> 
> If he started killing accounts for that, where would he draw
> the line?  What about people using the word "fuck"? 

Did you pass the Altnet intelligence test too?

George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> You set the FU to uk.net.news.config and altnet.general

And

TheApostle <likes-to-fuck@mailme.org> wrote in
news:MPG.224e075d702dd639897dd@news.sharkpost.org: 

> This post, George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> 
> Message-ID:<<twWEj.155553$r03.153884@fe10.news.easynews.com>> 
> may be monitored for quality assurance:
>|
>| "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote in
>| news:op.t8dwt9wv4buhsv@fx62: 
>| 
>| > On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:49:21 -0000, George G
>| > <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: 
>| > 
>| >> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
>| >> news:1ie5pnf.40a1jt1ny3nb3N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:
>| >>
>| >>> George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>| >>>
>| >>>> Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>| >>>> news:1np63u.7ve.19.1@news.alt.net:
>| >>>>
>| >>>> > bealoid <signup@bealoid.co.uk> writes:
>| >>>> >>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>| >>>> >>news:1nkaod.fks.17.1@news.alt.net: [snip]
>| >>>> >>
>| >>>> >>> Accusations of abuse which are not in violation of
>| >>>> >>> our policies are generally ignored.  Sometimes I
>| >>>> >>> reply to a complainer, but normally if they have not
>| >>>> >>> taken the time to understand our policies, I do not
>| >>>> >>> bother. 
>| >>>> >>>
>| >>>> >>> Happy to answer any other questions,
>| >>>> >>
>| >>>> >>Do you have any kind of "Don't frequently nymshift to
>| >>>> >>evade kill-files" policy?
>| >>>> >
>| >>>> > No.
>| >>>> >
>| >>>> >>eg If a troll was nym-shifting several times a day to
>| >>>> >>disrupt a news group would you ask them to stop?
>| >>>> >
>| >>>> > No.
>| >>>> >
>| >>>> > As long as a poster isn't infringing on someone else's
>| >>>> > real email address or domain, they can be creative and
>| >>>> > set their From: address as they like, and vary it as
>| >>>> > they want. 
>| >>>> >
>| >>>> > Chris Caputo
>| >>>> > President, Altopia Corporation
>| >>>>
>| >>>> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your
>| >>>> customers thanks to that policy. Usenet is hardly worth
>| >>>> bothering with now and you are largely to blame for
>| >>>> that. You must be very proud.
>| >>>
>| >>> I don't know why this got cross-posted to unnc, since it
>| >>> seems to originate elsewhere. However I find it mildly
>| >>> amusing that someone posting as George G
>| >>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> should be complaining about
>| >>> what other users stick in their From: address. It also
>| >>> seems from here that George G has cross-posted a message
>| >>> in order to stir up trouble or to harvest howls of
>| >>> outrage at a statement made by Chris Caputo. Again,
>| >>> hardly impeccable behaviour. 
>| >>>
>| >>> FWIW, I've supported Altopia for some time. I disagree
>| >>> profoundly with the trolls and newsgroup wreckers who
>| >>> want to drive other users off usenet or to reduce groups
>| >>> to a smoking wasteland of cascades or kilobytes of
>| >>> re-posed ASCII art. However I can't blame Chris Caputo
>| >>> for that. It's the immature individuals concerned that
>| >>> are the root of the problem and often their "opponents"
>| >>> such as George G are in exactly the same boat.
>| >>>
>| >>> I've found that for genuine net abuse concerns Chris has
>| >>> been unfailingly polite and helpful. Much more so than
>| >>> say NTL or BT.
>| >>
>| >> The point is that Chris Caputo allows his trolling
>| >> customers to nym-shift with impunity. That destroys
>| >> newsgroups. If you don't like what I write, killfile me. I
>| >> won't nym-shift to defeat the filter.
>| > 
>| > If he started killing accounts for that, where would he
>| > draw the line?  What about people using the word "fuck"? 
>| 
>| Did you pass the Altnet intelligence test too?
> 
> Clearly by the responses you've given in this subject, you are
> the only troll people have to worry about. With that said, you
> are the person responsible for your own actions - Easynews is
> not. 

Altopia sells itself as the NSP that allows its customers to nym-
shift, Easynews does not. That is why nym-shifting trolls use 
Altopia and not Easynews or the other quality NSPs that offer 
better retention, completion and more gigs for less money.

> A NSP is not responsible for the actions of it's customers,
> anymore than a car marker is responsible for your bad driving.

That's a poor analogy. Would your telephone provider knowingly 
allow you to make anonymous threatening calls? That is a better 
one.

>  To apply your logic would be ridiculous.  You're no doubt the
> same kind of idiot moron who sues the gun company because the
> gun killed someone, or the cigarette company for getting
> cancer after smoking their product for 20 years... 

My logic? I'm critisising Altopia's policy of allowing nym-shifting 
to troll. That is all.

> A NSP provides you with a privledge of Usenet service, and
> people have to abide by the TOS/AUP of that service.  If
> Alt.net's AUP isn't in agreement with your definition of what
> "works" for Usenet than perhaps you should find another hobby
> to occupy your pitiful existence, since being a Usenet netcop
> isn't working out as well as you would have hoped. 

Netcop! Ha! You're ASSuming stuff again.

> Instead of trying to shift the blame for the
> trolling/nymshifting trolls to the NSP/ISP's why don't you
> quit your whining, stop feeding the nymshifting trolls, grow a
> thicker set of skin, and learn how to filter properly.  

Please show me how to killfile a nym-shifting troll other than by 
the path.

> Now piss off ....ya slacked jawed Moron!

After you, knucklehead.

%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in 
news:1ie6fdi.ol4pdzv1snggN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:

> George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> You set the FU to uk.net.news.config and altnet.general
> 
> And

You'd previously FU'd away from unnc claiming it was off-topic. 
Some consistency on your part would be nice.

George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in 
> news:1ie6fdi.ol4pdzv1snggN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:
> 
> > George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >> You set the FU to uk.net.news.config and altnet.general
> > 
> > And
> 
> You'd previously FU'd away from unnc claiming it was off-topic. 
> Some consistency on your part would be nice.

Jump doggy, jump.

%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in 
news:1ie6h7f.y1r31yalk1a4N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:

> George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in 
>> news:1ie6fdi.ol4pdzv1snggN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:
>> 
>> > George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> You set the FU to uk.net.news.config and altnet.general
>> > 
>> > And
>> 
>> You'd previously FU'd away from unnc claiming it was off-topic. 
>> Some consistency on your part would be nice.
> 
> Jump doggy, jump.

Predictably poor poast.

This post, George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> 
Message-ID:<<S_XEj.79982$6i4.8800@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>> 
may be monitored for quality assurance:
|
| > Clearly by the responses you've given in this subject, you are
| > the only troll people have to worry about. With that said, you
| > are the person responsible for your own actions - Easynews is
| > not. 
| 
| Altopia sells itself as the NSP that allows its customers to nym-
| shift,

I've never seen that selling point.  Can you please provide a link
to that on Alt.net's website which sells itself on the NSP that allows
it's customers to nym-shift.

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]

| Easynews does not. 

Really... Let's put that to the test.

Please show _where_ in Easynews' AUP that it states nym-shifting is
a TOS offence... and I'll even provide you with their TOS/AUP link.
https://www.easynews.com/agreement.phtml

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| That is why nym-shifting trolls use Altopia and not Easynews or the
| other quality NSPs that offer better retention, completion and more
| gigs for less money.

Are you truly this stupid or do you practise at it?  Perhaps you
live a sheltered life inside that hobble of a group you call home
... but Nym-shifting trolls have no preference to which NSP they 
use, let alone Alt.net.  
 
| > A NSP is not responsible for the actions of it's customers,
| > anymore than a car marker is responsible for your bad driving.
| 
| That's a poor analogy. Would your telephone provider knowingly 
| allow you to make anonymous threatening calls? That is a better 
| one.

There you go again, making a fool of yourself.  A telephone company
has a set of rules you have to follow in order to have their service
the same as an NSP/ISP. 

If it is not against the rules (re:law), a person is going to do whatever
they like and that doesn't change the facts that the telephone company is
and cannot be help RESPONSIBLE for the actions of it's customers.  

Sheesh.... how many times does a sledge hammer have to hit you upside 
of the head before this point gets driven into your thick head?

If a person makes an anonymous threatening call and is caught, who do
you think get's the charges laid against them.  The telephone company
or the person who made the call?  If you say the former - you provide
enough reason for nym-shifting trolls to ridicule you, cause you're
an idiot.
 
| >  To apply your logic would be ridiculous.  You're no doubt the
| > same kind of idiot moron who sues the gun company because the
| > gun killed someone, or the cigarette company for getting
| > cancer after smoking their product for 20 years... 
| 
| My logic?

Yes - we've covered that and you've made a fool of yourself.

| I'm critisising Altopia's policy of allowing nym-shifting 
| to troll. That is all.

What you're doing is blaming the NSP for other peoples actions
all because you can't report them to their provider and get rid
of them.  You're truly pitiful.  How does it feel knowing that
you're powerless, eh NetKKKop?
 
| > A NSP provides you with a privledge of Usenet service, and
| > people have to abide by the TOS/AUP of that service.  If
| > Alt.net's AUP isn't in agreement with your definition of what
| > "works" for Usenet than perhaps you should find another hobby
| > to occupy your pitiful existence, since being a Usenet netcop
| > isn't working out as well as you would have hoped. 
| 
| Netcop! Ha! You're ASSuming stuff again.

You said it yourself... 

    "I'm critisising Altopia's policy of allowing nym-shifting to troll"

Idiot.
 
| > Instead of trying to shift the blame for the
| > trolling/nymshifting trolls to the NSP/ISP's why don't you
| > quit your whining, stop feeding the nymshifting trolls, grow a
| > thicker set of skin, and learn how to filter properly.  
| 
| Please show me how to killfile a nym-shifting troll other than by 
| the path.

* drop Organization: Altopia Corp. - Usenet Access - www.altopia.com
* drop X-trace:<insert>
* drop Xref: <insert>
* drop Subject: <insert>

Now you've been schooled, chump!
 
| > Now piss off ....ya slacked jawed Moron!
| 
| After you, knucklehead.

Wooowsers... a PKB lame.. no wonder you get picked on.  <laughs out loud>
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TheApostle <likes-to-fuck@mailme.org> wrote in
news:MPG.224e42cda230177a9897e0@news.sharkpost.org: 

[...]
>  
>| > Now piss off ....ya slacked jawed Moron!
>| 
>| After you, knucklehead.
> 
> Wooowsers... a PKB lame.. no wonder you get picked on. 
> <laughs out loud>

You win, you have the biggest dick. Right there on your forehead.

"The Happy Hippy" <the.happy.hippy.nntp@ntlworld.com> wrote in
news:6v7Fj.10590$Ff4.4572@newsfe5-win.ntli.net: 

> 
> "George G" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote ...
> 
>> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
>> news:1ie7dsq.8jao1gmzjyd8N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:
>>
>> > George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Many uk groups have been trashed by nym-shifting Altopia
>> >> trolls, unnc included. I crossposted there because I
>> >> thought someone may like to add something sensible to the
>> >> discussion. Sadly the noise level is too high there.
>> >
>> > <snork>
>>
>> Did your brain cell misfire?
>>
>> > That's a lie, this group is amost silent.
>>
>> It's full of spam and off-topic posts, which are mostly about
>> you. There is very little on-topic there as it has been
>> trashed. 
> 
> No. There's often very little on-topic in u.n.n.c because what
> is on-topic is quite narrowly defined. The lack of on-topic
> has nothing to do with the group having been trashed, which it
> hasn't. 

When I last visited unnc a few years back the content of the group 
was for the most part on-topic. You say it hasn't been trashed. 
We'll have to agree to disagree on that.
 
> You can complain about the noise level in u.n.n.c but you're a
> major cause of that along with others who want to cause
> disruption by cross-posting their off-topic crap there.
> 
> It's quite ironic that you should be complaining about
> Alopia's failure to reign in what you call abuse while
> indulging in your off-topic cross-posting. Shouldn't you be
> complaining to your own NSP about your own abuse ?

My complaint was about nym-shifting to avoid the killfile. I can be 
killfiled and stay killfiled. That said, I've had my say and will 
not add to the noise of unnc anymore unless I see a reply to a post 
of mine that needs addressing.

> I note you also made the unsupported claim that, "Altopia
> sells itself as the NSP that allows its customers to
> nym-shift". Called on to prove that claim I note you have
> failed to do so. 

You've not been following this thread very carefully then.
Chris Caputo was advertising his new improved service on abn-s-c. A 
potential new customer asked him "Do you have any kind of "Don't 
frequently nymshift to evade kill-files" policy?".
CC replied "No".
The potential new customer also asked him "If a troll was nym-
shifting several times a day to disrupt a news group would you ask 
them to stop?".
Again CC replied "No".
MID: <1np63u.7ve.19.1@news.alt.net>
HTH.

"George G" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote ...

[snip]

> > I note you also made the unsupported claim that, "Altopia
> > sells itself as the NSP that allows its customers to
> > nym-shift". Called on to prove that claim I note you have
> > failed to do so.
>
> You've not been following this thread very carefully then.

I wasn't following the thread at all until it got cross-posted to u.n.n.c
where it is off-topic.


> Chris Caputo was advertising his new improved service on abn-s-c. A
> potential new customer asked him "Do you have any kind of "Don't
> frequently nymshift to evade kill-files" policy?".
> CC replied "No".
> The potential new customer also asked him "If a troll was nym-
> shifting several times a day to disrupt a news group would you ask
> them to stop?".
> Again CC replied "No".
> MID: <1np63u.7ve.19.1@news.alt.net>
> HTH.

That's not evidence that "Altopia sells itself as the NSP that allows its
customers to nym-shift".

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:19:24 -0000, George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote in
> news:op.t8dwr4kd4buhsv@fx62:
>
>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:31:03 -0000, George G
>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
>>> news:1ie5uv1.krcdhztc02xzN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:
>>>
>>>> George G <invali@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Black Dragon <bd@nomail.invalid> wrote in
>>>>> news:fs0h23$2gsq$1@bdhi.local:
>>>>>
>>>>> > George G wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your
>>>>> >> customers thanks to that policy.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > People who set cross posts to irrelevant newsgroups are
>>>>> > far more responsible for noise on Usenet than a few nym
>>>>> > shifters are. One of those people are in fact you.
>>>>> > Congratulations.
>>>>>
>>>>> uk.net.news.config is not an irrelevant newsgroup as many
>>>>> NGs in the uk hierarchy have fallen victim to Altopia
>>>>> trolls.
>>>>
>>>> It was completely irrelevant to your rant against an
>>>> individual (Chris Caputo) and your post is most definitely
>>>> off-topic here since it has nothing to do with the
>>>> configuration of the uk hierarchy.
>>>
>>> It wasn't a rant, it was a statement of fact. Strictly
>>> speaking it is probably off-topic; however, off-topic posts
>>> account for a large proportion of unnc.
>>>
>>>> (Follow-ups set to altnet.general)
>>>
>>> Follow-ups reset. Anyone replying to this post can remove
>>> unnc if they chose to.
>>
>> I propose the news server strips the "follow-up" header.  If
>> you want to change the groups it goes to, then do so in the
>> newsgroups header, people should not be able to post to one
>> set, and have replies go elsewhere.  It's childish.
>
> Take it up with Steve Firth.

For some reason I can't see Steve's posts....

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:00:50 -0000, George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> TheApostle <likes-to-fuck@mailme.org> wrote in
> news:MPG.224e075d702dd639897dd@news.sharkpost.org:
>
>> This post, George G <invalid@invalid.invalid>
>> Message-ID:<<twWEj.155553$r03.153884@fe10.news.easynews.com>>
>> may be monitored for quality assurance:
>> |
>> | "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote in
>> | news:op.t8dwt9wv4buhsv@fx62:
>> |
>> | > On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:49:21 -0000, George G
>> | > <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> | >
>> | >> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
>> | >> news:1ie5pnf.40a1jt1ny3nb3N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:
>> | >>
>> | >>> I don't know why this got cross-posted to unnc, since it
>> | >>> seems to originate elsewhere. However I find it mildly
>> | >>> amusing that someone posting as George G
>> | >>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> should be complaining about
>> | >>> what other users stick in their From: address. It also
>> | >>> seems from here that George G has cross-posted a message
>> | >>> in order to stir up trouble or to harvest howls of
>> | >>> outrage at a statement made by Chris Caputo. Again,
>> | >>> hardly impeccable behaviour.
>> | >>>
>> | >>> FWIW, I've supported Altopia for some time. I disagree
>> | >>> profoundly with the trolls and newsgroup wreckers who
>> | >>> want to drive other users off usenet or to reduce groups
>> | >>> to a smoking wasteland of cascades or kilobytes of
>> | >>> re-posed ASCII art. However I can't blame Chris Caputo
>> | >>> for that. It's the immature individuals concerned that
>> | >>> are the root of the problem and often their "opponents"
>> | >>> such as George G are in exactly the same boat.
>> | >>>
>> | >>> I've found that for genuine net abuse concerns Chris has
>> | >>> been unfailingly polite and helpful. Much more so than
>> | >>> say NTL or BT.
>> | >>
>> | >> The point is that Chris Caputo allows his trolling
>> | >> customers to nym-shift with impunity. That destroys
>> | >> newsgroups. If you don't like what I write, killfile me. I
>> | >> won't nym-shift to defeat the filter.
>> | >
>> | > If he started killing accounts for that, where would he
>> | > draw the line?  What about people using the word "fuck"?
>> |
>> | Did you pass the Altnet intelligence test too?
>>
>> Clearly by the responses you've given in this subject, you are
>> the only troll people have to worry about. With that said, you
>> are the person responsible for your own actions - Easynews is
>> not.
>
> Altopia sells itself as the NSP that allows its customers to nym-
> shift, Easynews does not. That is why nym-shifting trolls use
> Altopia and not Easynews or the other quality NSPs that offer
> better retention, completion and more gigs for less money.
>
>> A NSP is not responsible for the actions of it's customers,
>> anymore than a car marker is responsible for your bad driving.
>
> That's a poor analogy. Would your telephone provider knowingly
> allow you to make anonymous threatening calls? That is a better
> one.

It's nothing to do with the telephone provider.  If I make threatening calls, that's between me and the police.

>>  To apply your logic would be ridiculous.  You're no doubt the
>> same kind of idiot moron who sues the gun company because the
>> gun killed someone, or the cigarette company for getting
>> cancer after smoking their product for 20 years...
>
> My logic? I'm critisising Altopia's policy of allowing nym-shifting
> to troll. That is all.
>
>> A NSP provides you with a privledge of Usenet service, and
>> people have to abide by the TOS/AUP of that service.  If
>> Alt.net's AUP isn't in agreement with your definition of what
>> "works" for Usenet than perhaps you should find another hobby
>> to occupy your pitiful existence, since being a Usenet netcop
>> isn't working out as well as you would have hoped.
>
> Netcop! Ha! You're ASSuming stuff again.
>
>> Instead of trying to shift the blame for the
>> trolling/nymshifting trolls to the NSP/ISP's why don't you
>> quit your whining, stop feeding the nymshifting trolls, grow a
>> thicker set of skin, and learn how to filter properly.
>
> Please show me how to killfile a nym-shifting troll other than by
> the path.

There are many ways.  Look up regular expressions.  Or spot a common theme in their posts.

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Peter Hucker wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:19:24 -0000, George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote in
>> news:op.t8dwr4kd4buhsv@fx62:
>>
>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:31:03 -0000, George G
>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
>>>> news:1ie5uv1.krcdhztc02xzN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:
>>>>
>>>>> George G <invali@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Black Dragon <bd@nomail.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>> news:fs0h23$2gsq$1@bdhi.local:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > George G wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your
>>>>>> >> customers thanks to that policy.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > People who set cross posts to irrelevant newsgroups are
>>>>>> > far more responsible for noise on Usenet than a few nym
>>>>>> > shifters are. One of those people are in fact you.
>>>>>> > Congratulations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> uk.net.news.config is not an irrelevant newsgroup as many
>>>>>> NGs in the uk hierarchy have fallen victim to Altopia
>>>>>> trolls.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was completely irrelevant to your rant against an
>>>>> individual (Chris Caputo) and your post is most definitely
>>>>> off-topic here since it has nothing to do with the
>>>>> configuration of the uk hierarchy.
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't a rant, it was a statement of fact. Strictly
>>>> speaking it is probably off-topic; however, off-topic posts
>>>> account for a large proportion of unnc.
>>>>
>>>>> (Follow-ups set to altnet.general)
>>>>
>>>> Follow-ups reset. Anyone replying to this post can remove
>>>> unnc if they chose to.
>>>
>>> I propose the news server strips the "follow-up" header.  If
>>> you want to change the groups it goes to, then do so in the
>>> newsgroups header, people should not be able to post to one
>>> set, and have replies go elsewhere.  It's childish.
>>
>> Take it up with Steve Firth.
> 
> For some reason I can't see Steve's posts....

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ah <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote in
news:47f73b4e$0$13861$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com: 

> Peter Hucker wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:19:24 -0000, George G
>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: 
>> 
>>> "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote in
>>> news:op.t8dwr4kd4buhsv@fx62:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:31:03 -0000, George G
>>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
>>>>> news:1ie5uv1.krcdhztc02xzN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:
>>>>>
>>>>>> George G <invali@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Black Dragon <bd@nomail.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:fs0h23$2gsq$1@bdhi.local:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > George G wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by
>>>>>>> >> your customers thanks to that policy.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > People who set cross posts to irrelevant newsgroups
>>>>>>> > are far more responsible for noise on Usenet than a
>>>>>>> > few nym shifters are. One of those people are in fact
>>>>>>> > you. Congratulations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> uk.net.news.config is not an irrelevant newsgroup as
>>>>>>> many NGs in the uk hierarchy have fallen victim to
>>>>>>> Altopia trolls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was completely irrelevant to your rant against an
>>>>>> individual (Chris Caputo) and your post is most
>>>>>> definitely off-topic here since it has nothing to do with
>>>>>> the configuration of the uk hierarchy.
>>>>>
>>>>> It wasn't a rant, it was a statement of fact. Strictly
>>>>> speaking it is probably off-topic; however, off-topic
>>>>> posts account for a large proportion of unnc.
>>>>>
>>>>>> (Follow-ups set to altnet.general)
>>>>>
>>>>> Follow-ups reset. Anyone replying to this post can remove
>>>>> unnc if they chose to.
>>>>
>>>> I propose the news server strips the "follow-up" header. 
>>>> If you want to change the groups it goes to, then do so in
>>>> the newsgroups header, people should not be able to post to
>>>> one set, and have replies go elsewhere.  It's childish.
>>>
>>> Take it up with Steve Firth.
>> 
>> For some reason I can't see Steve's posts....
> 
> You have to be a member of the Inner Circle.

You have to be using a decent NSP.

On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:56:20 +0100, George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> ah <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:47f73b4e$0$13861$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com:
>
>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:19:24 -0000, George G
>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote in
>>>> news:op.t8dwr4kd4buhsv@fx62:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:31:03 -0000, George G
>>>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I propose the news server strips the "follow-up" header.
>>>>> If you want to change the groups it goes to, then do so in
>>>>> the newsgroups header, people should not be able to post to
>>>>> one set, and have replies go elsewhere.  It's childish.
>>>>
>>>> Take it up with Steve Firth.
>>>
>>> For some reason I can't see Steve's posts....
>>
>> You have to be a member of the Inner Circle.
>
> You have to be using a decent NSP.

What's the NSP to do with who I've killfiled?

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"Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote in
news:op.t9ighbk84buhsv@fx62: 

> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:56:20 +0100, George G
> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: 
> 
>> ah <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:47f73b4e$0$13861$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com:
>>
>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:19:24 -0000, George G
>>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:op.t8dwr4kd4buhsv@fx62:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:31:03 -0000, George G
>>>>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I propose the news server strips the "follow-up" header.
>>>>>> If you want to change the groups it goes to, then do so
>>>>>> in the newsgroups header, people should not be able to
>>>>>> post to one set, and have replies go elsewhere.  It's
>>>>>> childish. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Take it up with Steve Firth.
>>>>
>>>> For some reason I can't see Steve's posts....
>>>
>>> You have to be a member of the Inner Circle.
>>
>> You have to be using a decent NSP.
> 
> What's the NSP to do with who I've killfiled?
> 

You wrote for some reason you couldn't see his posts. It makes 
sense that you killfiled the twat though.

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:22:51 +0100, George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote in
> news:op.t9ighbk84buhsv@fx62:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:56:20 +0100, George G
>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> ah <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:47f73b4e$0$13861$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com:
>>>
>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:19:24 -0000, George G
>>>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For some reason I can't see Steve's posts....
>>>>
>>>> You have to be a member of the Inner Circle.
>>>
>>> You have to be using a decent NSP.
>>
>> What's the NSP to do with who I've killfiled?
>>
>
> You wrote for some reason you couldn't see his posts.

I was being funny.

> It makes sense that you killfiled the twat though.


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Freeze mother stickers, this is a fuck up!